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UK praises Argentine partnership and reiterates Falklands’ self determination
The UK has a close and productive relationship with Argentina but “we will not discuss the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands with Argentina unless the Falkland Islanders so wish”, said Minister of State Foreign and Commonwealth Office Lord Howell of Guilford during a question period in the House of Lords. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesLord O’Neill of Clackmannan is a left wing Member of the House of Lords and is confused over who it is that the term 'obduracy' applies to. I shall try to enlighten him when I've checked the exact wording from Hansard. As Think has pointed out, translations are not always reliable.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0The same applies to Baroness Falkner.
One of the advantages of our democracy is that I can e-mail them.
I did wonder at part of the reply to her question though, ' ” ... I expect that the debate will continue, particularly among not so much Commonwealth countries but other Latin American countries”.
The debate amongst Commonwealth members is likely to subside? Does this indicate a more proactive defence of our position than was taken under Labour? Certainly the statements to the UN's Fourth Committee have become longer and more inclined to challenge Argentina's (or it's cohort's) views.
The good news of course is that we are one day closer to the 177 becoming 178 :-)
There is nothing to discuss. The President of my country, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner is a sick person and she's a liar. I said it before and I'll say it again, those islands are British. Let Mrs. Cristina tweet on twitter as much as she wants. She's a loser and she has a bird brain, that's why she's on twitter all day and she can't stop sending tweets.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina certainly has the potential to be a wealthy country but until they elect a president who spends time on developing effective policy rather than writing “Pirates Forever” on Twitter then they will continue to under perform.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Election in 2011 anyone!
but we will not discuss the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands with Argentina unless the Falkland Islanders so wish.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0And why would they?
Same old… same old….
Oct 13th, 2010 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0This time from the Minister of State Foreign and Commonwealth Office Lord Howell of Guilford:
”We are dealing with Argentina as an important country, which, incidentally, is a very beautiful country and is, potentially, a country of great wealth and prosperity. We are dealing with it on science, mining, education and energy. This is a very positive agenda, which we welcome. But on these difficult issues involving the Falkland Islands, we have seen the non-co-operation which we deplore and we would like to see it replaced by active co-operation”.
Same story as in 1968 and 1981…..
Game over…
Active non-co-operation…
Firm and resolute new rules against Islanders obstinate obduracy…:-)
Ps:
Dear Mr. Hoyt
Good idea to check your sources when in doubt….:
”I shall try to enlighten him when I've checked the exact wording from Hansard. As Think has pointed out, translations are not always reliable.”
But…..”Translation”?...
Does the Lord not speak English?...
You surely mean ”Transcription.
Ps 2:
Dear Mr. xbarilox
You surely mean:
There is nothing to discuss. The President of my country Miguel Juan Sebastián Piñera Echenique....
By the way.....Congrat. about the miners....
Nope, I meant 'translation' as I picked it up from Mercopress and was unsure of their source. You have convinced me that much is lost in translation.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have already e-mailed our left wing Scottish Lord who, I note, has previously chaired the South Atlatic Association (now defunct?) which appears to heve been a short lived, pro-Argentine organisation based at a University.
As for the transcription - http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2010-10-11a.330.3
Same story as in '68 and '81 perhaps ... but game over? Really Think. The game was really over in 1833. These are merely skirmishes amongst the settling dust :-)
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Oct 13th, 2010 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you checked the AIM today?
RKH down 17%.............
Bubble bursting?....
I don't have any shares with RKH Think ... but I'm happy that the gold price keeps rising :-)
Oct 13th, 2010 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The whole line of South Atlantic oil shares is showing a tendency :-)
Oct 13th, 2010 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good for you about Gold...........
Speaking about that metal.....
Did you ever hear the April Fool's story about Gold in the Malvinas that the local radio pulled some years ago?
It's fun....
Try to google it....
That was bloody funny, though probably not for the saps who fell for it.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 08 Hoytred ” but I'm happy that the gold price keeps rising :-)”
Oct 13th, 2010 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are probably happy but Gordon Brown and the rest of Britain are crying when they think that 60% of UK''s gold was sold when price was very low.
2 xbarilox , I do not care about your views but please stop lying about your nationality, I read your posts in twitter.
Actual 'gold' for the islands is neither the metal nuggets supposed to have been found in a river, nor garnets supposed to be found aplenty somewhere, nor oil whose extraction appears not as easy and plentiful as it was supposed (to raise public funds for exploration?), but tourism and fishing plus, perhaps in a near future, processing and canning the catch and making dry cattlefood and petfood with the remnants... But, believe it or not, UK redtape is slowing the islanders' wishes for the development of their resources.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the MoD graciously decides one day that the main port (on which the UK won't pay a single penny) could be enlarged and reshuffled to handle deep draught liners, and more room to take passengers in transit, with trawlers moored away to new terminals/breakwaters, then they may talk about self determination.
