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Second de-mining phase for Falklands
A SECOND phase of de-mining is planned on the Falkland Islands from November this year. Read full article
A SECOND phase of de-mining is planned on the Falkland Islands from November this year. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGood to see these mines being detected and made harmless. The Falkland Islands are a beautiful paradise and should be kept that way for future generations.
Jan 13th, 2011 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope Argentina does the decent thing and offer to help clear these up, although i doubt this will happen.
Jan 13th, 2011 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They did offer to help Mr Red Dragon, in October 1998 and then confirmed in the 1999 Agreement but we all know what the Argies are like at sticking to their promises...
Jan 13th, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina could send some scrap metal merchants to pick them up once they have been made safe? ....... On second thoughts that may not be the best strategy.
Jan 13th, 2011 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why should the Argentineans care about the mines, they don’t even care about human life, they will have no interest at all, all the mines recovered should be airlifted over Argentina and dropped back where they belong,
Jan 13th, 2011 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but once again it is the civilised that has to deal with the problems, while the uncivilised just sits back and complains,, thank god for great Britain and these brave people that give there lives to save others .
5 briton
Jan 14th, 2011 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0all the mines recovered should be airlifted over to the Pirates, Probably we could be much better in the world......
But they're yours Kiwi'sarse ... and we like to return what belongs to other people :-) Provided is does belong to other people of course !
Jan 14th, 2011 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwi said pirate! “Yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me”
Jan 14th, 2011 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“And ye RKH have supped ye next exploration well me harteys. Dem Iberian colonials canee do anything about it arrghh!”
Mining was necessary to restraint eventual British landed troops from coming from too many sides at the same time. Demining is, I'm afraid, not Argentina's baby. Anyway, I believe that our country cannot offer assistance without recognising, in somed way or other, English sovereingnty over the arcipelago which, as you know, is claimed by us together with the South Shetlands, Georgias, Orkneys and all surfacing rocks in between where one petrel could land if only for a minute. On the other hand, exchanging expletives or insult here is useless and stupid.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argie, your mines, your responsibility.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and by the way your country already promised assistance in October 1998 and then confirmed this promise in the 1999 Agreement between your country and the UK. Unfortunately you did not keep your promise, but don't worry - we are used to that.
JAR, and we are used to British Warship Diplomacy, go figure!
Jan 14th, 2011 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... which, as you know, is claimed by us together with the South Shetlands, Georgias, Orkneys and all surfacing rocks in between where one petrel could land if only for a minute ...”
Jan 14th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And all without sense or reason.................. or hope :-)
You can not ask a dishonorable nation of people to do something honorable.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“JAR, and we are used to British Warship Diplomacy”
Jan 14th, 2011 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When did we last engage in that sort of thing against Argentina Argie? Are you perhaps talking about the invasions of 1806 and 1807?
No, JAR, I'm talking about MoD's world policy. Fortunately, warship diplomacy is coming to an end, together with military budgets. And fredbdc, I'll report you. You cannot say in public what you've said here about our country. Having dishonourable governments does not qualify our people and, at any rate, you appear to be not much better.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't answer my question re “British Warship Diplomacy” Argie. I'll ask it again:
Jan 14th, 2011 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When did we last engage in that sort of thing against Argentina?
The proper use of mines with appropriate maps was a perfectly legitimate tactic in 1982. The British also deployed mines but having properly mapped and marked their fields it was not difficult to clear these.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What was not legitimate was scattering mines at random from aircraft and helicopters and not mapping them properly. What was also illegitimate was booby trapping civilian property, heinously including the likes of children's bikes at Goose Green.
I think Argie is referring to gunboat diplomacy, which ended with the Yangtse incident in 1949. Sadly it seems Argie is adopting the Think tactic of referring to the past as if it has any relevance to the current day.
Anyway, I echo the sentiments in #1, I do hope some of the historically important sites are cleared for future generations.
JAR, 1806 and 1807 invasions were a real nuisance to our people, but these were not attacks on us but rather a further strike to humble Spain. In those days Argentina was still under Spanish rule (Charles IV) and the English were fighting the Spaniards, by capturing or sinking their gold-laden galleons, to dry-up their funds.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, as far as I am concerned, 1982 was the last and only opportunity we engaged severely against each other in a foolish war that, as writer Jorge Luis Borges put it, was the fight of two bald men for a comb.
Unfortunately, many lives were lost, together with the mutual respect we had so far had for each other. The toll we suffered was however worst than that the British had, and I'm sorry to accept that things between us will never be again the same..
Argie - there could be a very beautiful diplomatic relationship between Argentina and the UK. The UK government have always said they see Argentina as a partner on a number of important global issues. Our door is always open.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortuantly your president is intent of fostering a radical Anglophobia as she seeks political legitimacy. Is it your leadership that is intent on preventing our relationship developing regardless of the benefits it could bring to the average Argentine. Your governments approach to the Falkland Islanders is also creating resentment within that community which damages the potential for future friendship or collaboration on issues of mutual concern.
The problem is at your end on this one and it is on your hands for a change of political discourse. It is time for a pragmatic approach from Argentina and not a regressive and obstructive one.
My friends in the disputed islands can talk for me, so I am not going to say here what I like or what I would do. Furthermore, I used to live in England where I studied, sat for examinations (passed, btw), worked at a London reinsurance brokers and had a permanent pass to LLoyds. I attended scores of cricket and football matches, canvassed for a political party, addressed members in dinners (and masses in Green Park) , and drove my Mini all around the country. A couple of magazines published my poems. After some time I came back, but went again in a few other instances, so I know you people and how you click.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 01982 was a pivot year for both the British and the Argentine governments to stay in power. We jumped the fence and smashed the crystal vase that held our brilliant 100-year acquaintance. I don't think there'll be any change of our political discourse soon, and perhaps never again, because winds are blowing from portside (the left) and Little Red Riding Hood Cristina is sowing bad seed to stay after she's gone....
Bye for now
I would love to know who I would be “reported” to? To the US State Dept by the Embassy of Argentina? I am sure they already know your country and kin are dishonorable, didn't they say that in wikileaks already? Oh no it wasn't dishonorable it was that CFK was unstable.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0flying dutch BEEF ...
Jan 14th, 2011 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't betray on your father side please !
we know your island obsession comes from mother side !
21 fred oh come off it, you brute
Jan 14th, 2011 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you thought that was brutal you should try living in Parke IndoAmerica where a gang of neighbors (vigilantes) attacked immigrants like they were the villagers going after Frankenstein's Castle. Yikes talk about brutal!
