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Oil legislation to obstrut Falklands’ industry, a ‘boomerang’ for Argentine companies says FCO
For the Foreign Office the bill approved this week by the Argentine congress that proscribes fines and sanctions for companies or persons involved in support of the oil industry in the Falkland Islands is a ‘boomerang’’ that will only harm Argentine companies, reports Buenos Aires daily La Nacion in its Friday edition. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHow stupid is this. they are going to do this and they are becoming an importer of oil because of lack of exploration. Its time Argentena grew up. The people on the islands to not want to be part of Argentena so accept it, work with them and share in any oil finds.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where is El Thicko?
Mar 19th, 2011 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another nail in the...
Oh wait, bugger, it isn't.
“Some Argentine Law makers” - so they are the ones that got a 3rd class degree from their local Argentine Poly-Tech. Clearly these are the people that tell the leadership what they want to hear and not the truth that Argentina is powerless to make the UK do anything. The UK has infinitely more important thugs to deal with than some poxy and ineffective Argentine law.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina and her inferiority complex in evidence again. Ha ha!
The key point is....hows it going to obstruct Hydrocarbon exploration? This is obviously the one piece of the legislation they forget to consider.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0All you just need to do, is Avoid Argentina all together, quite simple.
I don't see how either this is going to humbly force the UK onto the negotiation table...I mean all their doing is banning Argentine companies from drilling in the Falklands EEZ hahah! David Cameron must be begging to get to the negotiating table LOL.
Do the Falklands rely entirely upon oil exploration as well?....eer no!
This bill quite clearly reveals serious flaws in Politics in Argentina and the quite woeful calibre of people that they call politicians in Argentina and certainly calls into question the credibility Argentine political thought and indeed the ability of Argentina to act as a mature democracy...
This kind of nationalistic outrage bus bill is something not even the Scottish parliament would pass, let alone propose on one of their nuttier days!
The Daily Telegraph article predated the passing of this legislation, so it hasn't been reported at all!
Mar 19th, 2011 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't really care. It will not make an ounce of difference to the sovereignty of the Falkland islands and if Argentina wishes to give companies a choice then maybe we can give them the choice between working for Britain or working for Argentina ........ that would have them screaming to the World Trade Organisation I suppose.
Typical Argy childishness that will result in a hole in its own foot!
“Another nail in the...” ... Argentine coffin of idiocy?.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK's actions must be embarresing to the average 'intelligent' Argentine (I know there's not many). The actions of a so called democratic Government that are much like a group of 5 year olds in an infant school playground. “If you won't play with me I will sit in the corner on my own” That'll teach ya. “Oh and I'm taking my bat and ball back too”
Bloody simpletons!!!
one word “LOL”
Mar 19th, 2011 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh sorry thats not even a word is it, though it sums it up perferctly LOL
Remember, Argentina is playing for a bigger prize . . . . control of the Islands means control of thousands of square miles of offshore basin deposits, some of which will contain oil and gas.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's prospects are poor (to say the least), and her tactics are pretty renagade, but it plays well with the public and the wider South American audience.
Present ownership,
world history of island ownership,
colonization/decolonization/self-determination,
the United Nations,
International Law,
the Law of the Sea Convention,
EEZs,
ICJ,
- all of these work *against* Argentina's 'case'.
So we must all endure the illogicalities of a case that she fails to bring to the table.
Ho, hum.
Pleeeeeeeease..... MercoPress!
Mar 19th, 2011 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First you write “OB STUCT” in the article's title........
Then you “correct” it to “OBSTRUT”.........
The word you are searching for is: “OBSTRUCT”
Oscar / Bravo / Sierra / Tango / Romeo / Uniform / Charlie / Tango
“OBSTRUCT”
IN THE
Beef /
Mar 19th, 2011 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will buy somewhat stocks in Frankfurt Bourse from
http://www.transatlanticpetroleum.com/s/Home.asp
Don't try with hopeless Desire Petroleum vainly !
Well she looks pissed of to me.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and again no decent replies from the loyal subjugated members of her inner circle , just rubbish and insults, but then again according the argie bloggers WE are the stupid ones, one wonders how they ever grew up, [oops sorry they haven’t]
but again her self obsessions with being ANTI BRITISH is again ruining her own country, she seems to be willing to sacrifice anything to shoot her self in the foot, and become the laughing stock of the world.
But I will say some good thing here, Argentina was a great country, and can be again, if only they got rid of their self appointed ego grabbing power hungry people like they have now, , leave the Falklands alone to live in peace, and concentrate on there own economy and country, then Argentina can be great once again. [but then again ?]
that’s my opinion anyway,
Yul - I have already banked 50k profit from trading Desire. Your point is what?
Mar 19th, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strange boy!
Beef/ strange investor !
Mar 19th, 2011 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I read true ? you made 50K profit ! how?...when?
if you make ~50K around profit you must buy enough stocks at
(--50%level) May2010 .................and sell them ( +73 %level) November 2010 ,becouse that
Desire's stocks has been lowering (as price -50%) since Nov2010 !
