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Falklands’ Governor Designate swearing in ceremony October 16th
The swearing in ceremony for Falkland Islands Governor Designate, Nigel Haywood CVO has been announced for Saturday October 16 and will be followed by a parade and a reception at Government House. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesQuestion to the real islanders: Don't you wish, honestly, that your Governor is at least a native of the islands?
Oct 06th, 2010 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you
I'm sure someday a Governor will be selected from the population, particularly as the population grows and the pool becomes larger.
Oct 06th, 2010 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Experience is needed however, and look at the fella's credentials - Ireland, Lebanon, Iraq and Israel - .... wow, all war zones. The man must be good at dealing with conflict :-)
Mr englishman, my question was directed to the islanders in South America, thank you.
Oct 06th, 2010 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Experience is needed ,Iraq” Iraq??? Good Lord.
Hey, you think you've got problems?
Oct 06th, 2010 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2010/gaspd451.doc.htm
Are you native to South America Marcos Alejandro? You name sounds very Spanish to me...
Oct 06th, 2010 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0They've never complained about it so far, and they do choose to be under the a part of the UK.
Oct 06th, 2010 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dont have a problem with it. They are British, I am British. As long as they understand that the power is with the Islanders, we will all get along without any problems. :-)
Oct 06th, 2010 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0It´s always refreshing to see democracy working..:)))
Oct 06th, 2010 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike Argentina.
Oct 06th, 2010 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 J.A. Roberts,“ Are you native to South America Marcos Alejandro? You name sounds very Spanish to me...”
Oct 06th, 2010 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I am and very proud of it. The origins of my name is irrelevant, if your parents would selected a chinese name for you that's not make you a chinese.
Democracy?, Do the islanders elect their governor or your queen in London does it for you?
typicle south american comment, clever but stupid,
Oct 06th, 2010 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but at least its a demacratic governor, unlike argentina,
they are british decent from british, better than spannish,
so south american opinion is not needed here, go back and cry argentina lololo
@10
Oct 06th, 2010 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a proud Argentine?
Why not a proud Falkland Islander?
Australia as a Governor-General,if you called a Aussie British you would get your teeth kicked in
Oh, so you're proud of your Spanish ancestors stealing all that land from the native South Americans Marcos Alejandro. I bet you are!
Oct 06th, 2010 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 010 Marcos Alejandro:
Oct 06th, 2010 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By your logic Canada, Australia and New Zealand must not be democratic either.
But, wait. These nations(as well as the islanders) choose to keep the queen and governor there, and isn't that what democracy is? Unless i am mistaken.
“Democracy is a political form of government in which governing power is derived from the people, either by direct referendum”
Oh yes, you are wrong.
I fear that there is little understanding of the concept of a democratic constitutional monarchy amongst the Argentines here ...... to be fair, it takes a 1000 years to develop one and they're hardly 200 yet :-)
Oct 06th, 2010 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 011 Briton, What is a “demacratic governor” clever but stupid.
Oct 06th, 2010 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 013 J.A. Roberts ,“Oh, so you're proud of your Spanish ancestors ” What?? My ancestors were here way before yours knew about the existing of the Americas. No Spanish blood here.
14 Zethee , Here is an interesting article that I read today:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Monarchy-incompatible-with-democracy/articleshow/6382495.cms
What's intresting about it?
Oct 07th, 2010 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0My first point still stands, your link only proves what i said in the first place.
It doesn't stop you from being wrong.
Zhethe, ”These nations(as well as the islanders) choose to keep the queen and governor there”, I think you are wrong, they don't have any choice.
Oct 07th, 2010 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes they do, any nation is free to have a referendum and cut ties to the monarch. Australia has already had two or three.
Oct 07th, 2010 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your last link was also incorrect, the queen costs the UK around 50-60 million a year, her crown estate makes around 140 million a year, which is all given back to the government.
15 Hoytred
Oct 07th, 2010 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0” I fear that there is little understanding of the concept of a democratic constitutional monarchy amongst the Argentines here ...... to be fair, it takes a 1000 years to develop one and they're hardly 200 yet :-)”
It took 1000 years to develop your Prince Charles, possible future King?
:-)
Marcos - an excellent example in fact. Prince Charles comes from a long line of princes who sit around waiting for the reigning monarch to die so that they can take over. In the modern world this tends to mean that a long reign is followed by a short reign. In either case they are not involved in the day to day running of the State but occupy a figure head position. As you should know, by design a figurhead is placed a long way from the rudder!
Oct 07th, 2010 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0And of course, if there's a non-politician Head of State then there an immediate advantage ..... one less bloody politician!
Another 800 years and maybe you'll figure it out :-)
“No Spanish blood here.” We'll just have to take your word for that Marcos, but considering more than 90% of Argentines are of immigrant ancestry I think it's unlikely.
Oct 07th, 2010 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 021 Hoytred “Another 800 years and maybe you'll figure it out ”
Oct 07th, 2010 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It takes a few minutes to figure it out. Monarchy is an obsolete political
system.
This is supposed to be the 21st century, yet you still have (in the UK) a non-democratic system which belongs to the history books and fairy tales. While you continue to hand power to a single family, your country will remain a backward rather than progressive one.
Foolish child ...... :-)
Oct 07th, 2010 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yet you still have (in the UK) a non-democratic system
Oct 07th, 2010 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what like the Junta? Cant see her Majesty and Phil throwing fellow brits out of helicopters into the Thames Estuary
your country will remain a backward rather than progressive one.
please,you argies are too modest you are much better than us
“It takes a few minutes to figure it out. Monarchy is an obsolete political
Oct 07th, 2010 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0system.”
And it takes someone really stupid to realise that it's not a political system anymore. It's tradition.
”This is supposed to be the 21st century, yet you still have (in the UK) a non-democratic system“
You really should read what democracy is before you say stuff like this, you only make yourself look really stupid.
As the majority of the population wants to keep the queen, it is infact democratic.
”While you continue to hand power to a single family, your country will remain a backward rather than progressive one.“
The queen does not ”rule” us, she is a figurehead. The current leader of the UK is Mr Cameron.
I'd also like to point out before i forget, that you say we don't have democracy yet in the(last) democracy Index 2008, the UK was identified as a “Full democracy”. Yet Argentina was labeled a “Flawed democracy”.
