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Fraga: Cristina Kirchner chance to finally play her role as President
The disappearance of Nestor Kirchner generates multiple uncertainties and signals for the first time in Argentine history that the absence of someone who is not the president can cause such a situation and so many questions, writes Rosendo Fraga, Argentine historian and political commentator. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAFAICS If she or her successor doesn't find a way to rein in Hogo Moyano he'll do some real damage to your industries, watch out for people like him!
Oct 28th, 2010 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a very good opportunity for CFK to clean house and get rid of all the thugs she inherited from her husband.
Oct 28th, 2010 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This transition is either going to be good or very very bad or Argentina it is hard to say now but we all know by the end of the year where this is heading.
Fraga keeps his finger on the pulse of the Nation. I am in total agreement with both 1) and 2).
Oct 28th, 2010 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She must change the way she has been doing things, if she doesn't, things will get even rougher with her.
Oct 28th, 2010 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and perhaps even harder for the argentine people .
Oct 29th, 2010 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/8093982/Falkland-Islands-tensions-could-be-eased-with-death-of-Nestor-Kirchner-analysts-predict.html
Oct 29th, 2010 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Politics eh ....... murky stuff :-)
British political analysts are hoping something that it will not happen.
Oct 29th, 2010 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment number 6. These analysis is completely FALSE. The Malvinas affair will not be affected by this political event, and even with a defeat of the Kirchnerism the situation will not change the attitudes towards this conflict is almost the same in all the Politics Parties, and the variations are not importants, is just a little carouse of these analyst, an also a demonstration of ignorance...
Oct 29th, 2010 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK was the figure behind the 256 decree, and the physical disappearance of her husband will not change the issue, because all the parties supported these political position.
An speculation of these class just mean that are something wrong in the islands and are waiting hoped for some “positive” attiude of our goverment, and this will not happen, specially when the attiude of Argentine is supported by UNASUR,
And a change of position will harm the image of the country to regional level.
Conclusion:
“Falkland Islands tensions could be eased with death of Nestor Kirchner, analysts predict”
FAKE, and not only FAKE, is horrible show of uncivilization and stupidity try to speculate with the death of someone when just passed 24 hs from his death.
@ Hoytred #6 lol oh man you're so naïve! Those islands belong to us, the Argentine people. When I said she needs to change the way she's been doing things, I meant her constant confrontation with middle class people, as an example, and her friends -Moyano and many more-. Malvinas Argentinas yesterday, today and always!
Oct 29th, 2010 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0The important matter in these moment is say clearly that these very ridiculous supposition of the Guardian really is a lie, and the problems with Argentina around this affair will be the same despite the NK's death. It's simple... but the ignorance of these analyst are really great, and their bad faith, worst. Is classic brainwash of the british press to the world and to the Islanders and to the British people publishing lies of this category...
Oct 29th, 2010 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is possible (almost a certain) that the next government in 2011 keeps the same position about the Islands and Britain.
Hey Xbox ... I found the article, I didn't write it and in response to Israel, tell it to the authors! Personally I don't see any great change coming, not that it would make any difference anyway. The only change in Argentine attitude that would be acceptable is a total renunciation of its spurious claims.
Oct 29th, 2010 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands Islands are British and have been since 1695 ..... get used to it!
also snr xbox...you've changed your tune. just a few weeks ago you said that you accepted that the Falklands didnot belong to Argentina. as a matter of fact Senor Think tackled you about it, thought you a Chilean or a disloyal Argentine.....now you say that “those islands belong to us”!!! make up your mind, boy. or are we all talking to xbarilox-2, the bad xbarilox!? anyway, you are wrong. those islands DO NOT belong to you & never have.now don't go out and kick your dog!!
Oct 29th, 2010 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0(12) Cher Isolde…..
Oct 29th, 2010 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please, try to control your prejudices against anything Argentinean….
At first I suspected Xbarilox to be an English poster posing as a ”friendly” Argentinean ( we have had at least three of those in here in the last four months…. None of them could translate a piece of their own text into Spanish…. Strange :-)
After a short Internet-check I found out that he, very very probably, is Chilean….
I never ever wrote or inferred that he was a “disloyal Argentinean”….
Why would he be?...
Because he has a different opinion about the “Malvinas Issue”?
That would be his right and we are legions in this Country that have learned to respect those rights.
