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Falklands should not interfere with UK’s Latin America renewed approach
The Falkland Islands dispute must not get in the way of Britain boosting its relations with Latin America, Foreign Secretary William Hague said Tuesday. London has neglected its ties with the region for too long and Britain must re-launch its relations with Latin America as its importance on the global stage grows, Hague said. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMr. Hague may feel that 'the UK's retreat from Latin Amercia is over', but ... newsflash for Mr. Hague ... the LatAm nations will choose their own freinds from now on. They are no longer mere coloured patches on a map. They are evolving, dynamic societies determined to find their own way in the world and, while happy to be cordial and cooperative with all nations, will no longer be subject to the intentions of European or North American policies and strategies. But, hey, if the UK can compete in the LatAm marketplace ... bring it on. But, perhaps the welcome here will be greater is colonial baggage is left behind.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 03:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0He could as well have said:
Nov 10th, 2010 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There will be no change to Britain's long-standing position on the Falkland Islands. We are coming after your territories and natural resources. But this should not be an obstacle to the positive relations we seek.”
A piece of Hague's speech reads:
Nov 10th, 2010 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It was Britain that negotiated the terms of the independence of Brazil from Portugal.”
The truth: At first, Brazil's independence was accepted, albeit with little enthusiasm, by Portugal. But of course, the British saw further than all others. They advised the Portuguese to only accept the independence claim after being paid a sum in gold. And the Portuguese did just that. The Brazilian king Pedro I paid it, after all he was a heir of the Portuguese throne himself. He probably thought he could recover it in Portugal. But the gold didn't go to Portuguese Royal coffer; it went to British banks, to whom the Portuguese crown was highly indebted. That is “friendship” and “negotiation”, British Empire style.
The constant threatening presence of a British force under Arthur Wellesley, which became the most experienced and steady force in the British army, guarded Portugal and campaigned against the French in Spain alongside the reformed Portuguese army
Nov 10th, 2010 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paid in full
Well, then, the Portuguese should have paid their debt on their own. And Mr Hague should not have presented that so-called negotiation as something benign or something for which Brazil should be grateful to the UK. It was good business to the UK but a miserable deal to Brazil, one that only exposed the venal and subservient character of the Brazilian monarchy.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Falkland Islands DISPUTE must not get in the way of Britain boosting its relations WITH LATIN AMERICA”
Nov 10th, 2010 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahahaha...
What Mr Hague believes that it is becoming an imperialist power?
This reminds me of Obama talking about the great U.S. relations with the Muslim world. Or people in this forum talking about drop atomic bombs on BuenosAires.
Astrubal, enough of the “imperialist power” crap. The British Empire ended decades ago. Every former colony which requested it has been granted independence. You really need to get up to speed mate.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just another load of Arsedribble J.A., pay it the same attention as I do ....zero!
Nov 10th, 2010 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0From Mr. Hague own mouth:
Nov 10th, 2010 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“History teaches us that Britain has a track record of underestimating Latin America and neglecting its opportunities.”
“We believe that now is the time for Britain at last to think afresh about Latin America and the opportunities it presents for political cooperation and trade and investment that will benefit all our citizens.”
“We are in a new phase in the concert of nations, in which states that have not traditionally dominated or sought dominance have an equal role to play in world affairs.”
Etc….etc….etc…..
Enough sucking!
Question is?
Do you swallow?
Mr.Hague must have said:
Nov 10th, 2010 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I hope the situation of those 2000 rural loonies don´t obstaculize our last chance to have some influence in south america”
so bitter, these malvinistas. don't be disgusting cher think.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0re #4, the Duke of Wellington's British/Portuguese/Spanish army drove the French out of the lberian peninsula most likely liberating a lot of Argentine's ancestors. actually they owe us, where is their gratitude? won't get too involved in the Napoleonic wars as some of my ancestors are French!!
#11 Could you be more parochial?
Nov 10th, 2010 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great Britain ..... coming to a country near you ..... real soon :-)
Nov 10th, 2010 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Divide and conquer :-))
(11) Dearest Isolde
Nov 10th, 2010 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Disguuuusting ???
Well........
I suppose it depends wich side you are on .....
“We say to our partners in Latin America, we want to work closely”
Nov 10th, 2010 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What partners is the stupid talking about?
“we want Latin America to see the UK as the partner of choice in education and culture, offering new English language skills...” Haha this is very funny what for? Brits need Spanish and Portuguese lessons if they want to try to do business down here or find a job.
“There will be no change to Britain’s longstanding position on the Falkland Islands. But this should not be an obstacle to the positive relations we seek” No way keep dreaming of...
My tip to reinforce Brazil-Britain good relationship.