Fairly easy actually yul. I have traded in and out of DES about ten times over the past eighteen months using peaks and troughs and basic technical analysis. I have also hedged by placing short positions in my SB account with a guaranteed stop in case the price rises against my short position. Luckily this didn't happen and I hit my short targets which triggered another equity purchase.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Such an approach can lead to good profits on volatile stocks.
Beef/
Mar 19th, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you traded to start June/2009....up to Jan/2011 = 10 peaks
well done...very successful !
the luck is raw material everytime.
It was almost disappointing to get to 15 comments without finding some rabid anti Falkland stuff from the Argentine side! Its good to see some sense emerging from that country if even La Nacion can see what a stupid bit of legislation this is. As for forcing us to the “negotiating table” - well the idea is laughable. I doubt it will even be noticed in London or Gilbert House - any more that the absence of an Argentine ambassador is!
Mar 19th, 2011 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nice try bill, i will make it 17, they say it is a woman’s prerogative to change her mind, perhaps her people can hope, and we can watch in bewilderment at another fiasco perhaps .
Mar 19th, 2011 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But their loss should be the Falklands gain, should it not .
(16)
Mar 19th, 2011 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank's for noticing :-)))
That ok old boy -young man-
Mar 19th, 2011 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cant do your thingy bits , but 18 hole in one it is then .
The womans got a face like a bag of spanners.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Won't be long before she gets herself a few goats.
Morning all. Falkland Islands bending under the strain of Argentine aggression? Restrictive legislation forcing companies to leave those island shores? The yougster's all gone to foreign climes? The rump that's left actively considering becoming Argentine?
Mar 20th, 2011 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0No!
Magnificent, must have got into one of Think's dreams/nightmares.
All is well then, God/Bhudda is in his heaven and the Falkland Islanders still rule supreme in their islands.
Cuppa time :-)
9 Think,
Mar 20th, 2011 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0haha
Too soon to measure the effects of the bill, UK, don't jump to conclusions. This article does not warrant any comments, though you're clearly rattled by it. ;-)
Clearly? The impression given is that the British people haven't actually noticed! You really are a fool Martian :-)
Mar 20th, 2011 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0When more important events are playing themselves out in other parts of the World, who gives a flying fcuk about an Argentine law imposing trade restrictions on Argentine companies?
Not Maersk I'll wager
Mar 20th, 2011 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0at least we have thr guts to tackle madmen, Argentina, what are you goimg to do? fk all as usual
Mar 20th, 2011 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not worthy of comment, Martha? Well why did you then?
Mar 20th, 2011 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh golly... think corrrected an error in spelling... well done think
What a pair of pencil dicks...
Golly?
Mar 20th, 2011 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well gee whiz f@ck-head, I didn't comment on the article, I commented on your responses to it.
But keep ranting, don't let me interrupt...
come on argentina, what is your contribution? absolutely nothing as usual
Mar 20th, 2011 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marsha... show us one post where anyone sounds even remotely rattled.....
Mar 20th, 2011 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0you have now responded to an article ...that you said wasn't worthy of a response... not once but twice and at neither attempt have you contributed anything. thinko did better.
You really are nothing but a big girl's blouse... typical diego, all piss and wind...
Martin_Fierro (#22)
Mar 20th, 2011 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0This article does not warrant any comments, though you're clearly rattled by it. ;-)
I'm bothered by it, Martin. It unnecessarily ups the ante.
Counter measures will undoubtedly be directed at your big-ship cruise tourism business if it gets out of hand, and that will hurt BA's cash flow a lot.
Still, it IS election season and it's probably a storm in a teacup.
Good point Geoff, maybe FIG should say that no cruise ships are allowed to call at FI that have been to BA in the last 6 month...
Mar 20th, 2011 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the cruise operators favour Montevideo anyway... and how many ships called at Stanley this last season... 5 or 6 a week....? I thought CFK had put a stop to the FI cruise trade... didn't she issue an edict or pass a law or rattle a sabre or something? Silly cow...silly cuntry
@29
Mar 20th, 2011 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll not get a response, one minute they accuse us have having a country on its last legs, and not being worthy of a permanent seat and veto on the security council, the next we're spending millions on operations in Libya with our friends and allies on behalf of the UN.
Argentina talks big and does very little.
with the royal legionary busy in Libya this would be the perfect timing to swim over to Malvinas Argentina and ckick the illegal aliens back to UK, and when USA want to talk resources we can ask them to fix the illegal alien problem in Malvinas first.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I #34 - We may have sent planes, 2 ships and a sub to enforce the libyan No-Fly Zone, but non of the military assets based in the falkland islands are effected by the libyan conflict. Plus you will need more than 2 hours of ammunition to take on 4 typhoons, a Type 42 Destoryer, a nuclear sub and Army Personnel and soldiers based in the falklands. Chances are your invasion force will be sunk by the typhoons, destroyer and sub as soon as it enters falkland waters. And any airbourne invasion would be shot down within minutes of entering falklands waters. We also have military assets on the ascension islands that can reinforce the falklands with planes and military assets within hours.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for “perfect timing to swim over to Malvinas Argentina” - Well given your current military situation or lack of functioning military assets and resources, I suspect you would indeed need to swim in order to get there. As for your navy - well they hid in port the last time so i doubt they will dare to come out of port this time either since we have a sub lurking in the depths of the ocean.