Regards from your “Loving Stepmother” Country
El Think
I've created such a whirlwind lol I think the same way I did before, Isolde. I was just kidding. Do you think, dear Isolde, that because I say those islands belong to Argentina that will be true? I don't have that power. And why are you poeple reapeating “ those islands are British”? We all know that. There're 3 thousand people living in the islands, I know that, so don't get too serious Isolde, and stop thinking that because I'm an Argentinian I have the same thoughts about the islands. I'd really like that this government could change his views on this subject, but I'm sure Cristina won't change her mind. I'm not an imbecile Isolde, I know what is true and waht is not. But you people, should stop insulting all the Argentines just because you think we all have the same views over the islands. You should light up your mind too. And I'm not from Chile, I'm 100% Argentinian meat lol, and I think this woman is an alien, if she really loved this country she would change the way she's been doing things. The problrem is here, in this part of the world, because all the Argentinians living in England don't have any problem, and English living in Argentina don't either, except, I guess, when one of these people appears and starts a fight over the islands. Sometimes it makes me sick to see all these people going to Plaza de Mayo tearing because a liar passed away, but what can I do? I can't change people's minds. Anyway, think I'll stop posting on this arcticles because it makes no sense, especially when you know that in real life there are people traveling from England to Argentina, and from Argentina to England, while we're fighting a stupid “cyberwar” over the islands. I hope if there is a war, at least all the dead can say something to teach people not to fight over a piece of land, oil, gold. It'd be nice if you could come to Argentina and say that you live in the islands without having people calling you a pirate. I hope one day this moronism comes to an end.Cristian
Oct 29th, 2010 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The only change in Argentine attitude that would be acceptable is a total renunciation of its spurious claims.
Oct 29th, 2010 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands Islands are British and have been since 1695 ..... get used to it!”
Spurious? Really not.
1695? Another Lie!. Discovering IS NOT ENOUGH for take posesion. Try better. The Islands was discovered MUCH BEFORE, at least in 1600, and possibly in 1523.
And if you post so stupid comment of the Guardian is because you share some bad intention of the Author, because the intention is EVIDENT.
Seeing some sceptical reports of Great Britain, it seems to me that the spurious arguments come from the Britishers; reading their arguments I find weaknesses and senseless things, beginning for the ridiculous island self-determination, laugh causes that 2000 brute and awkward islanders seek to feel “British”. They are a joke. Be grateful to us that they are British; without the war, only they would be a poor colony, and with scarcely 1000 inhabitants.
What? you invaded the islands in 1982 to do us a favour? that's a new one,
Oct 29th, 2010 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jeez! if you removed all the bullshit from an argentinian there'd be nothing left bar a few bits of silicone.
YOU DON'T EXISTED FOR BRITAIN BEFORE 1982, or you will deny it? Course!. Yon didn't lose population in 1982!, and their economy was not a ruin!. Bah, you are a Kelper... I can understand you... you never had a great comprehension of nothing...
Oct 29th, 2010 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ask to Mike Summers what he thinks about the consequences of the war... he was not a critic of the BENEFITS of the war... how many soldiers died in Malvinas? more than 1000 in both sides? how many KELPERS died? just 3, and the benefits for your people, HUGE.
At least you must to be sincere... and stop thinking stupidities, between them, think that Argentina is ruled by Galtieri... this is the typical AND STUPID islander mentality. Really you are not serious...
Come on... say all the STUPIDITIES so typical of the Islanders... really just show how Insignificant are the residents in these islands...
AND we don't RECOVERED the islands just for do a favour, what do you want to read? I never said or wrote these. well, I don't think that this question was necessary... I know that you are not so able to comprehend... as we say “CORTO DE MENTE”.
But anyway, you must to be grateful with us... WITHOUT THE WAR; YOUR EXTINTION WOULD BE INEVITABLE. And if you don't want to understand this, is because THE REALITY HURTS. Speak bullshit about us, and you have a debt with us for your existence.
“the reality hurts” eh? It's not me who's throwing a tantrum Isreal.
Oct 29th, 2010 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yeah and the word 'dept'....you Argentines really shouldn't use it that much, it's a bad one for you don't you know.
