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Falkland Islands: other points of view

Monday, March 7th 2011 - 01:35 UTC
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Since mid January when Dr Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper first published an article under the heading of “Falklands’ Facts”, Argentina’s former Ambassador and Deputy Foreign Affairs minister during the Menem administration Andrés Cisneros has systematically replied with his own point of view, establishing an illuminating debate on an issue that is controversial but also passionate.
Now Anglo-argentine Henry Whitney who has the benefit of understanding both cultures and idiosyncrasies has joined the debate. Read full article

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  • Redhoyt

    Verbiage = “ ... Speech or writing that uses too many words or excessively technical expressions ...”

    A little harsh, I find Pepper's pieces quite clear :-)

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kiwisarg

    .....????? what kind of comments are these!

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    ” But to turn over the Falklands, with its remarkably developed democracy(like the Governor), reliable justice(like the case of missing marine Alan Addis) and honest leadership(like Lewis Clifton and friends), to Argentina would qualify as a crime against humanity.“

    ”Today the Falklands are still of strategic importance to Britain and her allies. With Diego Garcia, etc, they form a network essential to World peace”(specially after they expelled the people there and the Americans have a base with nuclear weapons)

    “When I was a blond, blue-eyed child growing up in the Northern Buenos Aires suburbs I was insulted on various occasions because I looked like a foreigner”

    Yes, I am sure the tens of thousands of blue- eyed and blond from San Isidro and nearby neighborhoods insulted you for looking just like them...please
    Mr, please don't forget to get your check.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britishbulldog

    Marcos Alejandro

    ” But to turn over the Falklands, with its remarkably developed democracy.

    Well that put your country into place did it not. Please tell everyone how many years you have had democracy, and how many years Britain has had it? even the small islands of the Falklands have more democracy than you country.

    I wonder how many years those animals that ordered the kidnapping of children and murder of their parents by throwing them out of an aircraft are going to get? Such a democratic country you have don't you think. I just wonder if they had lessons from those Nazi's you let live in your country they would have done something like that.

    And you have the gall to even dare comment on democracy or even the Falklands...................

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Britishbulldog, get your facts right before the other Brits have to correct you again like in the other article.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Nothing he said was incorrect. The islands have had democracy longer than Argentina. Your leaders threw people out of planes and you harbored Nazi's.

    His facts are right.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    My leaders Zethee? or the dictators supported by USA and UK 30 years ago?
    I harbored Nazis? what about the Nazi's that were taken to US and UK?

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geoff

    Good article but a point that never ceases to amaze and bewilder me-“English Passport”?? No such thing-and there has not been for over three hundred years. Why do so many people battle to understand the difference between “English” and “British”?

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    3 Marcos Alejandro.

    ” But to turn over the Falklands, with its remarkably developed democracy(like the Governor),

    Argentine government: 18 people: President, Vice President, 16 government ministers.

    Number of members who owe their posts to people voting for them in an election: 2, President and Vice President, both on the same ticket.

    Falklands Government: 6 people: Governor, 3 Legislative Assembly members, and 2 ex officio members.

    Number of members who owe their posts to people voting for them in an election: 3, the 3 Legislative Assembly members,

    reliable justice(like the case of missing marine Alan Addis)

    one person compared to who knows how many go missing in Argentina every year.

    and honest leadership(like Lewis Clifton and friends),

    one person compared to how many corrupt people in government in Argentina?

    to Argentina would qualify as a crime against humanity.“

    yes, it would do.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    Ah yes, poor old Marcos can only think of vague and single instances of lack of democracy, justice and honest leadership in the Falklands! While ignoring that his own country is globally known as one of the most corrupt countries in the World, with a strong and recent history of a brutal dictatorship. Oh the hypocracy!