Quiet right, besides we still have over 100 planes.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0frigates and the type 45 destroyers, submarines , unmanned drones
we have enough to deal with the present conflicts and still have time for a little side show like Argentina [Interested]
oh sorry I forgot , you talk the talk- but cant fight the fight ?
An invasion whilst the rightful owner is away on other business? Sounds like you're planning a burglary. Surely not even Argentina would stoop to such cowardly, sneaky, slyness....... again?
Mar 20th, 2011 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Finally! Something worthy of comment, thank you Teaboy all that ranting was boring me to death.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 'mighty Falkland's defense', nothing mighty about it, and we all know the true state of Argentina's defense is unknown, no one truly believes that “2-hours of ammunition” bullshit.
The UK uses the warmongering routine to portray Argentina as the same 'evil junta dictatorship' it was thirty years ago, hoping Argentina will play into it by making equally grandiose threats, that way any legitimate rights we may have can be distorted into nothing more than a “military threat” without any legal value.
The 'dictatorship' image faded many years ago, the Brits still think they're being terribly clever.
First, Argentina resorts only to diplomacy and legal economic sanctions, and just in case that isn't enough we tell the whole world we couldn't possibly retake Malvinas through military force.
The Brits love the “2-hours of ammunition” routine, it's not really true but then again NOTHING they believe is true so what difference does it make? It helps them sleep at night, right? Good enough.
Well, I don't give a shit... haha, and I'm not a government official so I can say whatever I want. This is a very interesting article, not exactly NEWS but a bit more truthful and insightful than usual. Enjoy! ;-)
“Falkland Islands Invade South America.”
http://grandlogistics.blogspot.com/2010/06/falklands-fighters-invade-south-america.html
Do we really belive what we read, I read that the Argentinian armed forces, 1.3 million men, 200 ships and over 500 planes will invade the falklands islands, after the british have been drugged and fast asleep.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this will happen on the morning of APRIL 1ST 2011,
but then we also dont belive what we read, everybody knows argentina has only 199 ships ??? just a joke, cheer up
Martin #38
Mar 20th, 2011 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The 'mighty Falkland's defense', nothing mighty about it, and we all know the true state of Argentina's defense is unknown, no one truly believes that “2-hours of ammunition” bullshit.” - well lets see what your opinion is of the falklands defence, when you get your arses kicked yet again.
As for your 3rd paragraph - The UK Government has do no such warmongering in regards to Argentina and the Falklands. I would hardly call sarcastic based comments of opinion on websites like this by us brits as warmongering but more of “RUBBING IT IN YOUR FACE”. I think you find the UK Government has only spoken to reassure that islands that the UK will maintain its current levels in defence assets and the current cuts in military spending will not effect the falklands defence. Now i see nothing aggressive in maintaining levels of defense in our sovereign lands.
As for Paragraph 4 and 5 - No, just sarcastic and taking the micky out of your government and Kirchner and her policies, as they clearly do stupid things that feeds our british sense of sarcastic humour. All though she did try to control the media, in my opinion, which is something a dictator does, and she is passing laws that punish companies and people that operate in the falklands, something a jealous dictator would do. Economic aggression is effectively an act of war, where the collateral damage is almost always indiscriminate. So it is argentina that has effectively already declared war on the UK and the Falklands with its acts of economic aggression. The UK would be within its rights to counter attack with military assets as a result. So who you calling the warmonger when its your country that is employing acts of war such as economic aggression in breach of international laws and UN resolutions.
As for the rest, well what a load of Tosh and no i did not read the blog as i do not see how one persons blog would have any relevance or has not been counter argued especially when it has a hypothetical title
Sorry did somebody say that Argentina had passed some sort of legislation banning their own companies from exploitation their own natural resources?
Mar 20th, 2011 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must not have noticed this world turning event LOL :)
Whats Martin raving on about now like a demented goose with a fire cracker up its arse?
Loved his link by the way, did anyone else notice the flaw? if its bad weather and the Typhoons can't take off, logic suggests that the Argentines wouldn't be able to the same either....oh wait they can't even currently get out the hangar without bits falling off them :)
But I do agree with Martin on one thing, the 2 hour claim is indeed bullshit.....As we very well know, the Argentine army cannot fight for two hours :)
Obama and Clinton want the UK to “return” the Falklands despite the fact that Argentina has never owned them , ever.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Despite this I know most British people will never be anti American, just anti some American policy such as the Iraq war, but, remember a lot of Americans were also against the Iraq war. It may be worth asking Senator Clinton why she seems to believe the Argentine government ?, which has an historical record of writing their own history and killing their own people .
Source(s):
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/site/legco/u…
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Briton,
Mar 21st, 2011 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I fear you are showing 'over-enthusiastic' attitudes to USA presidents.
I have no evidence for your assertion @#42 (first para.), and your source reference does not support your statement.
Apologies if I have missed something,
Geoff.
40 Teaboy2,
Mar 21st, 2011 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“As for your 3rd paragraph - The UK Government has do no such warmongering in regards to Argentina and the Falklands.”
