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Argentina: Uncertainty ahead of 2011 squid season

Monday, January 10th 2011 - 06:23 UTC
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The limited presence of squid (Illex argentinus) at mile 201, outside the exclusive economic zone (EEZ) is of concern to the local squid jigger fleet, which fear that something similar might happen this year in national waters. Read full article

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  • Redhoyt

    ” ... around 17 Chinese and 15 Korean ships that have fishing licenses from the Falkland Islands, were “catching very little, but more importantly, destroying stocks of the resource,....”

    Now who are they complaining about? The Chinese? The Koreans? Or ...... ??

    Wouldn't be Argentine overfishing of course :-)

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC
    Nobody knows for certain how much each side fishes or overfishes….

    Nearly impossible for both sides to effectively control what the foreign fleets “really” catch.

    The only thing we know for certain is that the stocks in the South Atlantic are fast becoming non commercial for those fleets.

    And, as we know that:

    Fishing amounts for 0.4% of the Argentine GDP (Malvinas “area of influence”: +- 0,1%)
    And
    Fishing amounts for 60% of the Malvinas GDP

    It is easy to see who is being hit hardest.

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Think - it appears this guy is now blaming others (the islanders once again). Is this a national obsession to balme others Argentina's internal or economic problems?

    This is after all you have said about purposefully over fish to ruin the FI economy. Argentina, such a responsible and peaceful nation?

    If the Islands fishing industry does decline then all the more impetus for more hydrocarbon exploration so the Islands can diversify their economy.

    Either way, blaming the Islands for damaging the squid stocks shows how much of an imbecile this guy is, when Argentina lifted quotas!

    When will Argentina grow a pair and start to behave like adults?

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Fishing amounts for 60% of the Malvinas GDP

    In the 2009/10 financial year, the government revenue was £42.4 million of which £14.5 million came from fishery licences and services

    14.5 million is a lot of money,BUT a drop in the ocean when we spend how much think? on defence of the Islands :-)

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    I am just a commentator in here and my information comes mainly from open sources available to anybody willing to use some time, to find and understand them.

    The “Fisheries Issue” mentioned above is just one of the many, currently in motion, to get the British out of here.

    My conclusion is that our government is clearly aiming at reducing the fish stocks of the Malvinas area to an extent that renders them unattractive for foreign ships but safeguards most of its economic value for our fishing fleet.

    But…..This reduction in stocks is also, by a high percentage, the responsibility of the Islanders.
    During many years they have over licensed the resources… and they know it.
    That’s why they have hired some Russian scientists to put the blame on the climate or Argentina and cover their own tracks.
    If they write the “Fantasy” rapports they are asked and paid for, no problem then.
    If they should leak some negative information…..Well…… Who would believe a Russian anyway?

    Argentina has during the last many years been forced to tolerate the British licensing of our fisheries to third parties.
    That long “status quo” ended the same day t he UK started prospecting Oil in our waters on February 2010.

    Keep underestimating us……..
    Check mate in twelve moves………
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKUr699k9CY
    Get used to it

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Think - I think you will find that it is the FIG that issues licences and not he UK. But in your countries opinion the Islanders are sub-human and have no democratic rights in thier home; how socialist?

    If you want a youtube link then take a look at this one of an Argentine veteran returning to the Islands accompanied by another Argentine who has done a lot of research on the Islands. Intereting that his opinion has changed after actually meeting and living with the islanders. He used to hate the Islander but through his work has adopted a much more pragmatic and human perspective.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYvrzNw6izo

    How lovely it would be if more of your screeming and hollering brainwashed citizens would decide to enlighten themselves and enter the real world and not remain in some Malvine fantasy.

    Falkland Islands - A self governing British territory.
    Get used to it.

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    As I have said many times before:

    The FIG(leaf) is, in Argentina’s opinion a Non-entity.
    A marionette administration created to circumvent UN and International anti colonialist pressure and to hide the true British geopolitical intentions in the South Atlantic.

