MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentine economy expanded 9.1% in 2010, announces Cristina Kirchner
President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner announced Friday that Argentina’s economy is 2010 expanded 9.1% and unemployment in the fourth quarter experienced a further drop and now stands at a record low of 7.3%. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesin Argentina school chidren must be very very careful when using computer, no deign to lies and no digress on this historical reality !
Feb 19th, 2011 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 01828 ....Argentine settlements,colony founded at Malvinas..
1831 ....US warship destroyed settlements..
1832 ....Argentina sends new Governor who is killed in mutiny
which organized by British Navy Secret Services..
1833 ....British Forces returned and grabbed the Malvinas Islands.
“mutiny which organized by British Navy Secret Services”
Feb 19th, 2011 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haha.
“mutiny which organized by British Navy Secret Services”
Feb 19th, 2011 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Using their time machine, given that there wasn't a specific division for naval intelligence in the British Admiralty before 1887...
#3
Feb 19th, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said British Navy Secret Service not Spesific Division for Naval Int.
British Navy Secret Service ' s enterprised date was 1736 !
you know one of them name is ...he was Charles Darwin......
may I suggest you go back to your PINK palace, with the others and be happy.
Feb 19th, 2011 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0im sure your glorious leader will welcome you.
after all the bad things the British have done you must be exhausted trying to stop them.
still, pinkie and perky are waiting for you .
It's notable how many people in this forum likes to argue all the time that, all of us are adoctrinated since we are children, to believe the soposed lies of our official history, regarding the sovereign dispute for the malvinas-falkand islands. Anyway i have a couple of questions for all of you.
Feb 19th, 2011 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 01- ¿Haven't you ever thought that maybe all of you are being adoctrinated too, to believe only your own history?.
2-¿Do you really think that only our side makes omitions respecting the history of the conflict of the islands?.
3-¿Dont you know that the history is always submitted to omitions, distortions, or diferent interpretations?.
4-¿Do you really think that only your sources and vertions are valid?.
Accepted or not, the history is always wrote by the side that wins, it will always be in every country, submitted to omitions, this is why it's very important to investigate, if you think that only your truth is valid, that will show how mediocre your thought is, it would be lamentable, because the u.k. is a true admirable nation, but like in all the rest of the world, there is also some idiot and houghty people.
Well no axel, before i first visited here several years ago, all i knew about the falklands was the war and recent events.
Feb 19th, 2011 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had wrongly assumed the islands was a relic of the colonial past , another land we had taken off another country.
I have read into the history, listened to everyones arguments and formed my own opinions.
Unfortunately, the main theme from Argentina is utter refusal to listen to any history other than what it makes up, i know you'll suggest ' well all you read is british propeganda'. If anything the one thing ive learned is Argentina bases its claim due to proximity as there is no other way to explain it, the same way argentina claims the other south atlantic islands are thiers...and now claiming all the way to the antarctic peninsula...which is international by by law.
I welcome a genuine argument, but nearly all the arguments coming out of the argie comments, is ' blah blah im not listening, british are all pirates and terrorist people in the middle east '......kinda removes any forum for sensible discussion.
Argie's just need to accept the people on the islands have thier own free wills to decide thier outcome, if argentina actually offered them somthing other than virtual economic blockades, they might have been willing to listen, even after the invasion of 82.
1- ¿Haven't you ever thought that maybe all of you are being adoctrinated too, to believe only your own history?[[.not so we are history???]]
Feb 19th, 2011 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 02-¿Do you really think that only our side makes omitions respecting the history of the conflict of the islands?.[[no ,but we only tell the truth]]
3-¿Dont you know that the history is always submitted to omitions, distortions, or diferent interpretations?.[[yes] but the falklands are still british,,
4-¿Do you really think that only your sources and vertions are valid?.
Accepted or not, the history is always wrote by the side that wins, it will always be in every country, submitted to omitions, this is why it's very important to investigate, if you think that only your truth is valid, that will show how mediocre your thought is, it would be lamentable, because the u.k. is a true admirable nation, but like in all the rest of the world, there is also some idiot and houghty people[[[. not true this was in the past partly true, but nowdays with all the modern information the truth is better explaind, thats why we know argentina is in the wrong, if you had won the war, we ould not be having this now,,]]
Historically the victors wrote the books my dear friend, are you seriously suggesting the falklands war history books were written solely by British? do you not think a global media plays rather a fkin HUGE part of history now? do you really think Mubarak in Egypt would have stepped down if the world wasnt staring at him?? history isnt written by the victors any more, its a global event...unless your suggesting aliens come down and wipe us out in a mass extinction then tell other aliens they were here first in 1833 and the humans were all pirates?