“BROWN: WE'LL DEFEND THE FALKLANDS”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2858607/Brown-Well-defend-the-Falklands.html
From what asshole? Economic sanctions? We're not attacking the “Falklands” militarily so shut the hell up.
41 Rhaurie-Craughwell ,
“As we very well know, the Argentine army cannot fight for two hours”
You can't fight at all, hence the US, Chile, the Gurkhas... what's the matter pussies? Can't you hack it without help? ;-)
@44 “BROWN: WE'LL DEFEND THE FALKLANDS”
Mar 21st, 2011 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0-----
From what asshole?”
From assholes like you, you arsehole....
Shut up Francisco.. tortilla-boy, nothing to do with you.
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Mar 21st, 2011 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We're not attacking the “Falklands” militarily so shut the hell up”
Mar 21st, 2011 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0-But your attacking them socially and apparently (but not very well) economically, every time an Argentina utters garbage about how the beautiful Malvinas are your sovereign territory and that the only people to have lived there on a permanent basis for the last 180 years can go to hell...is an attack, the whole point of the military garrison is to tell Argentina at least subtly, that we are here, this is our land, these are our people and we are not leaving them.
You would have thought that after sovereignty of 180 years, losing a major war, a quite sizeable garrison and a majority of the native population opposing any kind of Argentine sovereignty...that you may have got the point....Oh well no harm done except Argentina's ego :)
“You can't fight at all” hence the US, Chile, the Gurkhas”
Hmm I don't seem to recall any US or Chilean Troops aircraft, ships etc etc on the ground in 1982? Haha, you forgot to mention the RAF, RFAA, RN, Marinesd, Paras, Scots and Welsh Gaurds, SAS, SBS, Blues and Royals, Logic Corps, Royal Artillery, Intell Corps, Fleet Auxillary, Army Air Corps
As for the Gurkha, you did know they have been an integral part of the British army for 300 years? 1 battalion fought a brief skirmish on Mt William, just the sight of them was enough for the Argie defenders, the regiment has never quite forgiven Argentina for dishonouring itself as an enemy and run away before they even got to use their Khukris, and that all took 40 mins, so looks like my two hour claim was right :)
Is it me or do all Argentines just have a need to use the US and Chile excuse to try and justify losing a war on their doorstep over the scared island Malvinas? It must be the only way to equate the massive disparity in air power and ground troops and supply chain distance that you had....and still lost lol :) I think your the ones who need help..... eer Pussies ;)
http://www.lse.co.uk/FinanceNews.asp?ArticleCode=v1a96y3vfkpkqvk&ArticleHeadline=STOCKS_NEWS_UKRockhopper_soars_says_Falklands_find_viable
Mar 21st, 2011 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm ... that must be annoying !
;-)
“about how the beautiful Malvinas” Actually I think they're quite ugly, I wouldn't live there if you payed me to.
Mar 21st, 2011 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Hmm I don't seem to recall any US or Chilean Troops aircraft, ships etc etc”
I met a man once in the US, he started talking about his service in the Navy, he said he was deployed in the Malvinas war, 1982. I asked him what his job was, he didn't know where I was from yet. He said, that his job was to dive under the Argentine ships and attach bombs to their hulls. At that point I told him where I was from, he shut up, stared at me for an instant and walked away.
Now, that isn't really what interest me. What interests me is how he got to where our ships were deployed. A UK sub? Wouldn't the crew of this sub be able to send out its own divers? What would a US Navy diver be doing on a UK sub?
The answer is NOTHING, there had to be a US sub there somewhere. I don't think the reason why our Naval fleet withdrew from the confrontation was the UK, there were simply too many subs in the area, and sure as hell not just from the UK.
Regarding Chile, we all know their assistance was not actual equipment, it was air bases, fuel, possibly food, medicine, etc. I recall one interview I saw, in Spanish so I can't give you a link. A general talked about a mission in which two RAF cargo planes were deployed to Chile, they had instructions to paint the words “FUERZA AEREA DE CHILE” on their side, but the Brits wrote “AREA” instead of “AEREA”. Luckily for them Argentina never saw them.
You can lecture me all you want, nothing you can say will change the fact that on your own, you would have never won the war, no way.
Yep, will be for some of the a-holes on this forum but not for the FI or those invested. It is a very good day and another step in the right direction. A load more holes to drill and fully funded for further appraisal and exploration.
Mar 21st, 2011 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The sun is out as well!
Martian, you surely do live in a fantasy world ... flying pigs, pink sky, the lot :-)
Mar 21st, 2011 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Believe what you want ....... you were whipped boy !! :-)
I met a man once in BA.. he was telling me about a rent boy he once knew called Martina Feirra....he said Martina was a dud root...
Mar 21st, 2011 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0A number of people on this site come from the Falkland Islands... a few come from Fantasy Island...
I met a man once...his name was Sam Moody and his company Rockhopper Exploration will be responsible for making the Islanders the richest people in the world.
Mar 21st, 2011 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GeoffWard, sorry about that, try this,
Mar 21st, 2011 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0references
Source(s):
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/site/legco/u…
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/site/legco/u…
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/site/legco/u…
(50) Martin_Fierro - You can lecture me all you want, nothing you can say will change the fact that on your own, you would have never won the war, no way
Mar 21st, 2011 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How desperately sad, Mr. Fierro; but it amuses me that the playground bully that is Argentina would have to make up fantasies and cry that she was ganged up upon by the UK, US and Chile to explain an overwhelming defeat. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised - bullies are nearly always cowards and liars.
