MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands’ defence ready for any crisis, “including external aggression”
The Falkland Islands will continue to be defended by one of the most capable military forces in the world and Mount Pleasant remains configured to allow for rapid reinforcement should it become necessary to deal with external aggression, according to the British Forces South Atlantic Islands HQ, BFSAI. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHurrah :-)
Oct 24th, 2010 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0If this thread now follows the normal pattern there will be a succession of references to negative opinions about the ability of British forces to defend the Falkland Islands in light of the Defence Review. All of which will fail to recall the increased spending on submarines and special forces. Gotta watch them 'special forces' :-))
Hoytred, really. Our special forces are at the moment working tripple shifts doing 4-5 high profile combat missions a day.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0These guys ran away from the gurkahs, good troops, but not special forces level.
I'm pretty sure tha most SF people would prefer Argenina over the shit they are dealing with now.
Argentina is committed to resume negotiations to find a peaceful resolution. We have the support of most of the american continent, including USA. Why now the British keep anouncing empty treats?
Oct 24th, 2010 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you guys scare or the collapse of the British economy cause a loss of confidence in your armed forces?
We are ready too.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The cuco is taking over the Falklands!ê_ê
Morecrap - if you believe that the U.S. supports you then you live in an unreal world. In fact if you take a close look at who supports you in any way more than rhetorically I'll think you'll struggle to find anyone other than Uruguay .... and they even apologise for supporting you!
Oct 24th, 2010 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Boo!
Oct 24th, 2010 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://mascot.crystalxp.net/es.id.3112-eroik-fantaisy-boo.html
Lets get this out of the way now
Oct 24th, 2010 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAORNh9vo68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAORNh9vo68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAORNh9vo68
You obviously don't understand the word “defence” Marcos. Get a dictionary!
Oct 24th, 2010 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0#7 SIUYJ
Oct 24th, 2010 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought the Astute thing was an unofficial part of the proving process? It'd explain why Trafalgar also went aground off of the same island a few years back...
Yep,as I said in another post,running aground trials a Success
Oct 24th, 2010 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“including USA.”
Oct 24th, 2010 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How deluded are you?
The UK remains the USA's most important ally, Both the US' government and the US people when asked in polls agree to this fact.
It is, a fact.
Rest assured mates…..
Oct 24th, 2010 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina won’t take ”offense” for your ”defence”.
As a matter of fact, we are a bit dissapointed that you didn’t use the opportunity to escalate your military presence….
Ask Edelman Partners, Malvinas new (and expensive) PR Agency why:-)
Anyhow……….Nice to see that the refreshed Malvinas debate has compelled many British Military Analysts to reach for their calculators and come to the conclusion that the “all inclusive” real cost of running “fortress Malvinas” is about 2% of the total defence budget (and that, before the 8% slash!)
What’s 2% of 36.000.000.000 £ ?
That makes =720.000.000 £
720 Million British bloody Pounds!!! A Year !!!!
Methinks me likes that…
Methinks is mucho expensive…
Methinks no more nonsense about Malvinas “defence” only costing 100 million £ then :-)))
Cold money numbers are fine but I prefer the human perspective.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 08% cut represents the misery of 42000 british people losing their jobs.
So we can say that this 2% for “fortess Malvinas” represents the life and wellfare of 10500 british working class families paying with their misery for the “defense” of 2000 colonial millonaires 14k miles away.
Think, your posts are so ridiculous. I am assuming you have never been to the Falklands, I have, they are as British as any town in England. It is very quaint, people are very friendly, it is clean and orderly. I loved it! Regardless of the cost the British will defend it until their last man. Argentina made a huge mistake invading the islands, you will not be able to even think about it again for at least 3 generations. Maybe then they will forget but as long as the grandchildren of men who fought and died there are alive you have a hopeless cause. You don't understand the way Americans and British think, you never will. All the whining and crying and antagonizing only makes us think you are foolish,weak and stupid.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You think your posts are funny and clever and they are just small minded and embarrassing.
(13) Billy
Oct 24th, 2010 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder how long it will take for the British Communist Traitor Press Organ (The Guardian:-) to start a series of articles about that disproportion you just mentioned…………….
But remember….....
No price is too high for freedom…........
Rest assure that, regardless of the cost, the British will defend the settlers wishes til their last man, woman and Welsh Corgie …………;)))
See you say things like “ down to their last... Welsh Corgie” and I am sure you think it is clever and funny but it is pathetic. Are you a 12 year old girl trying to bully someone on facebook? What a loser, grow up.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... 720 Million British bloody Pounds!!! A Year !!!!...”
Oct 24th, 2010 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some costs are always affordable. We've had this conversation before Think ... 28 years is not enough!
It's something that Argentina does not understand, but it's the one important issue. 28 years are nowhere near enough for the British people to forget the offence, the deaths, the insult .... 3 generations is about right ... but then you keep reminding us!
Even if there's nothing left but penguins ... the Falkland Islands are British!!!
(17) Hoyt
Oct 24th, 2010 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's only one mans opinion... (as you like to say:-)
British Military Analysts to reach for their calculators and come to the conclusion that the “all inclusive” real cost of running “fortress ”Malvinas” is about 2% of the total defence budget (and that, before the 8% slash!)
Oct 24th, 2010 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What’s 2% of 36.000.000.000 £ ?
That makes =720.000.000 £
720 Million British bloody Pounds!!! A Year !!!!”
Wrong. Please provide a link as to where you found these statistics.
The cost of the falklands was around 100 million a year untill the base was fully stocked and since then it has dropped to about 60 million. I only know this information because an agentinian on this website provided a link trying to show that we had dropped spending on the islands.
... 720 Million British bloody Pounds!!! A Year !!!!...”
Oct 24th, 2010 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0£11.5bn EXTRA for international aid
£224 million budget for accommodating asylum seekers
Money well spent keeping the Argies at bay,after all the Islanders are BRITISH living on a BRITISH Island
(17) Hoyt
Oct 24th, 2010 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two men opinion :-)
you keep telling yourself that think if it gives you comfort. I think you'll find that with the exception of a few apologist, surrender monkey Guardian columnists there are plenty of people who share that opinion, more than enough.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(17) Hoyt
Oct 24th, 2010 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Three men opinion :-)))
Last year we gave £300m to India
Oct 24th, 2010 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.spectator.co.uk/rodliddle/6396283/nice-to-know-our-money-is-being-wellspent.thtml
5 Coytred ,
Oct 24th, 2010 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And I fear that far from supporting their traditional ally, they will lend their support to any initiative that brings British influence in the South Atlantic to an end.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/concoughlin/7373408/Falkland-Islands-The-Special-Relationship-is-now-starting-to-seem-very-one-sided.html
(17) Hoyt RX
Oct 24th, 2010 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“After Britain's victory in the Falklands War Correlli Barnett spoke of the ”courage, professionalism and ultimate success of our Falklands task force“ but added:
The lesson of the Falklands crises is not that we need a blue-water surface fleet in case of similar residual bits of pink on the map come under attack, but that we should bring out foreign policy into congruence with our defence policy and shed such unprofitable bits of pink in good time. The real guilty men of the crisis are the MPs of both parties who, in the past, blocked possible deals with the Argentine with emotional cries of “sell-out” without apparently reckoning the possible cost of defending the Falklands against the value of the islands to the United Kingdom. Can it now be really argued that a capability to do another Falklands somewhere in the wide oceans is more important to our security of this country than the preservation of Western Europe, our own outer rampart and our greatest market?”
You better find A LOT of Oil in Malvinas :-)))
Agentinian historian Carlos Escude
Oct 24th, 2010 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To try and save face, they did something which they thought would generate popular support - they invaded the Falklands, islands usurped by Great Britain in 1833, long before Mexico lost Texas, California, New Mexico, Nevada and Arizona, to the US. To try and recover territory which had been lost for 149 years is extremely difficult. And the military government went ahead, instantly generating support from a population that only a day before had detested them.
I spent many years studying the nationalistic content of educational textbooks and the doctrines which generated those texts. And it's very clear from those texts how we got the idea of the sovereignty of Argentina over the Falklands. The notion that right was on our side was absolutely irrefutable and nobody could reasonably doubt it, nobody could doubt the idea that the United States had to be on our side and that we would defeat Great Britain if the US didn't back her. Such naivety.
Richard Gott is a writer and historian
Oct 24th, 2010 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“People sometimes ask me why Argentinians make such an endless fuss about the islands they call Las Malvinas. The answer is simple. The Falklands belong to Argentina. They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain. Because Argentina's claim is perfectly valid, its dispute with Britain will never go away”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/apr/02/comment.falklands
By Professor Carlos Escude
Oct 24th, 2010 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is sufficient to talk to any Buenos Aires cabdriver to understand that the Argentine people know that the Falkland Islands will not be ‘recovered’ by Argentina. The only locals who appear not to understand this basic fact of life are a group of war veterans, a small bunch of nationalist fundamentalists, and practically the entire lot of Argentine politicians.
Needless to say, however, in so doing the politicians are cheating and lying. The great majority of these politicians know that the Falklands will not be Argentine again, but they choose not to acknowledge this for fear of losing votes.
Think:
Oct 24th, 2010 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Wrong. Please provide a link as to where you found these statistics.”
Have you got a link, or are you complacent on reciting lies with no evidence to back it up?
”That's only one mans opinion... (as you like to say:-)“
”Two men opinion :-)“
”Three men opinion :-)))”
I love how you state this, then after which your only posts(and Marcos)
Are ones of journalist opinion and not fact.
What a lot of gas, 'such and such a historian says this', 'so and so journalist says that', 'blah blah blah'........we're here in the Falklands amigos...and here we stay.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(17) Hoyt
Oct 24th, 2010 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Four men opinion :-)))
To be fair, if you believe the politicians, then you have a real problem, they can never be trusted. It is well known fact that just 4 planes cannot defend the indefensible, and that’s the truth, it has been noted by some senior military officers, that an incident that could draw of the planes, would open up the Falklands to attack, if the Argentineans had the bottle to try something. A serving soldier has stated that when all 4 planes are on the ground, this was the time to be worried. I do not think the argies would try, but I certainly would never turn my back on them, no matter what the politicians said. And that’s just common sense .
