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European countries can’t influence UK Falklands’ decisions, admits Spain
In spite of the fact that the Ibero-American leaders’ summit last weekend in Mar del Plata approved a document in support of Argentina’s sovereignty claims over the Falklands/Malvinas and other South Atlantic islands, Spain admitted European countries can not influence London’s decisions. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat a contemptible load of hogwash, so they've approved a document that says they'll support Argentinas claim and at the same time publicly admitted they'll do nothing to support it.
Dec 07th, 2010 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's no skin off our noses of course but it would be good to see other nations have enough pride to tell Argentina to shove it rather pay such transparent lip service to them.
Don’t be haughty with the Spaniards … Malvinero…
Dec 07th, 2010 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They could just arrest and deport those 625.000 illegal Brutons and ship them to Malvinas.
But we will not do it because Latinos are very nice civilized people :-)
“A million Britons live for all or most of the year in Spain, according to the British embassy, although only 375,000 have registered formally at local town halls. Many would rather the Spanish authorities, especially those who collect taxes, did not know they were there.
The one million figure makes them Spain's biggest immigrant group.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/24/spain-expats
Think, your stupidity is astounding! You think Spain would threaten to deport UK citizens when UK tourism is a HUGE part of their failing economy?
Dec 07th, 2010 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are an idiot, or wait a rutabaga...retard.
More nothing.
Dec 07th, 2010 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The United Kingdom listens to only one group. The British people of the Falkland Islands.
Who's next for the Argies? Martians, Venusians, the Comet People?
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Dec 07th, 2010 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah right, compare balance of trade between Britain and Spain, Spain and Argentina.
Dec 07th, 2010 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you were Spain who would you be prepared to kiss off.
OK El Thicko, you can go back to deluding yourself.
Back to the drawing board Think
Dec 07th, 2010 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news-spain.euroresidentes.com/2009/01/number-of-british-tourists-in-spain.html
Mercopress made a rather crucial error in the title!
Dec 07th, 2010 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(9)
Dec 07th, 2010 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's right.....
Quite funny
Freudian slip or divine intervention?
divine intervention?
Dec 07th, 2010 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ready for another try,or scared of the divine wind
Where......on any international map is Islas Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur and the adjoining maritime spaces. They only appear on Argentine maps . Adjoining maritime spaces.....where does that stop,New Zealand? How can intelligent people in advanced nations like Spain go along with this utter stupidity ? They are the Falkland Islands and they have been British LONGER than Argentina has been a sovereign nation.You dont have to be good at maths to work that one out..............
Dec 07th, 2010 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“How can intelligent people in advanced nations like Spain go along with this utter stupidity ?” Do you mean can or could? Why are the British ninnies so upset haha, I wouldn't call Spain and advanced nation... I wouldn't call the Uk an advanced whatever they are.
Dec 07th, 2010 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was obvious that none european nation can have influence in london's decisions regarding the malvinas dispute, just lock at gibraltar's situation, and you all will realise that there is nothing that european countries can do to try to find a solution for colonial disputes.
Dec 07th, 2010 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We only will keep on hearing the pathetic victimization from the f. i. g., and the shemefull ignorance that the u.k. do, to the resolutions from the general assembly.
If some of you would think unless a little, you would realise that we are not exacting the u.k. to transfer to us, the sovereignty of the malvinas, we are only asking you, to respect the resolutions from the general assembly, if those resolutions would be respected, we woulden't have the serious problems that we have now, beside none of the resolutions argue that the solution to the conflict is the transference of sovereignty to argentina, the u. n. only calls both parts to negotiate a pacefull solution, and that's all.
I hope that some day, the f. i. g., and the u.k. understand that in a negotiation, both parts will have to cede in their pretentions, dont be so affraid, notwithstanding negotiations are renewed, the islands wont never be only under argentine sovereignty, because during the negotiations, the islanders will proposse surelly to preserve their autonomy, however it's not imposible to find a solutions that respects also our rights.
Anyway i know the easyest way that the f. i. g., and the u.k. will take, is victimization, so, they should be honest, and recognize once and for all that they wont never negotiate with my country, because they want we to drop on our claim, sorry guys, but in spite that i know that the u.k. wont never negotiate with argentina, you will have to live with our claim for good, and thanks to the idiot intransigence of the f. i. g., we will have surelly more serious problems in the future.
Axel, you're a fool. Your government is ONLY willing to negotiate one issue - the transfer of sovereignty. And that is the ONE issue that the British will not negotiate.
Dec 07th, 2010 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you still don't have any rights!
... and you will have to live with a British Falkland Islands for good, thanks to the idiot intransigence of the Argentine government .......
But it is undestrandable all of this. We want to talk, they don't. It is very logical, right? We can do nothing but to talk with our “friends” (?) and wait for them to make a mistake, the same way they we did 30 years ago, and then zas! Malvinas. That's what i would do.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0“beside none of the resolutions argue that the solution to the conflict is the transference of sovereignty to argentina, the u. n. only calls both parts to negotiate a pacefull solution, and that's all.”
Dec 08th, 2010 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what, pray tell would Argentina be willing to discuss apart from sovereignty when sovereignty is the only issue..?
Axel- as other have pointed out - we cannot talk with you - for the simple reason that Argentina has made ir clear time and time again in public - it is NOT interested in any solution other than FULL ARGENTINE Sovereignty.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The day Argentina changes its tune and says - we want to talk on an open agenda with NO fixed preconditions on sovereignty - thats when we would have great difficulty in declining the invite.
Can you see Argentina ever proposing that?
Same happened in 2003 with the charter flights impass - we proposed - “Open Skies”- charter flights to the Islands for anywhere any nation - your K said NO-NIET - only Aerolineas Argentinas!!!
You are right islander, in 2003 you asked for open skies, but, what do you offer to open argentine skies? only argentines skies are on the table.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ask your selfdetermination and kick your masters to britannia, then you can enjoy development in south atlantic and open skies.
They don't have British masters Billious .... they ARE British :-)
Dec 08th, 2010 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what's more, they seem to be developing too :-))
can't get the British out of the south Atlantic Billy Boy ...... we are entrenched !
“we are only asking you, to respect the resolutions from the general assembly”
Dec 08th, 2010 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like you respect them yourselves Axel... Do you want me to list the UN Security Council resolutions Argentina has broken/ignored?
What has happened to your “survey”?
“ ... we are only asking you, to respect the resolutions from the general assembly...”
Dec 08th, 2010 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0We do respect them ... even though there hasn't been one since 1988. This last merely made a request. We have not agreed to the request .... but respectfully!
http://www.falklands.info/history/resolution4325.html
my valioso Islander mates !
Dec 08th, 2010 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas Islanders have to declare their Independence from
UK Monarchy by using self-determination rights..
and change their flag ( sheep figure !...what a shame !)..
after UN's recognising ....We may negotiate with them...!
Ed Banger ...... shouldn't you be in school?
Dec 08th, 2010 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20 “they ARE British”. Therefore not entitled to self-determination.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We must find a solution, so that future generations can live in peace.
no solution to find Malvin, the only step Argentina can take is the ICJ.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 026- suggest you read the Un Charter- all peoples are entitled to self-determination. Like so many you also dont understand what it is as a british Oversease Territory in 2010 - far far different from a British Colony in the 19th and 20th centuries! We ARE internally Independent with our own laws and lawmakers and have been so for many years. London does not have a vote in how we run the Islands - so long as we do it fairly and democratically with no corruption. Britain has the say in foreign affairs and defence - yes - because we are threatened by a big bully neighbour and we need the protection of a strong power.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A solution one day - Yes! - the only fair and realistic one looks like Independence - recognised formally by Argentina - then there would be no need for british forces here.
@28 “suggest you read the Un Charter- all peoples are entitled to self-determination”. But not to the territory of another country. The right to self-determination is a right recognized by the international community in favor of people under a colonial power. Therefore NOT be relied upon as a right of those who ultimately were imposed by the metropolis or who would be the representatives of the colonial power. The UN charter also says that any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes of it.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“European countries can’t influence UK Falklands’ decisions, admits Spain”
Dec 08th, 2010 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love the sense of importance given by themselves when Spanish talk to Americans countries about Europe.
I remember a Spanish politician talking to Americans as they were the natural nexus an interlocutor to Latam and so together (USA and Spain) could do a type of Plan Marshal for Latam.
He proposed that Spain would put some couple of billions USD while the Yanks would put something as 70 bn. The Americans of course laugh.
By the way may be we (South America) will make a Plan Marshal for the Spanish seems they need it more. haha
Translation for the title above would be “Spain cannot influence nobody due to lack of weight in the club and in the world and even though cannot influence UK over Gibraltar issue either.”
Here a similarity with UK hot air Balloon.
If we want to influence UK more than what can the Spanish we should send Maradona to talk with Mr. Cameron that would be enough. Haha
I recommend to politician next time to make a big South American Oktoberfest I don’t know if the Germans can do any better but would be a lot of fun. http://elsitiodelavilla.com/oktoberfest/
29- I realise the UN was not around in 1810- but from your argument please explain what right did your ancestors have to cease power then - they were a population who had indeed been colonial in the worst form and forced out the natural population!!