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AndrewG

    A smartly written piece, Mr Whitney. Thank you.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    this is not another point of view, this is the same probritish point of view, tipical of MP. Cisneros was another point of view, at least a more democratic debate. the deforming photo of whitney i cant find it.
    aelxander betts is an islander that is living in argentina that has really another point of view than this man has.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    All very nice Malen, but you seem to forget that the ONLY point of view which matters is the Falkland Islanders' point of view. They are the only ones who can decide and what the majority of the Falkland Islanders want is what will happen. Nobody else can decide, not the UK and not Argentina.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    i dont think that only your point view is the one that matters......but you can think what you want i respet that

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Erm, Malen. The Falkland Islanders have a right to self determination. Only they can decide what happens to them and their country. Not you, not me, not the UK or Argentina. ONLY the Falkland Islanders.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stakeholder

    There has been plenty of dispute in these forums over the factual content of both Pepper and Cisneros' letter, but I doubt anyone can say they are not well-written. Even if you say they tell lies and evade the real issue, they still do so skilfully. Now what the hell is Henry Whitney's article doing up there? Some of his points are good, some are questionable and others I disagree with, but on the whole, it is of the same standard as many of the posts down here in this section. Did MP staff do a quick cut-and-paste from the 'comments' section of their website?
    Maybe I'm wrong though. Perhaps the wider public do need to hear less about claimed facts, events and international law and more from personal experiences. Islanders stand to lose the most from the sovereignty dispute. Argentina stands to lose national pride, the UK some oil, perhaps. The islanders could lose their jobs, livelihoods, homeland and way of life. I'm sure the majority of Argentines would at least think about the issue if they understood this. If anyone can show me the descendants of the pre-1833 inhabitants, living in sqaulor and poverty, pining for their homeland and culture like the Chagos Islanders, I'll reconsider.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    Redhoyt (1). Henry's contribution, which appeared first in the Buenos Aires Herald, is an accurate story of his family, accurate historically and an accurate account of the situation in Argentina. Like him I come from an old established family, my ancestors arrived in the River Plate on 25th January 1835 aboard the Cora under the command of Capt. Whitley. We have been here way longer than the majority of Argentines of European descent who arrived at the end of the 19th century up to the middle of the 20th century; most doubtful any of them could mention the ship and least of all the Capt who brought their ancestors over. Unlike Pepper we live here and know what is going on.

    And Marcos Alejandro if you want to send Henry a cheque he would be delighted, as all OAPs in this country we are being seriously short changed with our pensions. Another Argentine Govt rip-off who use our pension money to fill their pockets (a.k.a blatant corruption). If you can live on u$d 300 a month kudos to you.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ed

    I do not think UK *Malvinas Tourists have any chance against Argentina
    becouse that Arg has 16,720 000 manpower covers males and females deemed fit for military service,ages 15-50.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • I

    Who this this guy refering to ??
    “remarkably developed democracy ????????reliable justice and honest leadership????????, to Argentina would qualify as a crime?????”
    does anyone belive this garbage ?????
    http://www.the-falkland-islands-co.com/?section=0
    http://www.the-falkland-islands-co.com/?section=0
    http://www.the-falkland-islands-co.com/?section=0
    http://www.the-falkland-islands-co.com/?section=0

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    I (19). Most intrigued, what is your point “does anyone believe this garbage” and then you put in very interesting links??? Samuel Fisher Lafone and Alexander Ross Lafone were brothers-in-law to my 3 x great grandfather John Pownall Dale (first manager of the FIC). I have to presume your are an islander and your post is tongue in cheek.

    As for “reliable justice and honest leadership” both Henry and I are in a favourable position to compare. Security and justice don't exist in Argentina let alone honest leadership. Just one example: an armed intruder breaks into our house to rob or murder us (highly feasible given the current security) and we shoot him dead in self defence, we go to jail and furthermore the family of the intruder sues us for maintenance as we have killed their only means of support!!!! And do you know, we would loose the case!!!! It is commonly known that the criminals run free and the innocent go to jail.

    And Ed (18), I don't suppose you have heard of Nilda Garré who has decimated the Argentine armed forces; there are no planes to fly, the navy can hardly sail out of port and the army would have to resort to bows and arrows. Chile could overrun this country in 48 hours. Nilda Garré should be shot for leaving the country defenceless, an act of treason.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Tim “I” is Argentine, I can see how you would be confused as he is always that incoherent.

    I am looking into my crystal ball and I foresee that you will shortly be accused on being an imposter. As does any Argentine who doesn't toe the party line.