Meanwhile, the UK and us will keep this foolish, day-by-day, Tug O' War that Borges so smartly defined in 1982: It is the fight of two baldmen for a comb.
Cheers!
The deep water port is on its way :-)
Oct 13th, 2010 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Union of South American Nations, Unasur severely criticized the United Kingdom”
Oct 13th, 2010 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what?
14 Typhoon
Oct 13th, 2010 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Union of South American Nations, Unasur severely criticized the United Kingdom”
Don't you know yet that Malvinas Argentinas are part of South america?
Need a map or you feel lonely?
@ Marcos Alejandro #11
Oct 13th, 2010 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you read my tweets? lol, THANK YOU DEAR! I'm becoming famous though I'm a social outcast roflol. Being serious, I opened an account with this same nick, because I have nothing to hide. But I don't have a Twitter account anymore.
I'm an Argie, I like being an Argie, I don't get upset when people call me an Argie, it's nice. I don't hide my nationality, I don't have to. I'm thankful to God for being who I am, I've done nothing wrong.
Think. Just to let you know about RKH. The reason for the fall was the fact that a new CPR won't be issued as more data is required. The lower fans have not yet been flowed so a CPR will only estimate the lower fan. Hence the CPR would have downgraded the P50 by 30%. The market reacted to this purely due to sentiment.
Oct 13th, 2010 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The RNS also indicated discussion with Diamond about a contract extension for appraisal and up to 8 further drills across the RKH acearage. In addition they will shoot further 3D seismic to fill in the data gaps. For business reasons CPRs tend to be conservative.
For me this was Christmas in October as I picked up some more RKH at £3.57 and they closed above this. I am here for the long term so these dips are top up times.
With further seismic, loads more drilling to come and at least one appraisal then I can conclude that we haven't even reached the end of the beginning yet!
Woooooow
Oct 13th, 2010 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is an “Argie” guys.....
You better believe everything he says then !!
Those guys are extremly intelligent :-)
Britain will play the soft card, pleading for normality, showing the world we want only peace, and Argentina is showing the world she is not only a pain, but wants confrontation, the result will be the same as the past, [you attack, we win, you lose] we get praised by the world for self defence, and Argentina gets slugged of for there aggression, the Falklands remain British, and Argentina the laughing stock of south America, [interesting]
Oct 13th, 2010 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 016 xbarilox , “ THANK YOU DEAR”
Oct 14th, 2010 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't mean to be disrespectful but are you a 19y/o boy?...you sound a liitle bit like a girl or a shemale.
“I am argie” LOL
you sound a liitle bit like a girl or a shemale.
Oct 14th, 2010 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Calm yourself Marcos date boys of your own age :-)
@15 Marco
Oct 14th, 2010 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“14 Typhoon
“The Union of South American Nations, Unasur severely criticized the United Kingdom”
Don't you know yet that Malvinas Argentinas are part of South america?
Need a map or you feel lonely?”
Have you noticed that 420 miles of liquid stuff between the Falklands and your rat pit?
The Falkland Islands are in the South Atlantic. End of!
poor, beautiful Argentina. forget the Falklands, they are not for you, develop yourself & make a good life for your own people. make your bountiful land a place that the Falklanders WANT to join. thats the only way you will ever get them
Oct 14th, 2010 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Isolde. Tell me. What would it take for the Islanders to WANT to become part of Argentina and how long do you estimate it will take before the Islanders trust Argentina enough to think about it?
Oct 14th, 2010 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not even Tectonic Plate Drift could make this happen, it seems that the Falkland Islands is on the South American Plate, and therefore will remain the same distance away from Argentina for ever more. There's light at the end of the tunnel though, in several hundred million years time Usuahia will briefly kiss the Northern parts of South Georgia as it departs the mainland and moves into the Atlantic Ocean, but I'm afraid everything else moves further away from b0th Usuahia and especially the rest of Argentina.
Oct 14th, 2010 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Call it natural justice, the way of things, and accept it.
22 Typhoon 'The Falkland Islands are in the South Atlantic. End of'”
Oct 14th, 2010 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas, 300 miles from Argentina mainland and 8000 from UK, are part of South America continent and Argentina, not Africa nor European one.
Be careful with the fog.
Malvinas, 300 miles from Argentina
Oct 14th, 2010 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
Chile is also part of the South American continent. Does that mean it also belongs to Argentina Marcos?
Oct 14th, 2010 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@J.A. Roberts
Oct 14th, 2010 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are talking about our Islands and not Chile. We are not claiming Chile? Do we?
So the rest doesn’t matter this can be resolved by diplomacy or we can have as many wars as UK is willing to fight for the Islands. The war in 1982 nothing has change we still are here claiming and will be like this forever.
So the rest doesn’t matter this can be resolved by diplomacy or we can have as many wars as UK is willing to fight for the Islands
Oct 14th, 2010 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nicotine armchair ace lol
#29 'We are not claiming Chile? Do we?'