Oct 07th, 2010 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Marcos Ale, Argentina, a republic since it's foundation with a constitution written down in a single document and even still you could not stop yourselves from throwing your own countrymen, alive, out of aircraft into the the Atlantic. I'd rather live in a monarchy any day.
Oct 07th, 2010 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 028 J.A. Roberts , That happen during a self elected criminal government backed by the americans. Do you want me to list the atrocities commited by your monarchy all around the planet?. Believe me is a long one and the deads are in the millions.
Oct 07th, 2010 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And he could do so while avoiding the issues he's been proven wrong on. Over and over again.
Oct 07th, 2010 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That happen during a self elected criminal government backed by the americans
Oct 07th, 2010 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That just happend to get thousands of Argies cheering them in April 1982
“No citizen should be obliged to swear allegiance to an hereditary ruler to become a member of the legislature. No citizen should have to tolerate the hand of an hereditary ruler, no matter how light the touch, on the democratic process. No citizen should have their money taken from their pocket to pay to dress, feed, transport or entertain the arrogant scoundrels who call themselves ”royal.“ No citizen should be asked to stand for a national anthem that begins ”God Save the Queen.”
Oct 07th, 2010 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.centreforcitizenship.org/familb.html
Yawn. Marcos. Anyone is perfectly entitled to stand for parliament in the UK on a republican ticket. We're there any support for a republic we would have got rid of the constitutional monarchy by now. Here, you can even sign up if you like:
Oct 07th, 2010 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.republic.org.uk/
Anyway, Like I said before Argentina being a republic didn't stop you chucking your own people, alive, out of the back of C130s into the cold Atlantic.
All very democratic
Oct 07th, 2010 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Revolution
From looking at the frontpage of that website J.A. We can easily tell that theres not much intrest in becoming a republic.
Oct 07th, 2010 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 04,263 members.
UK's population - 62,041,708.
Try criticising the Argentine system, which with the power focused in the president to rule by decree is flawed indeed. You can expect to be shouted down. Yet they feel empowered to criticise our system, on the most flawed and ignorant of grounds.
Oct 07th, 2010 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cue our resident apologist to dive in with his usual recourse of personal abuse to distract.
Today i note the mood of the British people, , about the British/argentine conflict, how they perceive this leading to another war, it seems the Argentina government playing its little games with embargos, restrictions/getting support from the Americas, blockading ect ect, could and may very well backfire, on Argentina and lead directly to war, that may end argentines standing in the world for good, and lead to a possible break up of Argentina into little states, the word id don’t tease the cobra or you will get very severely bitten, [savvy]
Oct 07th, 2010 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see that once again, Gibraltar is challenging Spain to take it's sovereignty case to the ICJ. Spain refuses. Must be a spanish thing, passed on in the genes ?? :-)
Oct 07th, 2010 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Marcos Alejandro
Oct 08th, 2010 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t waste your time trying to explain to the Brits what is obvious for us especially talking about democracy. They never tasted that, UK is still a kingdom with a monarch as a head of estate.
Their can only experience a relative mental freedom in the “Speakers' Corner” by using a chair to avoid to touch British soil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Speakers_Corner_London_-_a_speaker.JPG
About names, assuming that Marcos Alejandro is from Spanish origin is very silly as he cans be Marcos Alejandro Krauss or Filippi or Smith.
Should we assume that Elisabeth II is Jewish for her name?
Or that Mr. Roberts is Spanish for his surname? The Roberts also Robert went from Spain to England, Scotland, Wells, etc.
Here your Spanish coat of arms Don Roberts the Spanish Brit wannabe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Speakers_Corner_London_-_a_speaker.JPGo/imgllibre/robert_-_serradedaro10.jpg
And here the root of your origins I hope you enjoy it very much as I have done. As seems you are more Spanish than Zapatero. : )
Coat of arms and heraldry of family name Roberts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Speakers_Corner_London_-_a_speaker.JPG
Hey, NicebutDim's back ....... but not learnt much it would seem :-)
Oct 08th, 2010 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kiddo, I rather have our constitutional monarchy anytime compared to your 2nd rate Banana Republic...... and I'm told that you can't even grow bananas
”23 Marcos Alejandro (#)
Oct 08th, 2010 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0While you continue to hand power to a single family, your country will remain a backward rather than progressive one.”
That would be Nestor 'the Nose' Kirchner and his sock puppet I guess?
More “intelligence” from NicoDimwit.
Oct 08th, 2010 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0People stand on chairs at Speakers corner so that they can be better seen and heard.
And coats of arms are personal, there is no such thing as a family coat of arms. Idiot!
@Hoytred
Oct 08th, 2010 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey hello Mr. subordinate subject of the House of Windsor AKA Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha.
Of course you prefer your monarchy, slave mentally people always love their masters else what would you do without someone telling you what to do?
The day you grow up may be you will become more civilized and may be you understand what a real division of power is about. Where the people are the sovereign and not a rotten dictator like your Queen.
Nothing personal mate : )
At least in ancient Rome dictator confirmed by the comitia curiata last for 6 months while in UKI is for life.
Banana Republic?
Do you mean these kinds of nations that send its lads to fight wars for US?
Or may be these nations that drag its citizens to poverty while protecting foreigner and send their citizens abroad to find a job?
Perhaps you are talking about these nations that tell its citizen that are living in a democracy when they really are a monarchy?
Or those nations that make think their citizens that have independent information while is controlled by 2 broadcastings like BBC and Rupert Murdoch crap media?
Yeah you are right Mr Hoytred there are a lot of Bananas Republics out there specially in northern Europe enclosed into a little island called UK.
Lets see if Mr. David Cameroni will avoid UKI collapse else we will provide you with free bananas Mr. Rafael Correa will make us a good price, don’t worry you don’t have to thank us. We are like this always generous. : )
@Julian Alberto Roberts
Can you see you have the Spanish temper in your blood you first insult and then think typical latin reaction. I’ve pasted the title and the link from the web page mate.
May be your Gallego (Spanish from Galicia) cousin was wrong I don’t know and I don’t care either.
And you still are more Spanish than Zapatero or Shoemaker or Schumacher if you like.