Jan 14th, 2011 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yul - I prefer Emirates to KLM!
Jan 14th, 2011 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My mothers side (God rest her soul) is spelt Ireland not island.
Perhaps Argentina would benifit more in the world if it was broken up into smaler countries, it is far to big, and im sure there are peoples in argentina that would like to be independent and run there own affaires, as i am sure that some argentinians are more interested in there own problems, than the falklands, that is only being used by the goverment to distract from other problems, these people should rise up and demand there freedom,
Jan 14th, 2011 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then perhaps,, just perhaps we will find some sensible people to talk to ??
i was on a battlefield tour last week, up Mt Longdon, we met some RG veterans also on a tour...it was quite amazing, the RG's were friendly, proudly showed us where and what they were doing in that battle and even shook all our hands. They said they'd seen the mine fields and werent proud, but these were conscripts at the time, who were treated like dirt by thier officer class. They had nothing againt the Brits or the Islands, as they didnt in the '82 war. People like this in the RG government would heal hundreds of years of tensions, but as the veterans and ourselves know, Peronist criminals will do what they can to keep power and forget the ordinary decent folk, including the Islanders.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a Peronist ...!
Jan 15th, 2011 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0BEEF ...
Jan 15th, 2011 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0eeee....daily ~ 2.300 thousand barrels oil production not bad !?
but i like your style !
by the way .. your Jaguar's 2010 sales down to 26.395 (2009-28.547).
BRITON !
your comment is true...but you can easily replace to any other
country name (all)instead of Argentina ...whenever you want !
unfortunately,--distraction- has been the main tool to manage
a country by quasi-administrative teams (ordinary brains) !
yul - Germany
@ Argie #18
Jan 15th, 2011 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still no clues about when the UK last used ”British Warship Diplomacy” against Argentina...
And please don't sink so low as to suggest that 1982 was “British Warship Diplomacy”. You were the ones who mounted a full-scale armed invasion against 40 Royal Marines. You were the ones who illegally laid mines (and I use laid in the loosest sense of the word). You are the ones who have the blood of all those killed on your hands. If you had not invaded there would never have been a war. The only “gunboat diplomacy” in our around the Falklands in the last 100 years has been Argentine gunboat diplomacy.
Yul - while a flow of over 2000 barrels is a commercial flow rate the flow was limited by a misfire of the lower guns. Once things have moved forward the flow rate will be about double of that on the initial flow test.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0What has the sale of Jags got to do with this! Anyway if sales are down then that means I am in an exclusive club. Unlike those BMW owners as everyone has a BM these days!
I suppose the Marxists on these forums was us all driving around in an identical Trabant!
Still hoping to see a more progressive and pragmatic policy from Argentina. It is however looking a long way off but as/if oil production gets closer there may be a change in approach but as CFK is a few sandwiches short of a picnic then the only thing predictable is her unpredictability.
@28 i bet it eats you up inside because its true ya Peronist day dreaming dullard
Jan 15th, 2011 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0BEEF... i think that in your family there has an academist or
Jan 15th, 2011 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0university director ?
Trabants are not in circulation these days.
K.Marx ? how many years he had lived in England ? very interesting
why Britain has no any Marxist ..!!??
Actually Yul, I was the first in my family to go to University. By rejecting the self imposed poverty common in the working classes until the 1980s my family embraced the neo-liberal shift and as such became socially mobile.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK has a long history of embracing freedom of expression and Marx was free to live and write in the UK despite being opposed to the political and ideological forces that was predominant in the UK.
Marxist theory was to broad for any successful implementation but is an interesting lens to study society (albeit outdated in the post-modern age).
I had a very interesting ride in a lime green Trabant in 1995. There are plenty for sale on e-bay although one day I may pick one up in Germany and drive it back to the UK. A bit of Ostalgie never hurt anyone!
BEEF......
Jan 15th, 2011 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0what is your opinion if i decided to purchase
--- Russia Central Bank Bond -- ? can they be found in the market !
28 Think
Jan 15th, 2011 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The sad ending will be when you further interfere with our air link, and no veterans, bereaved families or Argentines of any kind will be able to visit their islands.
(37) Monty69
Jan 15th, 2011 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I have said before:
The optimal scenario for Argentina is to negotiate with LAN the frequency reduction of their MPA flight to one every 14 days, with stop over in Rio Gallegos.
The ticket price for British passengers should, of course, be increased.
It is, at the moment, absurdly cheap in a virtual “slave” market of rich customers.
Chilean and Argentinean citizens would get a preferential rate……
Nothing sad about that………………..
Quite realistic, as a matter of fact…………….
Argentina can negotiate whatever they like.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And FIG can give them the finger if they feel like it. If you decide the '99 agreement is finished, then accept the consequences.
This is a game of chicken, and my prediction is that Argentina will flinch first.
“The ticket price for British passengers should, of course, be increased.”
Jan 15th, 2011 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why? passengers are passengers think.
“It is, at the moment, absurdly cheap in a virtual “slave” market of rich customers.”
Er....that just doesn't make any sense.
“Chilean and Argentinean citizens would get a preferential rate……”
again...why? why is descrimination a desirable thing think? what criteria will you use in your descrimination next? religion? race?....
It's about time FIG became realistic. Argentines should be banned from setting foot, or any other parts of their anatomies, on the Islands for ANY reason.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And as I have said before, Argentine war dead should be exhumed and returned to Argentina. If it won't take them, toss them overboard in Argentine territorial waters. Their presence on the Islands is an affront to the Falkland Islanders, to Britain and to proper soldiers.
It is very common in Argentina to have tired pricing for travel and sometimes even in restaurants!
Jan 15th, 2011 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians pay in pesos US/UK/EU citizens pay in u$. So if your hotel is u$500/night an Argentinian is paying ARG 500/night or U$125/night they also have the same discounts in air travel.
Total scam just like everything they do. DISHONORABLE PEOPLE CAN NOT BE EXPECTED TO DO THE HONORABLE THING.
If the LAN flight is reduced then the FIG should stop it completely ... no more veterans, no more relatives. The graves just return to being a feature of the landscape - shouldn't take long!
Jan 15th, 2011 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islanders can make do until the new airport on St. Helena is up and running .... a new vista! A new direction!
Argentina can make no difference!!!
They don't have to stop the flight just don't give Argentinians visas. FIG needs to start playing all the cards they are dealt.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islas Malvinas ?
Jan 15th, 2011 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 00 % arable land ,
0 % permanent crops ,
89.99999 % sod .
Nothing wrong with sod arquero, peat is a good ol' traditional fuel in the Falklands.....just out of curiosity what, in your opinion, is the remaining 10.00001 percent?
