MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
New Governor tells Falklands oil exploration is “your legitimate business”
THE Falkland Islands new Governor Nigel Robert Haywood CVO reiterated the United Kingdom’s support of the Falklands right to self-determination, during his speech at the official swearing in ceremony today in Stanley. Read full article
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Oct 16th, 2010 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A feathered guy talking about seldetermination shown in a colonial times ceremony in a 19 century style fotograph. =)
Now I understand why kelpers don´t invite UN envy.
Who's that feathered clown in the picture? Huckleberry, the former Governor of Anguilla? Now replaced by the famous clown Governor of Basra. And they say Malvinas is a not a British colony...LOL
Oct 16th, 2010 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0better this, than armed armed argentinian soldiers pointing guns at them, , at least they have freedom under the british, rather than the argentinians who want to brainwash them.
Oct 16th, 2010 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bad argentina bad ...
“Now I understand why kelpers don´t invite UN envy.”
Oct 16th, 2010 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have.
shame there nothing the argies can do about it, just cry lol
Oct 16th, 2010 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“shame there nothing the argies can do about it”
Oct 16th, 2010 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes there's something that we can do...laugh at the British Circus in Malvinas...LOL
“A feathered guy talking about seldetermination shown in a colonial times ceremony in a 19 century style fotograph. ”
Oct 16th, 2010 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No different to the style of dress affected by the guard at the Falklands memorial in Plaza San Martin... loved the way they set up the big screen and mega speakers on the back of said memorial during the World Cup.. a real class act...
“Yes there's something that we can do...laugh at the British Circus in Malvinas...LOL”
Oct 16th, 2010 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you attending?
Oh, wait..You cant.
Well done Billious Haze ... still getting your facts wrong. C-24 HAVE been invited .... but guess who objects ??
Oct 16th, 2010 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Love a bit of pomp and circumstance .... does the heart good ... goes to show there's no change :-)
Billy/Marcos - yes its called TRADITION - something perhaps your nation does not yet have? Its something that brings in the Tourists to UK AND the Islands.
Oct 16th, 2010 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Judges wear wigs- tradition - just the same. Actually Britain wanted to do away with the traditional Governor,s uniform several years ago as they felt it was not reflecting the modern system now we are past the Colonial stage - we said no - its a British tradition we want to keep as part of our Heritage, so we now pay for the uniform.
I can also confirm that both the UN and OAS have been invited over the years to make a visit here- both have always declined!
7 Frank the feathered clown.
Oct 16th, 2010 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0” ... Referring to Argentina he added, “Yes we want friendly relations but based on the principle of self determination...”
Oct 17th, 2010 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0In other words, the islanders' can decide what they want to be and Argentina has NO say in the matter !
Quite right Think .... nothing you can do :-)
Were 'democratic self-determination' a genuine right for the inhabitants of the small but strategically important outposts around the world that Britain managed to retain in the twilight of its empire, one would suppose that it would be accorded universally to those inhabitants by the UK government. The sad fate of the Chagos islanders proves otherwise.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0#11... oh dear is that the best alliteration you can muster, Marco the Mutant Masturbator?
Oct 17th, 2010 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders are not Chagos islanders Marcos, but if the USA wanted a nice big air base on one of the islands, I'm sure the islander's will give it their full consideration :-)
Oct 17th, 2010 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 015 Hoytred , I am sure they will, after all they are white british and they will not be expelled like Argentinians from Malvinas in 1833 or Chagossians a few decades ago from their homeland.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trespassing Argentines have been expelled twice now .... you should be getting used to it!
Oct 17th, 2010 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16: Marco, I was unaware Argentines were expelled from the Falklands.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is this true? What happened?
Domingo
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't confused Margo, he doesn't wish to listen to facts.
Why would the Islanders want anything to do with Argentina? Tne last time a sizable number of Argentines showed up in Stanley they decided to use the floor of the post office as a public lavatory.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0When Argentina has manged grasp toilet training then perhaps the Islanders will consider Argentina being of any relevance.
( 20 ) Beef
Oct 17th, 2010 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I need to react to your recurrent mentioning of bad behavior of Argentinean troops under the 1982 invasion.
I do it only because I consider you an intelligent debater and can only subscribe your onesided descriptions of negligible incidents in a War situation as sheer ignorance of the realities of combat.
I include an old but quite useful British newspaper article that could help you gain some insight about those matters:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/war-heroes-or-murderers-a-police-inquiry-must-rule-when-death-on-the-battlefield-is-a-crime-john-shirley-reports-1542024.html
Since then there have been further developments and testimonies from argentine troops about some regrettable episodes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/war-heroes-or-murderers-a-police-inquiry-must-rule-when-death-on-the-battlefield-is-a-crime-john-shirley-reports-1542024.html
Incidentally, this is the same information our “belowed” Justin Kuntz tried to edit out from the Spanish Wikipedia (and that’s why he was kicked out)
I want to state clearly that the above mentioned episodes are an integral part of War and that’s why War should be avoided at any cost.