So Spanish Roberts return to Gallaecia (northern Spain) you are not even native of the Roman Province of Magna Bretagna such a shame mate.
The day you grow up may be you will become more civilized
Oct 08th, 2010 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESMA
Like you
NiceButDim .... hey, nothing personal. You don't need me to demostrate your stupidity, you do so yourself with every line.
Oct 08th, 2010 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0A question. The Queen of England is also the Queen of ..... ??
When you've managed to identify all the countries that she's Queen of, then try and check out their GDP's.
2nd rate Banana Republic ....... South America is the place for them!
Nothing personal .. mate :-)
The day you grow up may be you will become more civilized
Oct 08th, 2010 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The parrilla was used in a number of countries in South America, including Argentina during the dirty war in the 1970s and 80s
The victim was stripped totally naked, then lain on his or her back on a metal frame, often a bed-frame. Straps were used to restrain the victim in a position convenient for torture, with legs spread and arms either above the head or away from the sides of the body. The straps were tightened to prevent movement.
Electricity was drawn from a standard wall socket and fed through a control box to the victim by two wires terminating in electrodes. The control on the box allowed the torturers to adjust the voltage and thus the severity of the electric shocks.
Even more “intelligence” from NicoDimtwit.
Oct 08th, 2010 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0A Gallego is nothing more than a “spanish from Galicia”. Tell that to a Gallego and see how far you get...
Let me just remind you that a coat of arms is personal. Only one coat of arms can belong to one person. There is no such thing a s a family coat of arms. No such thing as a “Roberts” coat of arms.
Nico, do you even know what Democracy is? We choose to keep the monarch - thats democracy.
Oct 08th, 2010 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ofcourse you are welcome to your oppinion, warped as it is. But i will point out again that every five years the Economist Intelligence Unit release a list of the worlds democratic nations. United Kingdom is a “Full democracy” while Argentina is a Flawed democracy.
Furthermore, The UK is one of the oldest running democracys in the world, with the longest running parliament. The UK becoming democratic at the act of union a full 100 years before argentina was even a nation.
@Zethee
Oct 08th, 2010 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Zethee I thought you were more intelligent than the average here but I can be wrong. Do I?
The list of the Economist Intelligence Unit is like the list of the Kremlin during the Vladimir Lenin era showing the progress Marxism in the world.
The Economist, FT, etc are part of the conglomerate of Sir Evelyn Robert Rothschild (the Red Shield family better known as the Bauer family in Germany) they will list Zimbabwe as the best democracy in the world if they can get a good profit.
And UK has being since the middle age the place what have provided more profit to the Rothschild oligarch family. What are they going to say? They own your lovely UKI in financial terms.
They were financing Britain and Napoleon at the same time especially during the battle of Waterloo.
The history says that Nathan Rotschild made a big fortune financing both parties on expenses of the silly Brits. When his messenger told him that the British won the Battle he started to sell his brits assets. The brits investors knowing his reputation as a master of finances thought that Britain lost the battle and creating a big panic to the low his was buying his a other investor assets by pennies.
Its not amazing how can you scam the silly brits? Haha
And you are not as we understand in the west a full democracy of something similar you are a parliamentary monarchy what is other thing close to Cuba style. They also can vote in cuba but they have to ask a permit to leave Cuba. You on the other hand have to make a permanent resident test to enter again and gain full right if were outside Britain for more than 3 month I think. Haha
“I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.”
The oath that the representatives of the British people are required to swear if they are to take their seats in the legislature
May be we call this democrappy?
Its not amazing how can you scam the silly brits? Haha
Oct 08th, 2010 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roca-Runciman_Treaty
You argies bent over for the silly Brits:-)
“ ... You on the other hand have to make a permanent resident test to enter again and gain full right if were outside Britain for more than 3 month I think ....”
Oct 08th, 2010 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really .... ! I live outside the UK for most of the year but I have no problem going back. Talking through your arse as normal NicebutDim.
You also have a skewed view of history, but that's an Argentine trait apparently. Still no matter. We remain GREAT Britain whilst you are a petty republic. Chances of Argentina making 1000 years of progressive history are remote. But you'll never have a monarchy ... if only because you'll struggle to get the Kirchners out ;-)
We understand democracy rather better than ... we helped develop the concept. You are just a johnny-cum-lately. Noot much past, no great presence, little future ... viva little argentina :-)
I can't recall getting delayed indefinitely for a British passport and applying for permanent residency being born and living abroad for well over a decade.
Oct 08th, 2010 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or indeed getting asked to apply for permanent residency status after 8 months abroad on ones gap yah left via Edinburgh and returned via Rosyth .... immigration officials must have been slack.
In fact does anybody here from HM's armed forces recall being asked to reapply for permanent residency status after their 6 moths?
“And you are not as we understand in the west a full democracy of something similar you are a parliamentary monarchy what is other thing close to Cuba style. ”
Oct 08th, 2010 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have a monarch, yes. Having a monarch is not the opposite to democracy. Our title is constitutional monarchy, this does not mean that we are not a Democracy.
For example, North korea is dictatorship, yet the official title of the country is “Democratic People's Republic of Korea”.
Democracy in england(before the union) was not an instant thing like in the US and Argentina, it built slowly over many centurys, starting as far back as the 1400's.
It is a bit rich coming from an Argentinian about democracy, you would do well to remember that you have only had democracy for a few years and in turn we are partly to blame for it, Argentina is not even a “matrue democracy” yet, you have a long way to come.
If the UK is not a Democracy then by that logic neither is Australia or Canada and they must still be our colonly's, right? because the queen is head of state.
Get a grip nico. It's tradition, we are a very old nation and have many, many old traditions and even strange laws(Theres one law i read from the 1500's where it's still legal to shoot a welshman after dark with a longbow if you are in cheltenham.)
“You on the other hand have to make a permanent resident test to enter again and gain full right if were outside Britain for more than 3 month I think. Haha”
My granpairents live at the moment in limoges, france. They come back often two or three times a year and NEVER have to take any test or anything, I KNOW for an absolute fact that you are a lier.
I know this because my grandad is currently staying with me and i just asked him.
