MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands’ skua population has declined by almost half in five years
The number of Falkland Islands skua has declined by almost half in just five years, a survey of the bird's largest breeding ground reveals. It is unclear why the population has crashed on New Island, on the west of the Falkland Islands.
Something appears to be limiting the birds' ability to reproduce, say scientists. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesCue all the RG Bingham fans......
Apr 07th, 2011 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Overfeeshing.....OVERFEEEESHING....MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS” etc etc
Kelpers eat babies, allegedly.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(1) Westi
Apr 07th, 2011 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you say so.....................
It's amazing how a small group of people living at Malvinas can cause so many disasters to the wildlife there. Is the person in charge of wildlife conservation related in anyway to the fishing or oil industry ?
Apr 07th, 2011 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no
Apr 07th, 2011 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its amazing how the Argies by over fishing can cause the decline of the Penguins
Apr 07th, 2011 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WEARY PENGUINS – These penguins have just returned to the rocky beach of Punta Tombo, in Argentina's Patagonia region, after a foraging trip. They fill their bellies with fish and rush back to feed their hungry chicks. Research by University of Washington conservation biologist Dee Boersma concluded that the penguins travel 25 percent farther than they did 10 years ago on similar trips. As a result, more and more chicks are dying of starvation. Boersma said the penguins had difficulty finding food because climate change has forced fish to relocate, and overfishing has depleted the supplies
5 Monty69, Ok then, so what's causing all this disasters around the islands?
Apr 07th, 2011 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If something is not well with them, it may mean that something is not well with the rich Patagonian shelf ecosystem.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9447000/9447159.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
“Pod Of 400 Pilot Whales Grounded In Falklands”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9447000/9447159.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
“In 1982 the Falklands had six million penguins, now there are less than one million”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9447000/9447159.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
@4
Apr 07th, 2011 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Falkland skuas prey on a smaller bird, the thin-billed prion, and its eggs; but so too does another prion predator, the striated caracara, a falcon-like bird of prey.
The caracara's population has grown 15% a year in recent years, producing 2.5 chicks per nest per year, on average. ”
Just in case you missed that bit Bingham....Oops sorry....Marcos I mean.
8 WestisBest , Do you work for the fish or oil industry?
Apr 07th, 2011 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Neither Marcos. The clue's in the name, not many of us country boys go for that big-shot stuff.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway what's your theory about the Skuas Bingham...sorry, there I go again...Marcos. C'mon city boy, give it your best shot, you being such an instant expert on Falkland Island seabirds, fishing & oil industry et al.
Dr Paulo Catry must be part of a secret plan to undermine the impeccable reputation of the Kelper clowns.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shame on you Dr.... shame on you!
: P
7 Marcos Alejandro
Apr 07th, 2011 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A little light reading for you.....
http://www.int-res.com/articles/meps2002/240/m240p273.pdf
''Adequate protection of the penguin populations in the
Falkland Islands as well as along the Argentine coast can
only be achieved by bilateral co-operation in research
and legislation, and it is hoped that the recently improved
political relations between the Falkland Islands
and Argentina (Dodds & Manóvil 2002) will assist in
achieving this aim.''
It would appear that the ball in in your court.
10 WestisBest, but not good roads.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's not my theory Lewis Clifton....Oops sorry....West Is Best I mean, and you and your friends are aware of the causes.
12 Monty69 “only be achieved by bilateral co-operation”
Why? Do you need any help to figure out that penguins die if you destroy their food source?
Just common sense instead of denyal.
Other things kill penguins as well More-crap....have you realised that?
Apr 07th, 2011 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or does your amoebic brain only think Bingham must be the teller of the truth, just because he said nasty things about the Islands?
One man who bought his degree online and wrote his own newspaper articles VS various world bodies and independent researchers XD XD XD XD.