    As I have said many times before:

    The Islanders are considered by my government (and by myself) to be “spotlessly” human.
    Please cut and paste any comment you can find by any Kirchner government official (or by me) that implies anything different………

    As I have said many times before:

    Nevertheless, as the squatters they are, they do have very little right over the territories they are squatting on.
    But…….. no right whatsoever to let the former colonial power that installed them here on the first place, to exploit our resources

    Ps:
    Esteban Cichelo Hübner; the researcher on the video, was a little kid during the Malvinas War and has been through a quite normal evolution between the “thinkers” of that generation:
    Patriotism, nationalism, fanaticism, devotion, pragmatism, reflection, internationalism.
    But he still thinks that the Malvinas should be, at least, half Argentinean.
    You could certainly learn something from him.
    He teaches Spanish in Oxford.

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Unfortuantly I tend to venture to Cambridge more often than Oxford think. Actually think you will find that the Isanders have every right! Otherwise your excuse for a leadership would have challenged that at the ICJ. I guess the Kosovo situation has given them the test case to further reinforce a peoples rights to self-determination (and your country refuses to recognize Kosovo's independence from the genocidal nation that tried to wipe them out).

    What UN pressure? Since when does the UN say that the Islands are Argentine. You will find that any agreement has to be in the best interests of the islanders and in the real world adults are able to define for themselves what is in their best interests (it is called consent).

    If you don't believe the islanders have the right of self-determination then male a legal challenge to it at the ICJ!

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    “Argentina: Uncertainty ahead of 2011 squid season” This whole article is so stupid. It sounds as if Argentina or some other country should or could have control over the decisions that squids make in their heads hahaha worry is useless, because they'll do what they want.

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Yes Xbox they will do what they want. Pity you and your countrymen can't leave the islanders alone to do what they want in their home.

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Wooooow………. This News is all over …………………………....................…..Canada :-)
    (MercoPress still on prolongued news Black Out)

    http://www.canada.com/Falklands+warship+turned+away+Brazil/4087171/story.html

    http://www.canada.com/Falklands+warship+turned+away+Brazil/4087171/story.html

    http://www.canada.com/Falklands+warship+turned+away+Brazil/4087171/story.html

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    So Chile it is. Until Brazil change their minds. Everything is cyclical.

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Jepp.....
    Chile it is......
    LAN Chile it is......
    Twice a month in the foreseeable future.....

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    We will see. But weekly from Brize Norton with the flight via Miami for the oil exploration personel.

    The drilling continues and we wait for the spudding of the next RKH well.

    Declining permission for a military ship with the ability to sail for any other port is one thing, for a civilian vessel is another. We will see.......

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    ............said the blind man to his deaf and dumb daughter as he picked up his hammer and saw.

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    http://www.canada.com/news/Falklands+warship+turned+away+Brazil/4087171/story.html

    Handsome bunch the Argie Vets,think the Canadian's were being a bit
    mischievous with the Library pics :-)

    God I dont know what they did to the enemy but they scare me, Piere filip flop Montreal Dental Association

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    I wouldn't get too overexcited think. Such action doesn't really have any major implications. Looks like a symbolic guesture after the election of a new leader with another leader due to face an election in 2011.

    Hasn't changed any fundamentals. Last time you got excited RKH released a positive flow test result.

    BTW - I enjoyed some nice Argentinean blue berries today. Hope the farmer got a good price from Tesco for them. Might have some more tomorrow. Every little helps!

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    Argentina strikes again :)

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Argentina strikes again :)

    But you nice chaps from Chile lets us dock

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Argentina strikes again? Is that the best you have got Xbox? Pardon while I change my underpants!

    Oh I get it Argentina on strike again. Got to get them
    unions in line! Bloody outdated Marxists!

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Chuckle chuckle

    Those English newspapers don’t even know where the Falklands are.
    (Or what their Royal Ships look like)

    The picture on the article shows the RFA “Largs Bay” anchored at Port au Prince, Haiti….not the HMS Clyde…

    Even a dumb old Argentinean can spot the difference :-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8251130/Royal-Navys-Falklands-ship-turned-away-by-Brazil.html

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    The perks of Marxism

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/8249000/Brazils-former-president-labelled-little-dictator-in-passport-row.html

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    “ .... Check mate in twelve moves ....”