Dec 08th, 2010 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But now you are saying - those of us who have been born here for 6-8 generations are an imported population sent here and forced out another population!! Please be realistic.
The modern world pays total and final attention to the WISHES of the people of a place - not an ancient history of some doubt on either side.
Sorry - We do have the right of selfdetermination - end of. If you dont benieve it - try the IJC?
31@ I stole your home. You are the owner and claim. I say, until my children do not want it, does not restore home.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is Fantastic!
Of course islander you have the right to selfdetermination, but please use it, we are waiting; use it to kick your colonial masters back to britannia to end the conflict.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33
Dec 08th, 2010 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hows it self determination if your telling them what to do?
Billy, we dont have any colonial masters any more! We run our little country internally,by our FREE choice we select to keep Britain as our defender and thus to represent us overseas but we are also doing more and more of our own representing as well.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Believe you me - there would be no British Military here if it was not needed - but we know it is needed - otherwise your side would be back in here very quick.
Dont forget for many years there were NO British forces here. Then we had the plane hijack to here in 1966 - so UK sent later a small token garrisson of about 40 - so then in 1982 Arg mounted a full scale invasion - the rest is history. Your Govt may well say “it will not use force again” - but we have very good grounds for NOT always believing what Argentina says!!
REDHOYT. J. A. ROBERT. ISLANDER.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ISLANDER: I already discussed with you about that, but unlukily you dont apppear so often in mercopress.
Like i said before, if negotiations are renewed, likes our government or not, our country will have defenetly to cede in hes pretentions, that's what a negotiations is about, i think that you are taking into account only the articule that was incorporated to our constitution in 1994, wich refers our claim on the islands, that was made to assure that all the rest of the governments will keep our claim, but it does not mean that we wont have to cede in our pretentions, if the u.k. decides to renew the conversations with us, regarding the sovereignty.
Respecting the policy of open skys, i dont know anything about it, that's why i can't give any opinion.
Beside i understand that your people has reasons to distrusts what our politicians say, even we distrusts them too, however invading the islands, does not depend only on a president, we would reject it absolutly, i know my people, and i know what most they think, please learn to separate the context from the 1982, from the actual context, we are a democratic nation since 27 year ego, open your mind.
Redhoyt: I have always known that my country wont never recover the islands, this is evident that in spite of the passage of time, your country wants to be still a thief, it's really shamefull that such an admirable nation like the u.k., continues with colonial policys, and ignores the resolutions from the u. n.
On the other hand, i dont need to discuss with your everyday about the rights of my country on the islands, i respect your posture, but i prefer to take as valid all the knowleadge that i could incorporate from the professors of international right from the uba, like it or not, those people knows much more than you and i.
JASON: I am still traslating my survey, beside i am giving final tests, i dont know when i will publish it, i have no time, probably i can do it, in march.
Axel - you still have that fundamental problem I see.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. We don't believe that we are thieves because we believe that the islands are rightfully British and can put forward evidence to refute Argentina's argument.
2. We no longer have a colonial policy as we no longer have any colonies. The islands are a British Overseas Territory. Different status. Different management!
3. We are not ignoring any pertinent Resolutions from the UN. Resolutions are, in any case, merely recomendations. We have considered the request and chosen to do nothing. That is not ignoring it!
29 - Malvinense 1833 - even if the principle of territorial integrity applied in this case - and it is a very big “if” - the recent ICJ case on the unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo stated very clearly that self-determination trumps territorial integrity.
Dec 08th, 2010 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And please can you Argentines stop trying to say that the principle of self-determination does not apply to the Falkland Islanders. It does.
@ 38 The right to self-determination is a right recognized by the international community in favor of people under a colonial power. Therefore NOT be relied upon as a right of those who ultimately were imposed by the metropolis or who would be the representatives of the colonial power. The UN charter also says that any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes of it. The principle of self-determination does not apply to the British of Malvinas.
Dec 09th, 2010 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again, Rosalyn Higgins, BRITISH jurist: Should be said that the subject land comes first, until it is determined who owns the sovereignty is not possible to determine whether or not people have the right to self determination.
You are missing the point Marvin - Kosovo CHANGED that !
Dec 09th, 2010 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0(38) Pom In Oz
Dec 09th, 2010 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, it does not....... Not in Malvinas special case.......
(40) Redhoyt
The Kosovo ruling changed things...... only in Kosowo......
By the way, Kosovo's case is, in nearly every detail, diametrally opposed to the Malvinas case....
LAS ISLAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS. You speak of the islands do not even teach history in school or anything. Defend something that does not know. Sure, if you ask people on the street, what are the Falkland Islands? and where are located? not have the slightest idea. Pelotudos.
Dec 09th, 2010 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well done Think, wrong on both counts. It's the butterfly effect, one thing always affects another.
Dec 09th, 2010 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the Falklands case went to the ICJ following, for example, a unilateral declaration of independence do you really believe that the ICJ would come down against the islanders rights under the UN conventions to determine their own future (self determination), or would support Argentina's territorial claim (which is unsupported by 177 years of British de facto control) over and above the rights of the islanders to determine their own future.
If you do, then you should be campaigning for your Government to go to the ICJ.
You are talking out of your arse Malvinense. Let's just consider a few facts.
Dec 09th, 2010 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands are on the UN list of non self governing territories.
The peoples of all self governing territories have the the right to self determination
Therefore the Falkland Islanders have the right to self determination.
And as PominOz points out, self determination trumps territorial integrity every time. Argentina has been trying for years to get the UN GA to pass a resolution making an exception of the Falklands and has failed every time.
Please get your FACTS correct.
(43) Hoyt
Dec 09th, 2010 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Butterfly effect ???
You mean….. Ray Bradbury????
Nice tales matey…..
But still...... Pure Sciencen Fiction. :-)
44 J.A. Roberts (#) Just in your dreams Malvinas self-determination .Ok Man. The Malvinas Islands are Agentina. Please stop with your stupid comments about Self-determination. Shut up!!!!
Dec 09th, 2010 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@12 Viscount Falkland, agree completely
Dec 09th, 2010 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Xbox, so you don't like Spain either?
lets see xbox's dislike list so far
1) UK
2) Falklands
3) Chile
4) Uruguay
5) Spain
6) who's next? just who do you like, xbox?
@14 Axel,so you want to negotiate but don't want Sovereignty? well Axel, what do you want?
1) what do you want us to give you?
2) what are you going to give us?
3) as you don't want Sovereignty then just what are your rights that you say that we have to respect?
4) and because the FIG won't discuss Sovereignty with you, you threaten us “in the future”.
@26 Malvinense, you've told me your solutions, comrade,don't like any of them
@30 Nicodin, very nice oktoberfest, Nicholas. saw a Union Jack there! gave the place a bit of class! so, like xbox, you don't like the Spanish either. poor Espanols, almost feel sorry for them.
@32 Malvinense,but it was NOT your home,its OURS.
@36 Axel, 1) you cannot recover what you NEVER owned.
2) you will be the thieff if you try to take OUR islands.
3) your country has NO RIGHTS in OUR ISLANDS.
@46 Just run along home, nino
“ ... the International Court has taken a very strong position on these issues: stating that international law recognizes ”a right to self-determination for the peoples of non-self-governing territories” (para. 79) and that “the principle of territorial integrity applies only to the sphere of relations between states” (para. 80). The legality of Kosovo's declaration of independence is based on the former (an affirmative right belonging to the “people” of Kosovo), and Serbia's claims of “territorial integrity” in Kosovo are explicitly rejected by the latter ruling. This goes far further than simply saying that Kosovo's independence “wasn't illegal.” ...”
Dec 09th, 2010 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't know about SciFi Think ... but it's the future sure enough :-)
Hmm, I think the only person displaying any stupidity is you Kiwisarg. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the facts.
Dec 09th, 2010 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0#Kiwisarg bravo !
Dec 09th, 2010 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0my valioso mate ;
everybody must have own self-determination rights..
plus Kiwi( New Zealand ) too....
REDHOYT. ISOLDE . POMINOZ.
Dec 09th, 2010 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Redhoyt and isolde: I would like to know what arguments you have to refute our clame, because i have also many, to refute yours.
Beside, the resolutions from the general assembly must be respected, we are all subjects of right from the united nations.
Dont victimize the u.k., and the islanders for our soposed intransigence, if your side would respect the resolutions from the u. n., and renew the conversations about the sovereignty issue, we woulden't have the problems that we have now, you dont have to be so smart to realise about it.
The u.k. and the islanders have the idiot fantasy that maybe some day we will drop in our claim, but in spite that all of us know that we wont never recover the islands, you and the islanders wil have to live with our claim for good, like it or not.
Like i said before, we are note exacting you to transfer the sovereignty of the islands to us, we are only asking you to respect the resolutions from the u. n., and negotiate with us a pacefull solution, that's all, ¿ do you know what a negotiation is?, it means that both parts will have to cede in their pretentions, the islands wont never we only under argentine sovereignty, because during the negotiations, the islanders will propose surely to keep their autonomy, however it's not imposibe to find a solution that respects also our rights.