Jan 15th, 2011 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's weird, arquero posted irrelevant/senseless/random stats w/ providing a reason or a comparison for debate, isn't that usually gdr?
Jan 15th, 2011 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nico, are your 7+ personalities bleeding into each other? Should we start calling you Tara? Come out come out whoever you are...
TWIMC
Jan 15th, 2011 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well……… ........
The “consequences” mentioned or implied from post 39 and down are, more or less, what could be expected.
Previously evaluated and “priced in” on the LAN deal, of course ………….
A game of chicken, indeed……..
the only resolution would be islands' evacuation !
Jan 15th, 2011 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18: I could not agree more. Regaining mutual respect and being able to offer each other a hand of friendship is an important first step for all sides
Jan 15th, 2011 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I sincerely hope one day a happy resolution for all is found and that the British, Argentines and Falklanders will live together in peace, goodwill and friendship.
As can be seen from the posts above the Argentine posters are showing their true colours. Think has shown himself to be racist in calling for British citizens to be charged more for a scheduled service on an IATA registered airline and arquero has shown himself to be the kind of person that supports ethnic cleansing.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is why the Falkland Islanders want little to do with such ultra nationalists.
Think - I previously respected you and was happy to read your posts with interest but such blatant prejudice has shown your true colours!
BTW the only way your government could alter the price for Argentine citizens is by paying the fare themselves or finding a way of subsidizing the taxes and fees for air travel (as used by Air Malta to allow their citizens to travel home to vote in an election). Or you could ask LAN to give up their IATA status?
I thought you were better than that!
Beef #####
Jan 15th, 2011 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no..no I don't support some cases like ethnic-cleansing !
but I support some cases like recent Tunis happenings ..why not
could be happen in a Commonwealth Country ?!
So I pressing you are talking about evacuating people from areas of potential danger? All those people evacuated from Tunisa (Brits, Germans, French {lots of French}) are on package holidays, which is a requirement of holiday operators.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bit lost when you have mentioned The Commonwealth?
(51) Beef
Jan 15th, 2011 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If your previous cyclothymical posts are your way of showing respect……….Well……...; I could manage without such form of respect.
Anyhow
I am not posting here to be respected or to make friends but to remark, mention and comment the ignorance, double standards, haughtiness and ethnocentrism that are the ”true colors” of most of the Anglo posters in here.
And to finish; just a pair examples of “price segmentation” or “dual pricing” in Europe…
--- Pharmaceutical companies charge customers living in Europe much higher prices than for identical drugs in poorer nations, as is the case with the sale of anti-retroviral drugs and antibiotics in Africa.
---An iTunes song costs 79 pence (1.49 USD) for Britons but only 99 cents for Americans. (+-50% more for the same song)
Well….. You can call Apple or the medicinal multinationals for racists if you wish, matey…….. But you still have to pay their price.
Differentiated priced air tickets are not uncommon in South American, Asian or African IATA airlines.
And this IS South America.
Get used to it
market of rich customers
Jan 15th, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And why would they want to be poor in Thinks Argentina?stay British and Rich :-)
Think, a few flaws in your wishes:
Jan 15th, 2011 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 01- why would Lan want to negotiate with anybody a reduction from one profitable flight a week to only one a fortnight?
2- Lan is member of IATA and One World ,neither of which would allow the racial price fixing you want on international flights . membership of One World dare I saw matters more to Lan internationally than the wishes of crazy lady.
3- Even if you desires in price fixing did happen dont forget who controls Mount Pleasant International Airport, and who sets the Departure Tax? FIG does - so could be £1000 departure tax for Argentines and £1000 credit for Brithish passengers. Hell we could even impose a Landing Tax on Argentines as well while we are at it!
Reality says things will stay as they are- yes crazy k has the power to withdraw the overflight permit and week - and one day she might as her final last fling.
What would it achieve?
1- Inconvenience and annoyance to Islanders who would adapt to using the direct European flights more instead.
2- Considerable hardship to several hundreds of Chilean families who have family and friends living and working here.
3- Loss of business to yet more Chilean small firms who supply the Islands
4- Loss of business income to LanChile.
5- Loss of ALL Argentines of their ability to direct visit the islands - in particular next of kin to visit the graves of their fallen and for veterans to visit to ease their mental troubles and achieve“closure”.
6- Almost certain that FIG would reimpose (lifted in 1999 Agreement) ban on any Argentine Passport Holder landing in the islands by any means. So only those ever getting ashore here on a cruiseship even would be those who have a dual nationality.
Seem to be 5 out of 6 negatives for Argentina and her neighbours somehow?
You would not even be able to revert to the old system of occasional Red Cross flights to bring next of kin etc here - guess who banned Charter flights in 2003!!!
Price difference depending on Nationality when purchasing in the same service in the same region is racism Think. That is what you are arguing for.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't you afford the same ticket as everyone else. I work hard to provide for my family and not to subsidise your backpacking trips.
(56) gdr
Jan 15th, 2011 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Impressive, but hardly surprising………………
After many decades of economic hardships, Argentineans have learned a few good lessons.
The most important is to live by your means and not indebt yourself.
PS: It would be nice if you could link to the source of your statistics :-)
(57) Islander1
We take our measures; you take your countermeasures.
As Monty69 said before; this is a game of chicken………….
(58) Beef
If you want to call it racism, go ahead, be my guest…….
The turnips in here will love you for doing so….
But it doesn’t make it any more true….
The most important is to live by your means and not indebt yourself
Jan 16th, 2011 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like Argentina’s President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner has to pull her jet up to the “cash only” pump!
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/01/14/has-argentina%E2%80%99s-president-maxed-out-her-credit-cards/
Morning all - Falkland Islands still British? Yes? Ah, the start of another sunny Sunday :-)
Jan 16th, 2011 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0This isn't a game of chicken! That game was won. This is more like chess .... strategies and power ............. and stalemate!
The most important is to live by your means and not indebt yourself
Jan 16th, 2011 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)))))))
https://www6.miami.edu/hemispheric-policy/Porzecanski-ShouldArgentina_Welcomed.pdf
Part of the problem may be rooted in Argentina’s default on its foreign obligations, its ongoing effort to prevent state funds from falling into the hands of disgruntled creditors, and its noncompliance with court judgments and arbitral awards. As a result, the government has had to minimize its bank accounts abroad, make payments in cash (e.g., to its own diplomats abroad), move money in roundabout ways through the international financial system, and leave as small a paper trail as possible.
