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Argentine military dictators on trial for stealing hundreds of babies
Two former Argentine dictators appeared in court Monday on charges of kidnapping hundreds of babies seized from political prisoners, minutes after birth. Ex rulers Jorge Videla and Reynaldo Bignone alongside with six other former military officers are involved in the court case that is expected to last until the end of the year. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe people of Argentina should use this to understand why the people of the Falkland Islands do not and have not trusted any Argentine politician.The Falkland Islands have a total population of 3000 and these monsters tortured and killed 35,000 of its own citizens ! It was so heartless that it even stole the prisoners babies after they had been raped and tortured for months. It would have been a busy afternoons work for the Navy Petty-Officers School of Mechanics to wipe out the entire population of the Falklands. This is what the people and polititians of Argentina do not understand.We live next to a nation that has probably had more dictators than any other country in the world.
Mar 01st, 2011 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Viscount Falklands: Although YOU don't believe it many Argentineans that unfortunately are not expressed it is this forum, they think of the human rights of the Islanders of Malvinas/Falkland to give him a satisfactory solution. We have suffered it with 30.000 missing persons and concentration fields of it finishes it dictatorship, although YOU don't believe it, England collaborates with Galtieri before 1982, in the implementation of the state terrorism with material, technology (purchase of ships and airplanes) and personnel trained in tortures and disappearances in its experience in the fight against the I Exercise Irish Republican. Discover in the Web of International Amnesty, Mothers and Grandmothers of square of May, Pérez Esquivel (I Reward Beginner of the peace) and of other organizations of International human rights and it will be surprised.
Mar 01st, 2011 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We tell him this without breakawaying since of our responsibilities of 1982 that it was a cruelty, the military ones sought to use the conflict of 1982 hiding the cruelties and you kill them of the state terrorism as this way Margaret Tacher to cover their internal conflict of massive discharges and privatizations months before 1982. As he/she will see nobody it is free of throwing the first stone...
In spite of everything this doesn't remove that our reclamos of sovereignty is fair, since all this transcends, since it is a I claim very previous to these events, it is a feeling of justice of an immense majority of the Argentinean citizens, covered by these barbarians that I lower the inspiration of the generated Doctrine of national security and imposed by United States and England, they not whipped alone to Argentina but to the rest of Latin America.
@1
Mar 01st, 2011 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would love to know what do you think about the Hitler's Germany and the current Germany, Franco's Spain and current Spain, Mussolini's Italy and the current Italy.
#3 we think the same of them back then as we do of argentina now. currently we have no issues with them other then their governments attempts of power grabbing via the EU. which i doubt we will be a member off for much longer thank god.
Mar 01st, 2011 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you don't have any other issues with Argentina other than malvinas, dictators are being judged as they should aaaand IT'S BEEN 28 YEARS SINCE LAST DICTATORSHIP!!!
Mar 01st, 2011 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about your soldiers, commanders, etc, fighting all those wars (now in irak)? Brits and Yanks are the most hypocrites in the entire world when it comes to human rights
@Viscount F***** stay away from Argentine internal affairs that obviously you don't anything about. Between 1960 to 1980 South America as a whole fought terrorism (Chile, Argentina, Brasil, Uruguay, Peru, etc, etc). Argentina, now, is the only freaking country (politically motivated)that still “jodiendo” with the same people over and over again when the other countries in question provided amnesty and turned the page on the issue. Any questions?
Mar 01st, 2011 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@#5 Juan, just because we don't have any other issues (not that am forgetting the hand of goal that robs us) it doesnt change the fact that 28 years is witin my life time and that of many others. Nor does it change the fact that many here are pissed off with your countries cry's and rethoric. So why should we forget it and let it go, you invaded british soil, so no we wont forget it. WW2 was not in my life time or many others, but that doesnt mean i trust the germans or the italians either.
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for our militaries, well where fighting against terrorism, to protect world peace and other countries including latin american countries, because if the terrorist weren't being kept busy by us do you seriously think they will miss up the lapses in your countries poor security that is less advanced to ours? No they wouldn't, they do it for media attention and spread their bullshit, so your country would be a vunerable target to them. So how about thanking us and the yanks for keeping yellow backsides safe.
Oh and by the way, we all know that if you had a military of your own, of any signifigance, you'd be invading the falkland and other countries like uruguay and chile, just so argentina the bully can get what she wants. After all the only reason your dictator invaded the last time was becuase the people wanted the islands, so nothings changed cos you cant blame them for trying to get something you and your people were crying for can you.
Argentina liberated their neightbouring countries (that were once part of us) it was never intended to colonialize, they got independence right away. BIG, HUGE difference between GB and ARG.
