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“We have no plan to retake the Falklands, because we don’t plan to lose them”
The incident occurred in the House of Commons and involved UK Defence Secretary Liam Fox and Labour MP Thomas Docherty, as was reported by James Kirkup in the Daily Telegraph. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat do you think all the drilling is really about ....... we're putting plugs in and if push comes to shove, we'll scuttle 'em :-)
Nov 04th, 2010 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, really? What would come out once you scuttle the plugs?
Nov 04th, 2010 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do we have a plan to retake the Falklands?’ No more than we have a plan to retake Kent, because we have no intention of losing it.” says Liam fox,...
Nov 04th, 2010 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then i would strongly suggests that he tells the argentine government of this, and makes sure they understand the question properly.
You are not getting the Falklands [ever]
“i would strongly suggests that he tells the argentine government of this”
Nov 04th, 2010 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He has done in several press releases. Plus, they already know.
We do not intend to retake South Georgia nor Boca Juniors' football stadium, because we have no intention of losing them
Nov 04th, 2010 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argie, you plank, you don't have South Georgia.
Nov 04th, 2010 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor old argie, prabaly had his finger in his mums goat when he wrote that.
Nov 04th, 2010 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then thats ok then. as long as they dont do something behind our backs
Nov 04th, 2010 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mmm
Falklands, those islands far far away from home, useful for resisting budget cuts and put people emotional.
Nov 04th, 2010 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes but they are very happy with the way it is.
Nov 04th, 2010 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina on the other hand is not, you have people and family’s on the Antarctic shelf that you have stolen or occupied illegally, you have only been there a couple of years trying to prove a point, what if we disputed that piece of land . would you send ships and planes to defend it. Or would you just give it up, I bet you would defend it, like we are defending the Falklands, so why don’t you just be happy with that little piece of land and leave the Falklands alone, its British,
The only emotional types are in Argentina, crying in their beers at the indoctrinated 'injustice' that the 9th generation people who live on the islands are actually going to sell resources that they deliberately own, when it should all be handed over to people who make a living out of crying in their beers while having one hand in someone else's pocket.
Nov 04th, 2010 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Falklands, those islands far far away from home”
Nov 05th, 2010 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Far away from home? noooo Pheel, now pay attention....we Falkland Islanders live in the Falklands, the Falklands are our home.
And we all know what they're doing with the other hand!!!
Nov 05th, 2010 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wireless, I have South Georgia. It's a cow...
Nov 05th, 2010 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0West,
Nov 05th, 2010 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what matters is the second part of the sentence.
useful for resisting budget cuts and put people emotional.
Not at the islands, precisely.
I have always been absolutly sure that argentina wont never recover the islands, The u.k. has always been a thief and it seems that it wont change it's posture.
Nov 05th, 2010 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's really shamefull that such an important and admirable nation like england continues with colonial policys, and the worst is that it's politicians dont recognize the mistakes that the country made regarding the malvinas issue, and just victimize their selves and blame only our side for the actual scenario, this posture is not only shamefull, it's pathetic too, maybe that kind of posture would be expectable if it comes from a periferic nation, but it's inadmissible if it comes from a country like the u.k.
The u.k. knows perfectly that it's not respecting the resolutions from the u.n, wich call both parts of the conflict to find a negotiated solution, and it knows too that self determination is not applicable to the islanders.
Beside any of the resolutions argues that the solution to the conflict is the transference of sovereignty to argentina, when the u.n. calls both sides to negotiate, it means that both parts of the conflict will have to cede on their pretentions, it's not imposible to find a solution wich respects the rights of the three parts, anyway i know that it wont never happen, this is why like it or not, you wont never get rid of our claim, many of ignorants who type all the time here and who argue that just the opinion of the islanders is relevant, only show how ignorant you are, you have no idea about what you are saying, if it soposes that some of you have academic tittles, make honour to your knowleadge and dont parrot ignorant assertions anymore, accept it or not, the actual scenario is the result of the mistakes and the intransigence of the three parts of the conflicts.
Listen to your own veterans, brainwashed British people
Nov 05th, 2010 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Listen to them............
Listen to what they say not what others say they say....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/05/poppy-appeal-subverted-veterans-complain
“If ye break faith with us who die, We shall not sleep, though poppies grow in Flanders fields.”
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Nov 05th, 2010 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Works every time....