@Hoytred
Oct 08th, 2010 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its was a Irony referring to the HRT (Habitual Residence Test)?
http://www.multikulti.org.uk/en/immigration/habitual-residence-test-and-right-to-reside/index.html
If a poor brit has to return back to GB he cannot claim any benefit 2nd class citizen I should say.
You are not English certainly coz has a problem catching up things.
Everyone knows that to enter into UKI you only need a funy ting in your head is quite easy to enter see around your neighborhood
@Zethee
I don’t know for you but democracy means the rule of the people or ruling by the people (greek demos and Kratos).
Any normal citizen can rise to power and have equals opportunities the rich and the poor. Now if you have a monarchy you are not a democracy you are a monarchy its is quite obvious I don’t have to explain this to an American because their are democracy. What you have is a Parliamentary Monarchy you don’t have even a written constitution to be any constitutional thing.
You say “North korea is dictatorship” well try to explain this to a North Korean and you will experiment the same sentiment as me when telling Brits that they are not a democracy. Is the same case like Cuba, like China, Spain, etc. Funny names that fix the monarch or dictator existence but nothing like a democracy.
Voting and electing is not equal to democracy.
As I said before Cuban start to vote at 16 years old they can elect representatives, Fidel Castro is a figurative emblematic figure loved by the Cubans like their father he only give advice and care for the people. like your queen Cubans feels very democratic and the populus is the paramount.
So tell me why you call Cuba and Nkorea dictatorships and not Britain?
you are far away of what is a democracy, And to have a democracy like Argentina you will need another 200 years. to civilize your oligarchy, bourgeoisie and other powers. So stay with your medieval system as long as you can instead of doing classes of democracy, you have a lot to learn first.
”I don’t know for you but democracy means the rule of the people or ruling by the people (greek demos and Kratos).
Oct 08th, 2010 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, and the people of this nation choose to keep the Monarch. thats democracy, the power of choise.
“you don’t have even a written constitution to be any constitutional thing.”
Having a unwritten constitution is a nonissue, we have a constitution, it's just not on paper in a fancy box in a museium. Big deal.
“Any normal citizen can rise to power and have equals opportunities the rich and the poor.”
Like they can in this nation, the prime minister has the power. Fruthermore it's illegal for a member of the royal family to become prime minister, so a “Royal” can not gain power.
“ Now if you have a monarchy you are not a democracy you are a monarchy its is quite obvious I don’t have to explain this to an American because their are democracy. ”
Ok, so what you are saying is that the UK, Austrailia Canada and New Zeland - None of these nations are Democracys?
Each one of these nations have there own political leaders and the queen makes no decision in any of them.
Each nation has chosen to keep the queen as there head of state.
Now, you yourself just told me that democracy is the “rule of the people”. If the people choose to keep the monarch, how is that not Democratic?
Explain please.
Before you comment on the constitution again i would just like to point out something i forgot.
Oct 08th, 2010 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK has a constitution, it is just not signed on a single parchment: this is because unlike most nations our laws have evolved over 1000 years and there has simply been no need for us to make it written. Rather than a single written constiution we have acts of parliment.
If you wish to learn more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom
Yup, and a constitution written on a single piece of paper didn't stop decades of dictatorship in Argentina, nor did it stop Argentina throwing its own citizens out of the back of aircraft into the Atlantic ocean...
Oct 08th, 2010 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What most uninformed people don't realise is that the UK's constitution is infact written, it's just not written on one peice of paper, the whole “unwritten constitution” is a misnomer.
Oct 08th, 2010 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@54 NicebutDim. Why, in God's name, would any intelligent people want to have democracy like Argentina?
Oct 08th, 2010 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's a thought. Your president issues decrees, doesn't she/he/it? Neither our Queen nor our Prime Minister does that. You dozy schmucks have a facade. That's all.
These factors have pointed to a deep institutional crisis within Argentina: -
Oct 08th, 2010 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While elections are generally free and fair and the country has a thriving free press, democracy has yet to be consolidated. The political system has been undermined by corruption and abuses, giving rise to a deep-seated distrust of politicians, courts and institutions. For many, the country's difficulties can be simply explained in terms of the venality of its leaders. The poor example set by the elite is cited as a reason for the high level of tax evasion, itself an important factor in the crisis in the public finances. Disillusionment cuts across parties: at mid-term congressional elections in October 2001, one-quarter of the electorate failed to carry out their legal duty to vote, while of those who did, just over one-fifth spoilt their ballots. (Strategic Comments 2002
@Zethee
Oct 08th, 2010 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Yes, and the people of this nation choose to keep the Monarch”
No the monarch has the right to stay there as it is his/her prerogative and cans dissolve the entire Parliament if her/his wishes to do so. What choice are you talking about?
“Having a unwritten constitution is a nonissue, we have a constitution”
Well a have a bill note of 10 trillions dollars but is not written can you give some Quids in advanced? Not big deal mate.
“Like they can in this nation, the prime minister has the power...” nope they cannot be the head of the stated they have to swear loyalty to the crown. See it again
“I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.” Else not seat for your PM.
“Now, you yourself just told me that democracy is the “rule of the people”. If the people choose to keep the monarch, how is that not Democratic?”
And if the people of Cuba want Fidel Castro and its descendents for life or if NK wants Kim Il-sung as the Eternal president or if they want to be ruled by militaries how that is not also democratic?
Can you explain that?
Your democratic concept is close to those countries and fix to any dictatorship. Change the name UK for Cuba, the English lang for Spanish and you will find the similarities.
Zethee come on you seem Marx trying to convince Adam Smith that he was a fervent capitalist.
Look how happy are Americans living in Cuba they don’t miss US at all http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/americas/9805/04/cuba.us.citizen/#2
I think that in NK is the same so why you call them Dictatorships when you are living in the same king of political system?
@ Julian Alberto Roberts
You are wrong we chose as Zethee and you to have our own kings to experience your system but didn’t work. you should know better than us
You are still in the mess.
http://www.worldaudit.org/countries/argentina.htm
Oct 08th, 2010 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nico, you totally ignored all of the valid points i made in my post and just repeated what you said in your last post.
Oct 08th, 2010 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't like to insult people but it's really hard not to when a person act's like a child.
You asked me loads of questions, i answered them all(even through you ignored all of my points).
I asked you one question, which you totally ignored, so i will repeat. If democracy is the will of the people, and the peoples “will” is to keep the queen, how is that not democratic?