Oct 24th, 2010 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(17) Hoyt
Oct 24th, 2010 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Four men and briton's opinion :-)))
(He gets out of his coffin at aprox. same time every night)
Think and a couple of others- you are using totally wrong baseline figures. Remove the British Forces from the Faklands and you do NOT scrap and save aircraft,ships,weapons, nor wages and accomodations and food costs of the serveicemen and women.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All would simply be re-deployed back to UK etc. This basic fact has been astablished for years - 28 of them actually!
The only additional cost to UK of keeping the current forces here is the cost of the fuel for the flights up and down and the fuel for the MOD owned cargo ships, plus a few other incidentals no doubt. The £100million approx is in transport and logistics - that is the cost - no more.
Wherever they are the servicemen/women need to be housed paid equipped and trained.
Sorry it was a good try - but not a factual one.
Marcos - if your claim is so perfectly valid why have there been no strong demands from the UN Security Council and IJC then? Dont come back with the tripe about UK having a veto - yes they do but that does not stop others putting it on the agenda and a majority vote against the Uk would still carry weight. You have had yearso have done all this?
If it such a valid claim - then why do your neighbours not kick up about it as well? All they do is pay a little bit of lipservice to you in the UN 24 Committee and General Asembly and OAS - where “declarations” have no teeth.
35 Islander1, “Dont come back with the tripe about UK having a veto”
Oct 24th, 2010 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Somehow you knew part of the answer. UK has no support around the world nor good reason to hold this colony in the 21st century in Argentina and South America.
(17) Hoyt
Oct 24th, 2010 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Four men and briton's opinion :-)))
(I counted Westi twice before) :-(
Think, “He gets out of his coffin at aprox. same time every night”
Oct 24th, 2010 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hoyt? :-)
Nope;..... briton.....
Oct 24th, 2010 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every night he “raises” and “initiates” us in his “profound” wisdom with his “fascinatingly ”cryptical” comments... :-)
think, you are so stupid sometimes. With people like you, no wonder Argentina has problems, what i said was perfectly feasible , and I never inferred it would happen. But then again thinking about it, the chances are it will never happen at least not while your awake.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a shame that now you cant even back up your “facts” or even hold an intelligent debate when someone calls you to one, instead you decide to ignore it.
I'm still waiting for your proof on how the falklands cost us 700 million a year.
And it's still amusing how you can quote oppinion and yet when a persons oppinion does not suit you it's obviously not true.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8082122/Navy-cuts-would-lead-to-Argentina-taking-Falklands-without-shot-fired.html.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yes im new to pasting, so laugh if you want, at least im honest
(40) briton:
Oct 24th, 2010 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ what I said was perfectly feasible , and I never inferred it would happen. But then again thinking about it, the chances are it will never happen at least not while your awake”
Cryyyyptical....... direct from Count Britons creeepy crypt
You are so profound
you obviously have no answer only silly comments tonight,
Oct 24th, 2010 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you may need more sleep
I'm going to sleep now....
Oct 24th, 2010 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I warn you.
I have a crucifix, an 1.5 liter bottle og mineral holy water and a lot of garlic....
So don't try nothing silly, you.... briton vampirate.
You should read the book “Argentina shows how to win a war without fighting a single battle”
Oct 24th, 2010 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Tudor Rose is dying, bit by bit and that makes me really sad. Believe me.
P.S.: I hope Maggie is doing well now. How is she?
briton, Think doesn't have any solid points.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Present him with facts and he will ignore your posts.
thank you Zethee.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope he does not have nightmares.
The thought of the British getting one over on him whilst he is asleep .lol
Goodnight think. I work days so back tomorrow night
Well I'm glad I stopped by here this evening. I can honestly say I don't understand any of what our Argentine friends are going on about. 'Tudor Rose'......'vampires'.... 'Maggie'.......wibble!
Oct 24th, 2010 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think we have much to worry about, do we.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/7902723/Prisoners-escape-after-guards-put-dummy-in-watch-tower.html
Oct 24th, 2010 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if this is true, then they have no chance lol
Please, sign the petition and save the Harrier!
Oct 24th, 2010 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/primeminister/
Do anybody can show me where I can read about the IraqWar last Wikileaks and their future implicancies on the use of British Armed Forces?
Oct 24th, 2010 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have already tried at Mercopress.com but ve only found some scrap about the potential defense against a supposed Argentina invasion.
Surely it has been a bad week for some warmongering “freedom fighters” intellectual honesty, but...let´s talk about what really matters: Hanaan Hamood Matrood´s fate, for example.
Until now, this thread remembers me the “Wag the Dog” movie.
“Sgt. Shoemaker” isn´t in the SAS list, is him?
No, the harrier needs to die. An amazing aircraft but all good things need to pass.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We need to cut back for 10 years untill we can get our new aircraft. Can't shy away from our debts.
“Do anybody can show me where I can read about the IraqWar last Wikileaks”
Oct 25th, 2010 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Without trying to make you look stupid, the latest wikileak release is probably on the wikileak website.
http://wikileaks.org/
Oct 25th, 2010 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0this may help you.
#25 - Morecrap that article dates back to March and was a reaction to Clinton's gaffe, which the US foreign office quickly backed away from. More recently the US has supported the UK's stance on missile testing as 'routine'.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0#28 - another old 'Guardian' article ... left wing nonsense :-)
#36 - Moresrcrap, it would appear that we have a lot of support, which is why the islands are still British !
#37 - Think, it's less of an opinion and more of a gut feeling, one I think shared by most of the nation. The children and the grandchildren of the dead will not let the politicuans forget it. On that you can be assured. NO political party would survive giving the Falklands away, and they all know that too. Political suicide ....... so it's unlikely to happen in the next 3 generations. That's about 100 years isn't it?
Funny is it not that the Falkland Islands wa first sited by a british sailor Captain John Davies in 1592 Before Argentina was a name let alone a Country. The French got it all wrong when they thought they could sell the Islands to Spain because if anyone cares to read the History files will see that Britain was settled at Port Egmount first.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway we now live in the s1st century and that nice black stuff called oil is what the current Argentine sabor rattling is all about. They thought they were going to have it all to themselves but We Falkland Islanders decided it was better we done somthing about it and go find it.
Well we found it and as the saying goes finders keepers so Argentina go do what you do best in your own Country that is pick on your other neighbours.
You may well be a huge populated Country but your administration is the most uneducated I have ever heard of. Maybe we Islanders should have invaded your Country and then tought you how to trully be a democratic society. Why don't you start doing something possative like helping your millions of people living in poverty at least we do not have that problem in our little empire.
@ kelperout #57 The UK and the poor.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.poverty.org.uk/summary/income.htm
No point posting sense on this thread Kelperabout, the argentine fantasists have gone even more doolally than usual this evening for some reason.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The brits are so desperate and scared that even if a US official says Malvinas instead of Falklands they wet their pants :-)
Oct 25th, 2010 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1257096/Falkland-Islands-Or-Malvinas-says-U-S-official-snub-Britain-oil-row.html
“ ... desperate and scared ...” ??
Oct 25th, 2010 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of what Morecrap.? Argentina lol :-))
Check out your own Government's response to any wording in UN documents that appear to give the least support to the Falklands Islands either as a normal 'colony', or subject to 'self determination'. Panic sets in and the Argentine rep immediately attemps to reinterpret a clause that's already been voted through.
Argentina even objects when the islands issue a new stamp!
The Falkland Islands are British ... get used to it!
(52) Pheel
Oct 25th, 2010 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pagina 12 ? :-)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/7902723/Prisoners-escape-after-guards-put-dummy-in-watch-tower.html
Oct 25th, 2010 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0As usual argies lead the way,thanks for the tip on beating the debt,navy wages cut
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/7902723/Prisoners-escape-after-guards-put-dummy-in-watch-tower.html
great story stick, I like the way there is no indication of any disciplinary measures being taken on anyone for that debacle, that sort of slackness must be SOP in Argentina, guess that's why their economy's down the shitter.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0great story stick
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Got it from Briton, the Briton think was taking the piss out of
So you did, great story Briton!
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Yeahhhh....
Oct 25th, 2010 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great story......
Something similar could never happen on Malvinas!
Or could it? :-)))
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5303890.ece
Necro Think
Oct 25th, 2010 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0December 8, 2008
If there's something strange
in your neighborhood
Who you gonna call? - Necro Think!!
If there's something weird
and it don't look good
Who you gonna call? - Necro Think!!
62 Think
Oct 25th, 2010 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, “Cross-Devil!!”, not the official bulletin 12! :-)
Just the UKs PC house-organ........Yeah, The Guardian!!!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/24/iraq-war-logs-hanaan-hamood-matrood
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Oct 25th, 2010 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After worst week of the year, the lion have started “the counter-offensive” :-)
Oct 25th, 2010 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0with Hoyt leading as you can read in #1:
“The zulu are rounding us but Britannia rules the waves”...Don´t dismay, boys!!!.....Roaaaarrrrrmiaaauuu
And if their is no good news, the Brits imagine some :-)))
Oct 25th, 2010 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Breaking News (British brainywashy srtyle)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/10/25/argies-win-falklands-115875-22656810/
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Oct 25th, 2010 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THIMC....
Oct 25th, 2010 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anybody knows what happened with Falklands Royal Police Chief Inspector Paul Elliot after this “Comical Criminal Cocaine” 1 million £ story from 2008?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5303890.ece
Did he just “vanished“ or was he “Blown Away from the Islands ? :-)
Anybody knows what happened with Falklands Royal Police Chief Inspector
Oct 25th, 2010 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I heard he got a job with the Argie prison service Necro Think
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/7902723/Prisoners-escape-after-guards-put-dummy-in-watch-tower.html
hmmm there is something fishy about all this ...