Nov 05th, 2010 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The most simple truths, expresseded by sincere people, like authentic British veterans is always unpleasant for liers..........
err...have I missed something? That article seemed pretty well balanced and uncontroversial to me (for the Guardian). The poppy appeal always gets people going. It's caused a stir almost every year since it started, starting with the white poppy movement in the 20s.
Nov 05th, 2010 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There aren't any simple truths here; war isn't a simple thing, neither are remembrance or grief. And not following one line or another doesn't make you a liar.
And just what do Argentina do for there veterans, our guys are well respected , think and others are just spreading bad things , but then for a nation that can do no good, nothing else was expected .
Nov 05th, 2010 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... it's politicians dont recognize the mistakes that the country made regarding the malvinas issue,...”
Nov 06th, 2010 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nope, can't think of any mistakes so far .......
“ ... The u.k. knows perfectly that it's not respecting the resolutions from the u.n, wich call both parts of the conflict to find a negotiated solution, and it knows too that self determination is not applicable to the islanders....”
Nope, don't think we know any of that ....
“ ... this is why like it or not, you wont never get rid of our claim...”
Don't think we care ... not actually making much difference is it?
“ ... the actual scenario is the result of the mistakes ....”
Sorry, still can't think of any mistakes that the UK has made.
The Falkland islands are British ... have been since 1695, and have been unchallenged since 1833 .......... GET USED TO IT :-))))
Oh Axel, and you Argies stole nothing??? What about all the land you took from the Mapuche, Kolla, Wichí, Toba, Guaraní, Tehuelche, Selk'nam, Haush, Yámana, Kawéskar, Chonos etc, etc???
Nov 06th, 2010 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Beside any of the resolutions argues that the solution to the conflict is the transference of sovereignty to argentina”
There is not a single resolution that argues for a transfer of sovereignty. You should know that now that you have done your “survey”.
Basically, what you have written above is just a load of hot air Axel. I expected better from you.
@Axel (#16): Axel you are mistaken. Self-determination is applicable to the Falklanders. Argentina voted for the Falklanders to have self-determination in resolution 1514(XV) & in Article 73 of the UN Charter
Nov 06th, 2010 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0One should recall specifically that it was Argentina that broke resolution 31/49 not to undertaken unilateral modifications to the situation by its illegal invasion and subjugation of the Islands in 1982
This criminal breach of peace by initiation of hostilities against a defenceless people and invasion of their homeland is recorded for all time in the binding UN Security Council resolution 502 requiring an immediate withdrawal of all Argentine forces from the Falklands Islands.
The profound effect Argentina's unprovoked attack on the defenceless Islanders & the removal of their freedom by force of arms on the Falklanders and British was and remains immense
Thereafter the Falklanders have democratically exercised their right to self-determination under resolution 1514(XV) & choose to freely associate with Britain & to remain British
Argentina is required to respect the choice of the Falklanders under UN resolutions 1514(XV), 2065(XX), 3160(XXVIII) & Article 73
The record shows clearly that Argentina's historical claims are demonstrably weak & are largely the result of mandatory political indoctrination of generations of schoolchildren mostly based the manipulative fantasy of Argentine nationalists using the big lie propaganda technique, as well documented by Escudé.
The Falklanders have made their democratic choice to remain British perfectly clear to Argentina using their right to self-determination under 1514(XV), as agreed by Argentina
This exercise of self-determination by the Falklanders has fully met all requirements of the UN to end Argentina's dispute of sovereignty with the UK & Argentina is required to support the decision of the Falklanders under resolutions 1514, 2065 & 3160
Argentina's only legal recourse is to take its case to the ICJ
So there!
Nov 06th, 2010 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said Domingo :-)
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Nov 06th, 2010 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0IYHO,..... (In Your Humble Opinion)...... IYHO
At least Domingo backs his opinions up with facts Twinky.