    Let me be the first to say welcome.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    JustinKuntz. Anyone who doesn't toe the party line is an imposter or as the current government sees it an “enemy”. Unfortunately the Argentine educational system works on “teaching by rote”, unlike our system where we were taught to question, research, investigate, dig, analyse and then write up our conclusions, so it is easy to understand why they are fertile ground for brain washing and indoctrination.

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Some vomit-worthy rote teaching in these videos...

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZhCnR7y_Jo&feature=related
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzLAcORiEXk&feature=related
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YitYaSOSf0&feature=related
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST7JYEBo3eI&feature=related

    Argentine “education” obviously hasn't moved on much since I was trotting around in a guardapolvo in the mid to late 1970s. We were fed exactly the same guff. Thankfully my parents taught me to think for myself...

    Mar 07th, 2011 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tte Estevez

    f the Argentines have such a problem with the Patagonian weather, how will they survive the even worse Falkland Islands weather?
    Really henry? it seems the Malvinenses have more problem to weather than Argentinians.
    malvinas Population :around 3000
    Tierra del fuego: Around 126000
    henry,there is a lot of corruption in uk also.
    The transparency rating is dubious,because put Argentina 2,9 index place, and Colombia 3,5
    which is an utter non sense.I do not know if anybody has gone to Colombia,but is far worse than Argentina,in corruption

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    Tte Estevez (24). There are two big differences between corruption in Argentina and the UK. One is the “quantum”, taking your bank manager out to lunch can be construed as attempted bribery; and secondly the manager would loose his job. Corruption is taken very seriously in the UK and you do get caught.

    In Argentina corruption seems to be a way of life and the “quantum” goes into figures that boggle the mind and worse they get away with it. Does anyone have any doubt that Mrs Kirchner and her acolytes will never go to trial??? She and they will get away with it and nobody will do a damn about it. The one person raising her voice on this issue is Lilita Carrio and it would seem she is talking to a brick wall. All past presidents have filled their pockets since corruption became properly institutionalised in 1946, but what is going on now makes past presidents look like babes in swaddling clothes.

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tte Estevez

    n Argentina corruption seems to be a way of life and the “quantum” goes into figures that boggle the mind and worse they get away with it. Does anyone have any doubt that Mrs Kirchner and her acolytes will never go to trial??? She and they will get away with it and nobody will do a damn about it. The one person raising her voice on this issue is Lilita Carrio and it would seem she is talking to a brick wall. All past presidents have filled their pockets since corruption became properly institutionalised in 1946, but what is going on now makes past presidents look like babes in swaddling clothes.
    Tim,I agree in most part.However,if you ever lived in the USA,I did,for 5 years,I am tired of listening to the complains of American people,saying stuff like this:'We have to hang a congressman a day”(because of corruption)
    “The senators and congressmen they enter office poor and they all come out rich”
    I agree,that in the private sector,there are more regulations,but politicians???Hmmm
    So far the most civilized system,I have seen is in Switzerland.They have a system of direct democracy,since 1876.The army is mainly a militia,every swiss citizen,have military training,2 weeks,and they keep the military weapons at home,with bullets.So every Swiss household has an Assault rifle,with ammo in their house.No representatives,nobody know who is the president,because he is only president in the office.
    Now about managing,a country? It seems that Argentina is doing much better than uk,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
    On the other hand,they do not seem even able to maintains uk,no body knows how is going to finish,uk,split in scotts,welsh,etc..They could not even mange properly Ireland.It shows they manage better??Dubious..

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    Tte Estevez. I hear the same from my cousin in Australia, but frankly when she tells me what she is gripping about it is peanuts compared to what we have here, as for the US I can't comment, but again it is in the “quantum”. As for the UK I have every confidence that Cameron will hopefully pull them out of the financial problem (I am not Labour and at the time of Wilson it was said that he was as straight as a corkscrew), and yes, I have seen that YouTube before. As for Ireland, I presume you mean Northern Ireland as the Republic have been on their own since 1922 and they left the Commonwealth in 1948. I have a lot of hopes that the Republic will also pull through, I have a married daughter and two grandchildren living just north of Dublin. Fine Gael have just won the elections (though it will be a coalition) and certainly they fill me with more hope than Spain or Portugal. As for a break-up of the Union I think it is more hot air than anything else, bear in mind that there is strength in unity and the Scots and Welsh are not unaware of this.