Feb 20th, 2011 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas argentinas ingleses Mohammeds y piratas siempre.
Feb 20th, 2011 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nico Dimwit as usual
Feb 20th, 2011 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Y Draig Goch
Feb 20th, 2011 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My Ingles not good senor me not anderstan what Ud. decir pude escribir en correcto español por favor?
Muchas thanks
Amigos you cant educate those on the periphery of England.These poor people without hope have been the ones who join the armed forces to fight the imperial wars.They have no choice but to be indoctrinated.This is true of the English and the North Americans.ever wonder why places like Louisiana,South Carolina ,Leeds,Most of Scotland and Wales are so poor compared to the centres of power.
Feb 20th, 2011 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is important for Argentina are these marvellous growth figures, Chinese level of growth.In a shorttime if Argentina can continue on this road and England continues to stagnate money will talk and Las Malvinas will return to their true owners.The ever closer relationship with Brasil and Chile must continue as well.As i have said in other forums the London bankers are very practical people and will quickly ”advise the planters to face the reality of liveing in South America.Perhaps the time has come for the Instituto Cervantes to have a center in Puerto Argentino.I am sure they will prove avid Borges students
oh ye gawds its the bog trotter argentinean wanna-be...zzzzz
Feb 20th, 2011 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excelent performance by the Argentine economy,in contrast with the bakrupt uk.
Feb 20th, 2011 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Follows the advice of Jim Rogers; Learn Chinese and leave uk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI&NR=1
bankrupt? i dont see any bail outs? or filing for bankruptcy? luckily enough we had the sense to avoid joining the euro , if we had then we'd have been in trouble. But trillions in debt? so what? thats what capitolism runs on when you're one of the worlds largest economies. Its all about structured responses to crisis, which we have done for many years now.
Feb 21st, 2011 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is that all Argentina has to taunt us with? Pirates in 1833 and now bankrupt in 2011? wooo im swooining from that onslaught.
15 Tte Estevez Learn Chinese and leave uk
Feb 21st, 2011 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0considering you are already crawling up the backside of china, there wont be any room for us, so we will remain British, and you losers can crawl up the backsides of who ever pays the highest,,, losers.
14/16 immediately moves into abuse mode when any serious analysis of the situation begins.As for being one of the Worlds largest economies its an ever rapidly diminishing part of that World economy while South Americas part in it is growing rapidly.Heads in the sand wont be the situation though in central London where the likes of you will be quickly ignored when realities bite
Feb 21st, 2011 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0you have never analysed any situation o'gara, all you do is make silly comments firstly about english, then when you realised the scots and welsh werent on your side, you turned on us too.
Feb 21st, 2011 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You sound like Gerry adams in the 70's, blaming the Uk for all the worlds woe's and the fact you take side with anyone who has any perceived grievence with the UK....even one as fake as t the Argie claims over the falkland islands, just proves how pointless it is to even try to discuss anything with you. You are so polarised its unreal, you could be Timermans propeganda editor, i bet you cheered with joy when they impounded that american C-17....i bet 20 camels you ranted about american 'imperialism' .
It is said that for an O Gara, to speak to his equal, he must look in the mirror and speak to him self, [why] because no one else can understand him .
Feb 21st, 2011 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0come come ogara he is not in an abuse mode, its just an opinion,
just like yours, relaxxxxxx
Well i decided he was pointless talking to when he went from antii british, then got all flustered when a scotsman and myself a welshman thought his anti english ideas were total bullshit, kinda caught him off guard, it was rather amusing.
Feb 21st, 2011 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0There has been a strong and continuing tradition of recruiting from Ireland including what is now the Republic of Ireland.[118][119][120][121] Over 200,000 Irish soldiers fought in the First World War.[122][123] More than 60,000 Irishmen from what was then the Irish Free State[124] (now the Republic of Ireland) and 38,000 from Northern Ireland served in the Second World War,[125] all volunteered.
Feb 21st, 2011 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just get anyoid when people keep slagging of the british,
if we are that bad, why is it they cry for us when they need help.
I was born in london, so proud to be british .
Its easy for the angry and misguided to take thier own personal problems out on the world, people like him have just used the ' aggrieved irishman' routine as his focus and looks to identify with anyone who shares similar 'values'. I think what we have in britain is good, as much as i love wales i'm proud to be british and i hope we stay as a collective, albeit with some more home grown powers over welsh people, but as a UK we do well together, despite all the piss taking we do with each other...but thats called humour.
Feb 21st, 2011 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Tte Estevez
Feb 21st, 2011 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love the part when the arrogant Brit in total denial wants to lecture Jim Roger on how to make money by short selling sterling.
