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UN G24 chief calls for patience and cooperation on Falklands’ dispute
The president of the United Nations Special Committee on Decolonisation Ambassador Donatus Keith Saint Aimée called for “patience and cooperation” from Argentina to help find a solution to the Falklands/Malvinas Islands sovereignty dispute with the United Kingdom. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis is a waste of time, the Falklands is not a decolonisation issue, it's a territorial dispute.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I tend to agree with you WestisBest .... so the issue (what issue:-) shouldn't be before the C-24 !
Oct 18th, 2010 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... “I know what’s happened, but not enough. First of all I must collect all possible information to have a founded and well informed opinion”, pointed out the diplomat... ”
Collecting all information requires a visit to the islands ..... but guess who'll howl about that ?
” ... Ambassador Saint Aimée admitted that the G24 group has not exploited all its “potential” but under his presidency “we will be more active in the remaining decolonization list of cases....”
Yeah .... right ..... yawn!
Hasn't St Lucia got one of them fellas with a funny hat and a feather?
Malvinas is BOTH a decolonisation issue and a territorial dispute.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the Falkland Islands are a colony then they're entitled to self determination and independence.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the Falkland Islands are a territorial dispute, then take it to the ICJ.
In either case, Argentina loses !
Hoytred, shhhhh!
Oct 18th, 2010 - 04:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find it amusing that the Argentines seem to believe that the Falkland Islands are in any way governed differently from St Lucia, both have Constitutions placing Executive Power in the hands of local politicians elected by those living on the islands, both have a Governor, complete with feathered hat, both recognise the Queen as Head of State, both are Members of the British Commonwealth...
Oct 18th, 2010 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does St Lucia have a large country next door trying to annex it? Who would they ask for help to avoid annexation?
Has anyone compared the Constitutions of St Lucia and the Falkland Islands?
Argentina now places its hopes for World Domination in the hands of a man from St Lucia?
You couldn't make this up.
Nothing to be patient about, nothing to discuss. Argentina claiming the Falkland Islands is as ridiculous as Britain laying claim to Iceland. Even the name they made up for the islands “Malvinas” is just a corruption of the French Malouines.“The Pope said Spain and Portugal could have all of South America” is not an argument worth a minute of patience or discussion.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Alexei. completely agree, there is nothing to discuss. end of story, dismiss them & their silly claims & threats BUT keep your powder dry.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The purpose of the C24 is supposedly to represent the interests of the people of dependent territories, if you're supposed to do that, then at least visit the place.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any chance it will happen? No.
C24 is obsolete, abolish it.
It is very evident that has measured that one knows at world level, the conflict of Malvinas/Falklands strengthens the position Argentina that is indirectly also but acceptable for the united Kingdom and its internal public opinion.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is evident that with the the participation of all the meetings multilateral and regional so much UN, UNASUR, OAS you this creating the conditions so that he/she is carried out a negotiation with the United Kingdom, although the international politics's times are long.
The main problem is the maintenance of the status quo, the inacción, the permanent nonfulfilment and lack of implementation of the resolution of the United Nations that it urges to the two parts to put in male a process of diplomatic and direct negotiation among the two countries regarding the sovereignty of the islands.
Oh a strong world tendency, in the one that Argentina this included, sustaining and outlining with force, not only the necessity to complete the resolutions of the United Nations but also the necessity to modify the Council of Security of the UN, democratizing it and eliminating the veto right.
“eliminating the veto right.”
Oct 18th, 2010 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For that to happen, each of the five nations with the veto would have to agree with it, if one was to veto it would not happen.
Good luck.
Thats the problem with these johnny come lately Argentines, they turn up to the party too late, all the cake has been handed out on plates and everyone is filling their faces; while someone's back is turned the Argie steals their plate, and shits on it, and after the Argie gets beaten up and the plate is taken back, they whine on about how they should have had that piece of juicy cake.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They then make such a fuss, accusing the host (who built the house before the Argentine even thought about house building), of deliberately owning the house, and that as a nasty house owner he should give his house away to anyone who had just thought of owning a house without going to the effort of building it...and hand over any plates of cake that look nicest!
While this is going on, everyone else at the party shakes their heads in pity at the Argentine idiot, some standing nearest mutter a few words of support although they really don't mean it or care, but largely everyone thinks the Argentine is nuts.
Argentines eh?
@ Wireless #12
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wow, Wireless you need a pill, why are you so nervous? hahaha
Anyone nervous...no, thought not.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#10 Raul, if you wish to go to forums where countries will mouth sympathetic platitudes but no real support in return for Argentine concessions go right ahead. The only forum that matters is the ICJ, where Argentina will never go.
this guy is an idiot, there is no problem over the falklands, only the argies think so, we dont have a problem, nor does the falklands have a problem, only the argies, and as this man represents a corupt island , and brain dead whatdoes he know abt anything, he backed tracted so quickly he forget what he was saying,, fool.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ xbarilox ~13
Oct 18th, 2010 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously, explaining International Politics & History to you in the simplest of terms didn't work, as unfortunately you appear to be mentally ill.
It could be the years of indoctrination you've had at the hands of your Government thats to blame for it, its either that or you're just a prat.