But, I can not avoid reacting to your childish whining about troops shitting and pissing inside a building under combat and sub zero weather conditions……
Get a grip man!!
Aren't armies supposed to dig their own latrines, something about basic hygiene ? The Romans seemed to manage it in all conditions 2000 years ago but perhaps the Argetines were a little more delicate.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Romans were usually prepared for the conditions they were campaigning in, good planning and all that. The Argentininians, with their usual incompetence, were not prepared for conditions in the Falklands.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's ironical really, if all Argentinas wishes come true and they got the Falklands back and deported (or worse) all the Falkland Islanders then how many Argentinians would flock to the Islands to partake of the marvelous opportunties that exist in the land that was 'stolen' from them? none, that's how many, they can't even hack it in Patagonia.
On the subject of “fun” uniforms, everyone seen this:
Oct 17th, 2010 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Regimientosdepatricios.jpg
So who are all these funny clowns with stovepipe hats with feathers stuck in them, nice red pinafores and the sweetest little fringes?
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Oct 17th, 2010 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0THIMC
If you don’t want to hear or speak about the killing of Argentinean POW’s by British troops in 1982, is ok wit me but……..
Avoiding it by focusing on Roman latrinary technology seems a bit far fetched…
Has it something to do with a special British scat fixation or what?
By the way…….. Seems to be that MercoPress made, yet again, a gross mistake in their transcription of Governor Nigel Robert Haywood speach…
They write:
Referring to Argentina he added, “Yes we want friendly relations but based on the principle of self determination.”
But, what he really said was:
”Yes, we want friendly relations with the United Nations but these must be based on the principle of self-determination of peoples and it is a principle we remain committed to defend”
http://www.sartma.com/art_8134.html
Quite a difference, if you ask me!
United Nations beware!
The Royal Navy is coming :-)
You Think SARTMA is more accurate than Mercopress ??
Oct 17th, 2010 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose we'll have to wait for third version to find out :-)
Elocuent words from this old fashioned governor mr.Think; his words elocuently shows to the world whats the relationship UK think it should have with the UN, the world community and the international law.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps mr.T is right and the clue in all this situation is veto power at security council.
This from a country that ignores UN Security Council resolutions. And wears silly uniforms.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ think
Oct 17th, 2010 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentines opened fire and struck the Gazelle, mortally wounding her pilot Sergeant Andy Evans. Even so, he managed to turn away from the fire and ditch in the water. The two crew men were thrown from the aircraft when it hit the water. As they struggled in the water, the same Argentines who had shot the helicopter down, opened fire on the two crew men in the water, despite their officer ordering them to cease fire.
The Argentine troops continued to fire on the two helpless men struggling in the water for 15 minutes. When the shooting stopped Sergeant Ed Candlish, managed to drag Evans ashore where he died in his arms. The Sea King they were escorting had managed to avoid the fire. This incident had marked effect on the British troops in the Task Force.
To be fair both sides were accused simular stuff.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”He(Terry Peck) had sharp words for Paras who broke into a house”
Oct 17th, 2010 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1538660/Terry-Peck.html
Lt.Nick Taylor's(Sea Harrier) body buried by Argentinian forces with full military honours.And also remember that the only civilians killed were by indiscriminate British naval bombardment over the city.
civilians killed were by indiscriminate British naval bombardment over the city.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what happend to the Argie civilians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESMA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESMA
Changing the subject? Yes
Oct 17th, 2010 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You brought up the subject of civilians no?
Oct 17th, 2010 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0try to get your facts right , instead of reading papers, you were there invading the islands, therefore the responsibility was yours to behave, it is a fact that you stated doing bad things,, then sadly some British may have done the same , are [no excuse] but if you had behaved yourselves this would never of happened, then before you know it, no one knows who started what, but that is the past, [this is the future]. and if you keep on pushing, you will find yourselves up to your neck in it AGAIN, do you never learn, for the sake of peace, GROW UP AND BEHAVE YOURSELFE.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Old fashioned argument has no room in modern world; colonialism is like slavery; world has moved on, lask pockets remains in south atlantic.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This guy is talking about selfedfetermination; but selfdetermination is an anti colonial tool but this guy is the face of the colonial link beetwen UK and kelpers in Malvinas. Selfdetermination in this situation is a mask hiding british colonialism; this situation can´t succed because if it succeds it will be saying that world organizations don´t work.
There is no room for UK: World is saying that selfdetermination means no extraregional power over you situation; american continent understand that.