This site needs an edit button, because i keep forgetting stuff to mention.
Oct 08th, 2010 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You Argentinians keep mentioning how much of a state the US and UK are in, yet if there was ever a crisis, like a national disaster or an invasion of some sort the first nations to help(even argentina) would be the US and UK.
You mentioned how our form of democracy(or law) is medieval, and it is, most of the old british empire colonys got our law system, you would do well to note while ours is medieval. The rest of the worlds is based on an ancient system from rome.
“ ... No the monarch has the right to stay there as it is his/her prerogative and cans dissolve the entire Parliament if her/his wishes to do so. What choice are you talking about ....”
Oct 08th, 2010 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regicide ..... we've employed it before :-)
Now we have our monarchy under control ..... do you have the Kitchners under control?
Sep 26 2010 LONDON: In comments that can rake up yet another controversy, Indian-origin author Salman Rushdie has termed the British monarchy and its traditions as “stupid” and “archaic”.
Oct 09th, 2010 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0The brilliant author, winner of the 'Booker of the Bookers', who has a penchant for controversy said in an interview to The Sunday Times: “The monarchy and its traditions are archaic.. stupid... a British oddity”.
Salman Rushdie is no stranger to stirring up controversy, it's how he makes his living. So he thinks “The monarchy and its traditions are archaic.. stupid... a British oddity”....yeah? what of it? he can say and think what he likes in Britain, no one's going to throw him out of a plane for it, freedom of speech and all that.
Oct 09th, 2010 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another man with abook to sell ... you Argies do know how to find your sources eh ? :-)
Oct 09th, 2010 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Zethee
Oct 09th, 2010 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear friend I didn’t ignore your questions as you said read what I wrote again and you will find the obvious answer. Just in case the direct answer is:
Everything is relative and subject to different interpretation depending of culture, indoctrination, etc.
You see UK as solid democracy while others see a ditactorship. The same way as you see North Korea or Cuba.
So let them in peace to have the system and the govt they like to have or they can afford to have. UK or any other are not better of to lecture them and UK cannot lecture Argentina in anything but English.
“like a national disaster or an invasion of some sort the first nations to help(even argentina) would be the US and UK”
Let me see if I understood your sentence. You think that US and UK will help Argentina? Are you joking?
I know that we helped you waving 1bn pounds, during the war we allowed UK to use us to sell food to the German while you were fighting them, accepting UK nationals in the hard times. And even 4.000 volunteer went to fight in favour of Britain or course others were to fight for Germany but life is like this. Haha
How Argentines helped British win war http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4425035.stm to be honest the title is very exaggerated but press is like this.
So can you tell me when happened Britain or US helped Argentina?
Are UK/Us going to help us like after the WWII or like in 2001? Don’t worry we will commit mass suicide first.
UK and US rulers only cause disaster worldwide but its not the UK/US citizen fault we understand that is the rotten ruling class that are ruining even both countries.
Generosity is not the best UK/US skill of your rulers you should be aware of that.
They don’t care even about you.
If you feel depressed without future you can joint someone of your expats living here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4425035.stm
: )
Quote, NicoDin:
Oct 09th, 2010 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“So let them in peace to have the system and the govt they like to have or they can afford to have.”
Fine sentiment NicoDin, when are you going to start looking at the Falkland Islanders that way?
So can you tell me when happened Britain or US helped Argentina
Oct 09th, 2010 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands capital Stanley was retaken by the British forces in June 1982, and within days General Galtieri was removed from power. He spent the next 18 months at a well-protected country retreat while democracy was restored to Argentina.
Quote, NicoDin:
Oct 09th, 2010 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“UK and US rulers only cause disaster worldwide but its not the UK/US citizen fault we understand that is the rotten ruling class that are ruining even both countries.”
Rotten ruling class???? you've got the KIRCHNERS ffs!
PMSL!
“You are wrong we chose as Zethee and you to have our own kings to experience your system but didn’t work. you should know better than us
Oct 09th, 2010 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are still in the mess.”
WTF? In English next time please NicoDimtwit...
@WestisBest
Oct 09th, 2010 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Points of view as I said before
Did the Kirchners invaded Afghanistan? Nope US/UK dynamic Duo done it
Did the Kirchners invaded Iraq? Nope US/US dynamic Duo done it
Did the Kirchners killed more than 1 million people and counting for oil? Nope US/US dynamic Duo done it
Did the Kirchners start the financial crisis? Nope US/US dynamic Duo done it
Did the Kirchners start currency war? Nope US/US dynamic Duo done it
Will the Kirchners start the new worldwide economic war? Nope US done along.
And I’m being generous because the list is very long look how many disasters just in few recent years.
Come on the K will deserve the novel prize after all Obama got one. Its not amazing?
Ks writing a novel?
Oct 09th, 2010 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! that must be another decree then!
Clowns!
“You see UK as solid democracy while others see a ditactorship”
Oct 09th, 2010 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, just you. The rest of the world can see the UK for what it is: A democratic nation with an elected leader(david cameron) and a monarch as a tradition.
“And even 4.000 volunteer went to fight in favour of Britain”
Seriously, 4000? mate, no offence and im glad they did come but 4,000 men was nothing during ww2 when other nations were sending millions of men.
“Did the Kirchners invaded Afghanistan? Nope US/UK dynamic Duo done it”
I don't disagree with the Afghan war at all in any way shape or form, i was on that underground train when it blew up and if i could i'd be out there myself.
@NicoDin
Oct 09th, 2010 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting outlook, now how about some realpolitik: The US and the UK are big players, they are winners. Right or wrong you don't get to be a winner without trampling on losers...it's harsh and distasteful but that's the way the world works.
If Argentina (et al) had that sort of clout, an impossibility of course, do you really think everything would be rosy?