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hope you read a lil bit of our history before commenting it's useless to explain this things to you. So I'll drop it, good luck with your research!
Really? Try telling that to the parguayans, uruguayan, chilians and peruvians, am sure they will all disgree along with the indeginous tribes native to South America that argentina nearly wiped out. Facts are argentina sees land as theirs no matter who it belongs too, and has a long bloody history of land grabbing by force just so you could extend your borders and be the most poweful nation in latin america (lol you wish). All the land you say you liberated was land reclaimed from you originally, so you only reoccupied liberated land from argentina. Britain liberated france, germany, greece, belgium, holland, luxemburg, and many other nations in WW1 and 2 along with the U.S. and have done the same for many countries since, most notably the falkland islands in 1982 during another attempt of argentinian land grabbing. So no, all the lands you say you liberated that got independence from what you viewed as an occupying government, did not get independence as they are now governed by argentina and they never had a choice in the matter, thats colonisation my friend, in fact the whole of south america doesnt belong to anyone of european descent does it? so the fact your still there is evidence of continued colonisation. The falklands however had no indigenous natives on the islands, so the falklands were not the result colonisation, instead they were settled upon under a british flag.
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0So how about you liberate argentina by returning the lands to the indigenous tribes that were their long before your spanish/european ancestors?
You like throwing the word colonialism at us brits, but completely forget the fact that you yourselves are the descents of european colonist and probably would not have been born if it wasn't for such colonisation by spain and portugal. Also, wasn't your attempt to invade in 1982 an act of colonisation by attempting to force your will and government onto the population of the falkland islands? yes it was! Just like you continue to do to this day.
falklands were settled upon under a british flag you put illegally and by force
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am concerned with two things
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Argentina awarded amnesty so life could move on. This was fixed in Argentinian law and should be immutible. Then Kirchner made a new pronouncement that the Amnesty was Annulled.
This has implications for Brasil, where Amnesty is fixed in Law, and where Dilma Rousseff has declared her interest in Annulment in order to punish the ex-military leadership of the years of 'military democratic dictatorship'. If Dilma was even-handed she would Annul the protection of the 'Freedom Fighter' international terrorists of which she herself was a leader, but can you see her putting herself in prison!!!
2) Juanweather (#8) ”Argentina liberated their neightbouring countries (that were once part of us). It was never intended to colonialize, they got independence right away. ”
Is it really true that the countries around Argentina were at some time Argentinian owned?
I doubt that Argentina owned Brasil, though they might have thought they owned Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, Peru, TdF, etc. If it is true, I am pleased that Argentina created these newly independant countries.
#6 artillero60 ......I do know about your countries internal affairs because a member of my family lived there during that period. I also have Argentinian friends that i meet every week and we discuss these matters. The armed forces in the Falklands are there, ONLY because of the threat of invasion from Argentina. And you want to give an amenesty to people who tortured and raped and killed 35,000 of your own citizens.....? Tortured and repressed many tens of thousands more,Took the country to war which it lost very badly,Bankrupted the country,terrorised it very own population.....you want to give them an amnesty ?
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#10 malon the plonker
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No... because when us british first claimed the islands and first raised union jack flag in 1690 the islands were uninhabited. Before that the islands were and had been uninhabited for 200,000 million years. In fact, the previous inhabitants were early Jurassic period dinosaurs from southern africa, after all thats were the falkland islands originated from georgraphically. So unless your related to those southern african dinosaurs (they were dumb too), then it is impossible for us to have illegally claimed the uninhabited and unclaimed lands of the falklands, and as argentinians and argentina did not exist until 1853, then its impossible for any argentinian claim that the brits illegally stole the islands from argentina to be true let alone make any sense.
Basically, we brits were there first, we're still there now, and we will be there in the last days of life on earth. You though, well if you keep pissing us off, i can not guarantee how much longer argentina will last as a nation.
@12 Viscount F****, Again let me explain. Those people already paid for the crimes committed !!!!!!!! During president Alfonsin went to jail, during Menen out of jail and now with the K's back in jail for the same reason. How many times are you going to judge the same people for the same cause ???? Don't you think that ONCE IS ENOUGH ?????????????????
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Arty
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry mate but i don't see how these new charges that they are being tried for formed part of the charges they were original charged with under Alfonsin. In law you are punished for the crimes you are charged with, not for the ones you are not charged with. So way i see it they have never been charged with the taking of these babies and killing of their mothers until now, and as such have not been punished for this crime. Not only that i fail to see why you are against them being punished for their crimes, especially one as sick as this, because like child killers/molestor they deserve to be put to death for it. Just a shame neither argentina or britain has captial punishment anymore.