The only people who believe Bingham are nutjob Argentines such as yourself....now what a surprise there eh :)
13 Marcos Alejandro
Apr 07th, 2011 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guess you didn't read the article then:-(
14“The only people who believe Bingham are nutjob Argentines such as yourself”
Apr 07th, 2011 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really?
“I accuse certain members of this administration of the unjust treatment handed out to Mike Bingham. In fact it is against the Haig Convention of Human Rights which this administration has signed up to. I understand the reason Mr Bingham is being treated so is that he had the audacity to question imaginative accountancy by Falklands Conservation regarding penguin numbers. I, like Falklands Conservation, am not an expert on penguins, but what does it take for these people to realise that there is a problem? Emaciated penguins outside the Falklands Conservation office with a begging bowl, squawking up ‘Please can we have some more’? For evil to triumph requires only that good men do nothing.” (Penguin News 20th December 2003) ”
Our mistake. There are nutjobs the world over. Happily now that Mr 'the police planted that porn under my bed, honest' Bingham has departed these shores, you have an extra one in Argentina.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you look up Mad Mike's 'Lester the Penguin chick' letter in the PN? It'll have you weeping into your beer. It certainly had that effect on me.
Monty, About your article, instead of installing a satellite transmitters over the penguins'back install a sensor in his butt to see if any poop comes out, you know if they don't eat they don't...
Apr 07th, 2011 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”Bingham wins in Supreme Court“ and ”Morally and Constitutionally Indefensible“ were the headlines in the local newspaper. Falkland Islands residents were outraged, and demanded the resignation of these officials. The newspaper was full of letters demanding a public apology from government, and an explanation as to how such corruption could have been allowed to occur unhindered at the very highest level of government.”(Penguin News)
Bingham's case was about his work permit. He was denied a permit for five reasons. One of those reasons was judged to be unlawful, and that was that you can't deny a permit to someone because they speak against the government. I completely agree with that. FIG were wrong and stupid. They could have refused him a permit because he lied about his qualifications.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, I'm very glad Bingham went because he was incredibly stupid. He had no political sense whatsoever. He was so in love with his own image that he forgot the fundamentals of conservation work, that you can't achieve anything without co-operation and negotiation.
He did very poor science and he set the cause of conservation back a decade. His irresponsible actions did nothing to help the penguins.
Keep in mind that overfishing and oil explorations is the main cause of the wildlife problems in and around the islands not Mr Bingham. He just connected the starvation of 5 million penguins to commercial fishing that is making the islands elite rich.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keep in mind that overfishing and oil explorations is the main cause of the wildlife problems
Apr 08th, 2011 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argie Physician heal thyself
Argentina decided to approve increased levels of anchovy fishing to provide an alternative to the over-fished hake, catching more than 30,000 tonnes of anchovy last year for the first time in three decades.
Patagonia is the southern-most portion of South America. The western portion is in Chile, and the eastern portion is in Argentina. The waters off the Patagonian coasts are home to lots of anchovies, the little fish that form an important part of the marine food chain.
Oily anchovies provide a high-energy meal for penguins, sea lions, terns , dolphins and cormorants, to name but a few. all of which would suffer if stocks crashed. Anchovies are members of the herring order. After over fishing of hake now the lives of Anchovies are at stake to rise in worldwide demand.
Read more: http://www.ecotourismblog.com/entry/over-fishing-of-anchovies-threat-to-magellanic-penguins-and-guano-bird-populations/#ixzz1IuKbHMG6
And the Falklands have in recent years been cutting back on the allowed amount of tonnage per year that is to be landed. The argentines on the other hand, have seen tonnage increase in recent years. Seems argentina is killing off its own population of penguins as a result http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/magellanic-penguins534.html#cr
Apr 08th, 2011 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I notice that more crap is copying and pasting from BINGHAMS OWN WEBSITE hahaahah LOL XD nice one more crap!
Apr 08th, 2011 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0As I said more crap, Bingham has written his own newspaper articles for his own website, quite sad really....and quite sad that nutjobs like you believe him...nay you NEED to believe his garbage.