No... IS DEBT = DEUDA. You must to give us many thanks... Citizenship in 1983, constitution in 1985, economic exclusive zone in 1986, what obtained the islands before 1982? NOTHING. 150 years of almost total ignorance and misery, because really your position was not so good...
Oct 29th, 2010 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really has a bad memory... WE DON'T.
Don't worry. I understand... is very humiliating give thanks to the enemy that you hate...
And please... IS ISRAEL, or you will do the same stupidity that other Islanders... please, be Original, if you can't be sincere...
You must to give us many thanks
Oct 29th, 2010 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you us
End of Junta,one way helicopter rides,no more Parrilla (torture) disappeared because really your position was not so good
You really has a bad memory... WE DON'T.
Don't worry. I understand... is very humiliating give thanks to the enemy that you hate...
Oops! couple of typos there indeed Israel, must be caused by my anger and humiliation or possibly my awkwardess & brutality....anyway, not sure where you're going with this 'you should be grateful to us' rant, we're not....and never will be, so there is no pain or humiliation for us, If you had been intending to do us a good turn then maybe that would be the case....but you weren't, so it's not. :-)
Oct 29th, 2010 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I expected for a response of these kind... And even I used those words for facilited the work of some “intelligent” person for make their response. Congratulations, you was a pretty puppet, as always, zero inteligence, zero tolerance, FULL stupidity.
Oct 29th, 2010 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another show of ignorance (Show #. 1000) With the war, or without the war. Our democracy would be IMMINENT, because the Junta was dying for Economic problems. In 1985, or 1987, we return to the Democracy without the war in a extreme case, 1989. Brazil returned in 1985, Uruguay in 1985, Bolivia was entered in democracy from 1982. So, the war was the CATALYST that facilitate the process, BUT NOT THE ORIGIN. So, even without war, the Junta Finished, the Parrilla Finished, and the Disappeared, Finished. These bullshit (as it really must be named) is just another lie very characteristic in the anglo and saxon personality (I will be a bit ethnic as the inhabitants of these islands and his counselors). But of course, these lies never goes far...
What happen with the Islands without war? NO Citizenship Act, NO constitution, NO Economic exclusive zone. NO EXISTENCE, because your situation was really critical, very possibly, your extintion in the islands, in 20, may be 25 years...
The War, for us, was just a fact, a circumstance, for you, THE EXISTENCE, are VERY different circumstance. For these reason. YOU must to be grateful with us. NOT US WITH YOU.
AS I expected as well... Another ignorant traumatised with the Junta. What do you wait? Bring to me your Cries about the Native's Genocide in Patagonia, an forget, in example, the happened with britain in Australia, in New Zealand, India, Africa, etc... and bring me the fact (another stupidity, indeed) that Peron was a Nazi, etc... show me your ignorance... Is a tradition in those islands...
Something a little bit more up to date
Oct 29th, 2010 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.argentinareporter.com/2010/01/17/systematic-human-rights-abuses-in-argentinas-prison-system/
http://www.argentinareporter.com/2010/01/17/systematic-human-rights-abuses-in-argentinas-prison-system/
Bla bla bla... And in Iraq and Afganisthan... Do you respected the Human Rights? and in Diego García? You can't respect the independence of another countries and cries about the internal problems of another nations... just another stupidity.... Really, we have worst cases in Latin America, specially in Brazil, and Paraguay... what do you want to show me? something spectacular?
Oct 29th, 2010 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please, don't be fool... a foolish one as you can't give me NOTHING to surprise me...
So what if the UK claimed the settlement in the Antarctic that have an argentine community settled there, is this ok . Or does Argentina claim that as well, perhaps you claim the whole of the Antarctic, what about Chile, . You guys just cant claim everything just because you want to. out of those i mentioned only [one] wants to be argentine, [can you guess which one], and all the others want freedom without the threat of trouble from Argentina.
Oct 29th, 2010 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But no doubt you will say that Chile is free from threats, free, except the Falklands that are yours, the main difference is the Falklands does not fear you. And the others are very weary of you.
The Falklands will remain British, until they wish otherwise, and Argentina will, and must except that this is the future. Peace be with you…..
“So what if the UK claimed the settlement in the Antarctic that have an argentine community settled there, is this ok . Or does Argentina claim that as well, perhaps you claim the whole of the Antarctic, what about Chile, . You guys just cant claim everything just because you want to.”