I find the most alienated situation. It´s a lost-lost situation for both in economic way.
For Argentina 1% GDP and for kelper nation 60% GDP.-
What a shame that Argentines are only capable of understanding situations in terms of their own feudal dictatorship.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Governor is the embodiment of Her Majesty the Queen of the South Atlantic Territories and Antarctica.
Now, it's true that in order to avoid any arguments it may be necessary to eliminate a few Spanish immigrants. But then they had their turn at wiping people out and no-one will miss them anyway.
“selfdetermination is an anti colonial tool”
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, thats where you are wrong, you should learn the meaning of the word.
Self Determination is the right to choose your own government. They have chose to keep the british government, they are using there right to self determination.
Google it.
Think- the P.. and Sh.. in the Post Office took place AFTER cessation of combat. I would accept that all do some pretty unpleasant things though when you have been living and acting as a vicious animal for several weeks. That is the main reason why the Br General ordered Stanley Pubs closed in the immediate aftermath until his Marines and Paras had a day or so to“unwind” back to humanity again.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Billy- when oh when will you ever drop this silly Colonial thing? There is only one country around here who wants to Colonise a people - Argentina wanting to colonise us against our wishes. We moved on from being a British Colony as you would call it about 20 years ago.
Malvinas constitute one of the last remnants of British colonialism, part of a history of economic piracy stained with the blood of millions who suffered as a consequence.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Self Determination is the right to choose your own government. ”
Oct 17th, 2010 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's internal self determination. External self determination is the right to determine the international status of your country. Falkland Islanders have both rights.
Argentina is the product of Spanish colonialism, part of a history of economic piracy stained with the blood of millions who suffered as a consequence.
Well I will say this about the “feathered Moron” some of our enlightened Malvinist posters have said about the Guv'nor, at least the islanders choose to allow him as their representative of the head state.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A choice or option I must say that is somewhat lacking in the Malvinist's train of thought, if so called “democracy” in Argentina involves demanding other countries land against the inhabitants will, then I'm frankly all for an “anachronistic” monarchy which allows people that choice.
Marcos Alejandro .... I see you forget to mention the less than palatable manner in which the modern state of Argentina was required and whose expense its expansion was.
The Falklands may be a relic of the past, but if you Malvinist thugs get your way, history will be repeating itself, instead of having a European power expanding on other peoples land against the inhabitants will, you have a Latin American one, expanding into other peoples land an territory against their will,
Oh I forgot, because you are “not european” and are thus more “enlightened” than us old school tea drinking brits, it therefore means that latin American countries cannot be Imperialist, even if you do take land without asking :)
42 Rhaurie-Craughwell , “at least the islanders choose to allow him as their representative of the head state”
Oct 17th, 2010 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like they have any other choice.LOL
41 dab14763 , You are a little late. The Spanish empire got their rear end kicked out of South America about 200 years ago.
Well Marcos, if they wanted they could vote or protest him out of his position, there are mechanisms in place which allow for a governor to be ejected from his position, it happened in Saint Helena where an adulterous governor upset the traditionalist christian sensibilities of the inhabitants.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now we don't see that happening in the Falklands do we? Ergo they do not mind and therefore choose by popular consent to have him as the representative of the head of state.
You do not need to “vote” to have a democratic head of state, democracy means “people power”, not “voting power”, the islanders if they wished it could vote in Marxist legislators who then abolish by popular approval the position of governor, they could hold protests, or any other form of civil disobedience to force a change in the constitution, they hold the ultimate power.
So yes they do have a choice in the matter..... I wonder did Argentina afford and allow the same degree of people power to the islanders in 1982? nay it just arrested the ones who said nasty things about Argentina, and deported the rest to remote areas where they could cause as little disruption as possible to the functioning of the central hub of Argentina's second foray into Adventurous Imperialism.
Well, the new fella's in place, the flags up and ........ nothing has changed. Sorta relaxing ain't it :-)
Oct 18th, 2010 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 044 Rhaurie-Craughwell “You do not need to “vote” to have a democratic head of state, democracy means “people power”, not “voting power”
Oct 18th, 2010 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0What????
That plumifero(feathered) clown governor is a perfect example what is not a democracy.
A head of state does not have to be a part of the political process nor have any great power. Your failure to recognise this ridicules your understanding of real democracy!
Oct 18th, 2010 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you suggesting that the Commonwealth of Nations, all 54 of them, are not democracies because they recognise Queen Elizabeth II as the head of the Commonwealth ? Or that nations such as Canada and Australia are not democracies because they too have a Governor and recognise Elizabeth II as Queen of Canada and Queen of Australia ?
Are you mad ?