Also, you seem to have conveniently forgotten the fact that many your troops were neglected and abused by their own officers and less than enthusiastic about fighting for “your” precious islands. Oh, and add to that they were up against one of the best trained military forces in the world, of which we are rightly proud. No, no, I don't think that any ganging up was required.
Grow up and leave the Falklands alone. Tend to your own people and their problems instead of wasting your rabid energy creating ridiculous laws that do nothing more than show the world that your country is nothing like the mature democracy it claims to be.
what else is new UK is always supporting looter illegal aliens terrorits ilegal convatants and murderers, europids is a evil group of people this are the same people who created lazyness and slavery, drugs and weapons.
Mar 21st, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.And as soon as he finishes with a justified reply, you get another argie blogger that pops up and does the same bloody thing,
Mar 21st, 2011 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thereby proving that FIMum was not only correct, but right , you guys never cease in this childish behaviour, and wonder why no one respects you anymore, you embarrass your own country
“The answer is NOTHING, there had to be a US sub there somewhere. I don't think the reason why our Naval fleet withdrew from the confrontation was the UK, there were simply too many subs in the area, and sure as hell not just from the UK.”
Mar 21st, 2011 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, the threat of British subs who had already sunk one of your ships wasnt the reasoning behind the withdrawal of your naval forces, it MUST have been the glorious imaginary American suicide divers that blew up no ships and no-one knew about because they don't exist.
Blame whoever you want for loosing, you lost a fair fight and badly from an opponent whom the rest of the world said it would be logistically impossible for them to win.
GeoffWard , does this help in your search.
Mar 21st, 2011 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thanks
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/site/legco/un-speech-2008-robertson.pdf
I'm sure Mercopress indicated English should be used in here, but whether that extends to the unintelligible nonsense that is I(diots) Pigeon English is open to question.
Mar 21st, 2011 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Martin_Fierro.
Mar 21st, 2011 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What fantasy land do you hail from, oh thats right Argentina. I met a man, who are you kidding, answer only yourself. We beat you fair and square, no fantasy Americans planting explosives on your ships. We did not need the help of our friends across the pond to be there for the kill, just a bit of information that was gladly given.
Chile was another matter Chile did help us, well you do have a tendency to upset your neighbours don't you, if you were on better terms with her she would have kicked us into touch. But then your country was never the brightest light bulb in the chandelier where you.
Anyway you are an ungrateful nation, if it was not for us British coming all the way down to the Falklands to kick your backsides, and send you all packing back to your country you would be still be ruled by the military and still have a dictator telling you what to do, oops my mistake you still have a dictator don't you, you just think you have a democracy in the form of Miss droopy draws. Still never mind one day hey.
Wireless (@ #64),
Mar 21st, 2011 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'I' 's pigeons rarely come home to roost (#57). His postings are not pidgin - they are just poor grammar and worse spelling. (Wiki: A pidgin language is a simplified language that develops as a means of communication between two or more groups that do not have a language in common). Hard to tell if he is poorly educated or slap-dash, though I suspect the latter.
“you would be still be ruled by the military”
Mar 21st, 2011 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The same idiotic response, over and over. Had the UK been able to make a deal with the Junta, they wouldn't have cared one bit about Argentina. They weren't there to save Argentina, they were there to steal from it.
And Geoff, your childish language is very easy to learn, try learning Spanish if you think you're so clever.
Martin_Fierro
Mar 21st, 2011 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you do the same on here as you have just done on the other blogg with me, insults and more insults, is this as far as you intelligence takes you.
a bully and a coward, where you go you dog Fido follows and the insults spring from your mouth like germs,
in the uk, we have just the thing for germs, DOMESTOS
go home and leave us in peace ..
Glad you like English language, 'Martin'.
Mar 22nd, 2011 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spanish is OK, but Portuguese gets you much further where I live.
I can recommend the Rosetta Stone language learning programme if you would like to learn Brasilian Portuguese.. . . . try it, it promises to be the lingua franca of South America. ;-)
Geoff.
50 Thanks Marty, you have a great imagination when you let it off the leash. Gave me a really good laugh. But next time you meet a man, let him tell you the full story before you let him know where you're from. That story could have got even wilder and much more entertaining.
Mar 22nd, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Give up Martino, while you are still walking. You are an idiot boy. As our Aussie friends say, you and your mate “I” are dropkicks & you are both oxygen thieves. Your country has never owned the Falklands & never will. btw l think that your imaginary frogman was a South African. He swam all the way from Capetown to Argentina(underwater, l might add)to plant mines on your ships. Did a top job, didn't he/she?
Mar 22nd, 2011 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0wow this might mean we can fine all UK, usa amd all EU for dealing with the illegal aliens in Islas Malvinas Argentina, we shoud always fine this people for all the theft and distruction they commit in Argentina.