@teaboy2 .... that is politically motivated. Is like the Nuremberg trials over and over again. This is my take into the matter. On a different note, 150,000 civilians dead in Iraq, should we send Bush and Blair to jail ? including, babies, mothers, etc., etc .....In a war , there is collateral damage always !! is water boarding considered torture? is Wantanamo bay legal? Come on people, we can go on the issue all week long .... Who is judging Pinochet for what he did? (already dead, too late for that) Chile had ammisty to the ex military correct? Peace out !!
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hound these people to the grave.They deserve no part of civilised society and unlike the Germans,no country will give them peaceful residence.Amnesty is for minor offences,not mass murder.
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tontonboy2
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0plonker i dont know what it means but it suggests me sth not funny.
the isles are part of arg . if arg only exists since when we get independence, so you now dont exist. we dont emerge as a country from one day to another there was an evolution tontonboy.
the isles were discovered first and occupied first by spanish expeditions.
you are bothering us....not we
@Malon the plonker
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i suggest you read the histotical facts about the provinces that made up the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata and the true historical facts in my post (#36) here - http://en.mercopress.com/2011/03/01/malvinas-after-all-are-the-falkland-islands-say-argentine-official-webs?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=aviso_comentarios
Also read how Tierra del Fuego province was not part of the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata and was not part of argentina till 1884 when an argentinian goverment was put in place in the province.
Then also read my post (#38) on the same webpage above, where i make the following historical fact clear ”Also The British Patagonia Mission (based in brighton UK), under its superintendent Waite Stirling, founded Ushuaia in Tierro del fuego province as an Anglican mission in 1869. In 1884 the Government of Tierra del Fuego was created, and a subprefecture was established at Ushuaia. The above are all historical facts in brief, and there is more details to it such as settlements by the british explorers etc” then read the rest of the same post on how between 1880 and 1910 argentina committed genocide against the indigneous tribes the Selknam and Yaghan almost wiping them out entirely.
As for britain not existed just because argentia didn't exist till 1853, well thats just a ridiculous assumption as one we did exist before your revolution and secondedly the dominios indigenas were southern provinces that at the time belonged to the indigenous tribes of south america that covered over half of the southern territory of argentina when argentina was originally formed in 1853 the dominios indigenas territory were not part of your revolution as they were independent from you and the spanish.
tontonboyx2
Mar 02nd, 2011 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0patagonia and isles were discovered by spanish expeditions and were part of virreinato
im saying that people living in the isles, as you arent independant, doesnt exist in your point of view... for me no problem
i am not saying the falkland people do not exist at all, as they have always existed as part of british territory and population since the very first settlement. What am saying is the provinces that make up modern argentina were independent of federal government as such argentine government did not exist till 1853.
Mar 03rd, 2011 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0jesus learn english properly before posting as clearly you do not understand written english very well.
It doesn't matter who explored the southern province of Tierra del Fuego first, what matters is they were not claimed by spain and they was independent territory that belonged to the indigneous tribes people of america (as were most southern provinces were dominios indigenas), prior to argentina forcing themselves as rulers to the land in 1884 and subsquent genocide of the native tribes people. However since Ushuaia was a british paid for and buit settlement, then if we were to claim soveriegnty of Tierra del Fuego we would have a historical claim to the province that pre-dates any soverienty claim argentina has.
as for your claims virreinato (vice royalty) Well heres a map of the provinces that made up the vice royalty - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Virreinato.png seems Tierra del Fuego was part of pueblos originarios in other words territoy of the indigneous tribes. also half the provinces of the vice royalty belong to different countries like brazil and paraguay. so sorry but argentina did not exist before 1853 just because some provinces were part of the vice royalty of rio de la plata.
Idiot learn your history before posting rubbish.
“idiot learn history before posting rubbish”
Mar 03rd, 2011 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well dont call me idiot and second you are posting rubbish
and about my english its my problem not yours
Teaboy2
Mar 03rd, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are wasting your time with these people they twist words to suit themselves and no one else. Argentina is the only country in the world that has not evolved with time, they are in some sort of time warp as you can see from any of the Argentinian posts.
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Mar 03rd, 2011 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[only A theory]
Surely then in theory,
if the British are in the Falklands illegally, Then Argentineans must be in Argentina illegally,
if the British put the islander on the island ,illegally, then Spain put you lot in Argentina illegally.
So if the British should leave the Falklands, then the Argentineans should leave Argentina, as neither then originated from them,
so as stupid and as silly as it may sound, you just cannot have it both ways,, And as the British were there first , then you lose both ways,
so rather that theory, why not have facts, the Argentineans stay in Argentina, and the Falkland islanders stay in the Falklands, and the British withdraw, and we all live in peace, [now] what are the chances , that as soon as the brits were out of sight , Argentina would medially re-invade, you know it ,and we know it, so does this not make you untrustworthy, and never to be trusted mmmm
[or something like that ]
briton (#)
Mar 04th, 2011 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spot on mate. Could not have put it better myself.