Queen Elizabeth II ? Who's that? A fairy tale book leader that some old englishman like Hoytred still believes in the 21 st century.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a bunch of clowns you Brits are
Oct 18th, 2010 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - “ ... Elizabeth II is the reigning queen and head of state of 16 independent sovereign states known as the Commonwealth realms: the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Kitts and Nevis. In addition, as Head of the Commonwealth, she is the figurehead of the 54-member Commonwealth of Nations...”
Oct 18th, 2010 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's a lot of people who appear to believe the same ..... millions :-)
Che - do we make you smile then ...?
“Like they have any other choice.LOL”
Oct 18th, 2010 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, yes they do. They are free to leave us whenever they like.
”That plumifero(feathered) clown governor is a perfect example what is not a democracy.”
Thats funny, because i was under the impression that democracy is the power of choise. And the islanders personally decided to keep the (feathered)uniform themselves.
@Marcos & Che
Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't waste your time explaining the brits the difference they will never get it. They have democracy Fidel Castro style. that's it.
From an Argentine that's almost cute :-)
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting, On the one hand Queen Elizabeth II is a fairy tale monarch that only a few old Englishmen believe in and at the same time she must also rule in all those Commonwealth countries that recognise her as head of state as any county that does that is not a democracy, which is it to be then?
Oct 18th, 2010 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhhh yes, I forgot, Argentinians are very clever, they can believe in 2 contradictory ideas at the same time. They say they want peace in the South Atlantic while at the same time bullying and plundering as much as possible for instance.
@40 marco-- millions?
Oct 18th, 2010 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos you have a very limited understanding of the term “democracy”, coming from the Greek Demo (people) and Kratis (power), now where does it state the term “vote”? And it is quite clear you didn't bother to read any of my statements
Oct 18th, 2010 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0You expect that to be a democracy one must vote in the head of state? But what is the point if the plum feathered Moron has no power or political authority, being voted in?
And where under any manual for democracy does it say that a democracy must be a republican model?
the legislators who are the true power are invested with the authority to make or break laws, they could if they wanted say tomorrow “right chum we are now a republic, bugger off!”
It is the most perfect example of base democracy around, the sovereignty of the people represented through parliament, no one person has absolute authority, and no tedious ridiculous procedures are needed to pass laws or change the constitution.
Curiously enough the model of govt you have is a carbon copy of the US which is a carbon copy of the Cromwellian commonwealth Republic system, the investment and donation of your liberties in the hands of one individual the “leviathan” as so to speak, your law is also based pretty much, like US law on English common law.
So in reality Argentina is in fact using a English political system and English common law, oooh the irony!
And every School child knows that Crommwell when he became the executive, abolished parliament and ruled as a dictator, too much power in the hands of one man is the republican model, be he elected or not.
luckily our executive powers are invested in the hands of 600 people.
52 NicoDin, You're right.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 055 lsolde (#)
@40 marco-- millions?
Yes.
Uff here we go again they cannot understand and twist everything.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So in reality Argentina is in fact using a English political system and English common law, oooh the irony!”
The re is not such English common laws as original English to say that mate. The system of common law was introduced into England by the Normans (Man of the North) from Normandy.
And they also got it from the French and the French took from the Romans.
The real thing is Common Roman Law what for as if civil laws in contrast to criminal laws.
The first is based on “uses and customary” to give law to common practices among population (Corpus Juris Civilis).
You have ever noted all those words in Latin in your legal system even in English?
So after all you are using our system that is much older and the mother of the whole western civilization, including UK. Some derivation of the ancient Roman Law.
And for that reason you cannot understand the difference of what its democracy and monarchy because in your history everything ends when was not written in English.
So you pretend to accept the facts only written in English but the Romans your first fathers use to spoke an old type of English called Latin that was the origin of French and Spanish and also English.
“old type of English called Latin”#
Oct 18th, 2010 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0English was a language before latin influence Modern english is a mixture between old english and worlds borrowed from latin, norse and languages decended from latin(spanish, italian, ect.).
English itself gets it's roots from germany.
@ 57
Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”55 lsolde (#)
@40 marco-- millions?
Yes.”
So we won't be worried about 40-odd million more, will we?
60 Typhoon or harrier 61, Get some mental help, you really need it.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how would you argies know anyway, when the romans ruled europe.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the argies did not yet exist, the local people were yet to encounter the most murderouse peoples yet to arrive, centuries later [called spanish]
so who are you to condemm, your past is nothing to be proud about is it,
talk abt the kettle/black, fooooooooollss???
From the Great God Wiki - “ .... Common law legal systems are in widespread use, particularly in England where it originated in the Middle Ages ....”
Oct 19th, 2010 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law
The european use a codified system of law and an inquisitive court method.