Nov 06th, 2010 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see even your own usual wit has been outwitted if “IYHO” is the best you can do...
well done Domingo, don't think you left anything out. and as for you Axel #16, you are fantasizing again. there is no need to respect the rights of the three parties as Argentina doesn't have any rights about the Falklands. and of course you will never“recover”the Falklands. to recover something, you have to have owned it in the first place & Argentina has never owned the Falkland Islands. furthermore the UN does not say that negotiations will lead to a transferance of sovereignty. anyway, what is there to negotiate? they are not your islands and you are not getting them. what could you possibly offer(on the negotiating table)to us that we would give you the islands? you haven't got anything that valuable. would you hand over your home to someone just because they said that it was “theirs”? and finally as for“thievery” are you going to return the land that you stole from Paraguay? are you going to return the land that you stole from the native peoples? no? why not? if Argentina is taking the moral high ground about rights, wrongs &“thieves” most of you Argentines have only been in the country for three generations. the Falklanders have been in their country for nine generations. stop crying Argentina & sort out your own mess!
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Nov 06th, 2010 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My personal experience with Domingo in here is: Not to wind him up :-)
He has previously, in his posts, indulged in fantasies of nukeing Buenos Aires “to teach us a lesson” and insulted me, using some “serious Spanish glosses” ……
He graciously apologized later, saying that he was just carried away….
A little to late…..... Buenos Aires with its 15 million inhabitants were already destroyed by Domingo’s nuclear holocaust fantasy and I don’t fancy being insulted.
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Malvinas is a minor portion of our “Mess”...... and we are sorting it quite effectively.
Regarding Argentinas extensive “mess”: Don't fuss yourself about the Falklands Think, most of your “mess” here has long since been sorted out by us & the UK, The British government has even started clearing all the landmines you left here, don't worry though, I'm sure they'll send you the bill.
Nov 06th, 2010 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said at (29)...... We are sorting that “little” Malvinas mess quite effectively.
Nov 06th, 2010 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We even have people from Zimbabwe and Lebanon to do it for us...
And the bills are duly paid by her Majesty's Government (as they are obliged to do under the provisions of the UN De Mining treaty :-)
A pitty that those “ English Squatters” keep destroying the marine wildlife of Malvinas with their “scroggy” overfishing policy.....
“The u.k. knows perfectly that it's not respecting the resolutions from the u.n, wich call both parts of the conflict to find a negotiated solution, and it knows too that self determination is not applicable to the islanders.”
Nov 06th, 2010 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You complete bigot. That is absolutely insulting to any of the people who live there.
So, because they don't agree to argentinas views or objectives. They aren't intitled to human rights? Fuck off.
You are right the UN does call for both partys to solve the situation, This can be done in two ways axel, us giving the islands to you, or you giving up your claim. You can't claim the high ground when you have not done all you can to solve the situation yourselves.
Zethee, you forgot the third option. Islands get full independence. It's there in the UN resolutions Axel, if you care to look. The islands are entitled to full independence if they want it. Kinda screws up your Argie position tho...
Nov 06th, 2010 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're forgetting other ways, the could integrate with the UK either directly or as a Crown Dependency like Jersey, Guernsey or the Isle of Man.
Nov 06th, 2010 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are many options, though none without the consent of the islanders themselves. It is really theirs to determine.
”The Chagos Islands became, like the Falkands and a dozen other small remnants of the British Empire around the world, a Crown Colony. (Later, in a terminological manoevre to deal with the fact that the tide of world opinion had turned against colonialism, the British Crown Colonies were re-named by an act of Parliament as the British Dependent Territories; and they were subsequently re-named again as the British Overseas Territories.)”
Nov 06th, 2010 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next change will be the return of the real name...Malvinas Argentinas of course.
Margot to correct that racist bile you just spouted, the BOT were renamed to reflect the evolving relationship between the UK and former colonies and to reflect the increasing devolution of Government toward self-governing status. Since the 1960s the policy has been to increase the level of self-government and to grant independence on request.
Nov 06th, 2010 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Real name? Well that would be the Falkland Islands, the name conferred by John Strong in 1690 some 120 years before Argentina even existed as an idea.
OK feel free to continue making a dick of yourself. Carry on, nothing to see.
Like I have said before these guys are all brainwashed from an early childhood. They know nothing of the real world, or things called freedom,
Nov 06th, 2010 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or living in peace with the threat from aggressive nations , sadly Argentina seems to think its a little Stalinist country, if I cant have it, I will take it or steal it, they care nothing for the rights of the Falklanders, or the British , or anyone else, all they care for is their right to take anything and everything they want, and the only reason I can think of why they detest us so much is that the British wont let them have what they want, the British have already humiliated them once, and we wont let them gain from there childish behaviour, so the answer is simple, grow up and leave the Falklands alone , and stop trying to be the big kid on the block, as long as we are around the Falklands are quiet safe, so you can hide and snipe from a safe distance, you will never win anything more that a coconut from your own circus, bye bye .