Is amazing the arrogance and ignorance of these people that by the way is the source of information of the uneducated mass in Britain and overseas territories.
Indoctrination and manipulation by the media?
Haha
Uneducated masses? what on earth are you prattling on about? what a really dopey comment.... arrogance huh? how's invading the islands for arrogance? you kinda forgot that one? educated masses? Argentina badly miscalculated that invasion. How bout the arrogance of Argentina claiming all the south atlantic British islands and the antarctic peninsula? or did you know know that either?
Feb 21st, 2011 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Y Draig Goch
Feb 21st, 2011 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“How bout the arrogance of Argentina claiming all the south atlantic British islands and the antarctic peninsula? or did you know know that either”
Confession of party proofs not need.
Read your comment again and you will see that you are not able to write properly your own language.
“uneducated mass” = Indoctrination and manipulation by the media
Quiet simple.
Lol , you make me laugh Nico dim wit, confesion of party proofs not needed? what on earth is that gibberish?
Feb 21st, 2011 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0as for your rather weird media comment, your government openly gets in the way of media that doesnt offer positive news to the Kirchners, mainly through the lap dog of Moyano, blocking the Clarin group facilities to stop them circulating press. That my friend is breaking the law nationally and internationally...so dont give us crap on media indoctrination.
as for your rather weird media comment, your government openly gets in the way of media that doesnt offer positive news to the Kirchners, mainly through the lap dog of Moyano, blocking the Clarin group facilities
Feb 21st, 2011 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0still goch,we live better in average than the uk...for sure.I have been there this summer,So do not lecture me about that.
By the way,we claim the South atlantic island,so is Argentina does it it is wrong,but if the uk does it,is good?
Really?
That is a good one!
Really? where did the UK block good news about the Kirchners?
Feb 21st, 2011 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Secondly, you live better than us huh? so the news about the starving people in argentina new to you? your citizens beating each other to death in the Villa's in Beunos Aires? the crippling Strikes your CGT constantly starts on a whim? i think you have your head buried in the Timerman book of bullshit.
Well your claims have no basis other than your proximity, and as for south georgia and south sandwhich islands AND antarctic peninsula..how on earth can you claim them?? as for antarctic its in international law WHICH ARGENTINA signed up to, that no one can own the continent...your government is bonkers , and so are you my dear gringo.
@Y Draig Goch
Feb 21st, 2011 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0This means: If someone confesses or admits his crime there is not need of any further valid evidence to be prosecute.
The rest of what you say make my point stronger abut how easy you take for granted what the media says.
Moyano never blocked Clarin, were their own workers who made a pacific protest because they where fired by the Clarin group. And in Argentina is not illegal to do that. And Clarin broke the law by not respecting labour laws in Argentina.
“the news about the starving people in argentina new to you”
Again another example of how you take for granted what the media says without even thinking by yourself.
Here and example of how your press and other (like clarin) like to portrait other nations to make feel better stupid beer drinker at home
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/children-found-starving-in-rural-australia-2043566.html#
Australia is a prosperous country but your stupid press likes to make a big article of 2 Aborigine naked posing for the photo opportunity as Starving in rural Australia. When everyone who had read a book that this is a cultural thing.
So the same make Clarin, la Nacion, etc. if would be starving I will eat the guy with the camera before take a photo.
But when is time to talk about poverty, starvation, soldiers murdered in Iraq or Afghanistan your UK’s press like BBC don’t use the same yellow style. In UK now people dies as a result of extreme poverty, malnutrition, etc.
And the Idiots never realize that until this situation happens to them.
Go to the north of England or 10 minutes to SW in London and you will see the poverty like in the 3er world just there.
take for granted? you moron they are non stop shouting about it at the UN, they have got dozens of books compiled to convince the Un those islands and the antarctic peninsula is thiers, its not conjecture, its not media bullshit its a bloody fact ! holy crap talk about sticking your head in the sand.
Feb 21st, 2011 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have lived in the north of england you worm, it isnt like your dire country where you shove all your poor people...or in the slums that is beunos aires, people pay a lot of money to live in the uplnds of the Uk, shows how much you know, the scenery is stunning, the houses are very expensive and the beer is fantastic.
@Y Draig Goch
Feb 21st, 2011 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Luanda
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8094873.stm
Is the most expensive city in the world and the level of poverty there is 60%
This is Formosa the poorest province of Argentina (The 3er world according with the press). From where the photos of poverty according with Clarin come from.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8094873.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8094873.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8094873.stm
population 525.000 mots of them Aborigine in the middle of the jungle.
But at least our poor get more fun than your in poor Britannia haha
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8094873.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8094873.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8094873.stm
Oh! Looks like 3er world Falkland or some part of 3er world Great London or 3er world of Northern England.