POMINOZ: You can be a lawyer, but this is evident that you know so little about international right, i already told you a few monthes ago, not to compare the kosovo case, with our cause of the malvinas, if self determination would be applicable to the islanders, the resolutions from the u. n. would recognize it, however none of them invoke that principple to finish with this dispute, however the gral assembly affirms that right for many other colonial situations, i suggest you to read resolution 2353, wich reffers gibraltar's situation, and you'll see what's the opinion from the general asembly respecting t, integrity.
Axel. GA Res 2352 refers to the territorial integrity of Gibraltar, not Spain. The territorial integrity of a non self governing territory cannot be disrupted in the process of decolonisation. There is no relevance to the Falklands. Perhaps you could explain.
Dec 09th, 2010 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another thing: You say that if self determination was applicable to the islanders then UN resolutions would respect that. Have you actually read any of them? They do. Every single GA and SC resolution with regard to the Falklands makes reference to resolution 1514 of 1960 where the right to self determination for the peoples of non self governing territories is very clear.
It is always entertaining to read the back and forth comments between the Brits, Islanders and the poorly informed (Argentines). As I always say, I find it very amusing how people from Argentina, believe so blindly in the Malvinas Myths (unilateral oil decisions, colonisation, implantation etc etc) and actually argue for them, by using very little evidence and actually arguing against the very people they are referring to...surely the population of the Falklands actually know what is going on in the Islands better than our 'peaceful' neighbours across the water. My family has been in the Falklands, pretty much from the very beginning, I am 7th generation Islander, something I am immensely proud of, and something I repeat frequently, but the 3rd generation Argentines, believe they have more right to the Falklands than me and my family, and they do not see the irony! I have to commend RedHoyt, J.A. Roberts, Islander1 and Westisbest and the rest of the gain for arguing our case every day against the poorly informed. I wish I had the time, but it makes my day when I see Axel, Think and the rest struggle to actually understand the truth. Keep the Faith!
Dec 09th, 2010 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“if your side would respect the resolutions from the u. n., and renew the conversations about the sovereignty issue”
Dec 09th, 2010 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go read the resolutions again axel. the UN never asked the UK cede sovereignty to Argentina or even discuss it. The UN asked asked both partys to sit down and discuss the islands becoming an independant nation.
This is, however not something Argentina would allow, and is not something the Islanders want, so it has not happened.
How Argentinians think that a body created to give people Self Determination should be used as a tool to take away peoples Self Determination is beyond me.
actually, the population of the FALKLAND ISLANDS is made up of:
Dec 09th, 2010 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ethnic groups 61.3% Falkland Islander[a]
29.0% British
2.6% Spaniard
0.6% Japanese
6.5% Chilean & Other[1]
YES SPANISH! HYPOCRITES!
I dont see anyone complaining about the Japanese or Chilean residents either...
besides Argentina tore up the UN agreeement in the 90's so whats the problem? I notice they only shout and cry when Oil is found, and then when theres no oil they go strangely quiet.
Now listen, this is important. The United Nations have told Argentina to politely GO AWAY and sort it out with the UK, take the hint
WAR is the ONLY way the Falklands will ever be Argentian, London will never give that oil away, and yes it is 'mostly' about oil.
Spain can't influence their own decisions!
Dec 09th, 2010 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think this is mainly about oil, and the oil isn't London's to give away.
Dec 09th, 2010 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel, my argument is simple. The sovereignty dispute was between Spain and Britain ONLY. Britain reasserted its right in 1833 and Spain did not. End of story!
Dec 10th, 2010 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for being under some obligation to UN Resolutions, please tell that to Iran, or North Korea, or the USA come to that. UN Resolutions are merely recomendations. A fact that has been reinforced by the ICJ on a number of occassions. The ONLY Resolutions that may carry any real effect are those coming from the Security Council. And even that's arguable!
Whether or not Argentina drops its claim is irrelevant. The fact remains that the islands are currently British and will remain so until the islanders are ready for independence.
And you are wrong about Kosovo. excuse me for repeating myself (with a few changes) -
“ ... ... the International Court has taken a very strong position on these issues: stating that international law recognizes ”a right to self-determination for the peoples of non-self-governing territories” and that “the principle of territorial integrity applies only to the sphere of relations between states”. The legality of the Falkland Island's declaration of independence is based on the former (an affirmative right belonging to the “people” of the Falkland islands), and Argentina's claims of “territorial integrity” in the Falkland Islands are explicitly rejected by the latter ruling...”
One thing about courts is that they are inclined to look at their previous decisions and follow the same line of reasoning. Every case is therefore capable of becoming a precedent and that is the power of the Kosovo case for future declarations of independence. Territorial integrity has clearly been held only to apply to the relationship between States! If the Falklands declared their independence then at that moment they would not be a 'State' and the territorial integrity' argument disappears!
Go back to Geography Axel, because you're crap at international law :-)
Interestingly Norway still claim the Shetlands etc but the UK arent giving those away either
Dec 10th, 2010 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you had upto 4 billion barrels of oil in the current economic climate, and when oil is reaching its peak production, would you simply hand it back?
To be perfectly honest I believe most of this is due to Argentine elections coming up, the sooner Kirschner is out the better it will be for everybody. I wish they would take their attention away from the Falklands and start looking after their own people in Argentina
Norway still claim the Shetlands? Really? Perhaps we should claim Calais again, since it used to belong to us once...
Dec 10th, 2010 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0let us claim Santa Cruz province. after all its as close to the Falklands as the Falklands are to Argentina!(naturally!). they love proximety. lets see, they've only been there just over 100 years(squatters?).
Dec 10th, 2010 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@lsolde
Dec 10th, 2010 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do it who is stopping you mate. ha ha ha
early days yet nicholas. maybe the people there would like our stability and assistance to develope their oil and gas. more than they'd get from BA
Dec 10th, 2010 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina!(naturally!). they love proximety.
Dec 10th, 2010 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sure do
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
@lsolde
Dec 10th, 2010 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0W o W
(.....)
Amazing, and what else can you bring from such developed nation like yours Sir?
By the way what’s your nation???
@Sticky
There are some Bolivians calling for you in Villa 31...
(61) Cher Isolde
Dec 10th, 2010 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You squatters already tried to invade and colonize Santa Cruz in the past....... As well as Tierra del Fuego...............
But we kicked you out....
Read your own history....
That's why we don't trust you..............;-)
Gosh .. Think's statement confused me for a second, I thought he said -
Dec 10th, 2010 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... You would-be squatters already tried to invade and colonize the Falklands Islands in the past....... As well as South georgia...............
But we kicked you out....
Read your own history ...”
Interesting stuff isn't it. So somemone finally woke up to the fact that Spain acceded to the Treaties of Rome, Maastericht and Lisbon, in which the EU recognise the status of the Falkland Islands as an overseas territory of the UK. Someone will surely correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think Spain registered any reservation on this when signing up.
Dec 10th, 2010 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0And Spain will be in dire need of the fullest co-operation from the UK banking system soon when it requires a Euro bailout...who will be their best mates then do you think ??
So Think you didn't realise there is freedom of movement throughout Europe ? Failing to register for tax does not equate to illegal immigration.
Oh and by the way - none of the UN resolutions require the Falklands to be stifled by nil development; that would be very UN like. Only Argentina and its distorted view of history and world affairs thinks that anyone would seriously suggest the Islands did not have the right to progress like any other civilised nation.
Your big problem Argies, is that to deny self-determination you would have to demonstrate to the ICJ that the Falklands was once an integral part of Argentine territory, and that you must know in your hearts you will seriously struggle to do.
Anyone who has been here is impressed by the steady and solid transition of the Falkland Islands from feudalism to confident successful small self governing country. Only those who will not look and cannot see can live in this timewarp of territorial claim over the rights of people.
Time to move on thinkers, and leave the goons behind.
M_OF_FI. J. A. ROBERT. ZETHE. REDHOYT.
Dec 10th, 2010 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I respect the national proud of all of you, i have also mine, but like it or not, as long a your side keeps on rejecting to discuss with my country about finding a pacefull and nagotiated solution for the conflict, we will have more serious problems in the future, beside i agree with you about that there is so much ignorance regarding this issue and many other, but it happens also in your side.
We are not exacting you to accept only the argentine sovereignty, we just want the resolutions from the u. n. to be respected, it's obvious that notwithstanding the conversations are renewed, both parts will have to cede a 50% in their pretentions, this is why the islands wont never be only under argentine sovereignty, beside none of the resolutions affirm that the solution to the conflict is the transference of sovereignty to arg., instead of using that stupid irony, think deeply about the situation, and with the passage of time, you will realise the intransigence never helps.
On the other hand, both parts of the conflict distort the history, and tell only what is convenient for them, this is why it's so important to survey.
Beside, what some of you call recomendations, respecting the resolutions from the general assembly, must be espected, dont pretend that we do nothing, if you ignore, or reject to discuss with us about the sovereignty, victimazing is really pathetic.