Moreover, many stories of official corruption and maladministration, or of suspected illicit or improper activities on the part of government officials, have come to light in recent years in Argentina – something else for potential investors to consider, particularly since neither the government nor the judiciary has been keen to investigate (never mind prosecute) them. To recall just two of the most prominent episodes, the late President Néstor Kirchner used to boast that when he was the governor of the province of Santa Cruz in the 1990s, he had “safeguarded” hundreds of millions of dollars of provincial funds by moving them into Swiss banks ahead of the peso’s devaluation in 2002. However, there has never been a full disclosure of how much was shifted overseas, how much has been repatriated to Santa Cruz, or what has happened to the earnings on those deposits abroad. Earlier this year, a former vice governor of that province denounced Mr. Kirchner for having stolen some of those funds, but various petitions for an investigation of the matter have come to nothing.31
or it could be everything is based on bribes?
Jan 16th, 2011 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0In sum, should Argentina be welcomed back by the international capital markets? All things considered, the answer is negative. Despite the allure of high yields, investors and financial intermediaries are well advised to approach Argentine fixed-income and equity investment and trading opportunities with extreme caution, because they embody substantial market and default risks. Notwithstanding an impressive economic recovery, the country’s ability to service its financial obligations remains quite limited, and the government’s attitude toward official and private creditors, as well as toward court judgments and arbitral awards, remains one of contempt. The country is ranked uniformly low in various measures of the business climate, competitiveness, transparency, corruption and economic liberty. Therefore, Argentina – including its sovereign, sub-sovereign and most corporate issuers – is classified correctly as a very risky, single-B credit by the leading rating agencies
Jan 16th, 2011 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0gdr, Nico aquero, kiwi, whatever personality you are using at the moment.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could it be that credit is not available to most Argentinians? Very few mortgages, no long term loans, sky high credit card rates. I imagine if the USA, EU UK paid upwards of 35% for credit cards rates we would have lower debt, if we were only able to mortgage 1/2 the value of our homes or not at all we would have lower debt/income ratio.
For example right now at Banco Frances ARG if you want a loan for a used car 3-7 years old for 36 months you're paying 53.37%, we pay maybe 6% and not more than 8% based on your credit score. Also you current mortgage interest is 18% for a max of 15 years and for max 60% of the value of the property. We pay 4.75% over 30 years for 97.5% of the property.
Do you see the difference? Our economy is more stable and we can take a lot longer to pay. That is why our income to debt is high.
There are reasons Argentinians have very low personal debt and not all of the reasons are good it is mostly due to the economic failures you continue to have and the inherent corruption in the transactions.
deadbeat like Argentina. :-)
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://nw08.american.edu/~aporzeca/Porzecanski%20Testimony%20April%2023%202010.pdf
Testimony of Prof. Arturo C. Porzecanski, Ph.D.
Distinguished Economist-in-Residence
American University, Washington, DC
What I find personally objectionable is that, under present rules, there is nothing to stop a rogue sovereign debtor like Argentina, which has made a mockery of New York laws and our courts, from attempting to raise new funds in this country before it has met its outstanding financial obligations – especially the many judgments against it. Imagine if someone accused, tried and convicted of committing fraud managed to escape from the courthouse just after sentencing and board a flight to a foreign country. It is inconceivable that if that convict were to come back to the United States he would be allowed to roam freely, possibly to commit another fraud – instead of being arrested on the spot at the airport. And yet, our capital market doors remain open to a deadbeat like Argentina.
Deadbeat Argentina, has a ring to it don't you think?
Jan 16th, 2011 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's nothing to stop LAN flying direct from Punta Arenas to MPA and giving Gallegos a miss altogether...
Jan 16th, 2011 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think- how come when faced with a question you rarely answer? Please - Why would Lan even want to discuss reducing its profitable flight routes?
Jan 16th, 2011 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh- unless of course its to be blackmail again “a la HamburgSud ” etc?
Even then though a responsible airline -remember they are not an Arg airline - would want to consider its position as a member of a key International aviation carrier alliance before it looked at accepting blackmail.
I think with your aviation in the state it is - you need an airline like Lan in Argentina - more than Lan needs to be in Argentina. They are bigger than Argentina.
@56
Jan 16th, 2011 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes GDR, it's called.....wait for it......CREDIT.
Something Argentinians inevitably know little about.
i agree with Brits friends here .. Argentina is very strange country ..
Jan 16th, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 01833-2011 = 178 years ?
Argentina gives the touristic visas to Brits for 178 years..
what for ? seclusion living with penguins !...very funny..
for all i know normally visa times are 3---6 months !
(69) Islander1
Jan 16th, 2011 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I already answered that question in a previous posting; a post you even commented on.
Something about offering LAN a couple of extra slots on prime time at Ezeiza airport with extremely favorable conditions…..
A product several times more valuable for LAN than a weekly frequency to some forgotten islands inhabited by 2.500 “scroogy McSquattes’s”.
Remember now?
(70)
No WestisBest, unless you are a banker, it's called.....wait for it......DEBT.
Something Argentineans know a lot about.
The biiiiig difference being here that GDR statistic shows personal debt, not national debt.
This thread is going from bad to worse ... not that it matters I suppose. Islands still British? Yes ! Right and proper :-)
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good old England !!
Tara, Do you think you use cash because it is worth more now than the following month? With 30 % inflation, a depreciating currency and 30% interest rate on credit cards imported goods become quite expensive when you purchase them on credit.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe someday you will be lucky enough to travel here, and see what it is like to live in a nice place. They just disbanded the “virtual” fence so you may have a short opportunity to cross the Mexican desert now without getting caught.
hey Fred ####
Jan 16th, 2011 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.perfil.com/contenidos/2011/01/16/noticia_0002.html
Tara, Doesn't Ted Turner own something like 1/3 of Patagonia? Donald Rumsfeld has a farm there too. I have said many times Argentina is a beautiful country but it is ruined because it is full of corrupt filthy Argentinians. They make great housekeepers, farm hands and pool cleaners though I am sure they are working on both of their properties. Great beasts of burden for the US EU UK landholders/corporations as it should be.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fred ###
Jan 16th, 2011 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Donald Rumsfeld ----> Monsanto ? smooth connections !
Tara ! who ? your dream friend -----> Twitter or Facebook .
Think- you were right I had missed that one- apologies. yes so it would be good old blackmail of course. Thing is though the likes of Lan always need to look at the broader picture as well - not just the relatively small Argentine one- even though ours is a lot smaller again!
Jan 16th, 2011 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its used by a lot more than Island residents as well - at a guess we come about 3rd after tourists, and Chilean folk.