Well done NiceBut AmazinglyDim - right again :-)
NiceButDim: It was not the Norman kings who introduced the system of Common Law to England. It is widely held that the Common Law has its beginnings in the first Plantagenet king, Henry II. This system was quite distinct from the Roman and the French systems of law.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hence why in most countries around the world there are two distinct systems of law: the English Common Law version and the Roman/Napoleanic version.
I suggest that you get your facts right and/or do some research before you start spouting off, although I'm not going to hold my breath given your past record.
Getting facts right ??!! Doing research ??!! Argentines ??!! lol
Oct 19th, 2010 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dig a bit deeper folks, the Celts had a very advanced legal and social justice framework long before the romans, angles,jutes or vikings invaded!
Oct 19th, 2010 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0marcos, you are not only a fool. but also a lying fool. you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. lets see the facts of these “millions”
Oct 19th, 2010 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0idiota!
67 lsolde, Thank you for your compliments.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some idiots still deny the holocaust others the atrocities commited by the UK all all over the world.
NicoDin, Nothing of what you said in post 58 is even remotely true. Something you could have found out with a few moments' basic research.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England did not get its legal system from the Normans as has been pointed out above. The Norman legal system was not based on the Roman one, it was based on the Viking and Frankish legal systems. At the time of Norman settlements in France, France was part of the Frankish Empire. Roman law was revived in various West European countries in the 12th and 13th centuries, several centuries after the fall of the Roman empire, and after the Norman conquest. France itself did not fully adopt Roman law until after the Renaissance. Do not confuse France with the Gaul that was part of the Roman empire.
You have taken the term “Common Law”, translated it into Spanish “Derecho Común” and confused two meanings of the term “Derecho Común”. One is “jus commune”, the common law of the civil law systems. The other is a literal translation of the English term “Common Law” but which is more commonly known as “Derecho anglosajón”. You are also confusing two meanings of the term civil law. One is civil law in contrast with criminal law which are areas of law, the other is civil law in contrast with common law which are legal systems.
the Corpus Juris Civilis is the Code Justinian ie a collection of imperial pronouncements having the force of law, not customary law.
When you point out the number of Latin legal terms in the English legal system you confuse the name for something with the thing itself.
Roman Law has influenced Common Law, but Common Law, unlike Civil Law, is not derived from it.
Re your comment about democracy and monarchy, England was laying the foundations of a democratic system more than 2 centuries before Columbus sailed to America.
Latin is not the origin of English. English is a Germanic Language, not a Romance language. Most of the Latin vocabulary entered English after the 15th century.
yeh yeh yeh boring boring boring, go back and cry argentina
Oct 19th, 2010 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nicodume gets his info from his Uncle who apparently is one of the top ranking barristers in Argentina and has a house.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't really pay much attention to his posts anymore, ever since he tried to claim that the UK has 50% more population than Argentina tee hee how I laughed.
Enjoy your English based Crommwellian republican model of state, investing all the powers into the hands of one person :)
And your wonderful Common English Law based Legal system
And I understand the difference between Democracy and monarchy, because unlike yourself, I know that democracy does not stop and end at how many votes somebody gets, but in how much authority and power to create laws that that person has and to what extent the people have invested him/her to make laws.
So a Monarchy has no power and no law making authority, therefore is not required to be voted into office, its almost like trying to vote in a precious ming vase, pointless.
Parliament however has law making authority and absolute power, therefore there is a need to vote them into office and power.
Oh yes don't forget we could have a revolution tommorrow and get rid of her! who holds the power then? the people, what does democracy mean “people-power”, we approve and allow the monarchies existence, democracy doesn't just mean votes, only a thick headed Malvinist twat who is blinded by arseholey anti-British sentiment would think that ... oh hey Nicodume sorry I forgot you can read :)
“Norman era especially the years between 1066 and the end of Henry I's reign in 1135 as a crucial moment in the history of common law”
Oct 20th, 2010 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...Norman lords could exercise over persons lower than themselves in the social order..”
“Norman governors in England made residents of their new territory more comfortable than ever with the idea of resorting to a formal court--such as a royal court or a lord's court--rather than to more community-based remedies or raw violence, for justice”
About English:
“The teaching of grammar in school is very confusing for one very simple reason:
Its rules and terminology are based on Latin.”
AbcdE... Spanish
Abcd... French
Abcd... English
More words coming from old French (Latin) and Spanish (Latin) More than 450 years or domination in Britain by the Romans before any German even know were was Britain.
Estación (Spanish) Station (Fench) Station (English)
English stacioun, from Old French station, from Latin statio The German word Station also is from Latin
More than half of your vocabulary comes from French and Norman nanguage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_language
Your language is so German as the Argie’s Spanish/German BelgranoDeutsh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_language
Das ist ein bosta, mate
and Norman nanguage LOL
Oct 20th, 2010 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0And how does changing English from a Germanic language to a romance language help your cause, exactly? Even assuming you could, all by yourself,Nico.