I suggest you to read other resolutions from the general assembly, were self det. is perfectly invoked.
Read newly the resolution 2353 wich reffers gibraltar's situation, and be serious and obejetive when you interpret it.
Beside in resolution 1514, territorial integrity is included too, not only self det.
On the other hand, kosovo is very diferent than our cause, that place was part of the serbia territory, and for cultural reasons they decided to separate, in the case of the malvinas, they are ocuppyed by another country since 1833, and we claim for them.
@ 58 Red, Geography. The Malvinas Islands are located off the provinces of Santa Cruz and Tierra del Fuego. And under the province of Buenos Aires. Data not take us out of our land and to confirm the geology and that make them a natural unit of Patagonia. The facts of history are consistent with those of geography.
Dec 10th, 2010 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas is not Kosovo. There is another case: Cameroon-Nigeria.
Cameroon won, despite the fact that Nigerians had long occupied territory of Cameroon. While it may be argued that the General Assembly only recommended, urged or invited the parties to negotiate, that are actually traded, implied, or accepting the contents of General Assembly resolutions as binding, or the emergence of a particular customary rule. The United Kingdom can not ignore the existence of the conflict and therefore can not ignore the obligation to resolve by peaceful means.
You two live in cloud cuckoo land. UN Resolutions are not binding - do some research!
Dec 10th, 2010 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel, you asked me to state my argument ... I've stated it, but you have made no response other than the usual cr*p about us 'having' to negotiate. NO WE DON'T ... that clear enough for you?
Kosovo indicates the way the ICJ think and will be used as a precedent in future cases. Trying to say it's different merely shows your lack of understanding in legal matters.
Marvin - geography is irrelevant. The islands are British regardless of how far away they are from the British Isles, or how much closer they are to the south cone.
Argentina's historical and legal arguments were defeated in 1833, and you two haven't come up with anything to refute that!
....and now watch Southern Sudan and see who the world supports.
Dec 10th, 2010 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(68) Stillakelper
Dec 10th, 2010 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”So Think you didn't realise there is freedom of movement throughout Europe ?
Failing to register for tax does not equate to illegal immigration.”
I say:
By EU law, EU citizens are obliged to register with the authorities of the Country in which they want to reside for more than 3 months per year.
This legislation allow member countries to deport ”problematic individual or groups” of EU citizens.
Latest example was, this year, deportation of hundredes of East EUropean gypsies.
Homeless and drogadicts are deported by the thousands every year, mostly from the North-West to the South-East corners of the European Union.
Anyhow lad, …….my comment about Spain deporting ¾ of a million illegal Bruts to Malvinas was not ment to be taken seriously.
Evidently many of you squatters lack any sense of humour………………
@71 Red, The arguments were not defeated, so had to use force in 1833.
Dec 10th, 2010 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's funny, but no one says what the British rights.
“We are not exacting you to accept only the argentine sovereignty”
Dec 10th, 2010 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's not what the Argentine constitution says...
@ think
Dec 10th, 2010 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Homeless and drogadicts are deported by the thousands every year, mostly from the North-West to the South-East corners of the European Union
But of course the Argies are more Enlightened and caring where the homless are concerned
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/53613
REDHOYT. J. A. ROBERT.
Dec 10th, 2010 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Redhoyt: In my commennst number 151, and 173 or 75, from the articule about, the falklands want a louder voice in the world's stage, you'll find some of the argumenst that i use to refute yours, there is a lot more to add, but you know that we have no so much characters to type here.
Beside, you have no idea about what you are saying, on the other hand, your country has right to reject the conversations respecting the sovereignty of the islands, but dont complain if we have more serious problems in the future, dont victimize your country and the f. i. g., if you ignore the resolutions from general assembly, and the international comunity.
Like i said before, i respect your posture, but what is relevant for me, is the knowleadge of academic people, and that's not your case.
Jason: Our constitution can say whatever, but if negotaitions are renewed, defenetly we will have to cede a 50% of our pretentions, like us or not.
That's what a negotiation is about, ¿ do you know what a negotiation is?.
Think, I have missed out on this on abit but since when did Arg kick out the early settlers who went to Santa Cruz province and TDF and started the first farms there long before Buenos Aires effectively arrived? History tells that around Rio Gallegos the £Sterling was actually the effective currency for many years until a provincial Argentine Govt got set up. The first sheep in that area came from the Falklands as did the first settlers - so yes we probably could make a claim using the same twisted logic you use to claim here!
Dec 10th, 2010 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 078 Islander1 (#) What hell are your comments, man!! Rediculous!!!!
Dec 11th, 2010 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have readed a 80 very bad comments. I think It is no the best way to discusse this issues of sovereigns of the Malvinas Islands/Falkland. we Could find a good way to share but locals people who were born in the Islands Malvinas not people imposed by UK people to settle in the Islands We can works together for a near future as a part of Tierra del Fuego province Argentina. You know that the Islands are coming back soon. It is just a time, because the colony is over and the English knows it and they know as well, and UK are making so much noises with the missiles and attacks workouts, showing his power over Argentinos! And they're trying to take the wealth of this poor little islands that Argentines for a sentimental question for Brits does not mean nothing but exploit the resources of these poor little islands that we both want. Please 78 Islander1 (#)you are tlaking about The first sheep ......bla,bla, ja,ja
Axel - I have a lot of understanding about what I'm saying. It's all checkable, and the fact that Argentina is making no headway with its spurious claims is evidence that I'm correct.
Dec 11th, 2010 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British reaffirmed their superior right to sovereignty in 1833, and in case you thicko's haven't noticed we've been there ever since. Your one serious attempt to do something about it failed, and that again, reinforced our right.
Kiwi - you appear to be living on another planet, the Falklands may yet become independent, but they will never be a part of Argentina!
(78)
Dec 11th, 2010 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Correct………..
We didn’t kick the settlers out; we kicked the British colonial ambitions out.
Patagonia has historically been the end station for some of the most uncanny immigrant group and individuals on Earth.
It would not be far from the truth to say that we Patagonians are all a bit nutty……
Of course, you Islanders know that…. We both have been shaped and bent by the same winds.
Nevertheless, the abyssal discrepancy between us is not race, origins, culture, mentality or religion…………
It’s allegiance.
Patagonians (descendents of the early settlers from Malvinas included) allegiance is with our Patagonia, our Region, Argentina and Chile.
Islander’s allegiance is with Britain and the Commonwealth.
“ ... Islander’s allegiance is with Britain and the Commonwealth ....”
Dec 11th, 2010 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0And that is as it should be :-)
And that is why someboby will have to move...........
Dec 11th, 2010 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where will you go ??
Dec 11th, 2010 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
ps check out http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFLDE6B917Y20101210?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
“defenetly we will have to cede a 50% of our pretentions”
Dec 11th, 2010 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's not much evidence of that ever happening Axel. In fact, there is a lot more evidence to the contrary.
And that is why someboby will have to move
Dec 11th, 2010 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lebensraum?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
Methinks the great unwashed did not like my comments re the claiming of Santa Cruz province, twas only a jest but the more l think about it the more attractive it becomes. we were there before the Argentineans so if they seriously claim the Falklands then we should seriously claim Santa Cruz. or at least include the subject IF ever we have “negotiations”
Dec 11th, 2010 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0would you like to have shared sovereignty(with us) of Sta Cruz province, amigos? no? porque?
@65 nico, don't think l'll tell you my nation, you might claim it.
@69 & 77, Axel just give up will you? we don't HAVE to “negotiate” anything with you and your country has no rights in the Falklands.
@79 Kiwisarg. do you know what you are posting? its complete drivel.
“we were there before the Argentineans” Exactly!
Dec 11th, 2010 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Port Desire British FOREVER!
@83
Dec 11th, 2010 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And that is why someboby will have to move...........”
Not us though think, in spite of Argentinas best efforts.
:-)
Get rid of the Spanish from Santa Cruz province
Dec 11th, 2010 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its nearer to the Falklands than Spain
it was stolen from the Falklands,
Spanish not wanted down here blah blah etc and more nonsense
like all lies and cheats, most european countries will not fully support Argentina wthout exposing there own lands of occupation, we all know that spain and france and others, have oversees lands, so they can hardly demand we give back what we own, then they would have to give back what they stole ?
Dec 11th, 2010 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think alot of people are missing the point.
Dec 11th, 2010 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands are owned by the UK and always will be. No one other than the UK Government can decide otherwise. Even the UN have no power to force us to abandon the islands. A war is the only way those islands will be taken by Argentina and if that were to happen then the UK may not stop at retaking the Falklands they may even claim Argentina which lays on OUR Falkland Islands continental shelf.
Yes thats right lets negotiate sovereignty of Argentina its owned by the UK! Its on our continental shelf after all.... argument works both ways does it not?
Argentina, part of the falkland islands, [looking good]
Dec 11th, 2010 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(87) Isolde
Dec 11th, 2010 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are missing a petit detail mon cheri….....
As you very well know, the Argentinean Constitution grants you settlers automatic Argentinean Citizenship…………………..