Oct 25th, 2010 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they were sooo ready to repel any argentinian attack ... they wouldn't go around saying: “hey argies, run to the hiils !! look how ready we are”
I really don't care about the islanders as they are plastic brits who got their citizenship two three decades ago
This atrocities did not happen decades ago. I hope they found the weapons of mass destructions.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But the search for truth must begin at home. Ten days from now, the high court in London will hear evidence of torture and unlawful killing of Iraqi civilians at the hands of British forces. The thousands of allegations presented by our clients point to systemic problems at the heart of the UK military system that necessitate a single judicial inquiry into British detention policy in Iraq. Extreme physical violence, hooding, the use of stress positions, and sleep deprivation were apparently standard operating procedure. Of particular concern are the many allegations of sexual abuse, even male rape”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/24/iraq-war-logs-hanaan-hamood-matrood
they are plastic brits
Oct 25th, 2010 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What like the Football headed Argie prison guards
Justin
Oct 25th, 2010 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nobody pretended Guardian link to be anything else that what really is.
Not sure the same with the article up here, and the “casual” comments behind it.
Assurance of a no-risk.
On the 8-years Hanaan death, gunned by UK forces and wikileaked:
You now that “collateral damage” most times is a compendium of cinism. You can decide not to invade, as we have decided in our National Constitution, so “collateral damage” will tend to be zero.
Or can decide to invade, as you do and continue doing, and say that those 68.000 civilians in Iraq are “collateral damage”.
I thought that her fate and the wikileaks should started a true discussion. Not the warmongering garbagge of above.
Excuse me if I´m not being polite.
You now that “collateral damage” most times is a compendium of cinism. You can decide not to invade, as we have decided in our National Constitution, so “collateral damage” will tend to be zero.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or you can stay at home
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124125440
Falklands’ defence ready for any crisis, “including external aggression”
Oct 25th, 2010 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, Harrier and Typhoon “aren't” so sure.
”harrier61
10/22/2010 10:57
Would it be too much to point out that, when the 4 Typhoons were flown to the Falklands, it took 5 days, and very nearly every tanker aircraft the RAF had. So the answer to the question you pose about how long it would take to get a further 12 down there, is 15 days .What a shame that it would take 15 days to get a squadron (12 aircraft) to the Falklands!
Thank you Typhoon for the answer but Argentina is only interested in diplomacy to solve the dispute.
Why do the Brits try to hide their crimes? I mean, you Brits torture people and then you kill them. From the pages of MercoPress you can do nothing to hide it. It's sad because people in the UK, especially in England, are not used to fight for HHRR, they think that HHRR are a joke, that's why they think that torturing and killing people is so great. Seeing the Brits and the “Brits” rejoicing in mass murder of people is repulsive.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OMG
Oct 25th, 2010 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another hard day for the “Islas Malvinas Oilies” at the London Stock Market.
Rockhopper lost more than 6%
Desire, more than 13%
Argos 5%
And that's BEFORE the official bad news of a new dry hole comes to light.
Don't get your panties in a twist Think, It'll take time developing a brand new oil industry but we'll get there so don't fret.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe if you're nice we'll let you sell us some of the stuff we need :-p
(84) Westi
Oct 25th, 2010 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will let us “sell” you some stuff ???
Thats a giant improvment....
Normally you just steal it.....
Normally you just steal it.....
Oct 25th, 2010 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they dont steal from their own,like the Argies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBTZTi758c
stick up your junta #86
Oct 25th, 2010 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wow are you now worried about the HHRR violations? Madres y Abuelas de Plaza de Mayo deserve our respect and your respect too. Those things happened not only in my country, thanx to the U.S. support given to dictactors like Videla.
Next time wash your stinky and your dirty hands before saying or writing something funny about those crimes.
Ask the Scottish, the Irish and the Welsh about stealing and killing. I'm sure they know something about the English that you don't know.
you argies supporters are a disgrace to the thousands of argentine people that went missing and never seen again. We all do bad things ,but to condemn what you do yourself should put you to shame, but sadly that will just get a childish response
Oct 25th, 2010 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4785778&c=SEA&s=AME
I see the french are among others ready to supply brazil with military items, but argentina never to be out done . Turns to the russians for supplies see below.
.............
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4785778&c=SEA&s=AME
trying to keep up with the big boys ???
briton (aka fake British), stop commenting on things without even bothering to learn the basics.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well from a Challenger 2 you can see sweet FA closed down, the allegation they gunned down an 8 yr old on purpose simply because they're foul evil bastards and they could is bollocks. I would imagine the poor sod responsible finds it difficult to live with themselves. Equally I don't know how that grinning Jackanape Blair can live with himself.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I simply find it distasteful that you find it useful as an insult to hurl at the Brits rather than for any real sense of compassion. None of you have been there, none of you know.
89 xbarilox
Oct 25th, 2010 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes sorry, i did not realise you were the expert on these things,
no doubt you will put us all right with your expert opinion
[fool]
your not even argentine, just an imigrant
Ask the Scottish, the Irish and the Welsh about stealing and killing. I'm sure they know something about the English that you don't know.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jees I hit a nerve there xbarilox
you forgot the Cornish
The ones who need compassion are those still alive. The dead don't need compassion, they're dead. People in Iraq need compassion, people in Afghanistan need compassion, people in Lebanon need compassion. You can't say anything about compassion and peace when all you do is say “we're going to destroy your country, you'll see”. All you do is talk about weapons, and death, death, death. The warmonger talks about peace, that's insulting. Don't you think?
Oct 25th, 2010 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two faced hypocrisy.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All I ever hear is your defences are going down, we're going to invade.
Warmonger
Argentina has only ever taken part in [20] military conflicts,
Oct 25th, 2010 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So who are you to claim experience, And most of them were in south America, but then what do i know, im not Argentinean.
You should put your glasses on prior to posting, JustinKuntz.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't need glasses I can read.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has 42 ships in your navy, including 4 destroyers and 3 subs, so where are they all then, [any suggestions]
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Justin 90 & else
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wrote:
“I thought that her fate and the wikileaks should started a true discussion. Not the warmongering garbagge of above.”
You wrote:
“I simply find it distasteful that you find it useful as an insult to hurl at the Brits rather than for any real sense of compassion.”
I can´t see the insult or the distaste source.
What I CAN see in every post is a lot of warmongering mostly british.
I started posting here as a reaction to the reading of warmongering in every british newspaper, talking about bombing and rocketing Argentina, few days after Cameron arrived to 10 DS.
I asked myself: Are these brits crazy or something else is going on?
Pheel BS. All I hear from Argentine posters, is ratchet up the tension, force the British, force the islanders, imposes sanctions, isolate the islanders, all a load of aggressive crap. Soon as cuts to British forces were announced, it was straight in with the empty threats about invading when the British forces wind down.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have 4 Eurofighter, a few hundred troops and a warship. An entirely defensive posture and a routine firing of a air defence missile is exaggerated and blown up into a big deal.
The only aggressive warmongering crap I hear is from you guys, the Brits here are simply taking the piss out of you. And you deserve it.
This atrocities and many more occurred under the democratic British Governments like the glorius Queen's Lancashire Regiment .
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/14/mousa.timeline
Margot you're a prat, a prize prat.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9603/argentina.war/
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9603/argentina.war/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
Justin
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it´s for what anybody deserve...you could start for having 250 islamic terrorist cells at home, surely because you are pure and honest, never a recent savage invader and killer. Do you deserve to live with that?
So keep your pissing bravado at home.
Those events happen 30 years ago during a self elected dictatorship government.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The events in Irak and Afghanistan happen a few years or months ago under the democratic British Governments after an ilegal invasion.
Those events happen 30 years ago during a self elected dictatorship government.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That makes all ok then, plenty of cheering argies about in plaza de mayo on Falklands invasion day
The difference being an organised state dedicated to murdering its own people, which you equate to a few rogue soldiers exceeding authority or a few tragic accidents. I did not then and do not now support the intervention of my Government in Iraq but your comments here have nothing to do with that. You abuse tragedies to make a cheap point on an Internet message board, its pathetic.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those events happen 30 years ago during a self elected dictatorship government.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 01833 T00 far to go back Marcos?
stick up your junta #106
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“That makes all ok then”
Are you hooked on poison, stick?
Are you hooked on poison, stick
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Caught it off the Argie posters
If its peace you want, then just leave the Falklands alone. The British are quiet content with the Falklands living in peace, so if you argies who promote peace on here can accept that fact. Then we can all live in peace.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So there you go, a peace offering , you stay away from the Falklands and except their right to live independently and in peace, and the British will reduce its military by abt 90% , and we all live in peace. Now what kind of response will that get from the argentine bloggers, peace at last, or more war talk.?? [its only an idea ]
@110 stick up your junta
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 01833 T00 far to go back Marcos?
Wasn't that what the europeans did in this land of ours?
“a few rogue soldiers exceeding authority”?
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It details numerous killings by UK armed forces”
“UK armed forces in Iraq have shot and killed Iraqi civilians, including an eight-year-old girl and a guest at a wedding celebration, in situations where there was no apparent threat to themselves or others, says a new report from Amnesty International”
http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/amnesty.htm
http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/amnesty.htm
And Iraqi terrorist have murdered hundreds of innocent soldiers, and more importantly killed and maimed thousand of women and children.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or do you conveniently forget abt that. ??
Yes Amnesty, a human rights group
Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alfredo Astiz is accused of infiltrating human rights groups whose members were later kidnapped.
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Oct 25th, 2010 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a big hypocrite you are Mr. Justin Kuntz…….
First you attempted to “Edit Out” the few but well documented War Crimes committed by British troops against Argentinean Prisoners of War from the Spanish Wikipedia……..