    LOL - good one Think ... gave me my first laugh of the morning :-)))

    If you really think that ... then you are not Thinking!

    As for Brazil - it was to be expected. Haven't turned away the commercial stuff, just a military vessel which is an empty gesture. But then Brazil has proved to be good at giving Argentina empty gestures. Will the new President do more? Time will tell.

    And I see that the new airport on St Helena is progressing - MOU signed, agreements reached :-)

    The game is not over Think - 12 moves lol

    Jan 10th, 2011 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 22 Oh my God! That's a catastrophe! The world is falling apart!

    Jan 11th, 2011 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fido Dido

    The perks of Marxism= Tony Blair of Arabia and Obama Drama.

    Jan 11th, 2011 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    “HMS Nightclub: Pride of the Fleet may become a Chinese disco”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345063/After-glory-Falklands-HMS-Invincible-end-days-floating-NIGHTCLUB.html

    “This is Disgusting.Why not sell The Royal Yacht while you're at it!”
    - Peter Jones

    HAHAHA :-)))

    Jan 11th, 2011 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Another Argie myth sunk LOL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNJMkDuhzww

    Jan 11th, 2011 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think. We do have very good well monitored info on what is caught in our fishing zone, and very little of our income is dependent now onIlex Argentinus.

    Jan 11th, 2011 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Must be a slow news day today :-)

    “ ... A revived dispute with the United Kingdom over sovereignty of the Falkland Islands was largely viewed negatively by the international community, and foreign investors remain wary ...”

    http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/7519/argentinas-uncertain-future

    :-)

    Jan 11th, 2011 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    (29) A very good article. It seems that the Falklands are once again being used by an Argentine President to ameliorate unpopularity and dissatisfaction at home. Such tactics are despicable but this is a Country whose soldiers in 1982 regularly feigned surrender only to open fire on British Soldiers who had broken cover and advanced to take them prisoner. These people are without honour and should be treated accordingly.

    Jan 11th, 2011 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    This news did not reach MercoPress yet, a little slow that carrier pigeon.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346094/Brazil-sides-Argentina-Britain-Falklands-warship-turned-away-Rio.html

    Jan 11th, 2011 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think/Marcos - Not a surprise from Brazil just at the moment and under the circumstances of balancing the far left and not wanting to totally pissoff Lady K just before you go to visit her! Possibly a bit of bad timing by the UK Foreign Office - not the first time they would have got it .
    wrong!
    Your right tho Think- UK press is at times no better than Argentine in its hopeless inacurracies! Daily mail got the right ship in the pic - but amused at this “popping into Chile” instead! - have they opened a canal through? Not very good map reading I will admit!
    Back to fish - for several years we have been weaning ourselves OFF Dependence on Ilex Argentinus as neither we nor you can control what goes on outside our zones. We now rely more on fisheries based largely or in some cases the stocks are totally in our zone - nicely OUT of reach of your little fingers!
    Marcos - as for the Fishery itself - facts tell you - the Falklands Fishery is widely accepted internationally as a very well run,well managed and conserved zone.
    Shame the same cannot be said about the one just west of ours.

    Jan 11th, 2011 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Islander,“ the Falklands Fishery is widely accepted internationally as a very well run,well managed and conserved zone”

    I know...

    http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/BookDetail.aspx?Book=246718

    Jan 12th, 2011 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Marcos- I was meaning serious sensible honest people! But if you wish to believe what a little liar who has false qualifications and could not offer any evidence of his alleged personal threats etc etc - your choice.

    Jan 12th, 2011 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Islander1 serious , sensible and honest people....

    They got millions of dead penguins and severely dwindling populations of all sea mammals since they started their Fishing Licensing System but…..
    That’s not enough evidence……………. because the only brave man blowing the whistle, apparently lied about which University he graduated from………………

    They got the “Alan Addis” murder case where everybody on the Islands knows the names of the four murders whilst they brag at the pub about their heroic deed.
    Four against one!
    But they can’t be punished………………. because the dogs ate the Marine’s corpse.