@NicoDin. Nicholas, the UK is a constitutional monarchy. the Queen is really a figurehead with very little power. it is tradition more than anything else. people in Britain vote for the Prime Minister's(President) political party.the laws are made by the Parliment(Congress). If the people don't like the political party in power then they vote them out. A similar type of government exists in othe constitutional monarchies such as Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands & Belgium. not sure about Japan, but l believe it is similar.l agree that we should never have gone into lraq. Saddam was nothing to do with al quaida(however you spell it!).& his propaganda re WMD worked only too well. we all believed it. anyway Nico, being a republic does not guarantee you having a democracy.lran calls itself an“ Republic” yet still stones women to death for unproved adultery.l have lived in lndonesia yet step out of line there and you will soon find yourself without your head.l am sure that these sort of things do not happen in the countries that l mentioned. So you see the UK doesn't need to be a republic for the people to live a better life than the people of Argentina had under the military dictatorship. As other people have said, do you think it was democratic to murder your own citizens?(30,000 l think).
Oct 09th, 2010 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@74 NicebutDim
Oct 09th, 2010 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Did the Kirchners invaded Afghanistan? Nope US/UK dynamic Duo done it
Did the Kirchners invaded Iraq? Nope US/US dynamic Duo done it
Did the Kirchners killed more than 1 million people and counting for oil? Nope US/US dynamic Duo done it
Did the Kirchners start the financial crisis? Nope US/US dynamic Duo done it
Did the Kirchners start currency war? Nope US/US dynamic Duo done it
Will the Kirchners start the new worldwide economic war? Nope US done along.”
Let's respond to those points.
The first 3. No, Argentina didn't go. Although Honduras, Dominican Republic and Nicaragua did. Suggesting that Argentina just didn't have the balls! But then surrender is always what Argentina has done best.
For the remaining 3? You have proof of course. Incontrovertible, indisputable proof? Thought not. It's just your bile.
But this one,
“Are UK/Us going to help us like after the WWII or like in 2001? Don’t worry we will commit mass suicide first.”
I like.
We're coming to help you!
UK and US rulers only cause disaster worldwide
Oct 09th, 2010 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/01/development-international-aid-and-development
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/01/development-international-aid-and-development
I still think it's nuts how we still give Aid to china when they have both a bigger economy and larger military budget.
Oct 09th, 2010 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0could be worse, we couldhave given it to argentina,
Oct 09th, 2010 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@WestisBest
Oct 10th, 2010 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The US and the UK are big players, they are winners????? Do you mean football or polo?
Clout? Where?
@ lsolde
“People of Argentina had under the military dictatorship... you think it was democratic to murder your own citizens”
And how do you call all those Irish (just an example) tortured, killed, imprisoned, etc. by her majesty the queen by her militaries in Northern Ireland for example? And was like this until 1998.
Northern Ireland is part of UK so you were killing your own people like the military dictatorship here. Bloody, bloody Sunday... remember? So the were democratic as you.
The queen is still there, the military dictatorships here don’t.
@ Typhoon
“But then surrender is always what Argentina has done best”
No so good like UK.
I have pictures of UK surrendering 3 times in Buenos Aires and nearby, we need to surrender 2 times more to equal UK’s coward record.
@ briton
We don’t need it thanks. You need it more to pay back your 11 trillions Dollar debt.
And how do you call all those Irish (just an example) tortured, killed, imprisoned, etc.
Oct 10th, 2010 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 03,000 people were killed in 30 years of troubles
Provisional IRA was responsible for the deaths of 1,824 people
About 120 Provisional IRA members caused their own deaths. Nine IRA members died on hunger strike. Another hundred or so were killed by their own explosives in premature bombing accidents - 103 deaths according to CAIN, 105 according to an RUC report of 1993.[129] Lost Lives gives a figure of 163 killings of republican paramilitary members (this includes bombing accidents and feuds with republicans from other organisations).[104] Of the remaining 200 or so IRA dead, around 150 were killed by the British Army, with the remainder killed by loyalist paramilitaries, the RUC and the UDR
1976 - 1983 argie dirty war Casualty counts from this war range from 10,000 to 30,000 people
http://www.yendor.com/vanished/
http://www.yendor.com/vanished/
we aint in your leauge Nicotine
Nicodin, seriously. You can not even compare bloody sunday to the dirty war, it's not even in the same league.
Oct 10th, 2010 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody sunday 13 people died. The dirty war between 10,000 - 30,000 people died.
anyway, argentina has a more bloody history that the uk.
Oct 10th, 2010 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so nothings new then
86 briton “anyway, argentina has a more bloody history that the uk.
Oct 10th, 2010 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so nothings new then” what??? Stop drinking and read your own history books.
On this point i have to agree with Marcos.
Oct 11th, 2010 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0England has the bloodiest history of any nation in the world, i wont deny that fact, we've also been involved in more wars than any other nation in the world.
We can't shy away from our history, what we can do now is stand up for democracy as we are currently doing.
“ .. England has the bloodiest history of any nation in the world ...”
Oct 11th, 2010 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Love to see your evidence for that statement Zethee! I understand that the top 2 bloodiest conflicts in history were WWII and WWI although the British were only one of many countries fighting.
In 3rd place is, I think, the Russian Civil War with 20 million dead and in 4th place is the Thirty Years War with 9 million dead, but once again we were only one of a number of countries involved. Althoigh, not actually a formal war, but the Taiping Rebellion is believed to have cost another 20 million lives.
Much of our Empire was obtained with guil as well as displays of force, actual numbers dead are rather more difficult to pin down. Certainly during the 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th centuries all the major powers were as bloody, if not bloodier, than Britain.
I'm not even certain that we've been involved in more wars than any other nation.
The Anglo-Zanzibar war, also known as the world’s shortest war, was over in under 45 minutes. The exact length of time is actually debatable – some had put it as short as 38 minutes – anyways, it was a very, very short war.
Oct 11th, 2010 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Oct 11th, 2010 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0But Jorgy boy ... in the Falkland Islands we ARE home :-)
Oct 11th, 2010 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0A compelling and persuasive argument Jorge but......Nah, we'll stay put I think, Up yours!
Oct 11th, 2010 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0PIRATES go home !
Oct 11th, 2010 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@83 NicebutDim. Do you people have some trouble with history?
Oct 11th, 2010 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 01833. British forces arrive. South American garrison, already in mutiny, surrenders.
@91 JorgeARG. Are you another incarnation of the infamous jorge!? In any case, go home Spanish murderers!
@94 nitro.. Go home Spanish murderer!