Why claim something you already own?
Always welcome in your Patagonia, compatriota :-)
Always welcome in your Patagonia, compatriota :-)
Dec 11th, 2010 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that is why someboby will have to move
Can you explain think
@sweetjudy21
Dec 11th, 2010 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WOW we are so scary since when little UKI can claim anything?
When that will happen?
Stop smoking that crap please.
Yes stupid aint it nicotine,but no more stupid than Argentina getting the Falklands
Dec 11th, 2010 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The argument works both ways unfortunately, you claim the Falklands, we claim Argentina (seeing as we had the Falklands first)
Dec 11th, 2010 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you see how redicoulus the argument is that UK can have Argentina?
Well thats exactly how the UK feels about you having the Falklands
Now you should be able to see out absolutely daft the whole thing is
ISOLDE. REDHOYT.
Dec 11th, 2010 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REDHOYT: All my arguments are also perfectly checkable, in fact i told you some of the names of the british professor who i included in my survey, i have so muc more to tell you, but you know that we have no space.
I hope you read my investigation when i publish it, and give me your opinion, there are a lot of important facts that you ignore.
ISOLDE: Because of the intransigence of people who thinks like you, we have the problems that we have now, some day you will have to forget about the idiot fantasy about that we drop on our claim.
As long as you keep on rejecting to discuss with us, it's hightly probable that we have more problems in the future, so, dont complain if it happens.
forget about the idiot fantasy about that we drop on our claim.
Dec 11th, 2010 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and you forget the idiot fantasy that we give up the Falklands
“Because of the intransigence of people who thinks like you, we have the problems that we have now”
Dec 11th, 2010 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe the problem started when 10,000 Argenian troops invaded the islands.
Then again, i could be wrong, the entire problem could be because british people on the internet disagree with your oppinion.
You're an idiot.
Think, much of what you say is correct- we are all certainly shaped by the same westerly wind we lean into at times Most of us are campers at heart and many of our traditional camplife names are a mix of English and Spanish on both sides. For me it is as shame ther is not a lot more easy movement between Santa Cruz,The Islands,TDF and Magallanes.Between us we have a lot to offer the American and European Tourists for just a start. The folks of Magallanes and yourselves in SantaCruz no doubt feel you are Patagonians first and then Chilean or Argentine.I agree we are all proud of where we live in the south. Here many of us feel we are Islanders first - and then British.
Dec 12th, 2010 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is nothing to do with any remnant of old dead colonialism - its just where your roots come from and your allegiance - same as you have yours.
If a way can be found of getting around all the hot air and attitudes of the Portenos towards us(and I accept maybe also one or two of the jingoists on this side as well) - then one day we southerners will indeedbe able to get along much better as neighbours.
(102)
Dec 12th, 2010 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“That is nothing to do with any remnant of old dead colonialism
- its just where your roots come from and your allegiance - same as you have yours.”
I say:
Sorry but………………It has everything to do with remnants of colonialist mentality.
In any given day down here, I may easily come in contact with people of Welsh, French, Croat, Japanese, Scottish, German, Armenian, English, Lebanese, Russian, Norwegian .........not to mention Italian and Spanish descendence.
Most of them uphold, proudly and fiercely, their mother countries traditions, idiosyncrasy and mindset.
Nevertheless, none of them would dream of breaking apart a lump of Patagonia and hand it out on a silver plate to their Country of Origin.
That’s what “Colonials” do…..… That’s what you settlers are doing………
As I wrote above, allegiance is the abysm between us.
I am convinced that, for the most of us, it wouldn’t take longer than a weekend of horse racing, sheep shearing, whisky drinking and a couple of fistfights to embark in some kind op constructive communication……
(Assuming you are not sore losers :-)
But……………. Not as long as you Islanders continue being instrumental in the British South Atlantic Domination Geopolitical scheme and the siphoning of the resources of our region to the UK,
And……………………. Be kind not to start with the “1982 blame game”.
It all started much earlier………………….
It's not 'your' region Think .... it's a region .............. and we happen to be there too, together with the Chileans, the Uruguays, the Brazilians and even the French!
Dec 12th, 2010 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0This reality is highly unlikely to change .................. haven't you noticed :-)
“I am convinced that, for the most of us, it wouldn’t take longer than a weekend of horse racing, sheep shearing, whisky drinking and a couple of fistfights to embark in some kind op constructive communication……”
Dec 12th, 2010 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0And yet, the islanders disagree with you, at every step. Think, you are wrong.
( 104 ) Hoyt
Dec 12th, 2010 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since when is “Our” synonym with Argentina?
If I wanted to say Argentina I would have written Argentina.
That “Our” includes the whole of South America.
It even comprises the Islanders with the right regional allegiance.
But it does not include France or Norway and most certainly not Great Brutain ………..
Says who ..... ?
Dec 12th, 2010 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nevertheless, none of them would dream of breaking apart a lump of Patagonia and hand it out on a silver plate to their Country of Origin.
Dec 12th, 2010 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0That’s what “Colonials” do…..… That’s what you settlers are doing………
Think talking bollox again,The Falklands are not part of Big foot,never were or will,
British South Atlantic Domination Geopolitical scheme and the siphoning of the resources of our region to the UK,
Yes us Brits are rolling in it from all that money being channeled up from the Falklands,still it pays for the millions we spend on its defence
Think or Dr Think doctoral level talking bollox
New World Order
Dec 12th, 2010 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0World Governance “Its thanks to EU tat G20 was born. We took the initiative to create this embryo
of World Governance”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bypLwI5AQvY&NR=1&feature=fvwp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bypLwI5AQvY&NR=1&feature=fvwp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bypLwI5AQvY&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Roma Immortalis strikes again IHS (Iesus Heiland Seligmacher)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bypLwI5AQvY&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Britain will not longer exist and will be in the Saeculum Obscurum (Dark Age) again.
For the Glory of the new Roman-German Empire.
RIP †
///
( ÷÷ )
^^^
Cuack
“none of them would dream of breaking apart a lump of Patagonia and hand it out on a silver plate to their Country of Origin.
Dec 12th, 2010 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0That’s what “Colonials” do…..… That’s what you settlers are doing………”
and what do you base that on Think? nothing except what you have to believe to attempt to validate your descrimination against us. It's rather quaint how you in Argentina like so many other colonial nations refuse to aknowledge that colonies can move on in any other way than independance, preferably acrimonious. So you historically had a beef with Spain and threw out your allegience with them. We have no such beef with Britain Think, and you know what, if you don't like it?.....too bad, dry your eyes princess.
:-)
#106
Dec 12th, 2010 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0maashallah...Think...maashallah !
Thinks Utopia,all south americans living in harmony,as long as they dont move to Argentina
Dec 12th, 2010 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/53690
(110) Westi
Dec 12th, 2010 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are just smalltalking to to weasle out of the real challenge on my post (103) huhhhh…...............Chicken..........
I’ll bet, my old faithful Criollo steed could beat your Dashing Dancer anytime.
(He’s a mean kicker and biter :-)
And always remember....
! WestisBest !
(Who lives West from you... huhhhhh? )
Everybody ... depends on how far you go :-)
Dec 12th, 2010 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are you blithering about think?
Dec 12th, 2010 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(114) Hoyt
Dec 12th, 2010 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not when you live at latitude 51°40' South …..........
You northern Ingnoramus :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoramus
(115) WesisBest
Evidently you are not a Horseman....
Ask somebody at the pub who Dashing Dancer is............
Be prepared to some condescendent looks..............
Think 103. Thats the problem- so many of you on your side of the water just refuse to understand or acknowledge that the world has moved on since colonial imperialism- UK takes from us only what we decide to give- all natural resources and all our national income is ours - not theirs. We have moved on since 1965 and have tried to furthersince 1982 - it is the modern Argentina that has recently forced our mindset back to 1982 - not us. As a mere 3000 people its fairly natural for us- under threat from a beliigerent neighbour - to be happy to still have a friendly big brother looking after us - and its natural for that one to be the one whose heritage and language etc most of us originated from many generations ago. Same in a way as the warm relations between many S American States and Spain.
Dec 12th, 2010 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes a good camp sports bash with some of you folks could help - youd be surprised at the place you find. I recall a large group of Arg media who came on the first Lan flight from RioGallegos in 1999 - by the end of a week here their mindset was- “We have always believed you are Argentine and should be - but clearly you are not, nor should be forced to become - BUT - how do we get out of this messy problem without a big loss of face?”
More focus on that question would probably do us all a lot of good.
Silly time…………………….
Dec 12th, 2010 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Promising Friday night on a Stanley Pub (as I see it in my mind's eye) with some seriously good Swedish decadent music :-)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKhjaGRhIYU
Wish I was there brothers ……………….:-)
I do know about Dashing Dancer, just couldn't care less as you are correct, I'm not a horseman.
Dec 12th, 2010 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd take your challenge on the whisky drinking and punch up mind, IME you latino types can't hold your liquor and can't fight for toffee, none of that Ballentyne's piss in the drinking contest though, proper malt only.