(79) Islander
Jan 16th, 2011 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You Islanders surely are developing a “siege” mentality.
When we Argies don’t want to dance to your tune;…. it’s “War.”
When South American public opinion turns against you;…. it’s “Racism.”
When Intl. Business takes a better offer from us Argies;….. it’s “Blackmail.”
About the LAN flight, you say:
“It’s used by a lot more than Island residents as well - at a guess we come about 3rd after tourists, and Chilean folk.”
I say:
Your guess would be correct…….. If you invert it!…… Ask LAN
Anyhow… We are primarily targeting tourism.
Not so many tussock grass nerds around willing to stay 14 days on the islands, I suppose………
Secondary targets are: Air freight, postal parcels, personal transport etc. etc. etc.
Anything to show you that the “status quo” is no more……….
Get used to it
Search United States of Tara, I figured I would start calling you that since you have so many different personalities, Nico, kiwi, arquero ed gdr..blah blah blah like a care loser
Jan 16th, 2011 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW this makes no sense as usual “Donald Rumsfeld ----> Monsanto ? smooth connections !” care to translate?
Targeting hey Think. That sound like war like discourse to me. All the reason to ramp up the drilling to see if a HC industry will be the future. This is one industry in the Islands that you will be unable to affect. Praise the Lord for FPSO and a market hungry for crude!
Jan 16th, 2011 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(82) Beef
Jan 16th, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't try to pull a “Sarah Palin” on me, lad....... it's childish....
And you Brits may ramp the drilling as much as you wish......
It will just accelerate the ongoing regional procces one way or the other....
Not so many tussock grass nerds around willing to stay 14 days on the islands, I suppose………
Jan 16th, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, but thanks to the Argies a valuable battlefield niche. :-)
But the islands have decided that they must not be too dependent on fishing. For tourism, the 1982 war has created a valuable battlefield niche. Highlights include the camp settlement of Fitzroy; the memorials of Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram which were hit by Argentine missiles nearby; Mount Kent, which became British HQ when it was taken from the Argentinians; and Mount Longdon, scene of the costliest battle for British troops during the night before Argentina surrendered, on 14 June.
http://www.holts.co.uk/2010/28_falklands.html
What will the region do? There is nothing that can be done apart from taking your useless argument to the ICJ. I am not ramping anything, time will tell one way or the other.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the oil is there then a big boy will farm in, FPSO and the oil will make it's way to China, Europe, Asia or a South American country that wants to purchase it! Oil is a sellers market.
The only way of stopping it would be to intercept the tankers with military vessels and that isn't going to happen.
If you feel you can cut the Islanders out of a deal then expect the FIG to cut you out of any eventual HC industry that may emerge. Remember think when it is gone it is gone and unless your government start to treat the Islanders with respect then you will not see a drop of oil revenue from the Islands flowing your way. The FI will be left with huge cash reserves to invest across the world. The income from those investment will set the Islands up for life with no need for fishing etc to bring in income!
85 ## ...just beefish fairy tale not serious comment !
Jan 16th, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, you are indeed attempting to lay seige to us - trouble is not a very good success rate in anyone laying siege to British peoples, tends not to work and the beseiger ends up the looser.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please show me where genuine S American puiblic opinion has turned against us - unless its in a few places where your side has brainwashed them- historical fact that if you tell someone the same bullshit daily then after a while they also believe it! Show me the decision of serious public opinion outside your country where they have had BOTH sides of the story explained?
Its sad that those who live in nations where corruption is daily political life end up loosing sight of the clear difference between choice and blackmail. Yes you give some companies a “choice” - based on a threat - that is what we in the generally corruption free world call BLACKMAIL
Lan pax - sorry, I know my figures on this. Plenty of tourists come for diggerent periods - 5 days 12 days 14 days etc - there is more to the Islands than just Lan! Many of them actually dont use Lan.
Airfreight and Post comes more than just one method as well. Bugger all you can do there really. Every trick you try we can counter pretty quickly.
Status Quo? - you are out of date - that ended in 1982 with a very clear result and has been maintained since. What it means is that your side lost any chance it had(and I agree it had them prior to 1982) of getting your mitts on these Islands against our wishes.
As to how Arg views that Status Quo varies - the Radical(?) regime favoured a bit of neighbourliness whilst agreeing to disagree about the insolvable - current regime just wants to be disagreeable- your choice - we live with either.
I think Cristinias stolen cash the other day sums up Argentinean credit problems! you could always exchange oil and gas for russian weapons, as your new best friends in Venezuela are doing....only if China didnt own nearly all your hydrocarbon industry eh?
Jan 16th, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0arquero - please indicate what part of my post was a fairy tale.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If a HC industry emerges from the exploration (which still has years to run) then what can Argentina do about it? You will find the answer is nothing. The technology to process any hydrocarbons out at sea already exists (being used as routine in offshore regions actually) and as frontier exploration and production become more common place such technology will improve and reduce in cost.
Such an industry will not require Argentina and there will be plenty of buyers; USA, EU, China. I don't think upsetting Argentina by purchasing Falkland Island oil is going to be something they will really worry about.
The only fairy tale here is the one spun and implanted in the brains of the Argentine populace. The only difference is there will be no “happy ever after” for Argentina when it comes to the Islands.
“You Islanders surely are developing a “siege” mentality.”
Jan 17th, 2011 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wouldn't be the first time would it think? and if that's the case are we unjustified? sometimes it's tempting just to give you (and all your south american neighbours who don't have the guts to tell you to fuck off) the finger....what then eh think? we'll still be here and you'll have no cards left to play, shame shame.
“You Islanders surely are developing a “siege” mentality.”
Jan 17th, 2011 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats due to the fact that Argentina , being the gutless waste of space, is putting the Islands under economical siege, too cowardly to do anything else except run around crying to every other country like some spoiled child with a toy removed
You Islanders surely are developing a “siege” mentality
Jan 17th, 2011 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jees you Argies do think a lot of yourselves,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/siege_malta_01.shtml
now thats a siege Think, not the Pussy cowardly argie nastiness
A seige mentality, eh, snr think.And why wouldn't we, when we have a belligerent bully for a neighbour.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 01) you won't get any of OUR oil.
2) you won't upset us too much with your dirty tricks.
3) you won't get OUR lslands.
4) feel free to:- 1) rant
2) rave
3) scream
4) shout
5) whine
6) threaten(you lot are particulary good at this one!!)
7) moan about how everyone has robbed Argentina of its wealth & rightful place in the world(violins, muted sobbing, etc etc).
