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Spain to cooperate with Gibraltar on maritime law enforcement, ‘without affecting sovereignty’
Spain's Foreign Minister Miguel Ángel Moratinos recognised the need for cooperation with Gibraltar on maritime law enforcement in this area. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“ ... There are no Gibraltar waters, only Spanish waters,” he said....”
Oct 04th, 2010 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Which rather undermines his statement about co-operation. There are Gibraltar waters and this situation will get worse before it gets better!
Send in the Navy!
Not only send in the Navy, but have them anchored all around Gibraltar territorial waters, just inside the maritime “border”.
Oct 04th, 2010 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There are no Gibraltar waters, only Spanish waters,”
Oct 04th, 2010 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with that comment.
Don't know much about the law, do you? Typical South American bandit.
Oct 04th, 2010 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British piracy law? Yes I know about it.
Oct 04th, 2010 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, dimwit, international law on territorial waters. Something Argentina knows nothing about.
Oct 04th, 2010 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Send the Navy? Are you the sheriff Wink? Have you read this? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/8040404/David-Cameron-hints-aircraft-carrier-and-jet-fighters-could-be-axed.html
Oct 04th, 2010 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 7
Oct 04th, 2010 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats alright Spain is Skint aswell
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/10/04/spain-on-the-steps-of-the-argentine-crisis-of-2001-warns-stiglitz
@8
Oct 04th, 2010 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain is not Argentina
http://i46.tinypic.com/123sb6b.jpg
Spain is not Argentina
Oct 04th, 2010 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No sh*t sherlock
Wow, did you said spain-on-the-steps-of-the-argentine? Was not it so?
Oct 04th, 2010 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Spain may be entering the kind of death spiral that afflicted Argentina just a decade ago”
Oct 04th, 2010 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont shoot the messenger :-)
Now this would make a good case for the ICJ. Spain claims that the Treaty of Utrecht didn't include 'territorial waters' which is true as the legal concept of territorial waters did not exist in 1713. It developed later and the Gibraltarians claim that they get territorial waters along with everyone else.
Oct 05th, 2010 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0So ... it's purely a legal argument which makes it perfect for the ICJ.
Of course if Spain lost then Gibraltar would reconsider extending the 3 miles they currently claim towards the 12 that they are allowed. Hmmm.... wonder if Spain has the bottle ??
Of course Spain doesn't have the bottle. Navy to the Rock!!
Oct 05th, 2010 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hoyt, the ToU might not have included territorial waters, but it did not exclude them either (or airspace for that matter).
Oct 05th, 2010 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time to revive the British military plans to repulse Spanish incursions to the Rock?
Oct 05th, 2010 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time to return stolen land around the World and return home to UK?
Oct 05th, 2010 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 And how, exactly, does Spain differ from Argentina?
Oct 05th, 2010 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 You will no doubt begin by returning all the land you stole from the indigenous peoples of Central and South America. Oh, of course, I forgot. There are some who don't exist anymore because you wiped them out. As well as starting the slave trade, inventing concentration camps in Cuba, murdering tens of thousands of Argentine citizens, starting wars. Should I go on? I've got plenty left.
@18 hey mate! How many ships will be in the Algeciras Bay? Is for prepare the welcome Fiesta.
Oct 05th, 2010 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/armadaEspannola/buques_superficie/
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/armadaEspannola/buques_superficie/
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/armadaEspannola/buques_superficie/
@19
Oct 06th, 2010 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Point 1. I am not your “mate”. Consider my attitude toward you to be one of disgust heading toward hatred.
Point 2. I notice you haven't had the guts, the ability or the courtesy to even try to answer the points I put to you.
Point 3. I see your “nom de plume” translates as Hasdrubal the Beautiful or, as we would say in English, Hasdrubal the Pouf. Hasdrubal is a name that dates back to your ethnic origins, of course. North African.
Speak for your self Marcos Alejandro. Why don't you and your sort start by going back to Spain and returning the land you stole from the native South Americans...
Oct 06th, 2010 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0typicle spain/argentina, no difference, both yellow turning white.
Oct 06th, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0both think they can do whatever they like, both flout international law,
both have more mouth than the mersey tunnel, but this may or may not be true.,,but what is true is both fought us and lost, and both cant get over it, neither of them like us, they stay as far as poss, then slag us off, but niether has the guts or bottle, to back it up,as both would lose,
but you notice that argentina does not jump to the defence of spain, mmmm, because thats a hot potato, so do me a favour and jump back to south america , spain will do nothing, just like argentina, bannana republics [never learn]
The spanish are hypocrytes ... much as their descendants are !
Oct 07th, 2010 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=20178
19 Aresdribble, it's not the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog that counts ... as the argies know well!!
Oct 07th, 2010 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0the argies have lotts of mice it seems mmmmmmm
Oct 07th, 2010 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The treaty Utrecht stated that it was Gibraltars waters as far as a cannon ball could be fired from the fort.
Oct 08th, 2010 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately for the Spanish, they didn't quite specify what caliber the cannon needed to be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mons_Meg
Fortunately we know live in an age where territorial limits are determined not by how far we can fire a cannon ball, but by democracy, self-determination and where actual law applies.
Spain as most people know is on the verge of surrendering its claim, with the exception of a few officials such Miguel Ángel Moratinos who are under the delusion that territorial waters and territory which his government has no jurisdiction over and hasn't done so for 300 years are in fact Spanish Sovereign territory, a delusion replicated in a more extremist fashion by Argentina.
Here are a few bits of Number Crunching for Arse-dribble:
Number of Spanish citizens living in Gibraltar: 326
Number of Spanish citizens living in Gibraltar voting yes to transfer of sovereignty in 2002 referdum: 20
Number of British territories on the Iberian peninsula: 1
Number of US Bases+Installations on the Iberian peninsula: 4
Number of Spanish territories In North Africa: 8
Total Km2 of British territory on the Iberian Peninsula: 6.8km2
Total Km2 of US Bases on the Iberian peninsula: 18km2
Total Km2 of Spanish territories in North Africa: 31.84km2
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