Oct 29th, 2010 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah Britain claims everything because “Britain is Britain” and just for being britain has right... this is the attitude of the Brit Government... Our claim, is perfectly delimited, seems to me that Britain wants all the cake, in fact. Commonwealth the most of the cake... just South America (Argentina and Chile) is a Hindrance.
What do you speak about Chile? Chile (to difference of Britain) are a Neighbor an partner despite differences... Even in Antartica, despite your desires.
“the main difference is the Falklands does not fear you. And the others are very weary of you.”
And? For us, the FIG, and the islanders doesn't exist. So, If really have fear, or not, is not important... Weary of us? Sorry, but is not true, if really they were weary? what proof do you have for say this, your ignorance?
“Peace be with you…..”
I don't need your peace...
so if they dont exit, then why do you want an island thats empty.
Oct 29th, 2010 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then you agree that argentina does not need these stupid islands, that you and argentina would not lower to there level, so you are friends of freedom them. Or was i wrong
EXIST. DON'T EXIST. Is a metaphore for say that they are insignificant, and don't count, because something or someone are minimal, insignificant. For us, they are British, so, WITH BRITAIN we must to speak, not with them. Argentina don't want the Islands empty... on the contrary... the population is LITTLE.
Oct 29th, 2010 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With sincerity... are you stupid? I was clear...
so you except they are British, and you are argentine.
Oct 30th, 2010 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0That means you except you are both different. OK i get it now
so as humans they don’t count, then you don’t count, and if you expect the British to treat you , as you treat the islanders, then you to are stupid. You cannot have what you do not except.. To have them you must except that they exist and are Falkland islanders and they are British, And that you are argentine. except that there are 3 of you, then you have a case. Only two then you and Argentina must be stupid.
logical ???
@22
Oct 30th, 2010 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just trying to put you right on your mistaken belief that we suffer pain and humiliation because we somehow 'owe' you something, I can assure you that Falkland Islanders feel nothing but irritation towards Argentina.
This is the way it is Israel whatever you want to believe. As for 'us counting for nothing with Britain you must speak'....fine, go ahead, what Britain will say is the Islanders rights must be respected, this is the way it is Israel and no amount of forum shouting and repitition of stupidity, ignorance, insignificance, brutes et al makes any difference.
BTW (just in case you weren't angry enough) The Falklands are British and will remain British, again no matter hwo much you scream and shout this is the way it is, we're here, you're not. Have a nice day.
:-p
You are clear, you're just an idiot.
Oct 30th, 2010 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK government which manages our foreign affairs for us will not do anything at all that affects us without asking us first. And that's because we do exist for them. So you can stick you fingers in your ears and sing 'la la laaa can't hear you' all you like. It wil carry on getting you, well, nowhere, just like it has already,
Yours brutishly and awkwardly,
Mxxxxxx
as you see, the real people disagree with you. You must exept the islanders or you exept nothing we dont care. They will remain british
Oct 30th, 2010 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0No reply from Israel yet, maybe his head exploded....
Oct 30th, 2010 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0:o)
Come back to the Party Israel...pleeaaase!
he knows we are all right, so what could he say, exept he understands and the falklands are british .
Oct 30th, 2010 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0#29: Kelpers = British. So, the FIG, and the islanders DONT COUNT, because is a BRIT problem. Easy to understand, not for you...
Oct 30th, 2010 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The islands are different to Britain? According the Islanders NO, so, is your problem being so stupid that you don't understand this.
Understand. The islands government and the population DONT COUNT, The islanders are British, then A BRIT PROBLEM.
#30 Your own comments and another stupid ones don't show the same... Is really hard to read the truth... that Argentine did a Favour to the islands...
“and repitition of stupidity, ignorance, insignificance, brutes et al makes any difference.”
Yes... you have reason, just I say what I see in people like you...
#31: Sorry, a Kelper can't say me idiot. Because the sheeps in these islands are more clever than any Kelper. The rest, pure stupidities... You are a Charge for Britain, no more... is laughable how you feel so protected by a nation that consider the islanders a problem. And I'm glad to see that you are concious of your stupidity... What argument you can give on contrary if your people are just Rural chauvinists and brutes enclosed for 177 years in these islands?. Really I encourage you to admit these hard truth...