8) and finally, wimper.
As my kids say,“Get real”Argentina. you've got NO moral, legal, legitimate or historical rights on OUR lslands, so get lost.
(93) Cher Isolde
Jan 17th, 2011 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well….More “siege mentality” vocabulary I reckon…
Your understanding of the dynamics of the current regional situation is, to put it mildly, quite flawed and outdated.
”Belligerent bully? Dirty tricks? Rant? Rave? Scream? Shout? Whine? Threaten? Moan ? Wimper?”
What? ………. where? ... when? … who?
The whole of South-America is just telling you Brits, in a civilized diplomatic and businesslike manner, that we disagree with your plans and ambitions on the South-Atlantic and that we don’t wish to assist the UK in achieving them.
No more, no less……………........................................
We know, of course, that you settlers will “somehow manage”.
That you will have to rely and improve on the Brize Norton air link.
That you will have to implement a direct shipping link with the UK for all your import and exports.
That you will have to find another source of cheap labor than Chile for your dwindling tourism and fishing industries.
That all this will alienate you even more from South America (as if that was possible)
That it will make you even more dependent from UK open and hidden subsidies, making the Islands less attractive for investors, stagnating your economy and reducing your already tiny community.
Well;………….That’s the general idea.
Disagree all you like ... nothing will change, nothing you can do!
Jan 17th, 2011 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think, Since when has the whole of South America been telling Britain they disagree with mythical british ambitions in the SW Atlantic?
Jan 17th, 2011 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0No I dont mean non effective and non non binding gestures. I mean clear black and white public statements.
Nobody in S America is doing anything against us by civilized, diplomatic or businesslike means that I am aware of- not even Argentina as yours are undiplomatic and based on blackmail and bribes!
Implement a direct seafreight link to the UK for import export - get into the 20th century at least please - we have had regular direct sea links to and from the UK for freight since the 1880s at least!!
Isolde,s list is correct- your Govt does them all wherever it gets a microphone.
(96) Islander1
Jan 17th, 2011 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who are you trying to fool?
I wroteat post No.94:
“implement a direct shipping link with the UK for ALL your import and exports.”
“”for ALL your import and exports.“”
“”“for ALL”“”
“”“”“ALL”“”“”
Then, you quote incorrectly what i write....
Edit away the key word : “ALL”
And try to insult me by asking me to “ get into the 20th century” ?
I “Think” most of the people on the Island know that not ALL your imports and exports go through that ship.....
What a Turnip........
I can't figure it Think .... WHY don't the islanders recognise that they're all starving to death as a result of your blockade? Doesn't make sense :-)
Jan 17th, 2011 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(98) Hoyt
Jan 17th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well............
Maybe because they aren't?
Maybe because there is no “blockade”?
As a matter of fact, obesity is quite a problem on those Islands.......
It's a bit of a problem around here too :-)
Jan 17th, 2011 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(96) Islander1
Jan 17th, 2011 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”Think, Since when has the whole of South America been telling Britain they disagree with mythical british ambitions in the SW Atlantic?………….. I mean clear black and white public statements.”
I say:
”Clear Black and White public statements?
Try this……Lula speaking at the Cancun Summit 2010…..
Black trousers,... White shirt :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR_ishXaA6s&feature=related
Hmm and then there are these inconvenient facts right from the Embassy of Brazil in London:
Jan 17th, 2011 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.brazil.org.uk/bilateral/index.html
The current trend is certainly positive, with Brazil having increased its total exports to the UK between January and August this year ($2.78bn) by 18% in relation to the same period in 2009. Exports of aircraft and sugar made a significant contribution to the overall increase. British exports to Brazil ($2.03bn), meanwhile, rose by an impressive 67%, with cars and steel tubes accounting for much of the increase.
Think - I am talking about direct statements made to UK and clear downturns in diplomatic relations levels, trade etc.- not utterings in various S American summits that have no teeth nor international bindings. You get me a resolution from the UN Security Council or the IJC - then you might have a point.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SeaFreight Imports/Exports - whats the relevance - no problem to us if they all go to and from the UK on one of the several vessels that operate that route. Containers travel worldwide so we can still export or import from S America via that route if we really wanted to and there was no shipping link direct.
Insults - no problem - your countries attitude to the world tends to be rooted in a colonial attitude type bygone era - certainly as far as the Islands are concerned.
(103) Islander1
Jan 17th, 2011 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”I am talking about direct statements made to UK and clear downturns in diplomatic relations levels”
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh………
You are talking about something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A03_p8c-Lk
Isolde on #93: Bydd ein diwrnod yn dod!
Jan 17th, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina A jealous nation,
Jan 17th, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she just cant be like the British, swarve -cleaver- sophisticated brilliant-
- admired-loved-respected-strong-taking on the bullies like real hero’s .
oh to be like the British, Argentina can never be, as she seems so distant- arrogant- jealous -bitchy-sniping like a child-crying when she cant get her own way, if only she listened to her own people and SHUT UP ??????
Think- we can agree to differ on this one - possibly a point in your favour but also rather silly timing by UK in even asking just a couple of weeks before the new President makes her first official overseas visit - and to Argentina- I see that it was pretty well the only answer she could give at the time, bearing in mind her leftwing elements in the ruling party as well.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We would have to watch how the Brazil-UK Defence co-operation agreement pans out in the longer time I think.
I would counter the Clydes operation with the very successfull one of HMS Gloucester to Valaparaiso for a week in late November
With our charisma and argentinian confusion, one day we may be great friends ?
Jan 17th, 2011 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(107) Islander1
Jan 17th, 2011 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well………………….
That goes to show how much out of touch you Brits are about the new political realities in South-America.
Your lack of perception about the last 30 years profound shift in the political interactions of our region is just………….. appalling.
For your kind info, President Lula’s speech in Cancun was infinitely more important for the Malvinas Issue than the refusal of docking permit to that Navy ship in Rio de Janeiro.
while reading ## Briton's ## comments,i remembered that ..
Jan 17th, 2011 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0once Brits made massacres at Australia !
Convincing Ground --- 1833--1834 -- Victoria....whale hunters..
and i thought that --1833--what a auspicious date for Brits !
nostalgia.....nostalgia....nostalgia....
Think, lost you there, never saw internationally much serious reporting about Cancun - just another largely S American summit gathering - where we expect each to support each other, where I agree you are winning is in the battle of the minds - Arg is selling bullshit thick and fast and repetitive, internationally - and as they hear it and nothing but it - some are starting to think bullshit must be true. UK of course cannot do much to counter it on our behalf - nasty old european power etc. Thats where we need to rearrange things and start speaking up ourselves a lot more internationally so folk out there can see two sides of the argument - then they can make a reasoned choice.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lets watch the next couple of years and see. meanwhile here we await the response of the President of the De-Col Committee to the invite to vist here and see for himslef who and what we are for a fair balance.