25 May 1982. Argentine forces on South Georgia surrender.
29 May 1982. Argentine forces at Goose Green surrender.
15 June 1982. Argentine forces at Stanley surrender.
I make that 4 surrenders just against the British. Should I do some more research?
Go on home British soldiers go on home,
Oct 11th, 2010 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you got no f*cking homes of your own?
For eight hundred years we've fought you without fear
And we will fight you for eight hundred more.
Apparently not all
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-180324/IRA-rocked-double-agent-revelation.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-180324/IRA-rocked-double-agent-revelation.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-180324/IRA-rocked-double-agent-revelation.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-180324/IRA-rocked-double-agent-revelation.html
still the IRA put up a better show than the Argies
88 Zethee “ England has the bloodiest history of any nation in the world, i wont deny that fact, we've also been involved in more wars than any other nation in the world”
Oct 11th, 2010 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We disagree about Malvinas, however I appreciate your honesty.
Juan Alberto Velasquez aka Nitrojuan. Isn't Velasquez a Spanish surname. Hardly Fuegan... When will you be going home to Spain?
Oct 11th, 2010 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0like i said argentina like all dictatorships where thousands go missing..
Oct 11th, 2010 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but even today it is still an agressive country. Al it wants is war, the trouble is, when war comes it complains when it loses,
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91 JorgeARG
sadly in this day and age, there is always some idiot who spoils it for the rest of us, [the dead out number the living] and you like the rest of us will soon loin them. so do me and the rest of us a favour and go play on the railroad
The Falklands Islands are British - Get Used To It ! ( well, I felt I had to add something :-)
Oct 11th, 2010 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tuesday morning,yep, the Falklands are still not Argentine
Oct 12th, 2010 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0poor old nicodin, he or she can't win. l tried to explain how Britain's government works and then pointed out how 30,000 citizens were “disposed of”& why the people of the Falklands(quite rightly)will have nothing to do with Argentina. thank you Zethee & others for pointing out for example 13 killed on “bloody sunday”versus up to 30,000 killed in Argentina. l have tried to be fair in argueing with the Argentineans re the Falklands but l now realise that the ones who post on here are just stupid. they can't think for themselves but just repeat lie after lie of state propaganda & every so often give way to insults(e.g. brainless jorgalita).even if all this guff is true about what the British did 150 years ago,(l said“lf”) so what? that has got NOTHING to do with the Argentineans RIDICULOUS CLAIM to the Falklands. get it through your silly heads,you do NOT own the Falklands & NEVER owned them. just go away and fix your own country. you are starting to become annoying.
Oct 12th, 2010 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@lsolde
Oct 12th, 2010 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 01- “they can't think for themselves but just repeat lie after lie of state propaganda”
You think that Britain is a democracy and that Malvinas are Britsyou you have to have a lot of indoctrination from Kinder Garden to believe that.
You seem a religious extremist angry because someone told you that god doesn’t exist.
Well I don’t believe in fairy tales and you?
We have different point of view about what is UK that’s all. And what is more similar to the Utopia called democracy.
2- “every so often give way to insults”
Did I insult you? Can you show me where please?
Can I show your insults below now?
“l now realise that the ones who post on here are just stupid”
“brainless jorgalita”
“get it through your silly heads”
Can you see now why we cannot take serious people like this? : )
regards and save your energy for war time.
and save your energy for war time.
Oct 12th, 2010 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You joining up then Nicotine
Keyboard Warrior
. A Person who, being unable to express his anger through physical violence (owning to their physical weakness, lack of bravery and/or conviction in real life), instead manifests said emotions through the text-based medium of the internet, usually in the form of aggressive writing that the Keyboard Warrior would not (for reasons previously mentioned) be able to give form to in real life.
“Love to see your evidence for that statement Zethee!”
Oct 12th, 2010 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since the act of union we have been in over 140 wars mate, 50 wars before that. For the last 800 years we have mostly been constantly at war with one place or another with small gaps inbetween. The only other nation who would come close to this would be france, dispite there recent fondness for white flags.
We should not try to shy away from our past, we was an imperial war fighting nation, however we have changed.
NicoDin you really are such a plonker. I voted for the leader of my nation, he lives in number 10 downing street. It just shows that it is infact YOU who is indoctrinated because you can't even see sence when the evidence is put right in front of your face.
“Rise of democracy in modern national governments”
First bulletpoint.
”Rise of democratic parliaments in England and Scotland: Magna Carta (1215) limiting the authority of powerholders, First elected parliament (1265), The Levellers political movement, English Civil War (1642-1651), Habeas Corpus Act (1679), English Bill of Rights and Scottish Claim of Right (1689). See also: other documents listed at the Constitution of the United Kingdom, History of the parliament of the United Kingdom.”
Second.
The idea of the political party with factions took form in Britain around the time of the English Civil Wars of the 1640s and 1650s. Soldiers from the Parliamentarian New Model Army and a faction of Levellers freely debated rights to political representation during the Putney Debates of 1647. The Levellers published a newspaper (The Moderate) and pioneered political petitions, pamphleteering and party colours. Later, the pre-war Royalist (then Cavalier) and opposing Parliamentarian groupings became the Tory party and the Whigs in the Parliament.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_democracy#Pre-Eighteenth_century_milestones
103 NicoDin
Oct 12th, 2010 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we presume then you are going to join up, and be right at the back.[sorry front] defending your first lady, [good luck]
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for the rest of us, the falklands will remain british ,
Zethee, I'm very proud of our past.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only 140 wars? Most of which were quite small affairs and many involved a number of other countries. And wars are not necessarily that bloody. Governments fighting their own people generally reek a greater loss of life .... much bloodier!
My problem with general statements about the past is that they're made out of context. History is a bloody affair ....it was for all, not just the British.
Quite how much we've changed is also moot point ..... looking at how other's see us!
@stick up your junta
Oct 13th, 2010 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Keyboard Warrior
. A Person who, being unable to express his anger through physical violence (owning to their physical weakness, lack of bravery and/or conviction in real life)”
You don’t cause me any anger mate may be hunger so I will use my violence against a sandwich while still laughing about your post. BTW you forgot to include short penis and handicap. Haha
Let’s make a deal Sticky why you don’t come down here to Buenos Aires we meet in Palermo or any other place and you express your self without any physical barriers as Internet. We can rise up some money among the posters to finance your trip down here. I know you will say that you cannot ok I can go to Britain so rise the money for my trip there include hotel, etc. Don’t worry about health care I’m covered in UK.