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    “But to turn over the Falklands, with its remarkably developed democracy, reliable justice and honest leadership, to Argentina would qualify as a crime against humanity.”

    LOL really?

    “Falkland Islands Government” guilty in Supreme Court for Human Rights Abuse http://www.falklands.net/FalklandsCorruption.shtml

    Please tell me this article is just a joke

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    That article is just a joke !

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    “The Kelpers are overwhelmingly British descended.”

    NO SHIT

    lol

    This has to be the funniest article Mercopress has ever posted, thanks!!!

    haha

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    #29... Come on Red... credit where credit is due..... it is 'Copyright Dr Mike Bingham' so it must be true... he wrote it...

    No decline in Chilean Magallenic populations? The buggers use them for centolla bait.....

    Martin.. its good to see that you are so easily amused....

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Centolla bait? Given half a chance I would use you....

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Bingham doesn't seem to have much standing ... except in his own imagination of course.

    Paranoia looms large in South America it seems !

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    You can almost see the spittle dribbling down Martin's chin... and so early in the day? Do they have anger management therapy in RGland??

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Well, lets cut to it.. shall we?

    How many penguins are there in Malvinas? Or “the Falklands” for the sake of argument. Any official sources? Other than your own of course which we all know can't be trusted.

    Are there NO-FISHING zones in place? Argentina have had 30-miles NO-FISHING zones around penguin colonies for years. How about you guys?

    Anyone?

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Martin.... taken your breakfast meds have you?

    I said 'No decline in *Chilean* Magallenic populations? The buggers use them for centolla bait..... '

    Would that or would that not suggest I was talking about Chilean fishermen............

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    I don't give a shit, I'm asking you a two direct questions.

    HOW MANY PENGUINS ARE THERE IN MALVINAS?

    ARE THERE NO-FISHING ZONES IN PLACE AROUND PENGUIN COLONIES?

    ARE YOU STUPID OR ARE YOU JUST IGNORING MY QUESTIONS?

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Oh... obviously the meds aren't working....
    #1 Don't know... haven't counted them this week
    #2 Don't know.... you tell me
    # 3a No...
    #3b No... but I think I should

    #1/3 STOP FUCKING SHOUTING AND TAKE YOUR MEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    So, you don't know? Is that what you're trying to say?

    Then you have NOTHING on Mike Bingham, NOTHING on Argentina and NOTHING on Chile SO SHUT THE HELL UP.

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    So Bingham writes an article on Bingham and for you it is gospel... oh well... Hitler had 10 years brainwashing the youth of Germany.... the peronistas have had 60 odd years to work on your head ( OK 10 in your particular case).
    Which part of the concept of 'rational discussion ' escapes you , Martin??

    Oh OK...all of it...

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    It's only 'rational' when you feel like you're right. Right Frank?

    This isn't even about Mike Bingham, this is about the things he exposed about the kelpers which is why I brought it up in the first place.

    You trashed what I said with an idiotic remark about... centolla bait or whatever the hell.

    I can see the editor is already deleting my comments... your comment using the word “F--KING” on post 39 is just fine.

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    It was not an idiotic remark re Magallenics in Chile.... Bingham says the populations are untouched and healthy.. fact is that for years Chilean fishermen were raiding the breeding grounds for crab bait... been there ...seen the results.
    Illegal now... but probably still goes on... the damage remains.
    'Fucking' in #39 was used for emphasis... I wasn't indulging in personal abuse.

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Good to know, for the next time I need to put emphasis on something.

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Just checked and am pleased to confirm that the Union Jack still flies high and proud over our beautiful Falkland Islands, South Georgia and other extensive South Atlantic territories.

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • saphira

    With regards to the numbers of the Magallenic penguins,There are about 1,300,000 breeding pairs
    CURRENT STATUS IUCN classifies this species as “near threatened”; population has declined at Punta Tombo and in the Falklands the last figures for the falklands was over a quarter of a million
    The humboldt seems to be in a very serious danger though approximately 3,300 to 12,000 mature individuals
    CURRENT STATUS IUCN classifies this species as “vulnerable”; CITES lists in Appendix I (endangered); significant threats include overfishing of prey species, drowning in gill nets, guano harvesting, human interference, and El Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) events

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Think, have you read this?