“and we are sorting it quite effectively.”
Nov 06th, 2010 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0reading between the lines I assume you are using the Argentine definition of 'effectively' rather than the definition used by the rest of the world.
Rest of the world definition: taking action as to achieve a desired result.
Argentine definition: do 'eff' all except winge to anyone who'll pretend to commiserate with you.
@29: Think, you are of course fibbing. You misquote me & wildly exaggerate without proof
Nov 06th, 2010 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I said was:
“...a future conflict over the Malvinas instigated by AR is unlikely to be limited to the Malvinas themselves, rather would in all probability be met by the UK with strikes on AR infrastructure by air & sea compatible with their military doctrine to deter, coerce, disrupt, defeat & destroy enemies.
Right now, the UK modest military presence on the FI is simply to deter However, were a shooting war to begin, then it is obvious to me the UK military would use its deep strike assets to destroy AR's capacity to wage war then & into the foreseeable future. The UK's naval & air force assets have the capability to do this today, unless there are political constraints. However, as 1982 proved, it was militarily costly to allow AR unrestricted use of its mainland bases without fear of destruction. If Buenos Aires is the centre of gravity of AR's will to fight, then destruction of Buenos Aires as a functioning city is a legitimate military aim to defeat AR. War is a serious business & the UK understands what is required to win & also the horrible cost of modern mechanised conflict, something AR has luckily never experienced. Perhaps this is why UK prefers very peaceful & detente diplomacy cf. the hysterical AR nationalistic diplomacy which is designed to escalate tension
Were the UK mainland ever to be threatened by AR or UNASUR that would warrant a NATO response, possibly nuclear, but the UK has its own nuclear deterrent, which it is free to use in defence of its nation state at any time
One would hope that AR will put friendship & cooperation as the right way to improve agreement over sovereignty issues.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/11/argentina-reaffirms-exclusive-authority-over-all-falklands-hydrocarbons-activities
+ the “insults” in Rioplatense were at your express request &light-hearted... though you took exception to the use of “boludo” to describe you
35 Marcos Alejandro:
Nov 06th, 2010 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is this another one of your comments that you post then, because you can't hold an argument you wont reply to?
Thought so.
At the end of the day your insignificant nation forgo' human rights and took on a nation with the most successful military history in the world, and you lost, embarrassingly.
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Nov 06th, 2010 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh no………
Another sleepless night under the Damoclean threath of Domingo’s verboragic diarrhea……:-)
yes and it drops downwards, so dont open your mouth when you sleep thinky ?? sleep tight, think of the british while you are sleeping.
Nov 07th, 2010 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nightmares ahhhhh
About 41: Speak for yourself! You're the one talking rubbish. About time you backed your comments up with facts, rather than make-believe convenient to the make-believe you say.
Nov 07th, 2010 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The point being you've been caught making things up yet again. Just like Argentina's fake territorial claims.
So don't. Else you're choke in your sleep just like the man says.
And you've been caught again making ad hominem attacks because you can think of e no sound argument to support your failed position on the fact that Argentina voted for self-determination to apply to the Falklanders and support the choice of the Falklanders according to the United Nations resolutions and Article 73.
“Think thinking!” Now there's a oxymoron if there ever was one.
Sweet dreams our witless fool ;¬)
The trading of childish insults in this thread is a disgrace and an insult to those who were killed in the last conflict.
Nov 07th, 2010 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0A far more adult remedy to the current impasse is needed; one that will bring the great nations of Argentine and the UK together and will provide those resident on the Islands as far better and less restricted way of life.
The reality is that at some point the adults will take charge os this debate and its resolution. But, in the meantime, I suppose we are stuck with the inanities such as those posted above.
El Supremo, you appear to be suggesting independence .... well done !
Nov 07th, 2010 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Agent Think. noboby has noticed how“effective”you have sorted your mess out. better try again.
Nov 07th, 2010 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0(46) Cher Isolde…..
Nov 07th, 2010 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The FICC president Mr. Roger Spink (his title sounds important!) seems to have noticed…
He says:
”The FICC is very disappointed that we have not seen a higher level of support for the Falklands from the world in response to what is in effect a sea-blockade of the civilian population and this contrasts with the strong support for the citizens of the Gaza strip and Berlin who also have had to withstand blockades by large powerful neighbours”.