    And then,………. they talk about phony Argentineans………………

    Brainwash anybody?

    Jan 12th, 2011 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    A very disappointing Turnip moment from you, Think.....

    ''Southern Sealion
    In January 2003, the Sea Mammal Research Unit from St Andrews University sent a two-man team to the Falkland Islands to conduct the second census of Southern sea lions (Otaria flavescens). The number of breeding sea lions has increased significantly, by over 25%, since the last first census, which took place in 1996.''
    ''Gentoo Penguin

    The Falklands are critical for the survival of this circumpolar species with an average of over 30% of the world population. Numbers fluctuate from year to year but over a 75-year period have remained relatively stable at 100,000 pairs. In 2000 Falklands Conservation recorded a total of 113,000 pairs at 101 different breeding sites around the Islands. In 2005 (last full Falklands count) numbers had been cut dramatically by a poisonous algal bloom in 2002/03, but by 2007 there are signs of a strong recovery in numbers.''
    http://www.falklandsconservation.com/

    .......or are you seriously saying you'd rather believe the man with the 10 dollar postal doctorate from the University of Hicksville Missouri? That's not all; he has a limp handshake, and one eye in the pot, the other up the chimney. And that makes him not to be trusted in my book. And he claimed the police planted porn under his bed. Doh.....didn't his mummy ever tell him that wasn't much of an excuse?

    Oh and I took part in the last penguin census and have been peripherally involved in this one, as far as helping find people to do it and look after them, so don't give me any of your conspiracy theorist crap.

    Jan 12th, 2011 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    They got millions of dead penguins and severely dwindling populations of all sea mammals since they started their Fishing Licensing System but…..
    That’s not enough evidence…………….

    Nothing to do with the Argies then

    The world's largest colony of Magellanic penguins is being put at risk by Argentina's decision to step up anchovy fishing drives

    Argentina decided to approve increased levels of anchovy fishing to provide an alternative to the over-fished hake, catching more than 30,000 tonnes of anchovy last year for the first time in three decades

    http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/news/environment/penguins-at-risk-from-anchovy-fishing-37167.htm

    Jan 12th, 2011 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think - Monty 69 has already shown up the turnip0moment you had there. Marine Addis - I think you will find here that actually people have always wanted it solved - for the sake of the grieving mother as well as justice. Unlike your legal system though in ours you need more than just rumour and heresay to go to Court. Maybe one day justice will be done. One of those 4 died several years ago anyway.
    Dont tell me there are NO unsolved possible murders etc in Argentina!!! Every country has them - and rapists - just that in a little one with a tiny population it all hits the headlines.
    Good news day here today - UK is to replace the damaged HMS Endurance after all with a naval Icebreaker -HMS Protector, good historical name here and one word that might mean a bit to her ladyship in B.A. Now this ship is not really a military requirement - its a strong political statement- UK is in this part of the world to stay- and Protect those who require protection.

    Jan 12th, 2011 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (36) By the contrary, a very uplifting moment for me, ….my dear Monty69

    Always nice to see nature recuperating from human stupidity………………..

    Possibly,………. probably……… or even, most than likely………., the FIG(leaf) acted in response of Dr. Bingham’s whistle blowing and followed his recommendations about banning coast-near fishing.

    But, of course, a limp handshake on a man is completely unacceptable and absolutely unforgivable :-)

    Jan 12th, 2011 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    The argies just love anchovy, just leave some for the penguins
    http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/magellanic-penguins534.html#cr

    Argentina the eco-warrior nation
    http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/magellanic-penguins534.html#cr

    missionary work in argentina
    http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/magellanic-penguins534.html#cr

    Jan 12th, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    “But, of course, a limp handshake on a man is completely unacceptable and absolutely unforgivable”

    For once you are correct Think, a limp handsahke is reprehensible.

    As for “Dr” Binghams whistle-blowing......he was wrong Think, it's that simple, I guess the inability to admit when one makes a mistake is one of the things that makes him fit in so well in Argentina.

    Jan 14th, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Argie

    It seems that our squid have discovered the benefits of using durex sheaths... ;-)

    Jan 14th, 2011 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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