Just a pitty the audiance you directed your comments to are not the real inhabitants of that Country because the current lot living their killed them all off didn't they still that is a spanish thing going about taking something that doese not belong to them. 1,000 years from now these barbarians will still be shouting from the roof tops that is if they havent by then killed each other of. Unbelievable that their kind could steel babies they must be pretty desperate. And they have the nerve to condemn our right to live our lives the way we choose that is British. Personally it would not make a blind bit of differance if our Country was Martian the Argentines would still say they were theirs. Sad lot but that's life I guess.
artillero601.
Mar 04th, 2011 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you some kind of moron or what, if at trial the defendant is charged with a crime and is punished and then after the trial there is evidence that they committed another crime you put them on trial for that crime. I would have thought that even some one that comes from Argentina would some how know that. But there again...................
@23 Britishbulldog.
Mar 04th, 2011 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your 100% right there mate. Hell they don't even know the real history of their own country. Talk about making it up as they go along and changing it to suit their wants and needs lol.
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Mar 04th, 2011 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, hey, you guys ....... a little bit of respect !
Mar 04th, 2011 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can I ask for a comment ot two on my two areas of concern that I raised in # 11.
I don't see why people need to attack. We express opinions and we disagree. It's called a debate and freedom of speech
Mar 04th, 2011 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has not owned any other country in south America,
Mar 04th, 2011 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she has had disputes with her neighbours over time,
she has a nasty habit of claiming what is not hers, then brainwashing others into believing this point, the Falklands are one of these points,
again she claims the Falklands but Argentina , has never owned them, she did try an illegal invasion, but was kicked out, ,,the future will never change until she gives up her false claims, and let the Falkland live in peace, does this help [ GeoffWard ]
artillero601.
Mar 04th, 2011 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems I touched a nerve, good,
These animals and I make no apologies for calling them animals kidnapped over thirty thousand children and then killed there parents because they did not believe in what these animals agreed with, they first tortured them and then took them out across the south Atlantic opened the doors and threw them out into the sea, many of these parent's were still alive when these animals did that.
Many more were set alight and burned to death, You will find that the only thing that I will ever agree with when it comes to what Argentina is doing, is that they are now again prosecuting these animals.
Can anyone ever see a British Prime minister or Government or its people letting their government doing what these animals did? And the Argentinians call themselves civilized don't make me lough, and don't forget while all this was going on these animals had their beady eyes on the Falklands.
I just wonder how many British children from the Falklands would have ended up in Argentina and their parents thrown to the waves.
Just one more reason to let Argentina know we have an eye on them when it comes to our land called the Falklands. never trust the Argentinians ever no matter what they say.
Twas the Americans and especially Kissinger who backed Videla and his Junta. Kissinger even urged Videla to get cracking and slaughter more people.
Mar 06th, 2011 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Videla was the archetypal CIA stooge, indeed alot of the brutal torture and murders came straight out of the CIA playbook.
@#33 Suguler
Mar 06th, 2011 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And your evidence of CIA and american involvement is where?
(34) Teaboy2
Mar 06th, 2011 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a Turnip you are.....
Do we have to read it loud to you to?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB185/index.htm
US President Jimmy Carter was active for many years trying to stop human rights abuses in Argentina. Unfortunately they continued until 1982 when Argentina was defeated in Falklands War and Military Regime forced out of power.
Mar 07th, 2011 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Always quick to blame but slow to thank.
“Two days after the military coup, Secretary of State Kissinger convened his weekly staff meeting. In this declassified secret transcript of the first conversation on Argentina, Assistant Secretary for Latin America, William Rogers informs Kissinger that for the Argentine generals' government to succeed, they will make ”a considerable effort to involve the United States - particularly in the financial field.“. Kissinger responds ”Yes, but that is in our interest.“
Mar 07th, 2011 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rogers advises that ”we ought not at this moment rush out and embrace this new regime“ because he expects significant repression to follow the coup. ”I think also we've got to expect a fair amount of repression, probably a good deal of blood, in Argentina before too long. I think they're going to have to come down very hard not only on the terrorists but on the dissidents of trade unions and their parties.“ But Kissinger makes his preferences clear: ”Whatever chance they have, they will need a little encouragement… because I do want to encourage them. I don't want to give the sense that they're harassed by the United States.”
[Note: On March 27, 1976, the IMF released a $127 million credit for the Military Junta]
#36 Always quick to ignore the truth.
37 Keep reading. This is after all your friend's link at 35.
Mar 07th, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it all true or just the bits you want to be true?
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