:-)
Nico has finally degraded into a New World Order fanatic.
Dec 12th, 2010 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grats.
Not one cromosome of Latino in my DNA lad.....
Dec 12th, 2010 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmmmm....
Fists and Malt.......
Sounds Patagonian enough for me....
I’ll give you 25 yards handicap at the Wellie wanging though……
So you have a chance of winning one of three :-)
“Not one cromosome of Latino in my DNA lad.....”
Dec 12th, 2010 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I suspected before that you could be 100% german, Herr & Frau Think emmigrated to Argentina in some haste in 1945 correct?
Perhaps Scnapps would be a more appropraite drink for you then.
;-)
From the desk of think
Dec 12th, 2010 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that is why someboby will have to move
Lebensraum
very German
Our names are on ze list.
Dec 12th, 2010 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-O
I am not soooo old :-)
Dec 12th, 2010 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But, thinking about that, one of my good neighbours mentioned once arriving in submarine....
Besides.... it is spelled “Schnapps”...................
My thing is Moskowskaya....
Not for amateurs........
Ok, we've discovered Think is a closet Nazi, and all this talk of a new world order from his mates does suggest the Third Reich mentality, lets tell Mossad, I'm sure they will be very happy to investigate them further.
Dec 12th, 2010 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You never know, they may all even 'disappear', but then they are used to that.
Besides.... it is spelled Moskovskaya
Dec 12th, 2010 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those WWII chicks knew how to sing!
Dec 12th, 2010 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Iryna
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrUjAz4Kh5A&feature=related
Vera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrUjAz4Kh5A&feature=related
Marlene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrUjAz4Kh5A&feature=related
Those 1982 Lads
Dec 12th, 2010 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc-pcrfE6e
'I’ll give you 25 yards handicap at the Wellie wanging though……
Dec 12th, 2010 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you have a chance of winning one of three :-)'
......are you sure you're not from round here, Think? I think you'd fit right in with the seamier side of Stanley life, and Sports Week would be right up your street.
(131) Monty69
Dec 12th, 2010 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'd fit right in with the seamier side of Stanley life” you say.
Are you kidding me?
You don't even have a proper brothel!
Hmmmmm…….
Just got a business idea……
I’ll get the girls.
Lewis Clifton fixes the entire “legal” framework.
You could be the manager…….. with that name of yours :-)
#129 - Correct Think -
Dec 12th, 2010 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1-BXAzVyhQ
(Not often I use anything Youtube)
“You don't even have a proper brothel!”
Dec 12th, 2010 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Real men don't have to pay for it think.
'You could be the manager…….. with that name of yours :-)'
Dec 13th, 2010 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you're probably being smutty, Think, although I don't really understand what you mean. And I don't think moonlighting as the madam of a brothel would be a very good career move.
Why don't you apply for a work permit? The Falklands needs enterprising young chaps like yourself.
First you tell me that I'd fit right in Stanley and then you start being insolent!
Dec 13th, 2010 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0A Work permit ???
Work ???
Me ???
A local old drunk is drinking in Port Stanley's Deano’s Bar.
A tiny gay fellow sits beside him. After a few beers, the gay guy whispers, “Do you want a blow job?”
The gigantic man flips out, roars in anger, and tosses the little guy out of the bar, then returns to his stool.
The shocked bartender says, “I’ve never seen you react like that. What did that guy say?”
“Dunno. Something about a job.”
Yes, very good, the old ones are the best.
Dec 13th, 2010 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And do you know how to make a million pounds?
Buy an Argie for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth.
My comment about not getting into an arse- kicking competition with a porcupine still stands ;-)
Carefull with the Argie steel toecap Wellies........... you British hedgehog :-)
Dec 13th, 2010 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina, the land of many mouths, but little teeth.
Dec 13th, 2010 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ZETHE:
Dec 13th, 2010 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't believe how moron you are, the only thinkg you know how to do, is victimizing your country and the islanders, and dont recognize the mistakes that your side makes.
I never denyed the serious mistakes that my country made, if the war of 1982 would not have happened, we would not be discusing about the problems that we have today, beside you should rethink too that if your crown woulden't have take a place that didn't belong to you, all this terrible events woudent have happened, but as usual victimization is your best game.
In spite that we never agree in our opinions, i thought that you were an inteligent guy, but some times you show once and again how fool you are, like it or not, as long as your country and the f. i. g. keep on rejecting the resolutions from the u. n., we will have surely more serious problems in the future, so, dont complain if it happens, and i will keep on reading more of your pathetic victimization.
i will keep on reading more of your pathetic victimization
Dec 13th, 2010 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems that you have other victims
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11977629
@Monty69
Dec 13th, 2010 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Buy an Argie for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth.”
No mate you are wrong this is a European joke about the arrogant Brits.
An Argie just jump from his ego while crashing some Brits in the process when hitting the floor.
Do you remember?
@Sticky
Why you don’t setup a site called Bolivian/Peruvian daily news?
Sticky reporting Peruvian culture from Buenos Aires http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj8lvLcPyLI
Good luck with your new business mate.
Axel, your self-righteous pompous rubbish makes me feel a bit ill. Yours is the defence used by bullies and abusers through the ages. Horrible men who thump their wives always tell them it's their fault for not behaving properly.
Dec 13th, 2010 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're behaving like shits, and the only thing to blame is your pathetic idea of what you're worth. Your country is a disgrace; you're a disgrace. Sort yourselves out and leave us alone.
Our 'Crown' Axel, kept what belonged to it and what HAD NEVER belonged to Argentina.
Dec 13th, 2010 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you not heard - Uti Posseditis Juris was not an accepted aspect of international law in 1833. Widely proclaimed in South America in 1848, although Argentona's voice was noticable by its abscence at that time!
If you didn't inherit, then you argument falls apart!!
@Monty69
Dec 14th, 2010 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Horrible men who thump their wives always tell them it's their fault for not behaving properly”
Wow, I knew that physical punishment on children was common in Britain and also widely accepted in Anglo culture.
I also heard that Brits are pretty famous for become violent with their wives after a couple or larger .
But I didn’t know that this behavior had extended to the Islands.
Did you have a husband that used to beat and abused you?
Very bad, very bad...
Silly Boy, Nico;
Dec 14th, 2010 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,IRBC,,ARG,,47ce6d7ca,0.html
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,IRBC,,ARG,,47ce6d7ca,0.html
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Oh and no, he doesn't. He confines himself to abusing Argies :-)
Talking about abuse, let's see what's new today in UK ..
Dec 14th, 2010 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/14/student-protests-video-protester-wheelchair
Very interesting, Marcos. And how is this relevant to anything at all?
Dec 14th, 2010 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0(146) Monty69
Dec 14th, 2010 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0OMG
You're a lass !!!
And me discussing important “manly” things in here with you!!!
Be a good girl, go to the kitchen,take Isolde with you and make us men some nice tea.
Please ;-)
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/53780
Dec 14th, 2010 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0And your point is, MoreCrap?
@Monty69
Dec 14th, 2010 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Oh and no, he doesn't. He confines himself to abusing Argies”
So do you mean he moved to Argentina?
Anyway nothing compared with violence in UKI
368 women die for domestic women in UK.
Police receives 1 call per minute related to domestic violence.
UK domestic violence in figures
“arrangements to support victims of crimes such as female genital mutilation, trafficking and 'honour-based’ violence”
Facts and figures
* nearly one in three women have experienced domestic violence
* nearly one in four women have experienced some form of sexual assault
* 39% of women saying fear of crime has impacts their quality of life
* 53% of all serious sexual assaults are committed by a partner or ex-partner
* nearly one in ten women say they have been stalked
* children who have witnessed domestic violence are 2 times more likely to have serious behavioural problems than other children
* a survey by Sugar Magazine and the NSPCC in 2005 found that one in five teenage girls who responded said they'd been hit by a boyfriend
* 40% of victims of serious sexual assault tell nobody
(Sources: the British Crime Survey 2007-08 and 2006-07, Sugar Magazine and the NSPC)
Its quite normal in British society don’t you think so?
You have only forbidden physical punishment only at school but not when exercise at home or by parents.
Like we do in Argentina the Article 278 of the Civil Code (1998) explicit forbid the Physical abuse, punishment or in any manner of a child a judge taken acknowledge of that takes immediate measures to protected the child.
We are still amateurs you cannot deny that.