In 1800 Brazil was the bigger supplier of natural rubber.
Brazil to protect its market banned the exports of rubber tree seeds until British agents smuggled seeds to England in 1876 and planted them in Java, Sumatra and Malaysia.
They ruined Brazilian economy at the time.
We friends like this who needs enemies?
My main motto “If you see a Brit in your backyard first shoot him and then ask what he was looking for”.
It’s not very sophisticated but believe me really works.
PD: Don’t forget to buy a German HK416 first always works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMH94PuT_I
Nico. Argentina started the shooting in 1982 and look what the result was.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What partners is the stupid talking about?” Brazil for a start. Sorry for that Argentina...
Nov 10th, 2010 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Java and Sumatra were Dutch in 1876. Get your facts right. Oh and the smuggling rubber seeds is just another urban myth. They had rubber trees growing at Kew long before Brazil had even thought of making rubber...
As for your motto, you guys tried that in 1982 and got your asses well and truly kicked!
@J.A. Roberts
Nov 10th, 2010 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“is just another urban myth”
The only myth is you mate, agh! How painful is to educate Brits...
“Despite the ban, enterprising agents of the British Empire smuggled rubber tree seeds to England in 1876. Carefully cultivated seedlings were sent to Ceylon and later to Java, Sumatra and the Malay Peninsula” http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5350/is_200304/ai_n21329531/
And who was the guy? Sir Henry Wickham who was knighted after he smuggled 70,000 rubber tree seeds out of Brazil for the Kew Garden.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5350/is_200304/ai_n21329531/
I hope you have visited the Kew garden? Do you?
“They had rubber trees growing at Kew long before Brazil had even thought of making rubber”
Another of your eternal lies, Roberto grow up please. The more ignorant Brit knows that.
“The Thief at the End of the World: Rubber, Power, and the Seeds of Empire”
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5350/is_200304/ai_n21329531/
“As for your motto, you guys tried that in 1982 and got your asses well and truly kicked!”
Nice you have recognized yourself as our backyard.
Some insets are hard to get rid of specially when you have a huge backyard like ours.
But don’t worry in the end we always get the job done.
Hey Forget,
Nov 10th, 2010 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I read in many history books about Brazil, Dom Pedro I was Emperor of Brazil and was entitled for the title King of Portugal. Let's not forget either that with some help of the British, he did gained independence from Portugal and father. That he paid the gold to pay off the debt of Portugal to the UK was his plan with they eye of becoming King of Portugal, what was indeed a bad deal for the Brazilians, but business as usual for the British, in their point of view, what make sense. It did not made him popular and thats why had to step out. In overall, if you read the History without being biased, the UK had and still have great relationship with Brazil, maybe not really close friends, but no problems at all compare with the Argentinians. I also think that most Brazilians don't care at all that the Argentinians have issues with the UK, because they have no reason to care at all.
Robert, it is not a myth that a smart British (Henry Wickham) entrepreneur smuggled seeds from the Amazon state. He failed to become an entrepreneur in Brazil but realized that he could grew the same rubber trees in Malaysia. That's how Manaus-AM lost it's monopoly of the production of rubber. From failure, you learn and get creative to win.
Anyway, the UK has already great relationships with most countries in South America. Perhaps not so well with Argentina, what make sense if you understand an Argentinian from his/her point of view, but it does have great relationships, not only with Brazil, what they want to strengthen (what make sense), but also with Chile, Peru, Colombia, Guyana (their old colony) and Surinam (that was also discovered by them, and was not only once but twice in their hands before it was handed over to the Dutch). Like the Dutch in the North East of Brazil (Prince Maurits Oranje Nassau), what makes it interesting for me to read about Brazil.
“If you see a Brit in your backyard first shoot him and then ask what he was looking for”
Nov 10th, 2010 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha, You tried that in 82. After the firefight the only question Argentina was asking is how they can get the 10,000 POW's back from the UK.
Erm, NicoDim, you need to try a bit harder. Anyone can edit Wikipedia. And the other article is not evidence of anything either. It just repeats the myth. Do you have any real evidence? I doubt it.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know what the the most hilarious thing about your Wikipedia link is? Here, let me quote: ”there was, in fact, no law at the time forbidding their export (the rubber tree seeds) and it would appear that Wickham was trying to make his actions more exciting than they really were”
Yea, and Chile is also in your backyard. Still, you got your asses kicked. I see you don't deny that...
@ J.A.Roberts #21
Nov 10th, 2010 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wikipedia can be edited, History Books can't.
Instead of kicking arses, and laughing like a mofo, you'd better go to the library and do your own research and see if you can learn something.