Now let’s see Northern England and Rural Areas
“Most of the indicators in this report reveal significant levels of poverty and social exclusion in rural England.”
19% of the population in rural areas about 3.4million people live under the poverty line.
11 Million people in England lives in porvety
25% of children (1 million children) live below the poverty line with 2/3 of these children live in families where at lest one of the parents is working (working and still poor).
17% of pensioners (600.000) live under poverty line.
11% of working-age adults receives low-income household and half on housing benefits.
79% of Children in central Manchester are living under poverty line.
Low income means people poor living with income under the average (middle) just near the bottom of the scale then extreme or under poverty line level.
England - West Midlands 81% Low Income
England – London Bethnal Green & Bow 79% Low Income
Scotland Glasgow North East 73% Low income
Source UK govt.
I think you live in denial you have more poverty than Argentina mate UK 25% Argentina 13.2%
In denial like this guy that he thin
Lol , but where does your country come on GDP, corruption?
Feb 21st, 2011 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact Uk has more cities of a industrial background simply shows the development and history, the fact is your nation struggles to feed its own people and house them, no matter how many silly statistics you pull from Youtube ( haha idiot ) , the fact remains Argentina is practically a third world country.
Social exclusion and poverty in rural Britain? Again, this is where the posh tend to live and poverty? wtf ?? unless poverty is driving around in Range rovers?? or the hill farmers who dont get the european subsidies the arable farmers get in France?
Sorry to say it, your country is a dive my friend.
@Y Draig Goch
Feb 21st, 2011 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poverty UK org
http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/rural%202009.pdf
Almost one million households in rural England live in poverty, a study says 2008 (Now is even worst)
http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/rural%202009.pdf
“Another recent report cited high house prices, low wages and the outward migration of young people as concerns...Finding affordable housing is a problem for many”
http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/rural%202009.pdf
“The hidden inequality of the rural idyll
Rural poverty is the missing piece in the anti-poverty jigsaw, affecting the aspirations and life chances of over 900,000 children in the UK.”
http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/rural%202009.pdf
3er world, nah!
http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/rural%202009.pdf
Half of Manchester's children 'live in poverty'
http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/rural%202009.pdf
Poverty rife in inner city
http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/rural%202009.pdf
13,5 m poor in Britain graft 2009 now is worst (cut, cut, cut)
http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/rural%202009.pdf
Here something interesting about this study of London statistics and poverty.
According with this someone can rent with 30/39 pounds a week in London.
And salaries for low incomes range in between 70 to 151 a week.
Come on mate who can live with that in London?
The cost of the rent of a room will cost 90 pounds a week if lucky.
http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/rural%202009.pdf
30% under the line of poverty in London after housing cost.
Wow seem you are worst than these people living in Formosa.
Or would be that you are so accustomed to poverty that cannot distinguish any more?
UK is the 3er world the problem is that you cannot accept that.
Just see around. You are what we call Belindia, some parts seem Belgium and the rest poor India.
“And salaries for low incomes range in between 70 to 151 a week.”
Feb 21st, 2011 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In wonderland.
Minimum wage is atleast £260 a week.
“The cost of the rent of a room will cost 90 pounds”
I agree, and as a person who has lived and rented on minimum wage it is very easily doable. Not ideal but minimum wage isn't designed to be the life of luxury. I was always able to go out and see my friends on the weekends. After my rent and food i was left with about £140 a week.
33 Y Draig Goch:
Theres no point arguing with this guys, He's an idiot. It's really that simple.
His stats are correct. But nico doesn't understand much about what the statistics mean....relative poverty is something we class as our “poor” in the UK. My pairents for example would be classes as below the poverty line. She has internet, cable, flatscreen tv and goes to france two or three times a year to visit family. She's still poor.
Absolute poverty is what nico seems to believe the statistics show. absolute poverty is not being able to afford food, medical care, shelter and cothing.
We don't have much of this in the UK, it's well under 2%. “Poor” people in the UK generally get it not bad and i know many cases of people going off work to become “poor” because at certan times in life, it's better off for the.(they get a free flat, healthcare, ect).
Different nations have different levels of what they classify as poverty stricken. The most simple way of compairing which nations have a higher level of poor people is a simple one. Percentage population living on less than $1.25 per day.
The UK has less than two percent. Supprisingly Argentina only has between two and five percent.
1: “3er” doesn't mean anything, it's not a word. Secondly, it's insulting to your own country to use third world as a derogatory term because Argentina belonged to that group of nations.
9.1% growth is certainly encouraging, I hope that the strong economic growth continue.