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/argentina-blockading-the-falklands-with-no-respect-for-islanders-human-rights
Wooow…. As bad as Berlin or the Gaza Strip ……..
“Nobody has noticed” you say, cher Isolde......
Are you implying president Spink is lying?
Are you implying president Spink is exaggerating?
Or are you implying president Spink is simply hallucinating?
None of those .... Spink is merely 'disappointed' :-)
Nov 07th, 2010 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0El Supremo. The Adults are already in charge of the debate.
Nov 07th, 2010 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0The reality is the Falklanders have made their choice to freely associate with Britain and have elected to remain British.
I agree cooperation and friendship is the way forward, however, whilst Argentina continue to operate a policy of discrimination against the Falklanders this ideal remains a worthy pipe-dream.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/50318
Nov 07th, 2010 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering Argentina can't even protect their mainland, property or citizens from a Bolivian incursion ( of all things) I don't think the Falklands has much to worry about. If they are scared of the Bolivians imagine how they feel about the UK!
Isn't Bolivia part of UNASUR too? Looks like the integration is going swimmingly!
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Nov 07th, 2010 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ooooold News……..
This little ”issue” has already been dealt with……......:
http://momento24.com/en/2010/11/05/willy-gareca-the-colonel-who-transgressed-the-argentine-territory-was-removed-from-office/
It has reinforced the friendship between our two countries…....:
http://momento24.com/en/2010/11/05/willy-gareca-the-colonel-who-transgressed-the-argentine-territory-was-removed-from-office/
And served to get rid of Colonel Willy Gareca, a right-radical Bolivian officer trained by the USA at the School of the Americas located at Fort Benning, Georgia….
http://momento24.com/en/2010/11/05/willy-gareca-the-colonel-who-transgressed-the-argentine-territory-was-removed-from-office/
A Win – Win –Win situation…. :-)
Very much like this other ”little issue” that has my particular interest….
”The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory.
The recovery of said territoriums and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.”
It is embarrassing for Bolivia but much worse for Argentina. The incursion proves that you don't have control of your borders and are weak and un-prepared. Do you even have the capabilities to see when you are getting invaded by a neighboring army? Doesn't look like it! HAHAHA
Nov 07th, 2010 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No matter what Bolivia does to the General Argentina still looks foolish and cowardly.
LOL! the biter bit!!
Nov 07th, 2010 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And whinging about it!
How unusual!
92 fredbdc Nov 01st, 2010 - 07:50 pm “We have more money to spend on recreational drugs so what? Lots of people do drugs here”
Nov 07th, 2010 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey dude did you run out of drugs again? Your brain is so fried because of it that you didn't noticed that 30 million Mexicans crossed you border undetected.
Justin kunt, You in Glasgow and most of the Britsh didn't have a clue of the location of Malvinas Argentinas before 1982.
Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when.
“Justin kunt, You in Glasgow and most of the Britsh didn't have a clue of the location of Malvinas Argentinas before 1982.”
Nov 07th, 2010 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A few people questioned by newspapers not knowing where they were is not evidence that most didn't. And they are called Falkland Islands in English and they are not Argentine. Anyway, even if they didn't know where they were, so what? It's not about the rights of people of the UK or of Argentina; it's about the right of Falkland Islanders to determine the future of their country.
most of the Britsh didn't have a clue of the location of Malvinas Argentinas before 1982.
Nov 07th, 2010 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still havent a clue of the location of the Malvinas
Now the Falklands
http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/falkland.html
Made in 1956, Exeter made for the Falklands islands
http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/falkland.html
Mind you before 1982,not many Argies heard of Portsmouth or Plymouth
Margot Ale Ale Alejandro, Don't bother me.
Nov 07th, 2010 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't bother me. Alejandro
Don't call my name.
Don't call my name, Fernando.
Funnily enough I did know where they were but what has that got to do with it. The only people whose opinion counts is the people living there.
Justin Kunt, The Scottish Lady GaGa
Nov 07th, 2010 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvRvh6vtfZk
Argentina is quite generous indeed......