And now you call Wikileaks, perfectly documented +70.000 civilian killings in Iraq for…......”A few rogue soldiers exceeding authority …...or a few tragic accidents”
What a big hypocrite you are Mr. Justin Kuntz…….
well helo think, awake at last. We have missed your imput ?
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Briton, “And Iraqi terrorist have murdered hundreds of innocent soldiers”
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like that eight year old little girl murdered by your army?
You guys are sick.
you guys sadly seem to get off or get some kind of sexual kick out of the tiny innocent victim.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The way you keep on mentioning her,, her family has enough grief already without argentine blogers keeping on bring her name up all the time.
allow this little victim to rest in peace, you should be ashamed of your self, please , talk about something happier
If true, He should be strung up by the bollocks IF TRUE
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A British rifleman shot dead an eight-year-old Iraqi girl as she played in the streets, it was claimed today.
Soldiers were handing out sweets to children in their bid to win 'hearts and minds' when she was allegedly killed.
Solicitor Phil Shiner said: 'The tank stopped at the end of the street, she's there in her yellow dress, a rifleman pops up and blows her away.'
Mr Shiner, of Public Interest Lawyers, made the claim after 400,000 U.S. military reports were posted on whistleblowing website Wikileaks.
Well I wondered how long it would be before our resident muck raking, hypocritical liar from Argentina turned up.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't have long to wait did we Think.
As usual you take something and distort it. What you claim are a few well documented war crime are nothing of the sort. They are allegations of war crimes that have been extensively investigated with the conclusion there was no evidence.
What you call a war crime was a RAMC Sergeant who shot an Argentine soldier beyond help and suffering terribly as he literally burned to death when he disturbed a booby trap your forces had left behind. You are of course aware what the Geneva Convention requires surrendering forces to do about those aren't you? No?
Well let me enlighten you, the Geneva Convention requires you to inform the enemy after surrender to avoid further unnecessary deaths. That is of itself a war crime.
But then unfounded allegations and smears are your stock in trade aren't they, my mendacious little hypocrite.
And the 70,000 killings documented in Wikileaks are in the main sectarian violence, Iraqi on Iraqi. Not the senseless slaughter of innocent civilians by British forces as you claim.
But then it wasn't ever about any sense of moral outrage was it, you lying, sneaky, morally bankrupt arse.
you lying, sneaky, morally bankrupt arse.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont sugar coat it JK
Does anyone recall a time when argentina was the good guy ??
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0119 briton
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you guys sadly seem to get off or get some kind of sexual kick out of the tiny innocent victim.”
Are you aware of what you're writing? Now you come up with monstrosities like paedophilia. You should be banned from accessing this site.
119 briton
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you guys sadly seem to get off or get some kind of sexual kick out of the tiny innocent victim.”
SICK PHEDOPHILE BASTARD
THIMC
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the info I refer about War Crimes in Malvinas (up to 7 Argentinean soldiers allegedly shot after surrender) is in the Spanish Wikipedia with all corresponding links to British media coverage, British books, interwiews and confessions of British troops... ....
Wikileaks is open for everybody and I would, of course, recommend the Guardian coverage of it...
no, you should be banned from keep on bringing this poor little girl into disrepute,, it has nothing to do with the pedo,s just your exited misgivings to this child, so can we argue abt something else.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if that’s ok with you.,, once again you misinterpret your way.
falklands son argentina, I bloody well hope not
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2010/10/25/malnutrition-kills-206-children-in-six-months-in-argentine-province
I hope the British hang this soldier (and Briton for being a sick phedophile) instead of minimize this atrocitie or sweep it under the rug like Justin Kuntz.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://foreign.peacefmonline.com/news/201010/96803.php
(up to 7 Argentinean soldiers allegedly shot after surrender)
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The key word being allegedly, as in the allegation was made. What you don't mention and what was suppressed on the Spanish wikipedia is that the allegations were investigated and found wanting.
The allegations are based on Vincent Bramley's book Excursion to Hell. What is interesting having actually read it, is that the allegations made and relayed third hand was the British shot American mercenaries after the Battle of Mount Longdon to avoid embarassing the Americans.
Its bollocks, there were no American mercenaries.
Now an honest man would have acknowledged that my comments on the Spanish wikipedia were about not reporting unfounded allegation as fact and to include the fact that after investigation no evidence was found. But then our Think isn't an honest man is he? No smears and innuendo and moral cowardice are his stock in trade.
now let the argentine bloggers explain about the 206 children starving to death. Explain that if you can, and you call your self civilised ??
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On a different note...
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's been a beautiful, sunny day down here in the Falklands. Spent the afternoon outside working in my garden and was treated to an arial display by 2 typhoons and a tanker....Ahhhhh! the sound of freedom.
So If you've all finished trading insults about purported warcrimes that have eff all to do with the article has anyone got anything to say about the defence of the Falklands?
http://www.cidcm.umd.edu/mar/assessment.asp?groupId=16002
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes. we will keep to the topic in question. And let the argentinians worry about the eurofighters and the royal navy, that they love to hate, but can do nothing about it but cry lol
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0briton 131 #
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poverty is everywhere in this world. Are you aware of that? There is no explanation at all, because there are millions of people starving to death, everywhere. But, if people like you promotes violence and unchariness instead of peace, truth and jusctice, things are not going to be good.
there are millions of people starving to death
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And 206 in Argentina,a country that wants to run the Falklands what a effing joke
135 xbarilox
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0see [111] we all want peace in this world. And i am very much aware of the poor starving people on the plantet, and what most annoys me personally, is that despite the billions the world gives to places like Africa. Some people still cant get a clean glass of water, and millions die from want, while the greedy rich don’t really care, you are of course correct, violence solves nothing .
Yes but if xbarilox truly believed violence stopped nothing, then he would be equally critical of the likes of Think and his bunch of ardent Malvinistas who believe they can decide the issue through coercion.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But he doesn't.
4 Eurofighters, a single warship and a few hundred troops are a defensive posture, the only reason we have forces in the Falklands at all is that in 1982 his country chose to invade in pursuit of an illogical irrdentists claim revised by a dictator whose a national Argentine hero.
But then Argentine history is replete with Caudillos.
stick up your junta #136
Oct 25th, 2010 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are millions of poor even in the UK. www.poverty.org.uk
But I fail to see how poverty becomes an effing joke, anyway, you better don't bite your tongue, you'll be poisoning yourself.
138 JustinKuntz (#)
Oct 25th, 2010 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes but if xbarilox truly believed violence stopped nothing, then he would be equally critical of the likes of Think and his bunch of ardent Malvinistas who believe they can decide the issue through coercion
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
you are of course correct, violence solves nothing, but adds to the death toll ??
There are millions of poor even in the UK
Oct 25th, 2010 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but they aint starving to death like in argentina
http://www.diabetes.org.uk/About_us/News_Landing_Page/Societys-poorest-most-likely-to-be-obese/
You know chaps it makes no differance what each other says with regards to our home The Argentines saddly were brain washed many years ago and no matter what cure any scientist discovers there is not likely to be a long term cure for this sad illness. Meanwhile we Islanders who are by Argentinian standards are probably overeducated because we knwo so much abour reeal events and never have to make any up.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0200 years from now our future children will be still trying to educate the Argies that we are differant in culture to them and the Argentines will still be brain washing their innocent kids.
THIMC
Oct 25th, 2010 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About: http://en.mercopress.com/2010/10/25/malnutrition-kills-206-children-in-six-months-in-argentine-province
MercoPress, in their eagerness to please their British readers has, again, been a little bit to “eager” and“optimistic” with their translation.
As it can be read in the original article below, those 206 dead children represent the TOTAL child mortality by ALL CAUSES in the Misiones Province during the first 9 months of 2010.
And, as the Governor also says, it represents a 20% REDUCTION in child mortality since last year due to the implementation of two different social plans.
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/10/25/malnutrition-kills-206-children-in-six-months-in-argentine-province
I have also mailed to MercoPress and ask them politely to “get a grip” of themselves and to correct this scandalous piece of trash journalism.
El Think
very interesting reading [think] but it needs to drop by Another 70%
Oct 25th, 2010 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least ?
Kelperabout #142
Oct 25th, 2010 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comment shows tha you are not overeducated. There is an old saying that goes like this: If those who win write the story, that means there's another story.
I want to listen to that story, not the one of the victors.
132 WestisBest “ has anyone got anything to say about the defence of the Falklands?”
Oct 25th, 2010 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My answer is: Who cares.
Are you under the attack of penguins or your useless jets need an emergency landing in the mainland again due to the fog?
142 kelperabout “ Meanwhile we Islanders who are by Argentinian standards are probably overeducated because we knwo so much abour reeal events and never have to make any up.”
“the only way to be unemployed on the islands is to be a resident retiree or an unemployable, native-born drunk.”
http://www.slate.com/id/2217219/
No idea what your point is, marcos, but I enjoyed the article.
Oct 25th, 2010 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jeppp... Good article......
Oct 25th, 2010 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but remember to lock your bike....
kids are wild this days :-)
:-)
Oct 25th, 2010 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good morning all - fair amount of wind and water above I see. Islands still British? Yes? Oh, good, then all is well :-)
Oct 26th, 2010 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bill Nighy was “Bernard Pellegrin” of the FCO at The Loyal Gardener, wasn´t him?
Oct 26th, 2010 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos,
Oct 26th, 2010 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Typhoon IS an allweather fighter - if you bother to check. But its common sense that in peacetime you operate to different safety standards - be it aircraft,ships or rifles and machineguns. In a wartime live action scenario you do things differently.This will no doubt be the same in Arg military and anybody,s military(with possible exception of the Chinese perhaps?