Feb 21st, 2011 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“3er” is how you'd say 3rd in Spanish (I guess you probably got that one)
I was pretty surprised when I last visited England to walk through the 'poorer' areas and see massive flat screen T.Vs through the windows of the houses. I've known quite a lot of people to live pretty decently and not work/earn minimum wage.
Real poverty obviously does exist in England, but to call it a third world country is pretty humorous, although I suspect he knows that, and is just on the wind up.
Minimum wage in Britain is currently at 948 pounds per month (based on a 40 hour week) or AR$6,184
19 Get your facts right pit singer.I never ever considered what you call Scots or Welsh these places don't exist in the World list of nations.I always spoke of the ENGLISH INGLESES whatever because they rule all of the island.I speak of the poor on the periphery of the island or in the past in Ireland too where those with no hope would have to join the imperial army.My analysis of the future of the Malvinas reverting to Argentina because of the level of debt of England and its stagnation compared to the rapid growth in Argentina you have answered by namecalling an old tactic but ineffective.You have also never countered my point on Londons long history of handing hack territories when it suited the oligarchs not the cannonfodder in the peripheries.
Feb 21st, 2011 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“because they rule all of the island”
Feb 21st, 2011 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone, from any part of our island can become PM. I suppose the english ruled while we've had scottish PM's?
Your “analysis” is just your opinion and has no factual support to back it. The PM is constantly giving the islands his support. And debt will make NO difference. 100 million is a VERY small price to pay.
Aside from that it would be political suicide for any PM to even attempt to hand the islands over.
Your analysis is less than weak.
@Y Draig Goch
Feb 22nd, 2011 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow!
Argentina has 1.6 million enterprises active. While UK has 2.10 million enterprises registered. And falling http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1238
Buenos Aires
The bigger industrial park in Latam “Pilar”
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1238
Industrial park San Luis (San Luis province)
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1238
Industrial parks in Argentina
* Gualeguaychú (Entre Ríos)
* Alvear (Santa Fe)
* Sauce Viejo (Santa Fe)
* Venado Tuerto (Santa Fe)
* Bahía Blanca (Buenos Aires)
* Campana (Buenos Aires)
* Junín (Buenos Aires)
* Pilar (Buenos Aires)
* Plátanos (Buenos Aires)
* Quilmes (Buenos Aires)
* San Francisco (Córdoba)
* San Luis (San Luis)
* Villa Mercedes (San Luis)
* Bella Vista (Buenos Aires)
Almirante Brown (Buenos Aires)
And all what you see flat and with silver roof on google maps from sat pics are industries. Buenos Aires is full of them.
@Zethee
I know UK and Argentina so please don’t tell what is poor or not.
“She has internet, cable, flatscreen tv and goes to france two or three times a year to”
If she has an income of £260 she is poor. Going to France is like here going to Uruguay nothing that a poor cannot do.
Even the most poor in Argentina has TV having a Flat tvs screen is not a sign of richness in fact is what poor people buy more.
These people (I don’t where its) also has sat dishes http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1238
Well mate the data is from your own go, do you know more than them?
@Frase
Are you from Spain perhaps?
“you sometimes think you've landed in a third world country”
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1238
I'm not from Spain.......
Feb 22nd, 2011 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0......Didn't the pope's aid say that when you land in Britain it's like landing in a third world country? So, rather than a thorough inspection of Britain's poverty or infrastructure, it was a comment made about the amount of non-white faces seen when he lands in Britain's airports.........
To be frank, I'd rather have mass immigration than be complicit in covering up the raping of kids.......
Muy buenas las fotos del parque industrial Pilar.Gracias por ponerlas Nico.Yo no las conocia.Aunque en Tucuman,tambien hay una actividad industrial enorme.
Feb 22nd, 2011 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Un abrazo
@Tte Estevez
Feb 22nd, 2011 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.parqueindustrialtuc.com.ar/
http://www.parqueindustrialtuc.com.ar/
http://www.parqueindustrialtuc.com.ar/
http://www.parqueindustrialtuc.com.ar/
http://www.parqueindustrialtuc.com.ar/
http://www.parqueindustrialtuc.com.ar/
Pay attention to this please:
The famous Victoria Palace Theatre in London AKA Vicky Wow!!!!!!!
http://www.parqueindustrialtuc.com.ar/
Tell me if does not seems part of Tucumán? hahahahahaha
http://www.parqueindustrialtuc.com.ar/
And this Mónaco? Hahahaha
http://www.parqueindustrialtuc.com.ar/
Casino de Mónaco
http://www.parqueindustrialtuc.com.ar/
hahahahahah
L’ France en Tucumán hahaha
http://www.parqueindustrialtuc.com.ar/
http://www.parqueindustrialtuc.com.ar/
: )
“so please don’t tell what is poor or not.”