Oct 20th, 2010 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, though, you're making yourself look like an idiot. Of course there are words in English with Norman French origins; stupid springs to mind, and fool. Others, like ignoramus and idiot come from the Latin. But the best words and many grammatical structures come from the Anglo Saxon, and where did they come from? The area that is now Germany and the Low Countries. I'm thinking hopeless, prick, crap.....:-)
Stiky
Oct 20th, 2010 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Language a typing mistake ok, now why you don't write all what I have wrote in Spanish for example or French, or German or Italian so just for once I can be your spell checker?
Vos no conoces tu propio idioma y me venís a corregir a mí?
No será mucho che?
Language a typing mistake ok, now why you don't write all what I have wrote in Spanish for example or French, or German or Italian so just for once I can be your spell checker?
Oct 20th, 2010 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont have to Nicotine we all speak the same nanguage according to you
Nicotine is radio rental,with a boat like a blind cobblers thumb
NicebutDim is good with languages ... he speaks Spanish, English, Gibberish and Rubbish !
Oct 20th, 2010 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And how does changing English from a Germanic language to a romance language help your cause, exactly”
Oct 20th, 2010 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because I try to explain that the common laws are not an English inventions else were introduced by the Normans who took it from the French and the French from the Latin world.
Known as Romanization of the western civilization, all concept of government, tax, administration, parliament, etc Roads, drains, bath, church, and the Name of your capital city London and Britain is Roman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_London
And even the Germans language was influenced by the Romans in fact they use the Roman/Greek alphabet.
Achtung!:
Germanic tribes before even the existence of Britain traded and fought the Romans to resist the Romanization, they got a lot of words from the Romans in Latin than later become part of their language.
Examples of Latin words introduced by saxons, jutes, dutch, etc into English language:
War, mint, noon, pillow, anchor, butter, camp, cheese, chest, cook, copper, devil, dish, fork, gem, inch, kitchen, mile, mill, noon, pillow, pin, pound, punt, boat, sack, street, wall, wine.
Example
Introduced by Germanic into English word: Fork
Fork (Old English forca (based German) , from Latin word furca)
And how the Italians call this? Forca (tool) and Forchetta (To eat)
And the French? Fourche (tool) and Fourchette (To eat)
And Italian and French languages are considered?... Latin languages
Of course for you sounds pretty German but for someone that cans understand German, Italian, French etc cans realise easy the root of the word.
The German influence in your language is less than 30% and they already introduced many Latin words as you can see here
58% Latin, 26% Germanic and others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_London
Thats all well and good cant fault your research but where does Norman nanguage come in
Oct 20th, 2010 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nico, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you cant even read a pie chart.
Oct 20th, 2010 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latin = Latin.
French = French
Latin is not French + latin = Latin.
Nico couldnt count his balls and come up with the same answer twice
Oct 20th, 2010 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a funny photograph on this article. What the hell the guy have on his head? Is it a fox? LOL
Oct 20th, 2010 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What kind of foxes do you have in Argentina? Ones with feathers?
Oct 20th, 2010 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and Nico the Romans didn't invent parliament and neither did the Normans. The Normans introduced the feudal system, which was some way less parliamentary than what went before, and the Roman senate was a bunch of aristos presided over by a dictator.
And I'm still not sure what you're getting at. We all know that the English language is a right old mish mash, so is the history of our political and legal systems. So what is the point of saying it all came from the Romans (even if it did)?
Get rid of the monarchy, let them pay for their own lives, turn the palace into a museum.
Oct 21st, 2010 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0What??? Why??? What possible difference can our monarchy make to you? Thanks for the advice, but no, I don't think we will.
Oct 21st, 2010 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Get rid of the monarchy, let them pay for their own lives, turn the palace into a museum.”
Oct 21st, 2010 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0She costs us about 50million a year, she makes is about 130million a year.
She does pay for herself.
Your mums Muff Jigaboo all spread out as a sign of his conquest after he destroyed her in Rio Commodore :) Be disrespectful and you get a disrespectful answer.
Oct 21st, 2010 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Zethee,
Oct 21st, 2010 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Buckingham Palace puts the annual cost of the monarchy to the taxpayer at £38.2 million but that figure does not include security and other costs which put the bill closer to £180 million a year”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/spending-review/8075857/Spending-Review-2010-The-Queen-agrees-to-cut-total-Royal-Household-spending.html
Rhaurie-Craughwell, Get rid of the monarchy, let them pay for their own lives, turn the palace into a museum.