Check you facts before you twitter on these pages - you look more and more silly otherwise.
a couple of typhoons created a very large heart in the sky today and I read that as the British forces were saying to us Islanders “Take Heart we are looking after you” and you no what I would rather see a million pounds of wasted british tax payers money writing and drawing in our skys then witness those creep crawlies that lingered for 74 days in 1982.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0But hey what the heck we cleaned up the mess then and we have made it our business to keep our country clean and free of further polution .
Britain may have made many military cuts recently but Argentina can rest assured what they have retained is more than a match for anything they might have to make any noises with.
It is a pitty that the human race in the world is always war mongering there would be so little suffering if war stopped. Just think of the money that could be used to support those worse off .
On a completely differant theme, What a magnificant job the Chilleans done in rescuing their trapped miners. That was democracy in action when so many around the world supported them. Pitty Argentina would not adopt the same friendship with us because I am sure that there are a great many good people in that Country who are simply to affraid to speak out or offer a hand of friendship .
It occurs to me that if all the idiots on here that refer to the minor left wing rag known as The Guardian, actually purchased it, then it would double its circulation figures !
Oct 26th, 2010 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0It also occurs to me that if the Falkland Islands were American then they would be an organized, unincorporated territory of the United States.
If they were French then they would be an overseas region of France.
If they were Dutch, they'd be “special municipalities” of the Netherlands.
Now I see a trend here. How to get off the C-24 list......... we could make the Falkland Islands a seperate County of England, or merge them with Cornwall perhaps?
But of course, being unreasonable British we actually listen to the islanders' views .... so they'll just have to work their way towards true independence and a seat at the UN .... and maybe a member of the Commonweath :-)
But until that day comes, the Falkland Islands are British ... get used to it.
Excuse the Think tatics
Oct 26th, 2010 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/49234
Luckily, manipulated information….
Oct 26th, 2010 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN measured total child mortality rate in Argentina is 15,5 per 1.000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate
The officialy meassured total child mortality rate in Argentina is 13,8 per 1.000
But the Buenos Aires Herald says:
“In all of Argentina, deaths due to malnourishment are registered at 13.8 out of 1,000, according to official data”
That would mean that in Argentina, every single child’s death is caused by malnourishment…...
No natural causes…
No accidents…..
No sickness…
No crimes…
What a lucky country we are !!!
You forgot the Living Dead,from the pages of the Argies voice of reason
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/21/buenos-aires-slum-drugs-paco
Toxic isn't he, our Think, Argentina once more the “victim” of malign outside influences, which just happen to be “lying” about Argentina's problems. No matter, just readjust the statistics and the problems disappear.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Toxic Avenger's stock in trade, lying and manipulation, no wonder he flings such accusations with gay abandon, he really “thinks” that way himself.
Easy to be philosophical about such things when you're sitting pretty in BA with your head in the sand.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could it be Think that your officially measured child mortality rate is wrong, over 10% from malnutrition is still pretty bad for a country which supposedly could starve the UK because we all eat soya beans and eat corn beef hash :)
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0154 Hoytred
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Guardian illness has spread at astonishing speed.
Here is a list of media that echoed about the Wikileaks:
Links in full
• S Tavernise and A W Lehren | New York Times | A Grim Portrait of Civilian Deaths
• David Leigh |Guardian | Iraq war logs: Introduction
• H Dardagan and J Sloboda | Guardian | Why Iraq has the right to know
• Patrick Cockburn | Independent | Echoes of El Salvador
• Der Spiegel | Greatest data leak in US military history
• G Miller and P Finn | Washington Post | Files offer grim new details
• Daily Mail | US fury as reports leaked
Who assembled this list?
“the minor left wing rag known as” BBC.
:-)
Pee - the Wikileaks story is not relevant to anything on these pages, so it is not in my circle of interest.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now articles on the Falkland Islands would be .... so let's stick to the point shall we?
Are the Brits still trying to justify the unjust?
Oct 26th, 2010 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Deutschland über alles” Piñera dixit roflmao
Oct 26th, 2010 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0# 164 malvinas-argentina Te van a eliminar el comentario por no estar escrito en Inglés. Ojalá no lo reporten. Saludos.
When are you Brits gonna do something more than feeble threats? We'll see who's on your side and you'll see who's on our side.
Coytred are you trying to sweep these reports of atrocities by UK forces under the rug like J. Kuntz?
Oct 26th, 2010 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One lieutenant colonel told the inquiry he took the view that photographs of the mistreatment “would be extremely detrimental to our image”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/25/uk-military-interrogation-manuals
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/25/uk-military-interrogation-manuals
Sitting alongside WikiLeaks boss Julian Assange at a news conference in London, Mr Shiner said: ‘For some reason the tank stopped at the end of the street, she’s there in her yellow dress, a rifleman pops up and blows her away.’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/25/uk-military-interrogation-manuals
Assange is a psychotic. Shiner is just your usual greedy lawyer. Both would be at home in Argentina!
Oct 26th, 2010 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0w
Oct 26th, 2010 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/25/uk-military-interrogation-manuals
The parrilla was used in a number of countries in South America, including Argentina during the dirty war in the 1970s and 80s and Brazil. In Chile during the Pinochet regime (1973 to 1990) it became notorious as a routine tool of interrogation.
The victim was stripped totally naked, then lain on his or her back on a metal frame, often a bed-frame. Straps were used to restrain the victim in a position convenient for torture, with legs spread and arms either above the head or away from the sides of the body. The straps were tightened to prevent movement.
Electricity was drawn from a standard wall socket and fed through a control box to the victim by two wires terminating in electrodes. The control on the box allowed the torturers to adjust the voltage and thus the severity of the electric shocks.
What's your point stickie? We were the victims of that self elected govenment backed by US 30 years ago.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Irakis are the victims of democratic elected UK and US government and their illegal invasion.
@stick up you junta- In those years Argentina was a country ruled by a dictatorial government, a bunch of mother f*ckers that killed thousands of people. The UK has a parlamentary democracy, but even so, they torture and kill people.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We were the victims of that self elected govenment backed by US 30 years ago.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Crowds gathered once again on April 2, 1982 and several occasions thereafter to hail de facto President Leopoldo Galtieri for Argentina's invasion of the Falkland Islands, which launched the Falklands War
but even so, they torture and kill people.
Who is they?
You RG's were victims? Awwwww...Somebody pass me a violin, until you stops celebrating Galtieri's actions and perpetuating his international policies you're not going to get much sympathy on that score.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“is” they? It's WHO “ARE” THEY? Are you sure you're British, stick?
Oct 26th, 2010 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and your answer xbarilox?
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's your point stickie? We were the victims of that self elected govenment backed by US 30 years ago.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in Argentina the invasion was wildly popular. The anti-junta demonstrations were replaced by patriotic demonstrations in support of Galtieri. In the morning of April 2, 1982, the first day of the invasion, a small group of people gathered in the historic Plaza de Mayo, across from the Casa Rosada, the government site. After a while Galtieri showed up on one of the balconies (not the same used by Perón but one located to the left of it) and raised his hands to cheer the small group of supporters. A
Argentines are criminal murderers. All of them. No exceptions. Any Argentine who was alive in 1982. Any Argentine born since that subscribes to the lie that the Falklands belongs to that cesspit called Argentina. A criminal country that learned its guiding principles from Nazis. Argentines must, necessarily, be treated like any other scum. This includes removing them from this fair planet.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@WestisBest- “They” are those British that torture and kill people in Iraq, and Afghanistan. Are you happy now? Do you need a map?
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess you are as British as stick up your junta, Briton, Hoytred and fred lol
Kids!
They” are those British that torture and kill people
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Names?
you know like
Alfredo Astiz
Miguel Osvaldo Etchecolatz
Cardinal Bergoglio
stick up your junta, you're going mad lol Don't worry, I always knew you were a nasty Chilean.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hi guys just popped in, and i see my name mentioned by [xbarilox]
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nice to know im not forgotton ??
you're going mad
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not as Mad as you Argies that cant have the Falklands
We'll have them Chileno, we'll have them. Quedate tranquilo, chileno cochino.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice! What a sunny day!
i see the argies are finding items on thec brits to show, to show how bad some may have been. So i thought the argies would liketo see something about themselves for a change ??
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_flights
just a thought
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Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The net is full of this “Green Eyed Heroes” names…….
Hundreds of them…
Here some that already have been on trial:
Colonel Jorge Mendonca, Queen's Lancashire Regiment
Corporal Donald Payne, Queen's Lancashire Regiment
L/Cpl Wayne Crowcroft, Duke of Lancaster's Regiment
Private Darren Fallon, Duke of Lancaster's Regiment
Sargent Kelvin Stacey, Duke of Lancaster's Regiment
Major Michael Peebles, Intelligence Corps
Warrant Officer Mark Davies, Intelligence Corps
Private Alexander Johnston, King's Own Scottish Borderers
Just 2 minutes googling was enough....
They “pop up” like mushrooms in October....
so what about argentinian bad guys, or are you all angels
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0briton- news flash----> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_flights
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0briton = latinoamericano avergonzado de serlo = worthless
I gotta go now! You people have fun together!
worthles mmmmmmm just like ours,
Oct 26th, 2010 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Goodnight Xbarilox, sleep tight no british nightmares lolol.
see you all tomorrow,,,,,
Xbarilox (182)
Oct 26th, 2010 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We'll have them Chileno, we'll have them.”
Cor! talking about the Falklands Xbollox, that was almost pertinent, well done.
Just 2 minutes googling was enough
Oct 26th, 2010 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pity you didnt read what you googled think
Hundreds of them?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-442018/A-witch-hunt-cost-20m.html
Stick, Not exactly those demostrations were in favor of Galtieri. This general used a national cause because he was just about to get his rear end kicked out of office with his military friends, the short war of 82 was just a minor delay. The first day this drunk took over the gov. I said to myself we are fu..ed.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0184 Think , Just 2 minutes googling was enough....