Mar 22nd, 2011 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I(gnored)
Mar 22nd, 2011 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell us who stole your piggy bank
Mar 22nd, 2011 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and picture of this mass destruction of Argentina
and we will make an official complaint.
is it possible to identify them,/did they leave any clues. thank you
69 Of course you can Al(I)ce, you can do whatever you want in Wonderland. Back to reality though, you might find collecting rather more problematic.
Mar 23rd, 2011 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only way Argentina could 'fine' anyone in the Falkland Islands is to take its case to Court, but which one though eh?
Mar 23rd, 2011 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I(diot), to help your limited thought processes, the name of the Court begins with I and ends with J, but maybe we're all expecting too much, since you're so poor and corrupted over there; if you dropped a penny it would stolen by your neighbour before it hit the ground.
You will be mightily displeased to know, I did not die as a result of choking on my lunch with laughter when I saw what you wrote :)
Mar 24th, 2011 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I’m not an expert in naval warfare, but the gaping flaws in logic and fact were so vast a pod of blue whales could swim through line abreast, and still find room XD.
It obviously over flew your clearly empty head:
- that no ARA vessels were lost to limpet mines.
- why American divers would sink ships from ships which…eeerm are designed to sink ships?
- or perhaps why the ARA withdraw to port and stay stationary, where they would be more vulnerable to limpet mines, rather than steaming at 20 knots in one of the most violent seas known to man! (unless the US had a top secret programme of genetically altered super divers complete with biomechanical propellers XD)
Which leads us to the Logical conclusion, If the Royal Navy could sink the Belgrano with impunity, it is logical to assume that the remaining 15 major surface ships of the Argentine, could also be sunk with Impunity, it didn’t much help either that Argentina had zero experience in anti-submarine warfare:)
As for you other wee tale, where do you suppose these Hercules where going to land when they had stocked up on Chilean supplies for the British forces? HMS invincible, Occupied Port Stanley or Pebble Island airfield XD, didn’t take long to spot the flaw there!
The reality however remains Martin, Argentina wholly underestimated who they were having a pissing contest with, an entire strategy based on a belief that the UK would do nothing, was a recipe for disaster.
As for your stories, please do explain how imaginary Hercules and super human American divers affected the disastrous inability of Argentina to win a single land or air engagement? Answer even if they were true, it still wouldn’t have affected the outcome, provide me with evidence of legions of Chilean and US troops and aircraft aiding us, and I might call it even XD
Oh dear me, please stop taking the mick out of the poor deluded sole.
Mar 24th, 2011 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Best laugh I've had in ages though.
64 -
Mar 24th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“your childish language is very easy to learn, try learning Spanish if you think you're so clever.”
English is my native language, but I think it'd actually be easier to learn Spanish than English, it's has more logic to it in terms of structure, and less inconsistencies. The verb tenses are more difficult in Spanish though.
I think this would be true for the romance languages in general (although, admittedly I haven't tried Romanian, French or the lesser spoken ones, and my Portuguese is passable at best).
I think it's just because of wider exposure that people are more likely to have some grasp of English than Spanish
I think we'd all have to agree Frase;
Mar 24th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_language
74 Rhaurie-Craughwell,
Mar 25th, 2011 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You got a little bit ahead of yourself, I never said what these Hecules were used for. These Hercules were transporting radar equipment from a French base (thanks France), they flew west and south over the pacific, and had fake Chilean identification but were actually British.
See time index 2:08 of this video account, in which General Fernando Matthei, Commander of the Chilean Air Force, describes in detail exactly what I'm telling you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCtYn9gYwgA&feature=related
It's in Spanish, sorry. ;-)
“The reality however remains Martin, Argentina wholly underestimated who they were having a pissing contest with”
No my childish little fake 'expert', the reality is that the UK had help from Chile, the US, France, the Gurkhas you hired and god knows who else. You can't hide it so stop pretending.
@78 Martin, yes and the Chinese laundrymen on the British fleet were actually Special Forces on loan from the Chinese Army.
Mar 25th, 2011 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're just ignorant, everyone knows the UK hired the Gurkhas to fight in Malvinas.
Mar 25th, 2011 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is the commander of the Chilean Air Force speaking, just wait until he says “AREA” really clear, he's talking about the spelling mistake the Brits made, they were supposed to write “AEREA” on the side of the planes. (Not enough brain power I guess)
By the way, I forgot to mention. The radar was to be used by the UK in Chile, to monitor air traffic from Argentina. Apparently US satellite information wasn't enough to counter the Argentine Air Force attacks.
What France did, in actuality, was provide the UK with possible countermeasures in regards to Exocet attacks, obviously didn't help much. ;-)
Martin_Fierro, why don't you try doing a little bit of research before you start saying things like the UK hired the Gurkhas to fight in the Falklands? If you had done that little bit of research, you'd have found out that the Gurkhas were first recruited to fight for the British in the early 19th century - at least 20 years before the British reasserted their sovereignty over the Falklands in 1833. The British would have had to have had access to a pretty powerful crystal ball in 1800 to make your words be true!
Mar 25th, 2011 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The US satellite information is a myth. The US refused to retask their satellites from observations over the Soviet Union and their orbital parameters were incompatible.
