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HMS Gloucester rounds up Falklands patrol with visit to South Georgia
Royal Navy Portsmouth-based Type 42 destroyer HMS Gloucester, which is nearing the end of a seven-month deployment to the South Atlantic, has rounded off her Falkland Islands’ patrol with a visit to South Georgia. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules”which in this day and age is being illegally occupied by people like the British Antarctic Survey and South Georgia government”.
Feb 25th, 2011 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They could only go ashore for fished. And only temporarily.
Feb 25th, 2011 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still believe in the words of the British??????
This is so old-fashioned and boring “Royal” lol seriously, ROYAL is like a fossil of the Paleozoic! Don't you get sick of those useless royal morons?
Feb 25th, 2011 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Royal Navy Portsmouth-based Type 42 destroyer HMS Gloucester” scary name, isn't it?
We like our royals :)
Feb 25th, 2011 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also...illegal...I don't even see how Argentina claims these islands.
““Royal Navy Portsmouth-based Type 42 destroyer HMS Gloucester” scary name, isn't it?”
Feb 25th, 2011 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you were out on the ocean having a stand off with her in one of your RG tin cans.....yes it probably would be pretty scary (for you).
”which in this day and age is being illegally occupied by people like the British Antarctic Survey and South Georgia government”
eh? how is that illegal?
“eh? how is that illegal?”
Feb 26th, 2011 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think it's because it's connected to the same sea bed as Argentina? Although technically they're attached to the same sea bed as Japan, Iceland and Australia as well, so the logic is somewhat fuzzy.
I think the main reason is “it's ours it is and we wants it. My precioussss”
Argie battleship Type Nada ARA Capitán Piluso.
Feb 26th, 2011 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do not imagine what they face.
http://pictures.todocoleccion.net/fot/2007/12/11/6734288_1433237.jpg
Come on MoreCrap and Marvin - another opportunity! Tell the basis for Argentina's claim to South Georgia. I didn't get a response last time, but maybe you'll get the courage to state what that claim is THIS time :-)
Feb 26th, 2011 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Somehow I doubt it.
@ 8 Redhoyt Tell the basis for UK's claim to Las Malvinas and South Georgia. Just because you want them? Like when you claimed India for Britain or like when you stole Hong Kong from China? Are those the basis? Because FYI the islands are f*cking far away from Europe and they're part of our country. It doesn't matter if you have weapons, that will never be a reason for the UK to say these islands or that country belongs to the UK. The UK stole those islands from us and one day those islands will be back in our hands.
Feb 26th, 2011 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0It looks like you are full of crap, change your panties then.
Very simple Rotted, buy yourself a decent map and read the history of British imperialism around the world.
Feb 26th, 2011 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0This drawing below answer your question:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/English_imperialism_octopus.jpg
Awwww, poor RG's still whining about the past...how about the present then?
Feb 26th, 2011 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you come get your stolen islands...the fighting G is waiting for you.
:-)
Xbox... 'Because FYI the islands are f*cking far away from Europe and they're part of our country........ The UK stole those islands from us and one day those islands will be back in our hands.'
Feb 26th, 2011 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is the bit that we would like explained..... how exactly are they part of your cuntry, and when and how were they stolen'
Maybe small 'd' Twink can help you.... then again maybe not.....
EXBrain - that's not a reason or ground for Argentina's claim. Geography is the last resort of the simple minded. South georgia was never legally in 'your hands'. Come on - surely you can do better than that!
Feb 26th, 2011 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0MoreCrap - again, since when did an internationally accepted map include South Georgia as a part of Argentine territory. Now I can produce old Argentine maps that show it aint so.
Result so far = no ARGIE can explain their Argentina's legal or historical claim to South Georgia. JUST MORE ARGIE CRAP!
Very good, xbarilox and Marcos. Red, I will respond on the day you tell me the basis for UK to be in the Malvinas and South Atlantic.
Feb 26th, 2011 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0So far, their strongest argument are the Indians.
Has not responded.
@9 XBollox
Feb 26th, 2011 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK doesn't have a 'claim' to the Falkland Islands & SGSSI, it has Sovereign Possession of them recognised by the UN.
Continued Sovereign Possession of the Falkland Islands by the UK is subject to the Self-Determination of the people of the Falkland Islands.
Continued Sovereign Possession of SGSSI by the UK is subject to the UK Parliament.
Argentina has all the pathetic irredentist 'claims' and colonial ambitions, so grow the fcuk up.