Remember your have doubts about me you will not pretend I will pay for your doubts.
You will have all opportunities to make me anger and probe your theory of the “Keyboard Warrior” I hope you are not afraid of a physical weak, lack of bravery and conviction in real life person like me. Do you?
We can film the event and put it on Youtube to see how brave strong and convinced in real life you are.
I will be waiting for your answer in this forum.
And please let me know if you are planing to kill me, so I will ask for an extra life risk policy.
After all I think will be fair to win some money in such event.
@ briton
You presume wrong we don’t defend our President (Not first lady) else us, our country, our values, way of life, culture, etc. against any foreigner power aggression.
And of course I will be there in case of such event or you will be hidden under your mum's skirt if we invade Britain or where you live?
NiceButDim - with the amount Argentina spends on its armed forces you'd have to hitch a lift to get anywhere near the UK :-)
Oct 13th, 2010 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you will have to ask for a lift to the yanks haha.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry our boats arrive there even to the Middle east like yours or do you think you are much better than us? There is always a good friend to lend or sell to us some war toys. Especially from Asia.
“And you will have to ask for a lift to the yanks haha.”
Oct 13th, 2010 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0No.
The royal navy is one of three in the world capable of putting forces anywhere in the world.
Power projection.
Blue water navy.
Well tell that to your own RN they have serious doubts about it.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they arrive here UK will lose more than half of its fleet.
Even thought if we lost then you will have power projection (if you're lucky) to Piccadilly Circus may be.
Actually, the navy has been spared from most of the cuts. We are getting our carriers and we still have our projection capabilites.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0We will loose a few escorts but they are easy to build and the cuts are only for 10 years.
@Zethee
Oct 13th, 2010 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still UK will lose more than a half of its fleet may be a carrier and or course face entire lost.
Can you imagine the repercussion to UK political status in EU, OTAN, UN and the world?
Your RN will be downgraded to the level of Bolivia navy.
Simple logic if we lose the world would say poor Argies they are nuts. They are already saying that will not harm our image in the world.
What they are going to do? May be downgrade our external debt? Another bad article in the FT, Economist or WSJ? A bad realationship with IMF?
But if we win or if we sunk more of your fleet your army will have to start to find jobs as cruiser custody, will be the laugh of the world.
Do you understand what UK is risking? Political and financial collapse.
So your power is relative little if you are not sure to have a good winning situation down here to show to the world.
And you are not sure to repeat your lucky performance in 1982.
Well seems we need that war more than UK after all.
Be aware of that : )
NiceButDim - you would not win! (and I'm a poet, but don't know it).
Oct 13th, 2010 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Little country, little man, little dreams of power.
Child!
jees your scaryy nicotine
Oct 13th, 2010 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxvjYE39MTQ
well Sticky you don't look any good either
Oct 13th, 2010 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khJkUA0hQRU&feature=related
I think you need a blood test pressure don't smoke that shit any more please.
“Your RN will be downgraded to the level of Bolivia navy.”
Oct 13th, 2010 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Theres only one navy in with world currently with supercarriers. In a few years there will two, the US and Royal Navy. Hardly Bolivia.
If you think you had troble with our old carriers these ones each have four times the capabilities of the old ones. You aircraft fared badly against the old harriers.
In short, within 30 mins these carriers combined can have 80 stealth fighters in the skys.
Good luck.
if I am correct, the biggest loss of sip the R.N has ever lost in its history, have been by incompetent politicians,, our history shows every time we cut ships there another bloody war,
Oct 13th, 2010 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...............
but in battle, we have lost a few, [mainly through default]
all navies lose ships in war, but very few if any, [Argentina being the exception] run back to port after losing [one] [but I could be wrong ]
“but in battle, we have lost a few”
Oct 13th, 2010 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ofcourse, but those ships did there job.
British and US naval doctrine is currently that frigs and destroyers are only there to protect the carrier, the carrier being sunk would be the main loss. If we loose a few escorts and the carrier survives then they have done there job.
agreed.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sadly someone should tell the argies this,
Uk still will lose more than half of its fleet.
Oct 14th, 2010 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly someone should tell the Brits this. Oh! wait a minute their own army is telling this but the dumps don wanna heard. Sad how some Populos commit suicide so easy.
NiceButIncrediblyDim ... even with half our forces, Argentina would be a walkover ...... !
Oct 14th, 2010 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0122 NicoDin:
Oct 14th, 2010 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We know that our fleet will shrink for the next 10 years before returning to it's current levels.
It's being shrunk so we can keep our carriers which provide more capability. Each carrier only needs 3 escorts and a sub which it will have, and more.
In a conventional war a fleet of 12 surface ships 80 aircraft will always win verses a fleet of 25+ surface ships. It's not even a contest, aircraft carriers dominate the area.
@Zethee
Oct 14th, 2010 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well so that’s it UK has a win win situation just only has to come down here and make sign the surrender manifesto.
I have this question for you.
Suppose you discovered now that Argentina’s Army has more carriers than UK. More subs, more jet fighters, weapons, soldiers and satellites.
Will you not fight and you will give to us the Island?
Russia has more and best of whatever you have in their army if Russia attacks UK you just will surrender and give the war lost because they have more toys?
Or you will give them a good fight?
Well you still will lose more than a half of your Royal Navy today even if the war is tomorrow.
And also will cost 2000 life alike UKI/ARG or may be more.
125 NicoDin (#)
Oct 14th, 2010 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i think you may be confused. if we attacked argentina,yes of course you will fight to save your country, i would expect nothing less, but we are not attacking your country, [ARE WE] you have attacked the falklands and lost, and you still wish to attack the falklands, in which case you would lose again,
“Russia has more and best of whatever you have in their army if Russia attacks UK you just will surrender and give the war lost because they have more toys?”
Oct 14th, 2010 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have more, but not better.
Capability - Numbers
but lack other things [being professional] [well trained] lack of experience]
Oct 14th, 2010 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0good looking [sorry couldn’t resist it ] besides you have more chance of Russia attacking you, than us, [why] because they don’t like you that’s why lol
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