You are offended Rhaurie? I'm sorry :)
Oct 21st, 2010 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Buckingham Palace puts the annual cost of the monarchy to the taxpayer at £38.2 million but that figure does not include security and other costs which put the bill closer to £180 million a year”“
Oct 21st, 2010 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very well. The Crown Estate make an annual profit of £210.7 million, as of 15 July 2010. Looks like a profit to me.
”Rhaurie-Craughwell, Get rid of the monarchy, let them pay for their own lives, turn the palace into a museum.”
No, even if she does cost us. We don't care.
We want to keep our monarch.
Why on Earth would we get rid of the Monarch? First she's actually a net benefit to the State, without considering all the tourism she brings in, and secondly we addressed the matter during the 17th Century, with Civil War, a Republic, a Restoration, and a Glorious Revolution, placing all Executive Power in the hands of the People under a Political System of Constitutional Monarchy.
Oct 21st, 2010 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Johnny come lately Argentina and its Malvinist nut jobs are ignorant of our political history, and tend to make stupid statements as a result, who gives a flying fcuk, they are nobody important.
argies are still smarting from having their arses kicked by Her Majestys armed forces,Prince Andrew earnt his keep in the war too
Oct 21st, 2010 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK enjoy your monarchy but return Malvinas. Is Prince Charles first in line to be the next King? I can't wait for the jokes.
Oct 21st, 2010 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“return Malvinas”
Oct 21st, 2010 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No.
There is nothing to return, we've even fought a proper war over them to decide the matter, you yellow boys outnumbered us 2 to 1 and turned tail and ran to your white flags, if you really wanted them you'd have stood your ground and won.
Oct 21st, 2010 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Crying about it 28 years later means fcuk all to the Islanders or us, so what if Prince Charles is a joke, at least he's our joke; its just unfortunate that the joke is on you lot with your flawed and corrupted democracy, and botox queen making you all look stupid. Just accept you live in a crappy backwater like the rest of the Third World, its your place in life, you earned it.
“return Malvinas
Oct 21st, 2010 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont you mean Falklands,fight you for them,forgot already have got your arses well and truly slapped
Good Lord Brits are in a bad mood since yesterday. Anything to do with the UK's economy collapse?. Well don't you worried you can do a jumble sale with the Crown jewels in the Tower of London and return Malvinas to Argentina.
Oct 21st, 2010 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When it gets this bad, we will be grumpy
Oct 21st, 2010 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6_i8zuffs
Must be frustrating for Prince Charles to spend his whole life waiting for a job that he's spent the same amount of time being trained for. Almost as frustrating as Argentina waiting to get its hands on a group of islands that it has wanted for 177 (nearly 178) years ..... frustrating old world, no?
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0No really coitred we are patient, after all the islands are in Argentina and far far away from England. And after so many years we will never stop bothering you until you return them.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well done, Morecrap .. I can see the islanders are really put out! I'm really looking forward to that next anniversary in January ..... and the one the year after.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's good to be patient ........... you'll need to be :-)
No problem.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, that's what I keep saying ................. no problem :-)
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0And after so many years we will never stop bothering you until you return them.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know and I know that aint going to happen :-)
So patient you invaded in 1982 :)
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ironic isn't it that that one, rash impatient act has resulted in them in having to be infinately patient now. Keep on waiting Argentina.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes we can wait, after all you are doing the job yourselves...
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The world’s most advanced nuclear submarine, HMS Astute, has run aground on rocks off Scotland causing considerable embarrassment for Navy chiefs.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/8079960/HMS-Astute-worlds-most-advanced-nuclear-submarine-runs-aground.html
Yes we can wait, after all you are doing the job yourselves
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And did a good job on one of yours
Santa Fe was detected on radar by Lieutenant Chris Parry, the Observer of the Westland Wessex HAS.Mk.3 anti-submarine helicopter from HMS Antrim, and attacked with depth charges. This attack caused extensive internal damage, including the splitting of a ballast tank, the dismounting of electrical components and shocks to the machinery. As the submarine struggled to return to Grytviken on the surface, HMS Plymouth launched a Westland Wasp HAS.Mk.1 helicopter, and HMS Brilliant launched a Westland Lynx HAS.Mk.2. The Lynx dropped a Mk 46 torpedo, which failed to strike home, but strafed the submarine with its pintle-mounted 7.62 mm L7 General Purpose Machine Gun (GPMG). The Wessex also fired on the Santa Fe with its GPMG. The Wasp from HMS Plymouth as well as two other Wasps launched from HMS Endurance fired AS-12 air-to-surface anti-ship missiles at the submarine scoring hits. Santa Fe's men and the marines onshore attempted to fight off the attack by firing their rifles, machine guns and an old Bantam antitank missile on the aircraft, but the Argentine boat was damaged badly enough to prevent her from submerging or even from sailing away. The crew abandoned the listing submarine at the jetty at King Edward Point on South Georgia and surrendered, along with the Argentine garrison, to the British forces.[6][7]
The news went aroud the world. British vessel is said to be 'virtually undetectable'
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However people on a beach watch as crew work on the deck of the Royal Navy nuclear-powered submarine HMS Astute off the Isle of Skye, Scotland on Friday
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39793497/ns/world_news-europe/
Your concern is touching Marcos but don't worry, they'll get it off the rocks alright, she'll be joining the other British submarines cruising around the Argentine coast doing missile drills soon enough so stop fretting.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Worry over Marcos
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HMS Astute was towed free by a tug at about 1800 BST and will be taken to deep water where a survey will be carried out on its rudder.