Marvin - the British claim to the Falkland Islands is based on
Feb 26th, 2011 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 01) - naming the islands in 1690
2) our settlement of the islands in 1765
3) the defeat of the Spanish in 1771
4) British administration of the islands which granted Vernett permission to go there;
5) and our reaffirmation of sovereignty in 1833
6) and 178 years of occupation.
As for the south Atlantic ... well no-one owns it so we are as entitled to be there as anyone else. South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands together with our Antartic territory we claim by right of discovery and occupation.
Now ....... Your Turn, no?
@ 15
Feb 26th, 2011 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK doesn't have a 'claim' to the Falkland Islands & SGSSI, it has Sovereign Possession of them recognised by the UN.” lol Or the Sovereign Possesion recognized by the UN is crap or the UK is crap, because you are here for a reason talking about this. So, this shows that the UK government is what we say, THIEVES AND LIARS. You have a claim, that's why the government says “The Falklands are our islands, we can prove it”. You can only say “we have weapons, we have the power” haha and that's hilarious, because you say that those are your islands, but you have to repeat it time after time because you know that “Sovereign Possession blah blah blah” is crap and doesn't mean anything more than “old thieves united” in the benefit of the UK, place of bigger thieves, that once was something, but no more. Things are changing Wireless, and the UK is becoming undesirable and dispensable faster than we expected. Wireless, in your kingdom you have nothing! You need South America, you need our oil, our fish, our food, our money, our waters, our lands, everything from us, including our money. You, without us would die in one day. So respect and be thankful that our countries don't have the weapons and the desire to go against you people, and that we are willing to give you what you need to survive. Because we don't need to be like the UK or the USA, because we don't need to invade other countries and steal their oil, their fish, their lands, their diamonds (Queen Victoria thank you), etc. But things can change and you'd be killed with a single blow.
You are looking a bit shaken and nervous there EXBrain - having doubts??
Feb 26th, 2011 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 18
Feb 26th, 2011 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Doubts? No, what are you talking about haha You have doubts and are nervous and angry because you can see this clearly, perhaps because you are old, that things are changing, in our favour and against the UK. When you see this, and people tell you this I'm telling you, you must think about it, and be thankful that other people in your country, like the islanders for example, can have something to eat without worrying, at least for now haha, I don't know what would happen to the islanders if our countries were like your country, just a thought. You don't care about the islanders, I know, but just think about it, what would happen to them if our countries were like your country, I guess the islanders would be killed. Would this make you happy? Knowing you, I'd say yes, because you'd be thinking about the number of Argentines killed without worrying about the British killed lol
I eat local rice and sea food, Australian beef and lamb, I use spices from India and China, chillies and prawns from Thailand, and I drink wine from South Africa or New Zealand. I grow mangoes, pappaya, figs, limes and bananas.
Feb 26th, 2011 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't find anything in the larder from Argentina. I thought you just made tractors !
@16 Red, All wrong.
Feb 26th, 2011 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 01)The islands appear on Spanish maps long before 1690.
2)The French occupied the islands 1 year before the arrival of Byron and 2 years before McBride's arrival.
3)The defeat in 1771 was British, is shown with his retirement and silence until 1829.
4)Yes, Argentina flag waving. Another lie. Easy to demonstrate with of Vernet documents in the Archivo General de la Nación
5) reaffirmation??? usurpation in 1833!!! With 2 Warships.
6)and 178 years of occupation and usurpation. Without the consent of the attacked country.
Has not responded.
Marvin -
Feb 26th, 2011 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 01) The Spanish were not even aware of the islands until 1765.
2) The French set up a business but made no official claim.
3) The 1771 diplomatic battle was won and the British returned. No matter how you twist history its a victory that cannot be denied.
4)Vernett sought approval .. even your historians know it.
5) We reaffirmed our sovereignty against Spain. Argentina was never a player.
6) Argentina was not attacked in 1833. A murderous band of villains who were the trespassing garrison from BA were told to leave. The settlers remained. No consent was required.
If you are refering to India then the only analogy that I see is that India went from Colony to Self Rule to Independence. The Falkland islanders have gone from Colony to Self Rule ... so there's only one step left!