They “pop up” like mushrooms in October.... hahaha
How proud must be the Queen to have this regiment full of criminals
“Queen's Lancashire Regiment”
and fu..ed you remain, that's his legacy for as long as you hold onto his ideals, move on Argentina.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On September 8, 1977, about a year and a half after the coup d'état that started the dictatorship of the National Reorganization Process, Bravo was kidnapped by a government task force while he was teaching. He remained “disappeared” until September 20, and was only released in 1979. During his detention he was tortured, which left him with vascular damage in his legs. Bravo recognized Buenos Aires Provincial Police officer Miguel Etchecolatz and General Ramón Camps as his torturers.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bobbies on the beat,gets new meaning in alice in argieland
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Oct 26th, 2010 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did choose that specific case for a good reason....
Our Civil courts put our uniformed bastards in jail.
Your military courts acquit everybody (unless they confesss)
I hope that this Wikileaks case will open the eyes of the British people...
Our Civil courts put our uniformed bastards in jail
Oct 26th, 2010 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they dont die of old age first
On 16 March 1990 Alfredo Astiz was convicted and sentenced in absentia to life imprisonment by a French Assize Court for his role in the torture and disappearance of the two French nuns, Alice Domon and Léonie Duquet. French law allows trials, in absentia if necessary, of foreigners accused of breaking French laws in other jurisdictions if the crimes are committed against French nationals.[4]
Astiz has been arrested several times in Argentina since his repatriation after the Falklands War but no prosecution against him has been successful. In 2003 the Argentine Supreme Court declared the amnesty laws
introduced during the transition to democracy (Ley de Obediencia Debida and Ley de Punto Final) unconstitutional. Legal action has since been taken against Astiz, and France is still waiting for his extradition.
Astiz has been in jail for the last 12 years and will quite probably die there...
Oct 26th, 2010 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way.... You Brits captured Mr. Astiz in the Georgias in 1982,..... you took him to London,..... the French asked you Brits to deport him to France... You choose not to deliver him to France but send him back to Argentina as a free man ....
The fact remain that the British Military Courts have until dato automatically acquited everybody.
The fact remain that the British Military Courts have until dato automatically acquited everybody.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0shit happens
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/10/iraq-red-cap-murders-court
Exactly.......
Oct 26th, 2010 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your British Military Courts have the same level of credibility as the Iraqui Courts....
As I said before, I hope that this Wikileaks case will open the eyes of the British people...
The fact remain that the British Military Courts have until dato automatically acquited everybody
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0short on facts tonight Think?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319861/Two-civilians-jailed-court-martial-vicious-attack-Iraq.html
Are you stupid or what???
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you send me a link of a pair of drunken Scots beating another Scot?
UK-Argentinian Condominium, with a 100% demilitarized FI and EEZ, overseen by a token UN presence. There, problem solved. Now, let's move on.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you stupid or what???
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now now Think
The fact remain that the British Military Courts have until dato automatically acquited everybody
“UK-Argentinian Condominium, with a 100% demilitarized FI and EEZ, overseen by a token UN presence. There, problem solved. Now, let's move on.”
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Major sticking point for Argentina would be the 'FI and EEZ' part I reckon, they'd never accept that, also joint sovereignty would be at best a poor compromise both for UK and for Argentina.
(201) Stick
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Until now I have found your “Simpleton” comments amusing and even “usefull” when you bring to light the atrocities comitted by the Argentinean Dictatorship.....
But man you are a.... “total turnip”
Have a nice life.....
WestisBest, Yes we will move on...after UK stop stealing our natural resources and return Malvinas to Argentina.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good morning all - the sun's shining, God's in His heaven (he's British by the way :-), and the Falkland Islands are still British .... wonderful, all is well with the world.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0God alone knows what you lot have been rambling on about overnight? The relevance to the Falklands quite escapes me.
But then, if it makes you happy I suppose it's ok :-)
Morecrap, #204 breaks the trend and actually has some relevance, so I'll respond.
1) In most sytems of criminal law, it's quite impossible to steal that which you own outright!
2) the term 'return' suggests that you've had them before ... quite wrong!
But man you are a.... “total turnip
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I made it to Thinks turnip list :-))))))))))
http://momento24.com/en/2010/08/26/ex-repressor-says-tortured-as-humanely-as-possible/
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Former ESMA intelligence officer Antonio Pernías, accused of crimes against humanity, said that the torture applied during the dictatorship were “as humanely as possible.”
From the “Think” school of reporting methinks.
http://momento24.com/en/2010/08/26/ex-repressor-says-tortured-as-humanely-as-possible/
I was googling for whether Astiz was in jail in or not, seeing as “El Think” wouldn't recognise the truth if it leapt up and bit him on the arse.
http://momento24.com/en/2010/08/26/ex-repressor-says-tortured-as-humanely-as-possible/
Oops he isn't, well who would have thought it, Think lying, again.
Coytred, ”1) In most sytems of criminal law, pirates are sent to jail and stolen goods return to the owner.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and Think claims that no British soldiers have been convicted...
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4290435.stm
Lying again. Who would have thought it.
Still don't judge him too harshly, when your standards are that low you tend to assume others follow suit.
Pirates again eh....yawn.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look it up fool.
Think King of the Turnips
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the French asked you Brits to deport him to France... You choose not to deliver him to France but send him back to Argentina as a free man
http://momento24.com/en/2010/04/23/alfredo-astiz-extradition-to-france-was-rejected/
Go to bed little boy or the pirate Drake will get you.
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Colonel Jorge Mendonca, Queen's Lancashire Regiment
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corporal Donald Payne, Queen's Lancashire Regiment
L/Cpl Wayne Crowcroft, Duke of Lancaster's Regiment
Private Darren Fallon, Duke of Lancaster's Regiment
Sargent Kelvin Stacey, Duke of Lancaster's Regiment
Major Michael Peebles, Intelligence Corps
Warrant Officer Mark Davies, Intelligence Corps
Private Alexander Johnston, King's Own Scottish Borderers.........
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/14/mousa.timeline
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/14/mousa.timeline
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/14/mousa.timeline
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-442018/A-witch-hunt-cost-20m.html
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/sep/12/iraqi-citizen-murders-servicemen-suspects
Oct 26th, 2010 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0from the desk of Think,king of the turnips
Oct 27th, 2010 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Astiz has been in jail for the last 12 years and will quite probably die there
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_29111.shtml
#208 - quite right Morecrap, and we haven't been sent to jail so we must be innocent of your charges ..... even you should be able to work that out!
Oct 27th, 2010 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0217 Rotted, Normally people that investigate themselves are found innocent of any charges, However sometimes justice is slow but swift.
Oct 27th, 2010 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Count your last days in Malvinas and Southern Hemisphere.
Morecrap ... not sure that I can count that high :-)
Oct 27th, 2010 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0In reference to post (209)
Oct 27th, 2010 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well I had missed that one………………..
I will have to complement my previous comment at (193) then…….:
Your military courts acquit everybody… (unless they confess or are so daft to develop their”torture souvenirs pictures” in Britain!!! )
Quote from the article:
“The abuse came to light when photographs taken by a fourth soldier, Gary Bartlam, were left in a Staffordshire shop to be developed”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4290435.stm
Cooley was found guilty on two charges - one of disgraceful conduct of a cruel kind after he drove a forklift truck with a bound Iraqi suspended from the prongs.
Oct 27th, 2010 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0He was also convicted of simulating a punch - a picture of which was shown in the court.
develop their”torture souvenirs pictures” in Britain!!! )
The parrilla was used in a number of countries in South America, including Argentina during the dirty war in the 1970s and 80s and Brazil. In Chile during the Pinochet regime (1973 to 1990) it became notorious as a routine tool of interrogation.
The Spanish word parrilla [paˈriʎa] means a cooking grill or barbecue of the type commonly found in South American countries. By gruesome analogy, the metal frame used in the torture was given the same name because of its appearance and because the victim was placed on top of it like the meat on a barbecue. The parrilla is both the metal frame and the method of torture
Not in your league King of.
Well Think, considering how desperate the British media was at the time, the worst they could find was that. The Daily Mirror was so desperate it even accepted and published fake pictures. The few perpetrators were caught, sentenced and punished.
Oct 27th, 2010 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0A few bad apples, as opposed to a systematic, state organised machine as in Argentina.
Whilst I do not agree with the invasion of Iraq, let us actually look at what was removed:
The al-Anfal Campaign:
The genocidal al-Anfal Campaign (1986-1989), in which Hussein's administration called for the extermination of every living thing--human or animal--in certain regions of the Kurdish north. All told, some 182,000 people--men, women, and children--were slaughtered, many through use of chemical weapons. The Halabja poison gas massacre of 1988 alone killed over 5,000 people.
The Campaign Against the Marsh Arabs:
Hussein did not limit his genocide to identifiably Kurdish groups; he also targeted the predominantly Shiite Marsh Arabs of southeastern Iraq, the direct descendants of the ancient Mesopotamians. By destroying more than 95% of the region's marshes, he effectively depleted its food supply and destroyed the entire millennia-old culture, reducing the number of Marsh Arabs from 250,000 to approximately 30,000.
Not to mention the massacres in the South following the 1991 Gulf War.
Then there was the day to day atrocities, the “rape rooms”, arbitrarily machine gunning protestors, slaughter of the children of his opponents, arbitrary execvutions, torture, your run of the mill Middle Eastern tyrant. And in the space of 10 years he'd caused two major wars.
I'm glad he's gone personnally but they really fucked up the peace. But as Stick points out, they are amateurs compared with what went on in Argentina. Don't judge others by your own standards.
About double standards...fresh comments from The Beloved Guardian:
Oct 27th, 2010 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/26/dmitry-medvedev-nato-russia
...Not invading other people's countries is certainly a policy the Nato allies would like to encourage – unless of course it is them doing the invading, in which case it's different...
This is the only point that matters.
Expect to be answered by:
1 deniers of this policies - some of them truly innocents.