The underestimation is too much for my taste. Too much intolerance. Believe that we are zombies that the government brainwashed us. Never in my life seen such overestimation of himself. Well, it is not unusual, I guess you do the same with the Iraqis, Afghans,etc. Racism or stupidity to the extreme.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you are never going to get anywhere, you itself with its intransigence caused the 1982 war, and I think you would not mind provoke another war.
Like it or not, the right place is the Decolonization Committee, because you were and are a colony.
That's great, if the Falkland Islands are a colony, then they're entitled to self determination/independence and will be supported by the UN.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0A seat at the UN for the islanders ..... wonderful :-)
you itself with its intransigence caused the 1982 war,
Oct 19th, 2010 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing to do with a unpopular junta trying to gain support
@ #12, wireless. keep it up. please. l laughed so hard l nearly..........no, you don't want to know that! but very good illustration.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0#17
Oct 19th, 2010 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I spent many years studying the nationalistic content of educational textbooks and the doctrines which generated those texts. And it's very clear from those texts how we got the idea of the sovereignty of Argentina over the Falklands. The notion that right was on our side was absolutely irrefutable and nobody could reasonably doubt it.”
“After studying the history of the Argentine claims on the islands, I would say they were absolutely without foundation - it's more of a habit than anything else.”
Carlos Escude, noted Argentine academic, who wrote an academic paper delineating the use of indoctrination in the Argentine education system, systemetically building in irredentist claims to bolster national identity.
Is the personal opinion of Carlos Escude. Readers should know that Carlos Escudé is a controversial and not well respected in the intellectual sphere. His objectivity is seriously questioned.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suspected of working for the British MI6:
http://memoriatdf.blogspot.com/2009/10/malvinas-menem-y-el-delegado-del-mi6.html
Evidence of membership of a British Masonic lodge :
http://memoriatdf.blogspot.com/2009/10/malvinas-menem-y-el-delegado-del-mi6.html
Carlos Escude's opinion is irrelevant, so please stop quoting again and again because their statements do not prove anything.
I wonder how irrelevant his opinion would be if he suppoerted the Argentine claim?
Oct 19th, 2010 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 08-)
I also ask myself many things, but that is for speculation, the reality is that Carlos Escude personal views can not be generalized to say that the 40 million Argentines are zombies can not think for ourselves. Very little serious.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not well respected because he could think for himself and wasn't a party to following the rest of the 'intellectual' elite in producing a history in support of the indoctrination process, and carving a career out of it.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously he then became a target in the media and elsewhere for spurious claims of working for the British as some sort of Masonic Spy, because holding such views that such indoctrination was systematic he was deemed unpatriotic, and irrelevant.
This is the way they deal with independent thinking people who do not want to be a part of the nonsense in Argentina.
This is why your whole society is flawed, your thinking is flawed, your economy is flawed, your laws are flawed, and your democracy is flawed; no-one is allowed to think any differently, because its too dangerous believing in reality, because then the population would soon wake up and realise its all a load of bollocks.
@12 Wireless Astute analogy :)
Oct 19th, 2010 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wireless: Can not talk to someone who lacks the minimum knowledge about our country and its poor conclusions are based on a series of ill-founded prejudices. Carlos Escude is an intellectual disrepute for his opinion on the islands, but for having their little objectivity and have been linked to questionable governments. I repeat, it seems that you did not read the opinion of Carlos Escude demonstrates democracy in Argentina, everyone can speak up and publish in the press. But I can not take a personal opinion and subjective as the only truth. It is a basic question of elementary education.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JPL you don't have a personal opinion, you've been programmed.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With such heretical opinions, and for having the intellect to overcome Argentinas state indoctrination of its children Carlos Escude I'm surprised Snr Escude is still alive. We know well what happens to Argentine dissidents.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine children are indoctrinated, not educated, which is clearly demonstrated by some of the irrational and delusional posts on this site.
“a preliminary survey of 20th Century Argentine history school-texts that showed that, independently of the type of regime or government in power, one message that is permanently present in Argentine education is that the country has been deprived of huge continental territories during the 19th Century by the cunning of expansionist neighbors and/or by the secessions of ungrateful brethren. In the Argentine texts, the loss of the Falkland Islands is added to the loss of great territories allegedly forfeited to Chile and Brazil, and to the loss of Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay in their entirety: these countries supposedly should have been ”inherited“ by Argentina from Spain”.
http://www.argentina-rree.com/documentos/culture_escude.htm
What you say does not offend me, because as we all can read, your poor conclusions are based on a series of poorly-founded prejudices. Generalizations, underestimates, and most pathological: the belief that you own the truth, or you see the reality without any kind of subjectivity. A serious flaw in the most basic education. Sorry for you.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30JPL Of course you are. Take another blue pill, there's a good chap.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0blue pill? jajja. I like British humor, this usually occurs when you run out of arguments in a debate. Good for you.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think Alexei was alluding to a scene from the Matrix, but then that would probably be too close to the reality in Argentina for you to recognise.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 JPL No, not that blue pill. I'm not suggesting for a moment that you have problems that could be remedied by medication to increase blood flow to an impeded part of your anatomy. Quite the opposite, such medication might divert much needed blood from the brain, where I'm certain it's needed far more. However, thinking about it again, that might explain something about Argentine bluster and machismo ;-)
Oct 19th, 2010 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I certainly haven't run out of arguments, although really there's nothing to argue about. It just seems you don't know much about history. I'm not trying to offend, it's just that you obviously weren't very well educated under the Junta.