@ 22
Feb 26th, 2011 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If you are refering to India then the only analogy that I see is that India went from Colony to Self Rule to Independence. The Falkland islanders have gone from Colony to Self Rule ... so there's only one step left!” The Indians were Indians, the islanders are British, jeropa! The UK invaded India, and the UK invaded our territory, las Islas Malvinas, and those people in Malvinas are British. Your ignorance is as big as the universe, Redhoe. When we talk about colony we don't mean that the islanders are people who were colonized by the British, we mean that the islanders are British people living in a territory stolen from Argentina. Is that clear now, Redhoe? Maybe it's all because of your age, take your pill then if you can't grasp these simple facts, because it's hilarious that you talk about the British islanders as if they are people who were conquered by the British hahaha You deserve a prize for being the most awesome idiot among all the idiots. Vuelva al cotolengo nono, usted no está en condiciones para participar en este tipo de foros.
@23“Xbarilox the confused”
Feb 26th, 2011 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please explain how you come to the conculsion that the islands were stolen from argentina in 1833 and that argentinian people were expelled from the islands. As i find it confusing, when you consider the fact the agentianian people did not even exist until 1853 - the year that argentina came into being as a state. Before that you were nothing but a mixture of independent provincial states, much like that of the 50 states of the U.S. were prior to them joining together to form a federal republic.
So please enlighten us as to how a nation like argentina can claim we stole the islands from them prior to argentina actually existing as a nation? Simple answer is you can't, because it can not have happen if your country never existed at the time they alleged they were stolen.
If your government is so sure about what they say and teach you in your argentinian school history lessons and books, then why are they so reluctant to take the UK to the ICJ for the theft of the islands, that your country alleged happened prior to your country even existing, am sure the ICJ judge would find your governments claim of theft from them at a time that the country they govern did not exist, to be very enlightening and entertaining in the comical sense at your countries expense! Though i must admit, i already know what the verdict will be in such a ICJ case, and that would be the islands are the soverienty of the UK and the inhabitants, as with all living human beings, have the right to self determination without being threaten by unfriendly nations by either military, polictical or economic means.
Failing the ICJ, which we both know you will, you could always get in your canoes and paddle across to the islands and attempt another invasion, though we all know what happened the last time your tried that, don't we! And i suspect that next time we, wont stop at just repelling your invasion but instead invade argentina and show you just what colounism really is!
I hope the crew of Gloucester won't be to upset if they have to stay a few weeks longer than planned Cameron's diverted there relief ship HMS york to rescue duties in Libya. The way things are going most of the African countries are going to get rid of there dictatorships so a lot of people might be needing help getting home but hopefully others won't be like Libya.
Feb 26th, 2011 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0#20 Red
Feb 26th, 2011 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0relevant,relevant !
www.maplecroft.com/about/news/gra_2011.html
well, what can l say? what an out-pouring of utter rubbish from the Argentines. but well answered by Redhoyt,Teaboy2,Wireless,Westy, Frank and Rufus.(hope l didn't miss anyone!).
Feb 26th, 2011 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0The dam really burst with you, didn't it xbox? must have been storing all that garbage for quite a while.
No, amigoes, you don't own the South Atlantic at all. No one owns it & we have the right to live here just as much as you.
Why don't you use your boundless energy to repair your own broken down country and make it a good place to live? you have plenty of work ahead of you. get cracking now, chin chin etc.
http://www.asiapacificms.com/articles/argentine_sovereignty/
Feb 26th, 2011 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh look. The French could see that the English were there in the 1760s. Seems we were there first, dagos. And you tried to snitch something when we weren't looking. Just like 1982. Don't try again, losers. Next time, BA GOES!
Isolde ! here is serious platform...
Feb 26th, 2011 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0would we invite you to Facebook !
@29 arquero, thanks for the offer but no, thank you.
Feb 26th, 2011 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 xbarilox, hahaha EXCELLENT
Feb 26th, 2011 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are many things I want to say, but I limited language.
When we talk about colony we don't mean that the islanders are people who were colonized by the British, we mean that the islanders are British people living in a territory stolen from Argentina. EXCELLENT
“ ... British people living in a territory stolen from Argentina ...”
Feb 27th, 2011 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0No idea where you are talking about Ex-Brain. The Falkland islands have never been owned by Argentina and can not have been stolen from them. There was a small dispute between Spain and Britain over the islands but Spain lost that in 1771. However we let them stay a while longer because we are nice that way :-)
The Falkland islanders are British by choice ... and that choice will be supported. For all the rantings on these pages Britain can protect its BOTs.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/8349939/Liam-Fox-Libya-crisis-shows-why-were-right-on-defence-reform.html
@31 Malvinense, Marvin, when is Argentina going to return the land that it stole from Chile and Paraguay?
Feb 27th, 2011 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody stole anything from Argentina, rather your country stole land from others. And it would steal our land if it could.
@32 Red, “However we let them stay a while longer because we are nice that way” Amazing, no words.