Feb 22nd, 2011 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then tell me nico, what is poor?
If a poor person can live, eat afford a place to live, nice items and to go on holiday several times a year.
Doesn't that then dilute the definition of the word poor? Does one have to also own three cars before not becoming poor? A jet? Three houses, a boat, six buildings and an island?
Im confused with your definition of the word.
My oppinion is that a poor person is someone who lacks the income to survive, pay for food, housing, medical care and clothing.
Also, you do not “know” the UK like you keep claiming to. You just tried to tell me that the average wage is £140 a week.
Feb 22nd, 2011 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly, you have not lived here.
38 The english elite dominate the island 100%.Those Scotish pms you are talking about where were they educated?Any elite will have its reps all over any country.100 million what are you talking about?
Feb 23rd, 2011 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0My analysis is on the slow but sure decline not only of England but all of ?western Europe whose welfare states have become unsustainable.They are already sinking in a sea of debt which is every year more unpayable.England or Britain if you insist on delusion has a national debt of 430% of its GDP, Argentina around 40%.Guess who is going to grow in the near and medium period.
@Zethee
Feb 23rd, 2011 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0A person with a salary of 1000 pounds a month especially in an expensive city like London is poor.
The average renting for a 1 room flat and if you are lucky may be you can find with 2 rooms is £450 per week.
£1800 per month how can someone live with £1000, eat, by clothing, etc. and go to France on vacation?
Lets assume someone is generous and you are so lucky and his rent a little flat for £250 a week. Oh! You have expended your all budget in your rent.
Ah I know living in a rented room in a house shared with other people Italian Pensione style in the worst part of the city is your solution.
Well that is what a poor person has to do.
“Im confused with your definition of the word. My oppinion is that a poor person is someone who lacks the income to survive, pay for food, housing, medical care and clothing.”
No, no, no, no this is extreme poverty or living under the line of poverty.
A homeless person is in that situation, someone living in shelters, etc.
“Also, you do not “know” the UK like you keep claiming to. You just tried to tell me that the average wage is £140 a week.”
Do you have an understanding problem or what?
This is what your govt. and poverty UK says and not me.
And the £70/£153 range is for UK’s low income for single adult not medium salary, what means living under the line of poverty.
Why instead to deny you don’t take the time and read what I posted?
http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/rural%202009.pdf
Is under the Item Low Income
“In 2007/08, the 60% low-income threshold was worth: £115 per week for single adult with no dependent children;“
Do you really think that someone can live with that even if he has accommodation for £34 pw?
“3.4 million people in rural districts live in low-income household, around a third of the total”
See the graph.
About your “Clearly, you have not lived here”
I have U$s 10.000 to bet against you (I don’t want to ruin your financial state) to prove with my NIN that I was living in UK. If you win
45 - I'd agree that Britain is pretty anglo-centric, but with 5/6 of the population of Britain being English, I guess that's to be expected. Scotland has it's own parliament and Wales has it's national assembly, so it's not like they have no power or means to create legislation. However, if they ever did decide that they want to cede from the union, I'd respect that.
Feb 23rd, 2011 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding the national debts, I just checked to verify this, and the source I found puts Britains debt $1.05 trillion, which is 47.2% of GDP, and it puts Argentina's at $293.56 or 51% of GDP.
http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/
So Britain does have more debt, but it is lower as a % of GDP. I don't think either country has anything to brag about regarding levels of debt.
@Frase
Feb 24th, 2011 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0A country has 2 types of debts:
1- National debt or internal debt denominated in local currency e.g Pounds.
Debt owed to local lenders what in the case of UK is $1.100 trillion what is more than the 50% of its GDP.
2- External debt denominated in foreign currencies like USD, EUR, Yens, etc. owed to foreigners lenders by the Govt. and privates. Every time your Govt. issues more debt in the international market “Gilts” your external debt grows even more.
The total debt of UK (National debt + External debt) is more than 11 trillions dollars.
This represents 5 times the size of UKs GDP
The external debt from 2 yeas ago was:
£6,290 bn = 10.189 bn dollars.
We are in 2011 now figured out in the real mess you are.
: )
I replied because he said national debt, but the external and total debt is concerning to say the least, particularly as it hasn't stopped rising yet, the chancellor of the exchequer doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.......
Feb 24th, 2011 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm English, but live in Argentina and am eligible for an Argentine passport, so want prosperity for both countries.....Both have their problems though
Rather than debate your stats, let's try this from another way.
Feb 24th, 2011 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok nico. All you've said is right. There are 3.4 million people in london who earn £1000, but spend £1800.