#32: No... is worst than real people that doesn't exist, doensn't exists as People...Is real people that HAVE NOT IMPORTANCE in the struggle between Argentina an United Kingdom... your insignificance is worse than you think... “Remains British”, so laughable... second class citizen... Just I see this, really you provoke me pity.
#33 Just your head explote “a real” colonist, Ups... “islander” ups, “Benny”, ups, “British”. What bullshit are you, colonist, bennys, or sheeps, or just nothing? A People? jajaja. The United Kingdom have a People... Argentina have a People... THE ISLANDS ARE NOT A PEOPLE.
Dream with your unexistent oil...
bla bla black sheep, argentine aint cool
Oct 30th, 2010 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0yes sir yes sir, argentines a fool
one for the argie who aint very cool
why dont you just jump in the pool, [AND COOL OF]
“he knows we are all right, so what could he say, exept he understands and the falklands are british .”
Oct 30th, 2010 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0laughable... and pathetic... the Islands British? really not, and is a HUGE NO. Always thinking that god give always to britain the reason..So haughty attitude...
“bla bla black sheep, argentine aint cool
yes sir yes sir, argentines a fool
one for the argie who aint very cool
why dont you just jump in the pool, [AND COOL OF]”
Really you think that interest what say for us a poor islanders, or a British? Not interest really... Oh, we have the reason, for these reason he keeps silence... again... really pathetic...
boy you and xbarilox should get together , perhaps you can agree you are both argentinian, you cant seem to agree on nothing else.
Oct 30th, 2010 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cheer up dont be so agitated , relax peace brother peace
Agitated? Really do this is rutine for me, I am not stressed.
Oct 30th, 2010 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“boy you and xbarilox should get together , perhaps you can agree you are both argentinian, you cant seem to agree on nothing else.”
And? really not interest to me what think another Argentines, just my opinion and nothing more.
“Cheer up don't be so agitated , relax peace brother peace”
Really you think that I am agitated... you are wrong...
Israel
Oct 30th, 2010 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0go to bed and sleep on it, no one, is replying to you.
And im of till tomorrow. so you will just have to talk to yourself
goodnight lol
Good nights...
Oct 30th, 2010 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Morning Israel, medication time,just checked the Falklands are still British:-)
Oct 30th, 2010 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEmt1O5r0Os
Israel! you came back :-)
Oct 30th, 2010 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm picking up a bit of inconsistancy in your posts mind...
(17) “AND we don't RECOVERED the islands just for do a favour, what do you want to read? ”
(35) “Is really hard to read the truth... that Argentine did a Favour to the islands...”
Which is it to be eh Israel?
Anyway, your eloquent and reasoned arguement has quite convinced me, I can see now that we do owe Argentina thanks....So...Thank you very much Argentina for garuanteeing British Soveriegnty and prosperity for us Falkland Islanders, it was most knid of you.
There Israel, happy now.
I would really like to show my gratitude by displaying the proud Argentine flag in my own home, does anyone know where I can get flags printed on toilet roll?
You know what , Israel, there is a nugget of truth in all of your crazy ranting.
Oct 30th, 2010 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think that we as Falkland Islanders should definitely be celebrating our identity as a distinct culture. And we do have a culture of our own which is very different to the rest of the UK. This doesn't mean that we are any less British ( try telling the Scots or Welsh they are the same as the English!)
Other parts of your discourse are quite frankly offensive. To suggest that all Falkland Islanders are more ignorant and stupid than sheep is pure racism, although I notice that you don't say where Argentines come on the stupidity spectrum.
I can almost guarantee that I'm better educated and more well travelled than you are. Our government of ignorant ruralists pays for our young people to be educated anywhere and in any way that they choose. Is that what we would get from you, or are you not so enlightened?
So if it's all the same to you, I'll just carry on believing that I'm not all that stupid.
as long as argentina stay at home , there will be no problem.
Oct 30th, 2010 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh, just saw this one...
Oct 30th, 2010 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Israel)
“1695? Another Lie!. Discovering IS NOT ENOUGH for take posesion.”
How about being in possession since 1833 AND re-taking possession after an invasion in 1982?....sounds a lot like possession to me pal.
:-)
Quite interesting, guys. You forgot to comment on the original news. Too boring, perhaps?
Nov 02nd, 2010 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pretty much par for the course on long running threads on Mercopress yaghan, anyway my hands are clean, I did comment on the original story :-)
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