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • saphira

    Forgot to add the Humboldt penguin is not a falklands penguin but I added it as if anyone is really concerned about the penguins for the sake of the penguins and not as a reason to heap abuse on the Falkland Islanders then maybe they should look into what can be done to protect the Humboldt

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Did anyone notice the diversion away from the subject to talking about Penguins based on the mention of Bingham. Excuse me but if Bingham were correct, shouldn't Penguins be extinct by now.

    And if we mention Bingham, didn't the trial judge describe him as a “difficult individual” who was the “author of most of his own misfortune”.

    Back on topic,

    Is it so important to “own” the Falklands? What’s wrong with a good friendship? Let the Kelpers live their lives.

    Amen

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • I

    the illegal occupation of Malvinas Argentina needs to end and the illegal aliens in Malvinas Argentina need to go back home to UK and take their thieves, murderers and pirats back home with them.
    www.the-falkland-islands-co.com/?section=0
    www.fsa.gov.uk/pubs/final/darwin_clifton.pdf
    www.falklandsconservation.com/index.html
    www.sify.com/news/us-brit-spies-puts-10-million-pounds-bounty-on-gaddafi-news-others-ldgmOfjeaaf.html

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    I (50) Haven't we seen these links before???? You seem to be like a broken record without the brains to submit something new and fresh. Flogging a dead horse won't make it get up and walk, and Jesus' miracles with Lazarus occurred many moons ago or are you some kind of reincarnation???

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Tim,

    Thats all he does. The place has gone to the dogs since the clowns from El Malvinense took up residence.

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    I(diot) suffers from wind .... repeats himself!

    Mar 08th, 2011 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    Redhoyt, you make me laugh; I trust they aren't SBDs (Silent But Deadly)

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    48 saphira,

    How is this not a reason to hold the “Falklanders” accountable if they are the ones overfishing?

    Funny how you guys like to trivialize the issue labeling it as “old news”, yet there are still no restrictions on commercial fishing within penguin colonies.

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    Redhoyt; I am sorry to be the carrier of bad tidings. I checked on Bingham with my cousin's husband who is a top ornithologist in Argentina (and S.America) and who knows the islands well and here is his reply:

    On Bleaker Island in 2006 we landed to see penguins in a fair colony. What was my alarm when I detected that the colony that year occupied less than 10% of its former size and in the distance I could see the fishing fleet spread over the ocean. I believe that the fishing has done unmeasurable damage to the penguins, dolphins and sea-lions as well as “fur-seals”, but who is to raise the alarm - poor Bingham tried and got wallopped.
    Cheers in spite of all this

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tte Estevez

    Tim,I have a question.In which part of Argentina are you living?
    Regards

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Don't be sorry Tim, everyone needs at least one friend :-)

    From the little I understand about the man, he has an abrasive way of dealing with people and is very much the architect of his own demise. In many cases it's not what you say, it's the way that you say it. I have no sympathy for him.

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    “The Falklands Regime”
    By Dr. Mike Bingham

    “This true story tells how twenty years after British troops died for democracy in the Falklands War, a British citizen would be forced to flee the Falklands to escape political corruption and death threats, to seek democracy and freedom of speech in Argentina.
    When a British biologist dared to connect the starvation of 5 million penguins to commercial fishing that was making the Falklands elite rich, a deadly game of cat and mouse was unleashed. Bungled attempts to deport, imprison and kill Bingham, landed the Falkland Islands Government in the Supreme Court, which ruled that the Governor, Attorney General, Chief Executive and Executive Council had committed acts of human rights abuse that were “morally and constitutionally indefensible”.
    When the Falklands Government stated in public that they were not going to be stopped by the Supreme Court ruling, Bingham was forced to seek safety in Argentina”

    Interesting book.

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    58 Redhot,

    Letter to the “Falklands Government” from Mike Bingham

    “HE The Governor
    Government House
    Stanley
    Falkland Islands
    7th June 2002
    Your Excellency

    I am writing to you to express concern about the starvation and decline of Falkland Islands penguins.” http://www.seabirds.org/petition.htm

    Your Excellency! ...this man has no respect. ;-)

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    “ ... forced to flee the Falklands to escape political corruption and death threats, to seek democracy and freedom of speech in Argentina ...”