Mod source stated the running aground trials were a success ;-)
Sources stated the running a ground was a major embarassment for the Royal Navy. :-)
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ministry of the bleeding obvious Marcos, OF COURSE it was embarassing for the Royal Navy, don't know why you find that surprising...or is running aground normal operational practice in the Argentine Navy (such as it is)
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry I didn't know that HMS Astute is undetectable...next time I will cover my eyes and pretend that I didn't see it :-)
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A wise policy Marcos, have you considered a career in the Argentine Navy?
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do we have one?
Oct 23rd, 2010 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remember Gandhi defeated the most powerful empire on Earth, the British Empire, without firing a single bullet
Morecrap, you've obviously had the 'simple' version of Gandhi's role. I think you'll find that both WWII and the USA were rather more influential together with a change in attitude in the UK. However, if you wish to employ the same tactics that Gandhi promoted please feel free .... you'll find the Falkland islands are a rather different situation!
Oct 23rd, 2010 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the fuss over the sub ... a storm in a teacup as she was undergoing sea trials ..... it's just rock and roll :-)
Remember Gandhi
Oct 23rd, 2010 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes,and the Argies are not fit to walk in his sandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
I think you'll find that Ghandi persueded the British rather than defeated them, he was a pacifist so defeating people really wasn't his style. If you think you can use Ghandi's approach to persuede us to leave the Falklands then feel free.
Oct 23rd, 2010 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Remember Gandhi defeated the most powerful empire on Earth, the British Empire, without firing a single bullet”
Oct 23rd, 2010 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong on both accounts.
The empire was over for many reasons, ghandi was not one of them. He fired many bullet, usually in support of the Empire.
His so called pacifism is a poor lie. He was one of the most decorated british soldiers and supported all of the british wars, one of the major british army recruitment officers.
Some quotes from this “pacifist”
“If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British”
“Hitler is not a bad man”
“don’t let your swords rust”
“German Jews should commit collective suicide.”
The world has a warped view of that man.
“From the standpoint of Sun Tzu’s philosophy of war, the Mahatma Ghandi is among the greatest warriors of all time . Sun Tzu said, “Attaining one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the pinnacle of excellence. Subjugating the enemy’s army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence.” Gandhi defeated the most powerful empire on Earth, the British Empire, without firing a single bullet, and he was the pinnacle of excellence”
Oct 23rd, 2010 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can quote an oppinion, it does not remove the facts that i provided in my last post.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can try to avoid the facts as much as you like. It does not stop them from being facts.
Most argentines will always bang on about how bad our empire was, and mostly. i agree. the funny thing with you lot is, you will support a man who was one of the most active british war supporters in the empire, while at the same time condeming our actions.
Just like you support democracy while at the same time would support an democratic occupation of the falklands.
Hm, Marcos, I don't think Ghandi did it all on his own... there was a massive and powerful independence movement behind him, which had been organising itself for decades (when he was off in the UK getting his law degree and in South Africa). Oh, and he might have advocated peaceful resistance, disobedience etc but it wasn't always like that. There was a lot of riot and bloodshed too. Ghandi was a product of his time, not the other way around. Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit about India's history before spouting nonsense like that.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... Most argentines will always bang on about how bad our empire was, and mostly. i agree....”
Oct 24th, 2010 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not. The British Empire was aproduct of its time and whilst its time has gone I am immensely proud of it!
“The British Empire was aproduct of its time”
Oct 24th, 2010 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By that logic you could also say the same thing about the Argentine invasion of the falklands.
We was still an empire in 1982, a dying empire, but still an empire.
If we were an Empire in '82, then we're still one now.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0We should be proud of our history, and stop trying to criticise it by taking the events out of context. All the major powers sought an Empite, all got one of some size or other, all dealt with their empires as they would. We were no worse than any, and in many cases better. The one thing that made the British empire stand out was that ours was the biggest.
Isn't it interesting that so many of the countries that were a part of our empire have remained attached via the Commonwealth. We couldn't have been all bad !
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