Myself - I,d also welcome a factfinding no-preconceived statements ,visit from the OAS . S America shouts and preaches Democracy - lets see S America show it.
Haven,t travelled to Brazil for years but I do to Chile and Uruguay and cannot say I have seen or sensed any difference in attitude among people and business colleagues in either.
Spent a few days in Buenos Aires a couple of years ago - even there once folk found out who I was and where from and what and how we ticked, the opinion was, “we dont need the place - you live there and have built it, and have rights - but how the hell do we get out of this mess” - not selected friends either - just ordinary taxidrivers and shop owners.
(111) Islander1
Jan 17th, 2011 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) OAS?; just forget it…….. It is nearly as dead as the Warzawa Pact. Unasur and Mercosur are the relevant ones for you since 2009.
2) I could easily have been one of those Argentinean folks you met a couple of years ago who’s opinion was: “We dont need the place - You live there, have built it, and deserve to live there - but how the hell do we get out of this mess”
3) That was until Britain got serious about the Oil Exploration in 2010. That changed the mood completely. First in Argentina and now, increasingly all over the Continent.
4) It was a stupid and haughty thing to do. Now you can get angry, insult, lecture me about your sacrosanct human right of getting rich etc. etc. etc……………. but it still was a stupid thing to do.
And #122 it was Argentina that could have had a major stake but chose not to...that was a stupid thing to do.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain didn't get serious, the FIG did and in explorations that were planned before Argentina threw its rattle out of its pram.
Stupid and haughty? Well a perfect description for Argentine Government policy. It complains about “unilateral action”, the decision to proceed with had tacit Argentine acceptance under the oil umbrella, but conveniently neglects to mention it unilaterally tore up the agreements on oil exploration.
Does the FIG get to put its case at UNASUR or Mercosur? Nope, it doesn't.
Would Argentina get to put its case to the ICJ? Yep but it won't because it would come up wanting.
So Argentina continues to make a huge fuss at venues that will support it out of “racial solidarity” whilst at the same time avoiding venues where it can be rumbled. And it doesn't allow the FIG a voice at those same venues.
Argentina wouldn't recognise human rights if it bit them on the arse.
The same old boys in the same old boys clubs, all meeting and eating and chewing the fat, but still being careful what they sign and still largely saying one thing but then not doing anything.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And no, I don't believe Argentina's shouting is achieving anything at all. Most of the world doesn't notice. ALL of the big players have similar situations which they'd prefer weren't highlighted. They will not interefere with the UK for exactly that reason.
The little players really make no difference. Look at Gibraltar, been in the UN's eye longer and larger and still no sign of anything ... if you don't count a slow move to independence.
You are not looking globally ..... where it's just too small an issue. And Argentina's ranting are just a part of the general fog!
Think is assumes more moaning from UNASUR will somehow change our minds. We've had spain moaning at us for many more years in the EU over Gibraltar and nothing has changed there.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing ever changes but the weather realy ??
Jan 18th, 2011 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think - ah now we are back to the cruch as you see it. But where and why this fantasy insistence that the Oil Exploration is led and controlled by UK and all to UK,s benefit.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why can you nopt accept reality - Licenses are issued by FIG
Block acreage rental is apid to FIG
Licensing and safety and Environmental regime are all to FIG Law - for expert proffessional advice we based it on the Europeans standadrs of the North sea etc - probably far higher than those offshore in the gulf of mexico.
If found and developed any royalties are payable to FIG
Where - other than helping with advice on the legal and safety issues - is this terrible UK involvement?
Mercosur the great “come-together group”? Arg and Paraguey not quite best of mates over a river you are attempting to divert away from them.
Arg and Brazil not exactly the best of open free trade across the borders both ways is it? God help the 4 of you if and when Venezuala joins in.
(117) Islander1
Jan 18th, 2011 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0You ask:
”But where and why this fantasy insistence that the Oil Exploration is led and controlled by UK and all to UK,s benefit?”
I say:
The FIG(leaf) is composed and represents full-fledged BRITISH citizens.
As “BRITISH people”, you settlers got full self-determination rights… In BRITAIN!
Do you get my point?
Check it up….. if you didn’t know it.
The FIG(leaf) is just another “marketing name” for GREAT BRITAIN.
What’s the difference between a Wauxhall and an Opel?
Do you get my point?
Check it up….. if you didn’t know it.
The FIG(leaf) Oil agreements grant about ~90% of the revenue of any oil found to the BRITISH oil companies; the remaining ~10% goes to the FIG(leaf).
In comparison:
About ~90% of the revenue of any oil found in the Norwegian North Sea goes to the Norse government; the remaining ~10% goes to the oil companies…….
Do you get my point?
Check it up….. if you didn’t know it.
I understand that there is full consensus in the FIG(leaf) to reimburse GREAT BRITAIN for their defense expenditures since 1982 and pay for BRITISH military presence in the future.
Do you get my point?
Check it up….. if you didn’t know it.
Just for once, try to look at Mercosur’s impressive economical indicators without your “Malvinas glasses” on.
You say you are a kind of business man…. It should not be so difficult.
And now Venezuela is joining in, a social oriented partner with “all the oil in the world”. What should GOD have against it?
Do you get my point?
Check them up…. if you don’t believe it.
@105 Argie, Hindot mo, tungah!
Jan 18th, 2011 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@118 Think, whats a Wauxhall, Cher Think?
are you piqued because you won't get any of OUR oil?
you could have been in on the deal, but who's country chucked a hissy-fit in 2007?
2nd prize is a bag of s***, Cher Think.
@112
Jan 18th, 2011 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0You give yourself the lie think,
”2) I could easily have been one of those Argentinean folks you met a couple of years ago who’s opinion was: “We dont need the place - You live there, have built it, and deserve to live there - but how the hell do we get out of this mess”
3) That was until Britain got serious about the Oil Exploration in 2010. That changed the mood completely. First in Argentina and now, increasingly all over the Continent.“
What about all your hundreds of posts on here citing historical precedents, territorial integrity, ancient treaties and so on that you purport supports Argentina's claim to the Falklands, that we are in fact just ”squatters” as you call us.
Now you say that we are perfectly entitled to be in the Falklands, it's just our oil exploration that has sparked of Argentinian emnity.
Which is it to be Think?