    LOL .... well, Bingham is certainly a better comic than I was expecting, but hardly believeable LOL

    Of course what he really is ... is irrelevant ... and I'm not that much bothered about penguins either!

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    “From the little I understand about the man...”
    “...and I'm not that much bothered about penguins either!”

    You make a compelling argument... lol

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Well .. of the penguins are on the Falkland Islands then it's up to the Falkland Islanders what happens to them ..... are they good to eat ?

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Ok, you're getting really stupid now.

    Thankfully the penguins are smarter than the Kelpers, (no surprise there) they've been leaving Malvinas for Isla De Los Estados and other penguin colonies in Argentina and Chile.

    Soon there will be no penguins in Malvinas and it will be evident beyond the shadow of a doubt that the idiot Kelpers are to blame. As for the fish stocks, their economy will crash, serves them right for their greed and their own stupidity.

    End of story.

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    I heard Argentina's fish stocks were down too!

    As for penguins, well I eat chicken and duck and geese, I've eaten partridge, grouse and pheasant, quail and snipe, woodcock and pigeon .... and food is getting more expensive :-)

    http://www.goliathcorp.com/penguin.html

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • saphira

    @55 One of the main problems for the Falklands penguins is a lack of immunity to various avain diseases,also the food they eat is smaller than commercial food so that may not be a link,another problem is the red algae but i wonder why they are declining at Punta tombo you seem to have overlooked that

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    63 If they were good to eat I reckon their future would be guaranteed.
    Another potential export market perhaps for the Falklands economy

    Penguin Tikka Masala to India
    Penguin Chow Mein to China
    Penguin and Chips to UK
    and
    Penguin Nuggets to Argentina.

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    Tikka Masala is a British dish not Indian, there is no excuse for such innacuracy when discussing such a serious topic.

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    I do apologise, you are absolutely right. How about a nice Madras for our good friends in India?

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    Tte Estevez. I live in Olivos, easy to find me as I am unique in that I am the only one with my name working in charity for my community

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    This its clearly ridiculous, patagonia was not important to argentina??? what the hell are you talking about, its that weak your argument that you need to invent fantastic theories?,
    “If the Argentines have such a problem with the Patagonian weather, how will they survive the even worse Falkland Islands weather? exactly the way that people in Santa Cruz and Tierra del Fuego,
    ”rascism”? jaja i heard about rascism about the bolivians or paraguayans, but rascism to a blond blu-eyes person?? Oh Come one, Even you dont believe such a stupid things, Argentina has more than the 70% of descendants of immigrants, and you say you were discriminated?? please stop lying that the only thing you do its to let us know you dont have any excuse to stay there

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    Why don't you ask I(diot) about racism, he's always on his soap box about that one, always talking about the 'white' man and how he's not and is always disadvantaged by white racists.
    If there is anyone outwardly racist on this forum it is I(diot), and he is Argentine, I guess their must be more than I(diot) in your country, and Henry must have met them in Argentina.
    Cry foul all you like, but your country is the one with racists, just accept it as a fact from your fellow countryman, why would he lie?

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    Simple, because im living right now, and the only people who can say there is rascism is bolivians and paraguayans, not blonde blue -eyes people jaja i invite you to come in here and see that with your own eyes, AND the problems with the paraguayans and bolivians comes because they comes from their countries and takes jobs here which means less work for the argentinians, i am sure that you know that because in Europe you are having the same problem, wich take us to talk about libia, if you see the news you'll know why im saying this

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    So you admit that there is racism, but only towards people of Bolivian or Paraguayan descent?

    I never said that their weren't racists in my country, they are everywhere in the World and need to be dealt with using existing Laws, but in your country it seems that you just accept racism against a particular race of people as being a natural thing but wish to do nothing about it, and from that I can only assume that your Police and Courts do little about it either.

    In much the same way that corruption is accepted in your country, and lying, and the Big Lie of Peronism over the Falkland Islands.

    Basically you're living in a hell hole.