Mar 25th, 2011 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina got help from Libya didn't it, like MANPADS?
Argentina got help from Peru didn't it?
Martin - your the idiot, as everyone knows the gurkhas were not hired just to fight in the falklands, as they were not hired at all. They are and have been a military regiment (in fact, thiers quite a few gurhka regiments in the military) for well nearly two hundred years. So they are fully trained british military personnel. Not hired mercenaries, that you like to think.
Mar 25th, 2011 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know, you have proven on your own that people should take anything you say as nothing but speculative fantasy, after all your the one that claimed we used US Frogmen from our Sub's whoms job it was to stick explosives to the bottom of your navy ships, in the middle of the dam ocean. Which would have been impossible since the ship would have been moving and not idle. Yet none where blown up by that method.
As for the video, your having a laugh. Chile wanted to help us as they knew they would have been argentinas next target. Ever heard the saying “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Well you were chiles enemy, we were your enemy so that made us chiles friends. And besides, the chilian involvement did nothing to change the outcome of the war. You got your arses kicked big time, just accept it or you'll end up getting an even bigger arse kicking in round two, and am sure we/britain will not stop at just defending the islands this time round, instead we will likely invade and/or destroy argentina and its infastructure, putting it back 100 years or more in order to put an end to any future possible aggression.
Nobody believed Britain could retake those islands in 1982. The Ex-spurts were all predicting defeat.
Mar 25th, 2011 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that our soldiers, airmen and sailors prevailed is down to the incredible bravery of those same soldiers, airmen and sailors.
To try and denigrate their achievement is a bit silly really.
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Mar 25th, 2011 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 084 says:
“Nobody believed Britain could retake those islands in 1982. The Ex-spurts were all predicting defeat”
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Chuckle chuckle.....
Maybe you Bruts should hire some Argie “Ex-spurts”:
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/01/13/second-de-mining-phase-for-falklands
”121 Think Jan 18th, 2011
In 82, I was one of the few down here that warned anybody that wanted to hear, that the Brits would come down with all what they had and kick our military right on their teeth.
Nobody wanted to hear……….. that opinion cost me dearly at the time.”
Many Ex- spurts developed remarkable 20 20 hindsight vision, after those immortal words “White flags flying over Stanley”.
Mar 25th, 2011 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I think you will find that the harriers were not only new, but had never seen combat, the same for most of the ships, and for the fact that it was over 8,000 miles away, and no RAF bases near,, by military calculations we should not have done what we did, and succeed
Mar 25th, 2011 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but we did both, and certain counties sat up and watched in amazement, over the centuries the British have often surprised and succeeded where others have failed,
but then this is,, a British thing, is it not .
This legislation is another indication of the sad state of political affairs in Argentina. Just as the military resorted to the war in the Falklands to shore up its popularity, this government too can only rely on the mentioning of the Falklands to rally popular support. The economy is faltering. Everyone knows that official government statistics are a fabrication. Unofficial observers believe that the annual rate of inflation in the country is in the range of 30% causing a magnification of the level of poverty throughout the population. No one believes that the country is in on the right track or that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Sadly, the political environment offers no promising or competing alternative. There is nothing wrong with the expression of patriotism, but in this instance raising the issue of the Falkands is just a diversion from the really important challenges facing Argentina.
Mar 25th, 2011 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't give a shit when you first hired the Gurkhas or the rest of your dirty history with them.
Mar 25th, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 082 JustinKuntz,
I don't know about Libya, enlighten me.
Yes, Peru loaned us some fighter jets, they also tried to purchase Exocet missiles for us since France decided they were gonna be on your side.
And actually, I do research before I post. If any of you here speak Spanish you will understand what the man in the video is saying, you like to knock youtube for some unfathomable reason. Proof is proof, deal with it.
“If any of you here speak Spanish you will understand what the man in the video is saying, you like to knock youtube for some unfathomable reason. Proof is proof, deal with it”.
Mar 25th, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah really prove is it when you consider youtube is the king of user created, edited and digitally alter video and sound. And you wonder why we prefer officially documented evidence. For all you know that guy could be getting paid to say what they ask him to say. Ever heard of PROPAGANDA??
Interesting read of the love hate relationship between the chilians and argies in the comments section of the video though lol. Nice to know the chilians are friends of the UK and the falklands islands whom they see as their nighbours more than they do argentina.
But anyway - Justin in post #82 was not even referring to the video, he was referring to your accusation of the us providing satalite imaging (your post #80) when they did not. I guess you forgot that it was yourself that referred to US satalites being used.
You don't know about Libya's role in the Falklands War?
Mar 25th, 2011 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well that corrupt Middle Eastern dictatorship you bang on so much about gave a shed load of arms to Argentina.
I really don't care for your racist presumptions about the Gurkhas, all I can say is try saying that to their faces. The results would be amusing to the rest of us.
Martin_Fierro is an angry little man, who cannot “come to terms” with the fact that Argentina got a well-deserved walloping when it tried to steal OUR lslands.
Mar 25th, 2011 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 090 Teaboy2,
Mar 26th, 2011 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see, the video itself is irrelevant but the comments are not. As for the satellite info, believe what you wish it's not like I came with a “theory” all by myself, it's common knowledge.