It's always a good idea to understand another perspective and to consider the possibility you may have been misinformed, or just plain wrong.
Read and learn:
http://www.falklandshistory.org/gettingitright.pdf
Think of this as your little red pill ;-)
http://www.falklandshistory.org/gettingitright.pdf
Don't take the blue pill, if your bird has died, there's nothing you can do, sorry. I keep my bird singing all day, everyday, like right now ;)
Oct 19th, 2010 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there’s nothing left to say,
Oct 19th, 2010 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but [prey]
poor fellow
(36) xbritonx
Oct 19th, 2010 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems to be that you got a twin brother in Chile.....
Ok then Thingy, we seem to all have twins in South America, which one is mine then? Try to at least be creative in your response, you may get extra points.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0” ... Carlos Escudé (born 1948) is an Argentine political scientist and author, who during the 1990s served as special advisor to one of Argentina's most destinguished Foreign Ministers - Guido di Tella. As such, he advised on Argentine foreign policy strategy vis-à-vis the Western powers particularly in the wake of the Falklands War.....“
Oct 20th, 2010 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0” ... Escudé graduated in sociology from the Pontifical Catholic University of Argentina in 1973. In 1977 he matriculated in St. Antony’s College, Oxford, transferring to Yale University in 1978 upon receipt of a Fulbright Fellowship. In 1981 he earned his Ph.D. in Political Science from Yale; in 1984 he was awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship; in 1986 he was decorated with the Order of Bernardo O’Higgins for promoting peace and friendship between Argentina and Chile; in 1996 he received the Konex Award, and in 2003 he was appointed 2003-2004 Ashley Fellow by Trent University (Canada), nominated as “likely the most distinguished political theorist in Latin America”. His books have been edited in Argentina, the United States and Italy. His academic articles have also been published in the United Kingdom, Germany, Spain, Israel, Poland and Mexico. He has been visiting professor at Harvard University’s Department of Government and at Madrid’s Ortega y Gasset Institute, as well as visiting fellow at St. Antony’s College (Oxford), University of Augsburg (Germany), Johns Hopkins University (SAIS), UNC (Chapel Hill) and Texas (Austin)....”
Not respected JPL ?
I hate to say this, but Hoytred is right... again %&*$&#@
Oct 20th, 2010 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know why some people are saying that Carlos Escudé is not respected or he is practically a lunatic. People can't say Escudé is not respected just because his thoughts are different from those people's thoughts.
(39) Hoyt...
Oct 20th, 2010 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0You mentioned somewhere that you could some Spanish and that you have had some rubbing with philosopy......
Mr. Escude is a very complex and interesting character and, as the interview below says, he has radically changed most of his views since the 2001 crisis in Argentina feeling co-responsable for the failure of his Country......
http://adriancorbella.blogspot.com/2010/06/carlos-escude-los-kirchner-se.html
He defines himself today (June 2010) as a Kirchnerist without capital K........
As you can see,... even old men can change (for the good :-)
.... of course....... age makes us all politicians and philosophers have to change their views otherwise they wouldn't be philosophers :-)
Oct 20th, 2010 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rather neatly illustrates the mindset does it not, doesn't conform to the hive collective and so immediately denounced as a heretic.
Oct 20th, 2010 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think that was the point.
Of course Think, toe the party line and suddenly, as if by a miracle, he isn't such a bad chap after all.
Oct 20th, 2010 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Justin talking over and over about Carlos Escudé? lol What a surprise! An admirer of Bush and his wars against “terrorism”. A guy who changes his idea about Kirchners overnight and changes his religion just like that? Too much!!!! lol
Oct 20th, 2010 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well you would say that Jorge
Oct 20th, 2010 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is sufficient to talk to any Buenos Aires cabdriver to understand
that the Argentine people know that the Falkland Islands will not be
“recovered” by Argentina. The only locals who appear not to
understand this basic fact of life are a group of war veterans, a small
bunch of nationalist fundamentalists, and practically the entire lot of
Argentine politicians.
Needless to say, however, in so doing the politicians are cheating and
lying. The great majority of these politicians know that the Falklands
will not be Argentine again, but they choose not to acknowledge this
for fear of losing votes.
Carlos Escudé?
Oct 21st, 2010 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well according to your pal Think he is a respected and noted academic. One of the few things he has to say I'd agree with.
If you only have a hammer, everything seems a nailhead.
Oct 21st, 2010 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You never wachted him or hearing talking in argentine media, if you had had, then you wouldn't say the same about him. Just that.
Oct 21st, 2010 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Justin, did you see HMS Astute from your home window?
Oct 23rd, 2010 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure marcos, but i think if argentina keeps on this path..you may well be able to see HMS Astute from your window.
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