Heres Argentinas crime stats for a balanced view
Dec 14th, 2010 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0ARGENTINE CRIME STATS: Top Stats All Stats
View this page with: Just Stats Sources Definitions Both
> % of managers surveyed ranking this as a major business constraint 1.56 % [20th of 38]
Assaults 185,973 [5th of 49]
Corruption > % of managers surveyed ranking this as a major business constraint 4.33 % [14th of 39]
Courts > % of managers surveyed lacking confidence in courts to uphold property rights 63.99 % [5th of 39]
Courts > % of managers surveyed ranking this as a major business constraint 2.79 % [3rd of 39]
Drug offences 15,508 per 100,000 people [15th of 46]
Illicit drugs
a transshipment country for cocaine headed for Europe; some money-laundering activity, especially in the Tri-Border Area; law enforcement corruption; a source for precursor chemicals; increasing domestic consumption of drugs in urban centers, especially cocaine base and synthetic drugs
Jails 166 [11th of 80]
Manslaughters 3,767 [3rd of 42]
Murders 3,453 [5th of 49]
Murders committed by youths 628 [13th of 73]
Murders committed by youths per capita 5.2 [29th of 57]
Prisoners 44,969 prisoners [15th of 168]
Prisoners > Female 9.5% [7th of 134]
Prisoners > Per capita 107 per 100,000 people [83rd of 164]
Prisoners > Pre-trial detainees 54% [30th of 143]
Prisoners > Share of prison capacity filled 119.9% [59th of 128]
Rapes 3,036 [8th of 50]
Robberies 469,899 [1st of 47]
Software piracy rate 74% [37th of 107]
Total crimes 1,340,529 [11th of 50
@149, Think, and how do you know what sex l am, senor? as l once told you, you presume too much. don't think you are a German. more likely a Croatian or an Anglo-Argentine. don't care really, just know that you still won't get the Falklands
Dec 14th, 2010 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway nothing compared with violence in UKI
Dec 14th, 2010 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0368 women die for domestic women in UK.
Police receives 1 call per minute related to domestic violence
Now this is what you call domestic violence,carried out on your own people by your own goverment
The Dirty War (Spanish: Guerra Sucia) was a period of state-sponsored violence in Argentina from the 1976 until 1983. Victims of the violence included several thousand left-wing activists, including trade unionists, students, journalists, Marxists and Peronists guerrillas[1] and sympathizers.[2] Some 10,000 of the disappeared were Montoneros, and guerrillas of the People's Revolutionary Army (ERP).[3][4] Estimates for the number of people who were killed or “disappeared” range from 9,000 to 30,000.[5][6] The National Commission on the Disappearance of Persons estimates that around 13,000 disappeared.[
149 Think 'important “manly” things'
Dec 14th, 2010 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0......like whisky and whorehouses you mean? You're a laugh a minute.
And why, why, would you have assumed that I was a man? Your prejudices are getting the better of you once again.
I know you're sending yourself up, but I do expect to be thoroughly patronised from now on.
Of course, I might actually be a man;-)
(153) Isolde
Dec 14th, 2010 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just an educated guess..............
After three marriages, I kind of know the pitch.
Your gender is quite clear.............no matter the sex...........
@sweetjudy21 & stick up your junta
Dec 14th, 2010 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mates doesn’t matter how many make up survey you show or how you resort to the junta 30 years ago.
UK society it far, far, far violent than any other in the world. And you violent past it is far worse than any other in human history.
How long have you been training personal defence and firing guns?
You thought its fun but useless?
Well give a try by going to UK you will use all that and even more of what you’ve been learning on these lessons.
Satisfaction guarantee or you will get your money back.
Visit Glasgow and don’t forget to bring with your AK47.
Glasgow the murder capital of western Europe. Wow that it is a tittle. Isn’t It?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3a-cIQj1o
Record on drug trafficking and consumption, domestic violence, racism, fraud, etc in UKI.
Everyone knows that US used to be one of the most violent societies in the western world well now UK its above them.
And that its not something new, this has growing for years http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3a-cIQj1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3a-cIQj1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3a-cIQj1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3a-cIQj1o
When Brits go anywhere in Europe they drink and start to look for fight like morons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3a-cIQj1o
10 minutes from Westminster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3a-cIQj1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3a-cIQj1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3a-cIQj1o
Wow UK its very violent an dangerous. Don’t you think so?
(155)Monty69
Dec 14th, 2010 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jupp..... Important “manly” things like whisky and whorehouses.
Throw in a couple of good brook trout waters and I'm in Heaven:-)
lies lies nothing but lies, [is this not what you lot say]
Dec 14th, 2010 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0still, now the scientest have found another planet that might suport life,
perhaps argentina could take her case to them, perhaps the vulcans will help your case, perhaps your mad, perhaps,,perhaps,,blaa blaa
149 Think
Dec 14th, 2010 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Throw in a couple of good brook trout waters and I'm in Heaven'
That's fishing for girls.
(160) Monty69
Dec 15th, 2010 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0For Girls?
Most girls I know don't know how to tie a knot..........(luckily)
Anyway, even if you where right, it would only prove that I'm “in contact with my feminine side”,............... whatever that means :-)
“After three marriages, ......”
Dec 15th, 2010 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't say I'm surprised by that given your penchant for drinking, whorehouses and being patronising and dismissive towards women think.
;-)
I have to concede that I fully support the drinking and whoring ..... :-)
Dec 15th, 2010 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MONTY 69. REDHOYT.
Dec 15th, 2010 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MONTY69: What you say is actualy in sinthony with the only thing that your side likes to do, wich is victimization, keep on crying all that you want, like it or not, as long as you continue rejecting to discuss with us, about finding a pacefull and negotiated solution for the conflict, we will have surely more serious problems in the future, so, dont complain if it happens.
If you would think before you type, you would realise that none of the resolutions from the u. n. argue that the solution to the conflict is the transference of sovereignty to argentina, they only call both parts to negotiated, and that's all, ¿do you know what a negotiation is?, it means that both parts will have to cede a 50% in their pretentions, it means that the islands wont never be only under argentine sovereignty, because you will propose surely to preserve your autonomy, but it's not imposible to find a solution that respects also our rights.
We are not excating to you to accept only our sovereignty, we are just asking you to respect the resolutions from the u. n., if conversations are renewed, we will have defenetly to cede in our pretentions, like us or not.
Redhoyt: You information is very oblique, it's true that utti possidettis was proclaimed in 1849, but it was many years before by diferent countries to preserve their borders, after they got the independence.
Beside there are more aspects that must be toke into account to argue our rights on the islands, you didn't have any right on th soledad island (east falkland), if you had any right on the island, it was only on the gran malvina, (west falkland), i already explained you why, you have no idea about what you are saying.
“you have no idea about what you are saying”
Dec 15th, 2010 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet you do Axel, before you have completed your “survey”. I'm starting to get the feeling that your “survey” is one which tries to fit the evidence to your predetermined outcome. Much like the Argentine government position...
unless it has a british stamp of exelence,
Dec 15th, 2010 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it may well be worthless.
(163) Hoyt
Dec 15th, 2010 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking about booze.........You got to respect and believe a man with such an impressive and well assorted library :-)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11999601
PS:
Please notice that Mr. Preston is mentioning Half a Billion £ as the cost of thefending the Malvinas……
Pretty close to the 700 million £ MoD estimate I mentioned some weeks ago….
Pretty far from the 80 million £ some Brits and settlers like to fantasize about……
Alright Axel, let me spell this out for you:
Dec 15th, 2010 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, you are the ones doing the victimisation. All I'm doing is feeling victimised, which is what you want, isn't it? Otherwise, why are you bothering?
Secondly, it is not in our power to discuss anything with you. Your government has said repeatedly that it will not discuss anything with FIG, onlywith UK. So who is doing the rejecting here? Not us.
Thirdly, your government has repeatedly said it is only interested in the transferrence of sovereignty to Argentina.
Finally, we don't 'have to' cede anything to you. You're annoying and horrible but if you think that's enough to give anything up for, you're very much mistaken.
I've no doubt you mean well and believe everything you're saying, but the sad truth is that you have no idea what you're saying.
Think, I know how to tie a tucked half blood knot and routinely use it ( and other things) to catch proper fish. Whether this proves that I am in fact a man, I leave it up to you to decide ;-)
briton needs a holiday
Dec 15th, 2010 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but not argentina, to cold,
(168) Monty69
Dec 15th, 2010 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wooooow……..
A chick that can tie a half blood and probably saddle a horse…………If you still have all your teeth…….. I would seriously consider an assessment visit to the Islands……
A pity you already jumped the broom with that guy:-)
MONTY69:
Dec 15th, 2010 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you AGAIN, to think before you type, our government, our constitution, bla bla bla, can say whatever, but the point is, if the conversations regarding the sovereignty of the islands are renewed, defenetly we will have to cede a 50% in our pretentions, of course that you are not going to discuss with me about that, dont be so moron, both governments will have to negotiate respecting it.
I ask you AGAIN, ¿do you know what a negotiation is?, when you know it, maybe you will realise that you are saying just crap, so, dont use the words of the government, or the articule from our constitution wich reffers the conflict for malvinas, to show your rejection to the negotiations, be more honest, and recognize once and for all that you wont never accept that the u.k. discuss with my country about the sovereignty of the islands, because you will always prefer to cut your balls before you see an argentine flag flaming on the islands.
Finally, i dont give a shit if people here believes or not what i say, firstly, i have always known that my country wont never recover the islands, the u.k. wont never respect the resolutions from the u. n., if i type here, it's because i care about this cause, and because i will always defend the rights of my country, if you accept it or reject it, that's your problem, it does not change my ideologys and my opinions, in the same way that whatever i say, wont never change yours.