How do they live? Because they do.
The one single mistake in your massive “the poor in london cant afford to live” rants is the fact that they do live, continue living and will continue living untill they grow old.
But how do they do this if they do not have money to live? Or money for housing, clothing and food?
Answer your own question...How do they live? they're clearly not obeying the numbers you list here...Now either those 3.5 million people are defying the laws of physics, or you're wrong.
And the funny part of your entire rant is: You did not even read the report yourself.
Feb 24th, 2011 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In 2007/08, the 60% low-income threshold was worth: £115 per week for single adult with no
dependent children; £199 per week for a couple with no dependent children; £195 per week
for a single adult with two dependent children under 14; and £279 per week for a couple with
two dependent children under 14.”
“Do you really think that someone can live with that even if he has accommodation for £34 pw?”
Well....Yes, nico. Because the part you have failed to notice is this:
This income is measured after income tax, council tax and housing costs have been deducted, where housing costs include rents, mortgage interest (but not the repayment of principal), buildings insurance and water charges. It therefore represents what the household has available to spend on everything else it needs, from food and heating to travel and entertainment.”
Could i live on £115 a week after rent and tax? absolutely..it would not be ideal but it is very easily doable. It would even be possible to go out once a week.
Could two pairents afford to live decently with two kids after rent on £279 a week? very much so.
@Frase
Feb 24th, 2011 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah! Now you want to become Argie to claim Buenos Aires hey! Hahahaha
I’m joking.
So here a question for you. Knowing London and Buenos Aires and assuming someone let’s say is earning a minimum wage of £900 (single person and renting)
Its not the same as someone living here with $1750? What the economists call here poor?
@zethe
1- “Answer your own question...How do they live? they're clearly not obeying the numbers you list here”
Easy borrowing money like in US.
The day the bicycle stops they end on the streets.
“Well....Yes, nico. Because the part you have failed to notice is this:”
I didn’t, I know that this after tax, and they are taking as housing cost 30/24 pounds. What really is a joke.
You had agreed with me that at least a room outside London in the cheapest area like East End would cost £90 pw. So to the £115 you have to add real cost difference £60 (and not the £30 taken by your govt), so this person will ends with £55 pw.
Sainsburys prices:
Coca Cola Fridgepack 10x330ml Normal price £4.09 offer £3.00 (valid up to 08/03/2011)
Walkers Crisps, Cheese & Onion 6x25g £1.52/unit
Dolmio Tomato & Basil Pasta Sauce 350g £2.09/unit
Gillette Series Shave Gel Extra Comfort 200ml £2.75/unit
Hovis Best of Both Loaf, Thick Sliced 800g £1.25
Galaxy Milk 125g £1.39/unit
Well I didn’t buy anything yet and I already have expended £12
Please Zethe a person with £279 a week with kids is poor.
I don't remember denying that a poor person isn't poor. What you've said is that it is impossible for a person to live on this money and you are as usual, incorrect.
Feb 25th, 2011 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“they are taking as housing cost 30/24 pounds”
Oh ARE they?! I seem to have missed that part...Probably because it's not in there and this is your way of trying to worm out of your rather embarrassing mistake.
Even if you were right and the report said that a persons rent was 30 pound a week in london, the report would be inaccurate and you would be quoting inaccurate information which would make you...again, wrong. Have it either way nico.
“£90 pw. So to the £115 you have to add real cost difference £60”
No, it's clear if you read it. The £115 is after tax, housing costs rents, mortgage interest, buildings insurance and water charges. It says it right there nico, in the information you supplied yourself. It could be wrong....But that would also make you wrong, no?
You still manage to be the only person i know who can find factual information and still be wrong. I'm embarrassed for you, really.
@Zethe,
Feb 25th, 2011 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok I made a mistake on “30/24” was £33/£39 anyway that does not change what I said.
Headline poverty statistics, ‘before’ and ‘after’
housing costs
Table 2.1 Low-income thresholds in 2006/07
Before deduction BHC After deduction AHC
Single adult £151 - housing cost £39 = £112
Couple without children £226 - housing cost £33 = £193
Lone parent, 2 children u/ 14 £242 - housing cost £53 = £189
Couple, two children under14 £316 - housing cost £46 = £270
As you can see for a single adult who’s income is £151 before housing and Tax after deduction of housing cost ends up with £112. What give to me that they are taking a housing cost of £39.
Wow how cheap! Does this includes cleaning service, TV cable, Internet and 2 girls?
Tell me what can you rent with £39 pw in London? And for £33?
http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org.uk/downloads/LondonPovertyProfile.pdf
with £33 you cannot rent anything in London as I said before a room in a croweded house will cost £90.