    Libya, well we are the only people talking about supporting the civilian population from being systematically shot by Gaddafi for demanding Democracy, as yours is a flawed hell hole of a country you probably don't realise how important that is, plus we are the only country to send in two Royal Navy ships to evacuate British and Foreign Nationals, and four Hercules Transport Aircraft to rescue 6,000 Egyptians, and hundreds of International Oil Workers.

    What exactly has the Argentine Government done for the Libyan people?

    I'll answer that for you, fcuk all is what you've done.

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    Wireless, the fact that you are insulting is because you have no excuse, beside you have 0 understanding, thats why you are the way you are, and ignorant, and saying what you said about libia, when i talk about inmigration to europe and you are talking about revolution?? that is telling that you dont see the news, you have 0 understanding and you dont know what words means

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    If you could write in English properly, rather than force me to interpret your inane scribbling, then maybe you could elucidate a bleeding question I could understand and answer.

    It appears that even if I use the correct venacular, such as 'Libya', you still persist with 'libia'. Proving you are undoubtedly the least educated RG that I've had the misfortune to waste my time on.

    For your information, FCUK is an abbreviation of French Connection UK, a Public Retail Company, if you google it you'll see; so it isn't an insult at all.

    You must therefore be 'seeing things' I hoped you might see, rather than what I actually wrote.

    This is good news in terms of mind control, it means I'm controlling what you're thinking at a subliminal level already.

    Now, be a good RG, go and shoot yourself in the head.

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Libia is part of a woman's genitalia

    Libya is a country. Gaddaffi has uttered sympathetic platitudes to Argentina so won't be criticised.

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    66 saphira,

    I did not overlook that, and yes, it is concerning as well but there is a big difference.

    “Magellanic penguin populations declined in the Falkland Islands when food became scarce due to commercial fishing of squid and fish. Other populations have declined as a result of pollution from oily ballast water released by tankers. An estimated 40,000 Magellanic penguins are killed annually by oil pollution in Argentina.” http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=654

    As I said on a different post, we're comparing Malvinas, two tiny islands to a huge continental area that receives millions of tons worth of maritime cargo a year.

    40,000 deaths a year in the last 20 years is 800,000
    In the last 20 years a population of 6 million in Malvinas has been reduced to less than 1 million.

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tte Estevez

    Tte Estevez. I live in Olivos, easy to find me as I am unique in that I am the only one with my name working in charity for my community.
    Tim I live in Tucuman.Anytime you want to see beautiful mountains,drop me a line.
    You always will be welcome!
    Regards

    Mar 09th, 2011 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Kuntz“Libya is a country. Gaddaffi has uttered sympathetic platitudes to Argentina so won't be criticised”

    “Tony Blair our very special adviser by dictator Gaddafi's son”

    Tony Blair has become an adviser to Colonel Gaddafi, the Libyan dictator's son has sensationally claimed.
    Saif al-Islam Gaddafi said the former prime minister has secured a consultancy role with a state fund that manages the country's £65billion of oil wealth.
    In an exclusive interview, Saif described Mr Blair as a 'personal family friend' of the Libyan leader and said he had visited the country 'many, many times' since leaving Downing Street three years ago“.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284132/Tony-Blair-special-adviser-dictator-Gaddafis-son.html#ixzz1G9WuMIZN

    The Sunday Times
    ”Al-Megrahi’s release ‘would free BP’ to join the rush for Libya’s oil”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284132/Tony-Blair-special-adviser-dictator-Gaddafis-son.html#ixzz1G9WuMIZN

    British hypocrisy

    Mar 10th, 2011 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Ah, I see Margot adopts the spray accusations around in the hope it deflects from the fact that Argentina lauded Gaddaffi for some sympathetic platitudes he issued about the Falklands.

    Wouldn't that be just a teeny weeny bit hypocritical.

    Mar 10th, 2011 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    The facts are very clear at post 80.

    British hypocrisy

    Mar 10th, 2011 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    How is it hypocritical for blair to be friends with this man? Tonly blair is well known for pulling the UK into war over oil, now he's friends with this oil dictator.

    Wrong, yes. But not hypocritical. Please learn what the word means:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

    Mar 10th, 2011 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    “Tonly blair is well known for pulling the UK into war over oil”
    Very well Zethee, so why in the world is he the Middle East peace envoy?