BRITON: If you need holidays, and wish hot weather, visit our beaches that we have in buenos aires, we have 32 degrees today, we are on summer.
@164 axel arg (#)
Dec 15th, 2010 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Redhoyt: You information is very oblique, it's true that utti possidettis was proclaimed in 1849, but it was many years before by diferent countries to preserve their borders, after they got the independence.”
Axel, not a single South American country has the same borders as its colonial antecessor. Borders were determined by varoius wars after independence. It's an effing cheek for you to expect the UK to respect uti possidetis juris when you often didn't respect it yourselves.
#164 - Axel, it is no good relying on a supposed 'international' law when at the time of application, that legal principle was neither 'international' nor 'legal'. The Uit Possedetis Juris principle was conceived earlier, but was not agreed upon by the majority of South American countries until 1848. Therefore is was still not 'international' then. Britain did not sign up to the idea until after 1945 and so cannot be bound by it.
Dec 15th, 2010 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for which island is which, this is a new idea from Argentines arguing within these pages. It has no credence anywhere else. I should add to that, whilst the Spanish were on their island there is no evidence of any attempt to extend their influence, no attempt to interfere or tax British shipping using the islands, no display of sovereignty at all. The only evidence that they ventured out of their enclave is the removal of the British marks and signs. Nothing more - as though they felt constrained!
Think - you know as well as I do that the Guardian's Editor has no chance of pursuing his offbeat views. You also know that it would be political suicide for any British party to take such an approach. Mr. Preston does not represent to the mood or the attitude of the British people. The cost is acceptable!
As you know :-)
Thanks for that, Its bloody freezing here , lol
Dec 15th, 2010 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(173) Hoyt
Dec 15th, 2010 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are speaking against better judgment…..
Politics and economics change……. and they change fast…………
Want an example? Remember South America 10 years ago… Look at it now…
Another example? Remember Europe 10 years ago…………. Look at it now…
I absolutely don’t know if the Guardian's Ex-Editor has no chance of pursuing his views in the near future.
I absolutely don’t know if it would be political suicide for any British party to take such an approach in the near future.
I absolutely don’t know if Mr. Preston will not represent the mood and the attitude of the British people in the near future.
I absolutely don’t know if the cost will still be acceptable in the near future.
Neither do you…………………..
171 axel arg..... 'because you will always prefer to cut your balls before you see an argentine flag flaming on the islands.'
Dec 16th, 2010 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought we'd established that I don't have any :-)
Anyway, you're quite right. If your government ever asked us what we wanted, we'd tell them to get lost. You're only hope is to hold out for a different answer from the UK, and that doesn't seem very likely does it?
I know Think's holding out for the UK bankrupting itself, but that doesn't seem very likely either. And even it it did, what difference would that make?
So if we aren't ever going to change our minds and neither are you, perhaps we'd just better talk about something else.
star trek perhaps
Dec 16th, 2010 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong Think - I know!
Dec 16th, 2010 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0As far as I can tell, 10 years ago South America was a confusion of self interests, emotional politics and questionable economics. Has it changed?
As far as I can tell, 10 years ago Europe was a confusion of self interest, greedy politicians and questionable economics. Has it changed?
Your Guardianista is out of touch with reality.
Regardless of the questionable nature of his facts it has to be recognised that the current Coalition Government, facing its worst recession since 1945, and with a great need to trim budgets to bring matters under control, has not even considered any change to any of the BOT's - ie no cuts. If anything it is enhancing their status and talking about redirecting our overseas and aid spending in their direction.
The indications are that we are more interested than ever in out OT's.
Politics is a devious business Think ..... but the politicians we've got recognise the dangers. They are more in tune with the people's attitudes than either your Editor or yourself!
I believe that the near future is sorted ...
(176) Monty69
Dec 16th, 2010 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”I know Think's holding out for the UK bankrupting itself”
I say:
Well….. You must have me confused with another person…..I never even mention anything about “Britain’s bankruptcy”….Must be your subconscient wish to “Think” that we Argies are all your stereotyped idiots…
Please remember that we are NOT trying to change your mind any more……
You have made it abundantly clear where you want us to go….
Even if you routinely lie that little lie about ” If you would be real nice with us for 10 to 20 generations, then perhaps one day…..”
Forget it!............. There is nothing else to speak between us RG’s and you Kelpers……….
(178) Hoyt
That’s more like it!
At (173) you assert:
You know as well as I do……
You also know that…..
As you know…..
At (175) I respond:
I absolutely don’t know….
I absolutely don’t know….
I absolutely don’t know….
Neither do you….
At (178) you finish nearer the truth by saying:
”I believe that the near future is sorted ...”
That’s more like it!
Come on Think - you have a brain, use it!
Dec 16th, 2010 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Worse scenario - Britain cannot afford to maintain the defence of the Falklands! So, the troops have to be removed to save costs! The islands are self sufficient in aevery other respect, so -
1. Britain will suggest that the islander's become a part of Argentina? Unlikely!
2. Britain will suggest that the islander's form a union with another country, e.g. Chile? Unlikely!
3. Britain will suggest that the islander's pursue independence under the UN Charters and seek the protection of the Security Council? More likely!
4. Britain will maintain the status quo but without a defence force on the islands? Risky? But with Argentina's declaration that it will seek sovereignty through peaceful means, more likely!
After all, Britain remains on the top table at the UN.
The expense of maintaining a defence force on the Falkland islands may become prohibitive, but it does not follow that the only alternative is to hand sovereignty over to a foreign country. There are alternative options.
Maybe we can save money elsewhere instead, e.g. Belize which is not a BOT.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/8204320/Jungle-training-axed-as-Belize-base-shuts.html
What I know, I believe :-)
Good news about Belize!
Dec 16th, 2010 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good news about Cyprus!
Thanks for the link.... :-)
My pleasure - a couple more maybe :-)
Dec 16th, 2010 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-12-15/stable-peso-cutting-into-treasury-s-windfall-argentina-credit.html
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-12-15/stable-peso-cutting-into-treasury-s-windfall-argentina-credit.html
Not sure what the good news about Cyprus was, as the Yanks persuaded us to stay?
As a matter of fact, yet two more very good news:-) (especially considering the source!)
Dec 16th, 2010 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0And don’t forget those…..22,500 soldiers, about 23,000 dependents and around 4,700 civilian employees Die bald nach Hause zurückkähren müssen!……….
http://www.thelocal.de/national/20101019-30615.html
“ ... Britain will withdraw all of its 20,000 troops based in Germany, a legacy of the Cold War, within the next 10 years ...”
Dec 16th, 2010 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Over 10 years Think, hardly a hurried withdrawl. Still, if we struggle to find barracks for them, maybe accomodation in the Falkland Islands can be found? They'll still have to be paid, might as well put them somewhere useful :-)
Still not sure how you see Belize and Cyprus as good news. The good people of Belize like our troops to visit because of the hard currency and the security they offer against beligerent neighbours! Still, I suppose that they chose to throw off the colonial yoke and the consequences are a part of freedom.
Cyprus remains unhappy because the Americans want us to stay and the Cypriot government want us to go. But a deal's a deal and they'll be stuck with us until we're ready.
So, once again you are mistaken Think as it appears to be 'bad news' all around.
Not sure about your reference to the source of the business week articles. It was Bloomberg last week and now this. Do you suspect a conspiracy? You South Americans do enjoy a good conspiracy theory.
Happ days :-)
Simple:
Dec 16th, 2010 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brutish retiring from anywhere: Good News for Argentina. No discussion.
Brutish retiring from Germany: Good News for Argentina . No discussion.
Brutish retiring from Belize: Good News for Argentina . No discussion.
Brutish retiring from Cyprus: Good News for Argentina . No discussion.
Legislation to combat corruption in Argentina Good News for Argentina . No discussion.
Mild warnings from Bloomberg/Businessweek about not spending too much and about our stable currency…….
What a change from last year!
Good News for Argentina . No discussion.
........ :-) Think ... there's ALWAYS discussion :-) lol
Dec 16th, 2010 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look who's talking!
Dec 16th, 2010 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr.Redhoytred; AKA the: “Nothing to discuss, Get used to it” guy :-)
lol Think, on these pages there will always be discussion - be it inane, unproductive or simply abusive.
Dec 16th, 2010 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take it that you are not prepared to say why you think that Britain withdrawing from Germany is good for Argentina ?
I take it that you are not prepared to say why you think that Britain withdrawing from Belize is good for Argentina ?
I take it that you are not prepared to say why you think that Britain withdrawing from Cyprus (which we're not) is good for Argentina ?
Well, it is nice to know that Britain's actions are good for Argentina. we aim to please (albeit mostly ourselves).
The Falkland Islands are British .... get used to it! :-)
@Monty69
Dec 16th, 2010 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I thought we'd established that I don't have any :-)”
Hey I’m confused now are you really a woman????
Haha
She said so didn't she, how much more explicit does Monty69 have to be for you BA queers?
Dec 16th, 2010 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0britain is always looking for training grounds, and the falklands are perfect for training, thats good news for argentina as it will keep them on there toes , lol
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