Feb 27th, 2011 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@33 Isolde, Argentina did not steal anything to Chile. It solved all the problems of borders with the agreement of the 2 countries. Argentina and Chile have the longest border and difficult world. Nor steal anything Paraguay, Paraguay invaded Argentina. The territories ceded to Argentina were by treaty. Paraguay does not claim anything.
xbarilox: British people living in a territory stolen from Argentina. Is true.
“ ... with the agreement of the 2 countries ...”
Feb 27th, 2011 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0We did that with Argentina in 1850, but then Argentina is a dishonourable State and goes back on its agreements. Ask the neighbours!
@34, thats not what the Chileans say, they say that you took Patagonia while they were fighting Bolivia and Peru in the war of the Pacific in 1879.
Feb 27th, 2011 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why should Paraguay cede you territory? Did your country threaten them, the same as its trying to threaten us?
The Falklands were not stolen from anyone. Your garrison was here illegally and so were ejected.
Britain claimed the Falklands before Argentina even existed. And don't give me that rubbish that you“inherited”them from Spain.
Spain left you nothing and didn't even recognise you until 1859.
No my friend, the Falklands have NEVER belonged to Argentina despite what your school and history books say.
also bolivia is saying chile took part of their land so ....we are allies with chile you know in antarctica....you uk are claiming lands from paralell 20 to 80, that is bigger than argentina claim from 25 to 74 and is also affecting the chileans so chile and arg presented together an opposition to your claim
Feb 27th, 2011 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0you are saying it so clearly YOUR GARRISON WAS HERE illegally jajaja AND SO WERE EJECTED:
Errr ... it was YOUR illegal garrison that was ejected!
Feb 27th, 2011 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@37 malen, your garrison WAS here ILLEGALLY and so was EJECTED, in both 1833 & 1982.
Feb 27th, 2011 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come again and they will be ejected again. jajaja.
Haven't you got it yet? We do not want you in OUR land.
You ejected 50 marines Malen clap clap! It only took you 12 hours and a battalions worth of Marines with air sea and armour assets :)
Feb 27th, 2011 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I notice there are no eternal flames to the heros of Argentina killed in the fuck up you called the Invasion of South Georgia :)
@35 Red, We did that with UK in 1823 and 1825, but then UK is a dishonourable State and goes back on its agreements. Ask the WORLD!
Feb 27th, 2011 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 Isolde, There is a claim of Paraguay and Chile?
No. End of discussion.
You do not know that Spain and Argentina brought 60 years of sovereignty? With what rights expelled the garrison from another country? You have your island in the north pole, the Malvinas is our land.
fraid not mate, never has been, never will be.
Feb 27th, 2011 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Y Draig Goch, Never say never, my friend.
Feb 27th, 2011 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well ok, the Uk might get totally overrun by muslim extremists and the islanders might decide being a lower class citizen attached to tiera del fuego is the way forward, but i honestly see Hitler making a comeback sooner than argentina owning the islands for the first time.
Feb 27th, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Y Draig Goch, And there can be a President of Argentina islander to help us improve?
Feb 27th, 2011 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Help you improve what? Verbal diharroea?
Feb 27th, 2011 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Well ok,
Feb 27th, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0politicians just get in the way, people power i say! we dont want the falklands economy being drained by second homes, moats, elaborate tree houses like they do in the UK! :D
Feb 27th, 2011 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A snippet of interest perhaps - “ ... •When 12 year old Horatio Nelson joined the Royal Navy, in 1771, he did so through the patronage of his mother’s brother, Captain Maurice Suckling, who was able to take on the boy as a midshipman because the fleet was mobilizing for a possible war with Spain, over the ownership of the Falkland Islands ...”
Feb 28th, 2011 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0well it happens i dont know exactly what means all the english words, garrison for me was asentamiento.
Feb 28th, 2011 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0another snippet (i dont know what it means but it suggests me sth like un dato de interes perhaps) “ocurren aqui las miserables islas malvinas, donde no se da el trigo, donde no crecen los arboles. decididamente soy del parecer que esta inutil posesion se devuelva, desde luego, al gobierno de bs as, que justamente las reclama” molesworth por 1800.
your ambitions of antartida are hugger than those of south american countries
excellent barilo
@50 malen, hugger? que? do you mean bigger?
Mar 01st, 2011 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@48 Interesting.
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 51 yes, bigger.
What lovely turquoise waters.
Mar 03rd, 2011 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is surely blessed indeed, to have such beautiful territory.
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