    “TRIPOLI - Libya - Don't worry people. Please stop panicking. Everything is going to be all right because Tony Blair is now on the way to sort out the unholy Libyan turmoil he created in the first place.
    It certainly wasn't those dodgy Libyan arms deals he made behind the British people's backs, or what about Lord Mandy and the buffoon Gordon Brown who completed the shameful Megrahi oil deal much to the chagrin of the Lockerbie relatives?
    ”I am not only responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, but under my watch I sold most of these Libyans arms so that they could kill more of each other. As Peace Envoy to the Middle East, I can't think of anything more peaceful”

    OMG,is he from Edinburgh like Kuntz?

    http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/world/2658-don-t-worry-middle-east-peace-envoy-tony-blair-on-way-to-libya.html

    British Government great relationship with Libya's dictator in the morning and support for the rebels in the afternoon is hypocritical.

    Mar 10th, 2011 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    Tte Estevez, contact me Tim@Lough.com

    Mar 11th, 2011 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    It was tony blairs support for Libya's dictatorship and he's now over there making more money.

    Wrong, but again. Not hypocritical.

    Tony blair is well known for being a corrupt twat, and has continued being one since leaving office.

    Mar 11th, 2011 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Margot can't even get his facts straight, I'm not from Edinburgh.

    Still trying the distraction ploy I see.

    Mar 11th, 2011 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Sorry Glasgow boy, same s...

    Mar 11th, 2011 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Nope, not even rem0tely the same.

    Ah, I see you still adopt the spray accusations around ploy in the hope it deflects from the fact that Argentina lauded Gaddaffi for some sympathetic platitudes he issued about the Falklands.

    Hyopocrite, j'accuse

    Mar 11th, 2011 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    JustinKuntz, keep writing, but you dont have any excuse
    What about Chagos Archipielago?? is the same history of malvinas but with another country, what about the self determination of the people who lived in malvinas before 1833, or beter what about the self determination of the people who lived in chagos archipielago before UK expelled them too and take control of their archipielago?? please brits you say self determination when in both cases you didnt respect it, in malvinas you said you were in there before and what about chagos?? you didnt were there before and you did exactly the same thing that malvinas. You dont have any excuse. Malvinas Argentinas

    Mar 11th, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    “ ... What about Chagos Archipielago?? ...”

    Exactly ... what about them? Irrelevant!

    Mar 12th, 2011 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Mar 12th, 2011 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    I agree!

    Mar 12th, 2011 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Good, I'm glad that you agree that the Chagos are irrelevant MoreCrap :-)

    Mar 12th, 2011 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    What the UK government does around the world right or wrong, good or bad does not affect the Falkland Islands right to self determination any more than it affects the right to self determination of the other British OTs

    Mar 12th, 2011 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    It is the same case, UK is a member of the segurity council and you dont respect the other rights, and you are so hypocrites that you ask for it?? even when in both times you will lose

    Mar 12th, 2011 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    We hold all the cards then, all the real history proves us right, and we committed ourselves to fighting for freedom and were honoured with a permanent place on the Security Council and a Veto, and there's fcuk all you can do about it because you lot have no cards, nothing to prove your version of history, and have embraced dictatorships, juntas, and flawed democracy, you will forever remain a johnny come lately and a bit player in World Security, your government lies Internationally, is corrupt, and you're all poor, living in a hell hole.

    No-one takes you seriously, and for all the talk of 'brother countries' in South America, Chile is more our friend than your's, Brazil has a military pact with us, you protect Chilean terrorists from justice in Chile, are openly racist towards Bolivians and Paraguayans wishing to work in the 'single market' that is Mercosur.

    You're an International joke.

    Mar 12th, 2011 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @97Wireless, but they could be a good neighbour if they tried. they just don't want to try and want everything to be given to them.

    Mar 12th, 2011 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Hoyt, I agree with comment from 92 Searinox , I see that you asked the editor to remove it. Too bad that you wern't able to understand it.

    Mar 13th, 2011 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Not I .... I'm getting used to translation now ... with your help I now almost speak 'stupid' perfectly :-)

    Mar 13th, 2011 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    You don't need my help to achieved that :-)

    Mar 13th, 2011 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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