2 now you know, take care, so Argies- warmongers that understand the real UK
During his detention he was tortured, which left him with vascular damage in his legs. Bravo recognized Buenos Aires Provincial Police officer Miguel Etchecolatz and General Ramón Camps as his torturers
Oct 27th, 2010 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHEN CONSTABULARY DUTY'S TO BE DONE, TO BE DONE,
A ARGIE POLICEMAN'S LOT IS NOT A HAPPY ONE
Dear readers: I am Argentinean and I live in Buenos Aires. I read with amazement your concern about a possible foreign invasion (Argentina). I do not know the sources of information, but they are selling “smoke” to readers. That will not happen while democratic governments are in power. The claims are channeled through international organizations. I want to clarify that not argue about who should have sovereignty over the islands, but it is amazing to read that Argentina is a military conflict scenario. Visit the pages of the Argentine armed forces and military equipment will have. Argentines today are not drunk as Galtieri. Excuse my English, but I use the Google translator. A hug from Buenos Aires and my respects to the people of the islands.
Oct 28th, 2010 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Escuchar
Leer fonéticamente
We aren't overly concerned, If we was the defence force on the islands would have grown rather rapidly.
Oct 28th, 2010 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the 'invasion' talk is merely politics suurounding the Defence Review. Good headlines for those opposed. Interestingly, it has had the benefit of reminding the British population about 1982 and our sovereignty over the islands. Reminds the politicians too that they would fiddle with the islands ownership at their peril. Bit of a wake-up call never goes amiss :-)
Oct 29th, 2010 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aye that Hoytred, same as the tug/sub incident ..good kick up the political ass!
Oct 29th, 2010 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Miguel, common sense always welcome!
226 Zethee , “ If we was ”
Oct 30th, 2010 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Zethee intellect is clearly malnourished (pay back) :-)
Touché.
Oct 30th, 2010 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0(227) Hoyt
Oct 30th, 2010 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”All the 'invasion' talk is merely politics surrounding the Defense Review.”
I say:
100% correct.
You say:
”Good headlines for those opposed.”
I say:
100% correct.
You say:
” Interestingly, it has had the benefit of reminding the British population about 1982 and our sovereignty over the islands.”
I would add:
And the REAL reason for it, in the new light shed by recent British history in Iraq and the South-Atlantic.
And the REAL cost of “defending” them (+700 million £ a year has been mentioned) if the current BSA-POA (British South Atlantic- Pirate Oil Adventure) doesn’t succeed.
You say:
“Reminds the politicians too that they would fiddle with the islands ownership at their peril.”
I say:
100% correct.
You say:
“Bit of a wake-up call never goes amiss.”
I say:
100% correct :-)
REAL cost of “defending” them (+700 million £ a year has been mentioned)
Oct 30th, 2010 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Worth every penny
Now if they cut this
http://money.uk.msn.com/emergency-budget-2010/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=153849572
”And the REAL cost of “defending” them (+700 million £ a year has been mentioned)”
Oct 30th, 2010 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's been mentioned but I understand there's actually £70 million budgeted for the cost of the defence of the Falklands so I think someone got their decimal point in the wrong place. I've also heard that they rarely use all of the budget, usually it is about half that, no idea if there's any truth in that mind so make of it what you will.
(233) Westi
Oct 30th, 2010 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice try but.........
No decimal point error mate :-)
Total, “all inclusive” official reviewed cost of “Fortress Malvinas”: 2% of UK's defence budget or about 700.000.000£
And for those of you that “Think” that cutting British “Overseas Aid” would be a smart thing to do, I have only one thing to say:……………... Please do it!
The “Aid Industry” is a very profitable business for Europe….
Long story,…… but, when all details are taken into consideration, it is estimated that every Euro that Europe “donates” to the “Poor World” returns a profit to the “Donor Countres” of between 12 to 20% per year………
Educate yourself about the issue… It’s quite fascinating
REAL cost of “defending” them (+700 million £ a year has been mentioned)
Oct 30th, 2010 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Worth every penny
Now if they cut this
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/28052010/389/cost-benefit-fraud-revealed.html
From the Daily Mail, march 3rd this year......
Oct 30th, 2010 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0New figures published by the Government show the budget for stationing the Armed Forces 8,000 miles away from Britain has plummeted from £143million in 2005-06 to £69million in 2010-11.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254773/Falklands-defence-spending-plunges-50-cent-years.html#ixzz13sKApiDn
European Fighter Aircraft: Falkland Islands
Oct 30th, 2010 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Burstow: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what estimate has been made of the cost of deploying Eurofighters to the Falkland Islands; and if he will make a statement.
Bill Rammell: The cost of deploying Typhoon aircraft to the Falkland Islands was £1.56 million.
A further £416,000 was allocated for one-off infrastructure costs at Mount Pleasant Permanent Joint Operating Base associated with the changeover from Tornado F3 to Typhoon. Additionally the cost of returning the Tornado F3 airframes to the UK was £800,000.
.http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2010/10/13/asylum-seeker-housing-move-may-cost-200k/
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2010/10/13/asylum-seeker-housing-move-may-cost-200k/
(236) Monty 66
Oct 30th, 2010 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am talking of the “NEW OFICCIAL REVIEWED, “ALL INCLUSIVE” COST of the “Malvinas fortress”.
That means they have calculated how much money they can save in total by closing shop in Malvinas, firing the staff and retiring to headquarters…..
The same kind of review they made about British occupation troops and bases in Germany….
And they are closing and leaving….
Let’s just take wages as a cost example:
Must be about 2.000 souls in Malvinas getting paid by the MOD….
( Army, RAF, RN, civilian personnel etc. etc.)
Let’s say that each earns an average of 30.000 £ per year…..
http://www.armedforces.co.uk/armypayscales.htm
30.000 x 2.000 = 60.000.000£
That is 60 million pounds just in wages mate….. Just in wages!!!
Who is the brainwashed now?
You seem to be quoting something but you don't actually say what. Where are you getting this from?
Oct 30th, 2010 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And aside from that, if I thought i could get £30 000 a year for cleaning the toilets at MPA, I'd do it. Sadly, you have to be a warrant officer or higher to get that sort of money and how many of those do you think there are?
And besides, do you think they would all get the sack, really? The poor old St Helenians earning 2p and hour would all be on the first boat back and everyone else would carry on with the same old stuff somewhere else.
Not much of an economist are you think, you need to learn the difference between deployment and employment. In a nutshell: The MOD are going to make a certain amount of cuts in expenditure, it really does not matter where the people or hardware are deployed, if they want to save money by axing the Falklands garrison they'll have done the maths like this: the cost of deployment in the Falkland Islands is the cost incured by the distance from the UK (cost of chartered flights, he MOD shipping link & the additional fuel costs for Navy assets) and the additional cost of running such a small tri-service base as MPA & Mare Harbour (relatively expensive due to it's size). Work it out Think, whatever the cuts the MOD will deploy it's assets as neccessary. So far the maintainence of a garrison here is deemed to be neccessary. Anyway why should you care? It's no skin off your nose either way.
Oct 30th, 2010 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 02.6m on incapacity benefit will be forced to have medical assessments
Oct 30th, 2010 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0New figures reveal payouts of £1.8bn for stress and depression
1,000 claimaints got £5m for being 'too fat' to work
£10m went to those incapacitated by headaches
Falklands defence, money well spent
30.000 x 2.000 = 60.000.000£
WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOX
The Falklands is defended by
2nd Lieutenant's
+4 Level 10 £32,702
+3 Level 9 £31,920
+2 Level 8 £31,146
+1 Level 7 £30,368
” ... And the REAL cost of “defending” them (+700 million £ a year has been mentioned) ...”
Oct 31st, 2010 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite cottect Think, that figure has indeed been mentioned ...... by you I seem to recall, although your sources and calculations appear somewhat vague. Still, nothing in the press about UK citizens being up in arms about the cost of funding the Falkland Islands defence. Quite a bit of amunition in the war of words whereby the rallying cry of the 'Falklands' is being used to fight cuts in the defence budget.
Some people seem to think that shouting about the defence of the islands is a worthwhile strategy. Looking at the politicians responses ... I think they may be right. The costs don't appear to be making any difficulties for them.
Must be cheap then!
Nope,...nothing in the “free” press yet..... Maybe in the future?..... Who knows.....
Oct 31st, 2010 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway think, I understand the cuts mean there's going to be period when Britain does not have much in the way of carriers and naval air assets, you reckon they're going to abandon an airbase down here? dream on.
Oct 31st, 2010 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on, Think, if you can't say where it came from you shouldn't be saying it. And a dig at the 'free' press is very weak; you know as well as I do that they are free, but not free to make things up.
Oct 31st, 2010 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0THIMC
Oct 31st, 2010 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My reasons for not giving away a specific link to the “Fortress Malvinas 2% of the Defence Budget cost calculations” are various.
1) Everybody in here (and I mean “everybody”, the intelligent ones, the wackos and the turnips) keep telling me how dumb, manipulated and brainwashed we Argentineans are.
2) As it took me the better half of an hour to find this info from British sources on the Internet;.... I am not serving it to you for free…..
DYOR…. And try to shake your own brainwash a little :-)
3) It amazes me that people can “play so naïve” as to publicly pretend that a defense operation of the scope, size and caliber of “Fortress Malvinas” could be run for only 70 million £ a year!
Did I mention Brainwash???
And finally,…..
Conjecturing about the MoD reasons to produce such “Falkland Islands Defence - Expenditure Draft Review”, I came to the conclusion that:
This “Draft Documentation” will be the basis for the “Invoice” to be presented to the FIG(leaf) in the (god forbid) eventuality of a successful British Oil Pirate Adventure….
Eventually, the Malvinas mineral resources would end, under the patronage of their “Squatter Population”, financing the destabilizing British Military presence in the South Atlantic as a “leverage” for further appropriations in the region.
Needles to say, Argentina does not like the idea.