Nov 07th, 2010 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We offer the “Malvinas Squatters” following terms in our Constitution:
“ Respect of their way of life according to the principles of international law”
Quite different is the treatment the 18.000 “British” Gypsies get from her Majest's government:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/aug/01/gypsies-evictions-planning
Brainwash anybody?
J. A. ROBERT. HOYTRED. JUSTIN KUNTZ.
Nov 07th, 2010 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, i want to say that i didn't type the correct word, when i wrote about the resolutions of the u.n.
What i wanted to type, is that NONE of the resolutions of the u.n argues that the solution to the conflict is the transference of sovereignty to argentine, i have always known it, and you alreay know what i think about the negotiations.
JASON AND JUSTIN: Regarding the territory of the patagonia, my country had legitimate rights to occupy it, it was just one more part of the former viceroalty, the fact that spain never cede anything to argentina, is not so relevant, as sucessors of the spanish kingdon, we had full rights to occupy that territory, anyway it does not justify the terrible genocide that julio roca ordered to make, when our authoritys toke possession of the patagonia. All my arguments are based on the conversations that i had with two prefessors of international right from the uba (university from buenos aires).
HOYTRED: The fact that maybe the u.k. discovered the islands, does not give you any sovereign right, the main fact that creates sovereign rights, is the permanent ocupation, and you didn't occupy permanently both islands untill 1833, before that year, if you had any sovereign right, it was only on the gran malvina, anyway it's very arguable, because you left the island, and during 59 years, there was not any britsh authority,there was just an insignificant plaq, and soposed sporadic settlement of british sailors, before that year, the islands were no body's colony, what you did in 1833 was a total violation to our rights, like it or not.
On the other hand, if self determination would applicable, the u.n. would recognize it, like it does with others resolutions about decolonization issues, in the malvinas cause, self det. would brake our territorial integrity, this is why in some cases, self det. is not applicable.
I got those arguments from the reports from gristescu and gross spiell.
@ Think
Nov 07th, 2010 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brutal Brits
http://www.lag.org.uk/Templates/System/Publications.asp?NodeID=90708&Mode=display
http://www.lag.org.uk/Templates/System/Publications.asp?NodeID=90708&Mode=display
http://www.lag.org.uk/Templates/System/Publications.asp?NodeID=90708&Mode=display
Mind you the Gypsies,could live in comfort in the Argentine showcase
villa 31,the Argies realy know how to look after foreign guests
“We offer the “Malvinas Squatters” following terms in our Constitution:
Nov 07th, 2010 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Respect of their way of life according to the principles of international law””
Offered at the point of a gun.
Lmao.
Tell me Axel,
Nov 07th, 2010 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which right did your ancestors, sitting in land stolen from the indigenous people of South America have to seize more land from the remaining indigenous peoples? What gave them the right to conduct that genocidal campaign?
Is there a foul smell arounbd here? Think farted again?
“ ... the main fact that creates sovereign rights, is the permanent ocupation,...”
Nov 07th, 2010 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really! Where does it say that in International Law then Axel ??
What Argentina has to offer the kelpers to convince them to become part of it? Poverty? Corruption? Injustice? Neglect? Bureaucracy? Ineptitude? Violence? Social unrest?
Nov 08th, 2010 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Name one advantage of forming part of Argentina...
@59: We offer the “Malvinas Squatters” following terms in our Constitution: “ Respect of their way of life according to the principles of international law”
Nov 08th, 2010 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0What Argentina offers in its constitution is irrelevant as Argentina is required to do this and much more.
This matter has been decided by the members of the UN General Assembly, who voted for UN Resolution 1514(XV) to apply to the case of the Falkland Islands including Argentina, and also agreed to Article 73.
Argentina should take its case to the United Nations International Court of Justice, given its constitutional aims and let the matter be addressed on its merits and flaws once and for all.
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Nov 08th, 2010 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0IYHO Domingo... Remember IYHO.....
The views of the Islanders are paramount. If Argentina is unable to accept that and work towards a mutually acceptable way of co-existence then we have nothing to talk about.
Nov 08th, 2010 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0IYHO Be serious... Remember IYHO.....
Nov 08th, 2010 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You did not inherit anything from Spain Axel, not Patagonia, not the Falklands, nothing. You took your independence by force and conquered whatever territory you could. Spain did not even recognise you until 1859, which means that as far as Spain was concerned you were still Spanish territory. Argentina was not a successor to the Viceroyalty! Can you not get that?
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