(120) WestisBest
Jan 18th, 2011 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you cared to read my posts, (starting 06/10) I have repeatedly stated, that before the oil exploration start in 2010, I was one of the many Argentineans convinced that after the “82 Idiocy”, the Malvinas issue was a closed case.
In 82, I was one of the few down here that warned anybody that wanted to hear, that the Brits would come down with all what they had and kick our military right on their teeth.
Nobody wanted to hear……….. that opinion cost me dearly at the time.
If you cared to read my posts you would also find out that historical precedents, territorial integrity or ancient treaties are NOT my favorite subject.
I only engage in such to debunk some evident lies, falsehoods or incongruences, especially from one specific poster in here called “Justin Kuntz” aka “Wee Curry Monster”
He is a real pain in the ar** at Wikipedia, as you could confirm by reading his insults to anybody that dares to disagree with his version of reality on the discussion section of any Falklands or Gibraltar article on Wikipedia..
He has beenpermanently banned from the Spanish Wikipedia and blocked/temporarily banned from the English Wikipedia several times.
And yes, I have always regarded you Islanders as squatters.
But until 2010, I accepted the Status Quo of your presence without mayor considerations.
Britain Oil Exploration in the South Atlantic was the spark that changed that.
For me.
For Argentina
For our whole Continent.
Isolde #119 Your oil? Your brackish water rather. There's no fleeting oil around you. Only multinationals sucking funds from siting ducks :-)
Jan 18th, 2011 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0”I understand that there is full consensus in the FIG(leaf) to reimburse GREAT BRITAIN for their defense expenditures since 1982“
Jan 18th, 2011 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Incorrect. The islands government said if the oil is there they will pay for future defence costs. Not since 1982.
”you settlers got full self-determination rights… In BRITAIN!”
They've got full self determination rights in there own homes, the ones they've been living in for 8 generations. Argentina can do one.
@122,Argie, and you wish you were one of the ducks?
Jan 18th, 2011 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ .. I was one of the many Argentineans convinced that after the “82 Idiocy”, the Malvinas issue was a closed case ..”
Jan 18th, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My God Think, you actually got it right .... and then changed your mind! Wow, way to go :-)
No chance, no hope, no way forward ... get on with it!!
(125) Hoyt
Jan 18th, 2011 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No way forward?
Lad............
You Brits opened the road for us in 2010.
And it is is fast becoming a 6 lanes Motorway with fast moving traffic.:-)
You are kidding yourself .... as normal.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No traffic, no chance, no hope ... nowhere to go :-)
Old 'Un
Think - where this obsession about British Oil Companies? IF(and we agree it is IF) there is commercial oil to be exploited FIG will most likley grant a licence to whoever joins in with the field operator - UK-US-whoever - even an Argentine one! Its down to Desire-RKH-etc whoever is the field licence holder to select their big partner for exploitation. Obviously there will be safety and other standards to be met - but these will apply to whatever nationality.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is clearly much you do not understand about what our level of financial and real independence is- colonialism is dead as far as we Islanders are concerned. Yes UK has certain responsibilities- due to practicalities of our size of poulation for a start - and one of those is to ensure we do things in an open and democratic way and dont end up like a Turks&Caicos. But UK does not interfere in our economics and taxation policies - they help us draft them yes as they have expertise we dont have- and under the UN, has a responsibility to see they are fair democratic ones - I imagine Arg would be at the top of the queue shouting foul at the UN i it were otherwise and we fiddled the books etc!
Please, respect your views on some issue - but on this one you are offline - FIG does and will control any hydrocarbon operations and possible future revenue. UK does not.
As for Royalties - my undertanding is that as this will be a costly area to exploit it is reasonable to allow the exploiting companyy to get its money back! The royalties due will be paid to FIG - who are financially 100% independent of UK- and have been for many years.
(128) Islander1
Jan 18th, 2011 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“IF (and we agree it is IF) there is commercial oil to be exploited FIG will most likley grant a license to whoever joins in with the field operator - UK-US-whoever - even an Argentine one”
I say:
Not so; Argentinean companies are expressly barred from any hydrocarbon activity by your own law.
Pick the phone and ask the FIG(leaf) if you don’t believe me…..
You say:
”There is clearly much you do not understand about what our level of financial and real independence is - Colonialism is dead as far as we Islanders are concerned.”
I say:
We know that you are not a “stereotyped” colony anymore.
You are more like one of one of those affluent Counties in England.
A bit inconveniently implanted 14.000 km, south of Surrey though,…. but with very, very cheap mortgages.
You say:
”FIG does and will control any hydrocarbon operations and possible future revenue. UK does not.”
I say:
Yes.. The 10% that is left after the exploiting companies get their 90% share!
And…. From that 10% you would finance the perpetual presence of a “robust” British military force in the South Atlantic.
Still …. Plenty of dole left to satisfy the wishes of ~2.500 “County”settlers.
Brits ! 10 % ! ......1 % impossible !
Jan 18th, 2011 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brits don't give even their own sins to anyone !
all present Malvinas invaders , settlers are military personals
and their families...anyway .
Think - Ok you maybe correct re an Arg oil operator coming here - cannot remember for sure - its hypthetical anyway - as your side would hardly encourage one as to get involved here you have to apply to guess who - the Govt that your side prefers to believe does not exist! Same reason as to why Aerolineas would never ever fly here even if we said yes -as it would have to apply to FIG Civil Aviation.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Part of a UK County - you confuse us with the French territory system! We have no MPs in London, pay no UK nor EU taxes, use a different currency that is actually outside sterling - for convenience we peg the FI £ to the GB £ - but we are outside the Sterling-area.
And we are currently 3000 and increasing - passed the 2500 mark years ago.
Yep with our share of it - if its there- we could indeed - and bugger all Arg could do about it.
Arquero- one can debate with Think - you are just an arse- since when are we all military or families of- many of us were here long before 1982! Bout time you found out a bit more about the Islands.
#131...here is open discussion forum ,for everyone who wants to join.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas Islands' total population ( except sheeps) is -4326- persons.
but this number changes sometimes,all are military+logistic people.
,,arquero ,
Jan 18th, 2011 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0again you guys get it wrong, but as the Falklands are not Argentinean I suppose it does not matter a squat
132 arquero: The number population census does not include military personnel or their familys.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arquero- fact- the truth- EXCLUDING military and associated relatives etc the last census showed a population of 3000. You want to live in fantasy - then OK do so.
Jan 19th, 2011 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0We all know that Argetina has millions of people, but at rate they are leaving the sinking ship, you may well get below 3,000 mmmmm
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