And there it comes again, CHILE! Why are Chileans always being the clowns? If someone says ARGENTINA, a Chilean will appear. They're always depending on what we are doing or saying.
“Wikipedia can be edited, History Books can't.”
Nov 10th, 2010 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina proves this to be false.
@ Zethee #23
Nov 10th, 2010 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you're recognizing that your history books are false. That's why the British government continues to evade a dialogue. That's why the fears.
What...?
Nov 10th, 2010 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just...What?
“History books can't be edited”
“Argentina proves that they can be edited”
From that, you got British history is false?
Just to clarify(As i seem to increasingly have to while speaking to you, by the way) I was stating that Argentina's history is false.
“British government continues to evade a dialogue”
There is nothing to discuss.
@ Zethee.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If ours can, yours too. That's fair.
The islanders wishes are all that is relevant.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A great irony is that most of the evidence to refute the Argentine claim is in their own archives!
Nov 10th, 2010 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey will: We south american are not interested in relation with the uk!
Nov 11th, 2010 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0What does uk has to offer to us?
resources? NO!!!! money? NO!!!
Most of the resources in the south atlantic lies in the Argentine sea and not in those crappy Malvinas island!
The only thing uk can offers us is ......the national debt!!
Public uk deficit: 350 billion pounds/year,interest on principal:50 billion /year
Hey will do us a favour : do not even come close to SA,We do no need you,we do not want you!!
Adios will!!
Once we've drilled for all the Falklands oil, we'll be drilling sideways for miles under your noses, taking your oil too!
Nov 11th, 2010 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what are you going to do ?
WHINGE, WHINGE WHINGE!!!!
We are drilling before you!
Nov 11th, 2010 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Try us and get a bloody nose like the other time brit SOB!!
What, we got a bloody nose? Erm, I don't think so (unless of course you don't understand what a “bloody nose” means).
Nov 11th, 2010 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares when you started drilling...
#25 and #28: Are you sure you took your medication according to the doctor's prescription?
Nov 11th, 2010 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yaghan, unlike yourself we don't need blue pills.
Nov 11th, 2010 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And to the brit SOB,this is as far you will come to Argentina:http://en.mercopress.com/2006/04/07/john-cheek-fined-us-400-000-for-illegal-fishing
Nov 12th, 2010 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0And to the other brit ignorant robert,our history books tell us otherwise,not surprisingly Malvinas is only 300 nautical miles from Argentina,
What I mean for a bloody nose is this:http://en.mercopress.com/2006/04/07/john-cheek-fined-us-400-000-for-illegal-fishing
I do not care about you or your queen anyways....
and l am sure Tte Estevez that the Queen doesn't care about you either. also, for your information, there is no such place as the Malvinas. perhaps you really mean the Falkland lslands, they are about 400kms or so from Argentina. hope this helps
Nov 12th, 2010 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@35
Nov 12th, 2010 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas is only 300 nautical miles from Argentina
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
Now you go away and think about that Tte Estevez
@29
Nov 12th, 2010 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You as an individual might not be interested Steve but the legitimate governments in South America are interested in having a relationship with the UK.
No matter how much individuls like you shout and stamp your little feet and no matter how much wishful thinking you indulge in about how insignificant the UK has become the world just keeps on turning doesn't it Steve.
:-)
31 Tte Estevez
Nov 12th, 2010 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sorry mate I think , CBeebies are on another blogg.
Just trying to help ?
Wireles, it is true. Terminal patients are often deprived of medication. Good night, sweet prince!
Nov 12th, 2010 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stick up whatever you like:
- Please cite your information source: you copied and pasted the article from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Mart%C3%ADn_Garc%C3%ADa
As stated further down in this very article, the jurisdiction of the island was established by the Treaty of Río de la Plata in 1973. Furthermore, you omit to state that Argentina conceded the possession of Juncal Island in return.
The blue pill I was referring to helps your mind live the lie of your Government, maybe one day you'll consider taking the red pill instead, then you might wake up.
Nov 12th, 2010 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Furthermore, you omit to state that Argentina conceded the possession of Juncal Island in return
Nov 12th, 2010 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juncal_Island
From a geological point of view, the island is a mass of riverine affluvient founded on a precambrian granite core. The coasts are sandy and feature gentle inclines near the channels. The island is low and flat, and can be completely submerged during high water. It has a total length of 4.91 km and a maximum width of 1.95 km
Typical Argie Generosity,Uruguay got a great deal lol
@ stick up your junta #42
Nov 14th, 2010 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a embarrassment! Stop reading and editing Wikis. Buy a history book and read it.
See you tomorrow people.
Malvinas Argentinas, forever and ever!
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