91 JustinKuntz,
What the hell do you mean by “that corrupt Middle Eastern dictatorship you bang on so much”? I don't support Gaddafi so stop fabricating, or rather diverting attention.
92 lsolde,
You sound like an angry little Kelper yourself, who cannot admit that his whole pathetic life is only about one thing: worrying about whether or not Argentina will one day take over. And we both know we will.
As for Chile, I'm not angry with them either. They did what anybody in their situation would've done, what Argentina would've done. Both countries need to get over it and look at who were making the decisions, it wasn't the people.
@93Martino, no you won't. And l'm not worried about it.
Mar 26th, 2011 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Martin @93 - “I see, the video itself is irrelevant but the comments are not. As for the satellite info, believe what you wish it's not like I came with a “theory” all by myself, it's common knowledge.”
Mar 26th, 2011 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read my post #90 again, as it was in response to your claim in post #89 “you like to knock youtube for some unfathomable reason. Proof is proof, deal with it.” - So i was simply answering you as to why we do not take youtube clips as serious evidence. As they are no better than the use of wiki, which is also user generated and edited material and known for being edited in order to back up one side over the others regardless of what the factual and accurate history is. So to me, the video is for all i/we know an inaccurate account where the man speaking is only saying what he is being paid to say, there is no evidence to even back up the claim of his identity. So for all you/we know, he might not be who he claims to be and simply an actor being paid to act, hence my reference to propoganda.
The comments though i find interesting, simply because you argentines like to say they (the chilians) are your friends, when according to the comments on the youtube site for the video, its clear the chilians do not see you as their friends. So no, i was not saying the comments were relevant to what you were claiming, only that i found them interesting regardless of their relevance.
As for the satalite claim, well wheres your proof that it is common knowledge? You do know such common knowlegde is as equally likely to be based on rumours and lies as it is truth and facts. So just because it's common knowledge in argentina doesnt mean it actually happened, so again your common knowledge is more likely the result of PROPOGANDA based on misinformation. The only satalite usage of a US satalite was when the Royal Navy leased Bandwidth f a US Defense Satellite Communications System for worldwide communications (DSCS II), which for the record do not take satalie images.
The Falklands Islands will only be prised from our dead cold fingers.
Mar 26th, 2011 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 096 Be serious,
Mar 26th, 2011 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So be it, turnip.
95 Teaboy2,
Shut up, nothing wrong with youtube, there was no “voice-over” in the video I posted, you just can't admit I was right and you were wrong. As if Mercopress was such a reputable source, half the crap in here is so exaggerated and distorted you'd have better luck at finding accurate information at the cheapest gossip magazine.
@martin - Reference your post#3 here - http://en.mercopress.com/2011/03/26/hms-gloucester-returns-to-portsmouth-from-falklands-on-her-final-homecoming#comment41434
Mar 26th, 2011 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please enlight us as to where in my post on this page you believe i said i was an american? As according to my post's #90 and #95, i do not in anyway call myself an american. Perhaps you need reading glasses Martin, or maybe you were readin my posts through your false eye that feeds you with all your misinformation that you claim is true and factual.
97 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yawn.
Mar 26th, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@97 Martino,then why do you read it?
Mar 27th, 2011 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Martin is your lack of any logical reasoning skills the result of an unfortunate accident, or a shallow gene pool?
Mar 27th, 2011 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0So why would we be deploy radar assets to Chile, when they also had …eeeer radars?
Wouldn’t it have been easier for us to ask them nicely to provide us Radar Intell?
Of course don't let a good tale get in the way of the fact that the stuff we were looking for (aircraft from airbases) are 100 km to the east……out of radar range….going in the opposite direction….D’oh!
Or even why we would be flying from French Guinea, when we have an airbase in Belize :)
Now here is something that is going to surprise you, I heard the rumours as well, however the Hercules flew out of Belize, at the end of the war to transport 3 Canberra 9’s as a gift to Chile in return for intelligence given during the course of the conflict, which seems far more plausible than Radar pointing in the wrong direction and RAF painters not having a Spanish dictionary.
You really are clueless about the Ghurkas though, the Ghurkas deployed one battalion, and that battalion itself had been present in the British army for 200 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_Gurkha_Rifles
The only “ignorants” who believe the mercenary bullshit are Argentines (surprise surprise!) with sour grapes about losing a war which on paper they should have won.
Its quite sad really that all the points you’ve listed, most are bullshit, and you’ve been unable to tell us how (even if they were true) did it result in Argentina losing.
Did the American super divers lose you the land battles, nope.
Did the two Hercules and airbases in Chile shoot down 45% of your entire fixed wing air-fleet, nope.
The Argentina lost through sheer arrogance and complete underestimation of their enemy’s resolve and ability, your entire military strategy, even up to the point that British troops landed, was based on the delusion that the UK would do nothing.
Martin logic - making the logically implausible, plausible :)
@101, Well put, Rhaurie. hear, hear
Mar 27th, 2011 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would really like more information on the superhuman US ninja bombers, i assure you we all do.
Mar 27th, 2011 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Captain America perhaps, the flash-super yank-batman-
Mar 27th, 2011 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0very intriguing
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