So here may be the explanation this is only the cost of the expenses as water, gas and electricity. And they already are on housing benefit or income support or something like that.
Here some cost
East London £650 - £750 1 bedroom per month
West London £700 - £800 1 bedroom per month
South London £600 - £700 1 bedroom per month
North London £650 - £750 1 bedroom per month
Weekly Zone 1-6 Travelcard £41
Average weekly grocery bill £30
Average restaurant meal £12 / £20
Pint of beer £2.50 - £3
Average meal mid-priced restaurant £20
Sigh, i don't even know why i bother. I mean, you're the dumbest entity i've met...My nans dog has more intelligence than you show to have.
Feb 25th, 2011 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Ok I made a mistake on “30/24” was £33/£39 anyway that does not change what I said.”
What line? What page? Theres no £33 or £39 in the whole document according to search.
But again nico. If the document does say that rent in london is £30 a week..THEN CLEARLY YOU HAVE PROVIDED US WITH INACURATE INFORMATION AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE STATED IS BASED ON INACURATE INFOMRATION AND THEREFORE WRONG.
“As you can see for a single adult who’s income is £151”
I no longer wish to argue maths with someone who has the intelligence of a turd. Your numbers are bloody rediculous, none of them are based in real life, any of them.
The maths is simple:
Minimum wage = £260(around this, depending on hours)
Tax = £50
Rent = £90
That leaves us with....DUN DUN DUN: £120
A full 5 pound over the estimate the report gives us.
And again...Nico the one massive flaw in your rediculous claims is that if people could not afford to live, they would die. This is not the case.
@Zethe
Feb 25th, 2011 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you drinking to much beer or what?
If a single adult before housing cost gets £151 (what the documents says) and after deduction is £112 (what the documents says)
The cost they are taken is £39 (is the difference of £151 - £112).
So as mathematics and reading seems not to be your best skills, I took the work to put “housing cost £39”
“Single adult £151 - housing cost £39 = £112”
What you were searching hahaha you cannot be so dummy.
“Minimum wage = £260”
Not all are getting this as some people only have one job working part time and cannot complete 40 hours a days.
And in UK there is not a minimum wage of £260 else minimum wage per hour.
“The National Minimum Wage (NMW) is a minimum amount per hour that most workers in the UK are entitled to be paid”
“£5.93 - the main rate for workers aged 21 and over
£4.92 - the 18-20 rate
£3.64 - the 16-17 rate for workers above school leaving age but under 18
£2.50 - the apprentice rate, for apprentices under 19 or 19”
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/TheNationalMinimumWage/DG_10027201
Have you ever work in UK?
Anyway what kind of debate can I have with someone who believes that with £250 pw in London is rich and who things that the best food in the world is in UK?.
Aghhhhhh
@52 - You've partly worked out my plan, I'm going the self-determination route (naturally), I'm going to try to re-populate Argentina with Brits, then we'll vote for Argentina to become a British Overseas Territory. I've got one son here so far, so the wheels are in motion! Ciao Buenos Aires, Hello 'New Bristol'!
Feb 25th, 2011 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've never actually lived in London, I lived in Bristol, making more than minimum wage, but not a great deal more. I shared an apartment with a friend, and lived fairly comfortably. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't eat out all the time, and drink champagne every night, but we never had a problem paying the bills, and could usually afford to go out for a few pints every so often, and over the course of about a year I was able to save the money to come out to South America. Though, that was before the credit crunch, crises, etc and not in the capital city.
I also haven't lived in 'New Bristol' ;) in Argentina, but here in Córdoba, a few years ago I was earning more than $1750, but again, not a great deal more, and we lived fairly comfortably, we couldn't save much money, but could pay our bills and go out for a few drinks from time to time. I managed to get a better paying job about 18 months ago, which is just as well, as it'd be difficult to get by on that now though with the current inflation.
”£151 (what the documents says)“ -
Feb 25th, 2011 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The document does not say this.
”is the difference of £151 - £112“ -
The document does not say this.
”The cost they are taken is £39“ -
The document does not say this.
You can't lie about what the document says because you've provided it to me, i've read it. I can see what it does and does not say.
Your numbers were based on the fact that you thought that it was the full wage, thats cool we're used to you making stupid mistakes. Now, either you made this mistake and now are lieing to cover it up..because i've searched the document and found no mentions of these other figures you come out with..or the document you've provided is incorrect, which makes all your assumptions and maths based on inaccurate information...Which also makes you wrong.
Have it either way mate.
”believes that with £250 pw in London is rich”
Never said this. I simply told you the truth, that it is not impossible to live on this money. You're the one with the irrational claim that it is impossible, while clearly people do live on it.
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