Oct 14th, 2010 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not at present - apart from a bit of ice cap - but you have tried to steal their land in the past and I am sure you will again if it takes the mind of the masses of the disfunctional state of your country.
@26
Oct 14th, 2010 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas, 300 miles from Argentina mainland”
Where did you get the 300 miles, dimwit. Didn't I already point out that your rat pit is 420 miles away?
32 Typhoon
Oct 14th, 2010 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you read this article I was not that far off with the distance.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/background_falkland_islands.htm
Be careful with the argentinian fog.
yes watch out for the Argentinean fog, its white and disappears during the night,, and in the morning its lost, lolol
Oct 14th, 2010 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 034 briton , Yes you're right! Also prevents your Typhoons to land in Malvinas .
Oct 14th, 2010 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/04/falklands-thick-fog-forces-two-raf-typhoons-and-tanker-to-land-in-punta-arenas
@33 What a dimwit. You believe every article you read. Explains a lot. Argie government puts out an article. You believe it whatever it says.
Oct 15th, 2010 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you know that in recent movements of tectonic plates, Europe is turning ant-clockwise and drifting closer to South America?
Try some research, fool.
Yes, it would seem that the UK will become a tropical island paradise in the future as it moves closer to South America, no doubt as it gets nearer they will claim it as there's by 'right'.
Oct 15th, 2010 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0We're not the ones making a claim Witless ..... we don't have to, we've got possession already .. haven't you noticed :-)
Oct 15th, 2010 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 036 Typhoon , “Did you know that in recent movements of tectonic plates, Europe is turning ant-clockwise and drifting closer to South America?”
Oct 15th, 2010 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OMG, Well for now Malvinas is 300 miles from mainland Argentina and 8000 MILES far far away UK.
So close for Argentina, yet so far..
Oct 15th, 2010 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So close to Argentina and yet so far.. from England.
Oct 15th, 2010 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hoytred, who is Witless here?
Oct 15th, 2010 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you're referring to me and mean it you're committing friendly fire, and I will fire back, if you take the trouble to read the damn thread you'll note that my comment at 37 was directed against Argentina making claims by 'right'.
As you're aware the UK has no claim, it has possession, and therefore no need to make a claim.
I expect an apology or thorough explanation, in short order.
“So close to Argentina and yet so far.. from England.”
Oct 15th, 2010 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im sure the people living there would disagree
:)
Wireless ... friendly fire it was although not clear from your comment at # 37 - “ ... no doubt as it gets nearer they will claim it as there's by 'right'....” The 'they' appeared to mean Britain. It was only on another thread that I recognised you were wearing the same colours. My appologies. There, now you have both :-)
Oct 16th, 2010 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0So hurry to fire that didn´t aim at all?
Oct 16th, 2010 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why so worried?
Are you feeling attacked?
@Typhoon
Oct 16th, 2010 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are wrong Europe is moving “drifting closer to” Africa and not to South America.
Take a look around your neighbourhood and you would understand better your own research.
@ Seems Anglais have a Parkinson problem they kill each other in friendly fires.
Very “smart” the directors of this company.
Oct 16th, 2010 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0This summer, Rockhopper awarded almost £1m in early bonuses to four executives before some key tests on the flow had been completed
“Rockhopper has cast doubt on the scale of its new oil discovery in the Falklands Islands, causing its shares to tumble by more than 20pc.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/8062317/Rockhopper-shares-tumble-on-oil-doubts.html
@Marcos
Oct 16th, 2010 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0the old ponzi scam game again some people never learn.
They have to say I wanna be English instead of British may be that way they become smart who knows?
I made plenty out of Rocky, even though I sold out at 310, before the big spike .
Oct 16th, 2010 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0We Scots have an education system, others are merely taught!
re 24, yes, Typhoon,you are right.but l was merely trying to illustrate to the F.I. neighbours, that with their attitude, the futility of their quest
Oct 16th, 2010 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@45. It's alright Pheely. We just like to shoot first and ask questions afterward.
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Oct 16th, 2010 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.... acting the fool :-)
Oct 16th, 2010 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Cadfael
Oct 17th, 2010 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We Scots have an education system “
Yeahhhhh and thank to English God save the Queen and Her marble Scottish education system.
you've lost everything in translation nicodim, try again?
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Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The name's Think .... James Think ..... I like it stirred 'cos the British can't be shaken :-)
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Oct 17th, 2010 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can she have a Pantagonian Sunday, she's got at least 350-odd miles of open sea and weather systems between that far off land and Stanley?
Oct 17th, 2010 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think you are starting to talk some drivel, don't bring yourself down to the level of axel the window licker.
Do not worry wireless, we are not interested in the island that much, we are looking at Antartica really,same of the other Argentines neighbours...
Oct 17th, 2010 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everybody is looking Estevez .... including the Yanks, and if they want a nice friendly base of operations I reckon the British will do a deal !
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