The new development is that the whole Region is beginning to dislike it too…..
“Squatter Population”?
Oct 31st, 2010 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hang about, this is official Argentine Government propaganda then.
First Turnip :-)
Oct 31st, 2010 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have something to say about your 'conclusion'. I can't name my source because it isn't written down. It's word of mouth from someone who was there.
Oct 31st, 2010 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, I can tell you that when there was more money sloshing around from fishing than there is now, FIG offered to pay cash towards the defence of the islands and was refused. The reason given was that the British forces are not mercenaries for hire. They will either defend us or not, but money is not the issue.
No doubt if the oil revenues start to flow, then large sums of money will change hands; this is understood by everyone and is completely fair.But there won't be an invoice, no matter what your 'top secret source that's too important to reveal' tells you.
Your's,
Second Turnip
Rich coming from you Think with your unsubstantiated “facts”, if scorning such drivel means we are classed by you as “turnips” then so be it, turnip I am. BTW did you actually read my post about how deployment works?
Oct 31st, 2010 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh yes and regarding:
“Needles to say, Argentina does not like the idea.
The new development is that the whole Region is beginning to dislike it too…..”
Oh yeah? pull your head out of your arse think, like the Chileans and the Uruguayians for instance? the rest of the region don't give a stuff what Argentina thinks, they pay lip service to your moaning about the Falklands (except maybe for the portly despotic one Hugo Chavez who'd do anything to hang on to his only friend in South America).
(249) Monty
Oct 31st, 2010 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do disagree with your final evaluation........
You are confortable placed on my “intelligent (”with thumbs up for avoicance of unnecessary coarse language ”, for what it is worth:-) list”............
(250) Westi
Second turnip turns up :-)
#246 -Thinky ....
Oct 31st, 2010 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) the Argentine people are taught the 'official' history of the Falkland Islands at school ... but you do not consider this 'indoctrination” ?
2)You state your conclusions without providing any evidence ?
3) Yet another un-evidenced conclusion ...
“and finally ...” Another unevidenced conclusion.
Your opinions are fine, but to dress them up as based on substantial information, whilst refusing to identify the substantial information is a tactic doomed ...
“ ... destabilizing British Military presence in the South Atlantic ...”
Who are we destabilising after 177 (nearly 178) years in situ ??
“ ... for further appropriations in the region....”
Where?
“ ... The new development is that the whole Region is beginning to dislike it too….. ”
A moot point, Chile is looking further afield, as is Brazil .....Beware your 'friends' ... enemies are easy compared !!
(252) Hoyt
Oct 31st, 2010 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Young lad…….
1) The British people are taught the 'official' history of the British Empire at school ... don’t you consider this 'indoctrination” ?
2) Yes, I intentionally do… I believe in the Calvinist principles of hard work :-)
3) Just the personnel costs of running “Fortress Malvinas” are higher than 70 million! Mathematics are “universal evidence”
”And finally ...” Another unevidenced conclusion”…..
Yeahhh…, unevidenced, but it makes a lot of sense ….. Doesn’t it? :-)
The evidence is there for anybody with a computer and a internet connection…
Don’t be so lazy lad….
Making you people ”Think” for yourselves is my ”tactical” motivation and my ”strategic” goal.
Rest of your points are quite rhetorical as well as self-evident ….
No need to comment on them..
Right?
Hah! I knew Monty had as much chance of claiming “second turnip” as Argentina has of retaking the Falkland Islands. ;-P
Oct 31st, 2010 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding you 'list': not exactly persuasive Think, here's how it appears to me,
You stumbled onto some British newspaper column somewhere where the author had massaged the figures to come up with a sum that was controversial (as long as you didn't think too much about it) to suit his/hers argument, you (as you insist on doing for some reason) immediately said “Aha! This figure is in the paper so it must be true” and posted it as a 'fact' on here. Now you've had people who DO know a bit about it pour scorn on your 'fact' you're trying to cover up your naivete by refusing to reveal your source (such as it is) and inventing absurd reasons for this refusal to attempt to justify it.
Prove me wrong Think.
A Turnip is never “wrong”...
Oct 31st, 2010 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a Turnip....
As it took me the better half of an hour to find this info from British sources
Oct 31st, 2010 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And we are Turnips?
Turnip Season!
Oct 31st, 2010 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Third turnip turns up :-)
Falklands defence, money well spent
Oct 31st, 2010 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Justice Secretary Ken Clarke suggested millions could be saved from the £2.2billion prisons budget by jailing fewer offenders and slashing sentences
Could save quite a bit if we adopt the Argie penal system
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49979
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49979
A recurring theme is Think making some outrageous claim he asserts is supported by some source. When you challenge him he doesn't produce the goods.
Oct 31st, 2010 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another recurring theme is creepy Think cyberstalking contributors.
He may call people turnips but then all he is just a fart. A blast of hot air, embarassment and leaves a foul odour in passing.
First Wacko :-)
Oct 31st, 2010 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The evidence is there for anybody with a computer and a internet connection
Oct 31st, 2010 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As it took me the better half of an hour to find this info from British sources
The Government plans departmental spending through the process of the spending reviews. As part of most recent settlement, the Defence Budget is set to increase from a baseline of £32.6Bn in 2007/08 to £36.9Bn in 2010/11
Come on think, show us the Fruits of your labour
2% of £36.9Bn
#253 - Sorry to disappoint Think, but there's not much mentioned about the British Empire these days in schools, the powers that be don't wish to offend a dozen or more ethnic minorities. So no, no indoctrination there!
Oct 31st, 2010 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the rest, well you just dodged answering, nothing more. Wind and water Think, wind and water :-)
“A Turnip is never “wrong”...
Nov 01st, 2010 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is a Turnip....”
Are you saying I'm correct Think, perhaps you should read it again....
”You stumbled onto some British newspaper column somewhere where the author had massaged the figures to come up with a sum that was controversial (as long as you didn't think too much about it) to suit his/hers argument, you (as you insist on doing for some reason) immediately said “Aha! This figure is in the paper so it must be true” and posted it as a 'fact' on here. Now you've had people who DO know a bit about it pour scorn on your 'fact' you're trying to cover up your naivete by refusing to reveal your source (such as it is) and inventing absurd reasons for this refusal to attempt to justify it.”
PROVE! me wrong think, you're either a fabricator of untruths or a person of limited intellect (aka a liar or a fool) unless you can PROVE! otherwise, are you going to? eh?
Agree with Hoyt on this one, Think. There is no mention of the British Empire at primary school, none in years 7-9, and you'd have to search quite hard to find a GCSE syllabus that taught it. It does crop up at A-level.
Nov 01st, 2010 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0And history is not taught according to any official line; students are taught to search out any evidence they like and evaluate it critically. So no, no indoctrination at all.
I do actually know what I'm talking about on this one. I'll bombard you with objectives and outcomes from the British National Curriculum if you really annoy me :-)
(264) Monty 69
Nov 01st, 2010 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I bow to your expertise about the teaching of British history at British schools.
I was obviously wrong.
In my vast ignorance about the subject, I assumed that such an fundamental chapter of your Nation’s body and soul as the “British Empire” would be taught at school.
Anyhow………..It must be quite a malabaristic feat to educate about the last 500 years of British history without mentioning the Empire.
Some funny parallels come to mind though……………….
When I was a kid at school, Argentinean history just “stopped” about 1850…….
My own kids have attended school in two minor European ex-colonial countries.
No mention of their “Colonial Past” either, as I recall.
Omission seems to be a kind of indoctrination too………….
Doesn’t it?
“ I assumed that such an fundamental chapter of your Nation’s body and soul as the “British Empire” would be taught at school.”
Nov 01st, 2010 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Monty69 merely means the Empire is not tought as a topic in early years Think, It's not like there's a commandment “thou shalt not mention the Empire”. If you do learn about the Empire in British schools at a later level it's covered as objectively as any other historical topic.
“”In my vast ignorance about the subject,”
Correct.
Why would we force the history of the British Empire, which ended soon after WW2, into the minds of young children three or four generations later? I mean, would Argentina force the history of the Dirty War into the minds of it's young children?
Nov 01st, 2010 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The difference here is we don't politically indoctrinate our young children with a false history; we spend years teaching them to make their own decisions based on facts, and this includes exploring the validity of any facts presented; they are expected to explore all sources of valid and referenced evidence, and draw their own conclusions. As they get older they get better at it.
It is not surprising that Argentina, with its flawed democracy, would present a flawed and falsely evidenced political history as a deliberate means of indoctrinating young minds; you 'Think', are a product of that flawed educational system, and therefore 'your' expressed views are always going to be subjected to to the litmus test of political indoctrination, indeed you could be regarded as a flawed person if it were not known that anyone who has been brain-washed can be rehabilitated; your first step is to accept the fact that you need help, probably the hardest step you'll ever make.
Any British GCE 'A' Level Student would be able to tell you that.
History Curriculum
Nov 01st, 2010 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://curriculum.qca.org.uk/uploads/QCA-07-3335-p_History3_tcm8-189.pdf
Page 6 of pdf:
h the development of trade, colonisation, industrialisation and technology, the British Empire and its impact on different people in Britain and overseas, pre-colonial civilisations, the nature and effects of the slave trade, and resistance and decolonisation
Explanatory notes:
The development of trade, colonisation, industrialisation and technology,
the British Empire: This includes studying how the development of trade,
colonisation, industrialisation and technology affected the UK. There
should be a focus on the British Empire and its effect both on Britain and
on the regions it colonised, as well as its legacy in the contemporary
world (eg in Africa, the Middle East and India). Recognition should also be
given to the cultures, beliefs and achievements of some of the societies
prior to European colonisation, such as the West African kingdoms. The
study of the slave trade should include resistance, the abolition of slavery
and the work of people such as Olaudah Equiano and William Wilberforce.
Links could be made to emancipation, segregation and the twentieth century civil rights movement in the USA.
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