Anybody seen Binghams “PHD” on his webpage? hahahaha its a fucking joke! And whats even funnier idiots like Morecrap fall for it because they need to :)
No Raughie i haven't seen his PHD, but am up for a laugh so please post a link to his so called phd.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Obiously the three clowns above leave 8000 miles away from Malvinas.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklands.net/GovernorLetter.shtml
Chuckle Chuckle
Apr 08th, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British Broadcasting Corporation writes an article of an ongoing ecological calamity happening in Malvinas as we speak and the Brutons in here react by…………………
1) Slandering the first man who blew the whistle on the problems some 20 years ago.
2) Commenting instead about the Argentinean situation, effectively placing themselves at the same ecological low level of that “Terrible Backward Diago Country” they so much despise….
Brainwashed Turnipidity anybody?...........
Ooooh, slander, that's a pretty serious allegation. No, I didn't say anything, did you?
Apr 08th, 2011 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I rushed to the BBC because I thought you must be talking about a different article. But no......it still says 'The number of Skuas in one colony has declined and no-one knows why'' (to paraphrase).
It also says the other seabirds are all doing well. Are those the ones that don't eat fish? Oh, hold on, the skuas don't exclusively eat fish either.
It's no wonder you love mad Mike so much. Your understanding of science is every bit as good as his. In fact I suggest you hasten to Hicksville Alabama and purchase thyself a doctorate.
“ ongoing ecological calamity ”??
Apr 08th, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Damn! I knew it was a mistake to protect the caracaras, Maybe we should shoot all those pesky johnny rooks for out-competing the skuas eh?
Grow up think.
Could you point to the slanderous post please, I can't see one. I do see a couple of people observing how Argentines love to quote Bingham whilst conveniently glossing over issues like his qualifications or the comments in his famous victory.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I seem to remember some dickhead who tried to claim I was wrong about Bingham's pregnant Argentine girlfriend. Now who was that I wonder?
Brainwashed, like your compatriots who can't read past the bits they think slag off the Falkland Islanders to draw the full lesson from the article?
I would imagine its deeply unpleasant being you, with your head up your own ass.
(27) Monty69
Apr 08th, 2011 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You state that the BBC article says:
”'The number of Skuas in one colony has declined and no-one knows why'' (to paraphrase). It also says the other seabirds are all doing well.“
The ”BBC” article above clearly states:
”Many Falkland Island seabirds have known important declines over the past decades. We need to learn more about what is driving these changes, and skuas may help us with that” (BBC).-
Are we talking about the same article?
“Falkland skuas are top predators of marine ecosystems. They will take FISH, SQUID, crustaceans, and they are also important predators of other seabirds,” said Dr Catry.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”If something is not well with them, it may mean that something is not well with the rich Patagonian shelf ecosystem.
Hmmm...What could that be?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9447000/9447159.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Well all you Bingham lovers- surprise surprise - this was a scientific article which has been taken and published somewhat out of context by the BBC and others - it happens! The supposed decline was based on results from the 2009-10 breeding season when this guy was there last - that was a season of umpleasant wetaher which may have affected survival- or maybe not - but what is a FACT as described by the landowner himself today 8th April is that this season just ending there has been a very HIGH brreding success with many nests raising 100% of both eggs to mature birds. Also there are reports of increased numbers in resent years in other areas - so maybe they are just moving about as birds do? So sorry Bingham lovers - time to get back into your boxes again and wait for wider overall facts to emerge.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 Islander1, Suuuure.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 029 I just saw JustinKuntz flying with the skuas and can't miss the opportunity to ask him not to release Musa Kusa to get oil deals....ooopss...I meant “compassionate grounds”
“Libyan defector who 'masterminded' Lockerbie is questioned by Scottish police”
(That's reassuring)
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374722/Libyan-defector-Musa-Kusa-masterminded-Lockerbie-questioned-Scottish-police.html#ixzz1Iy0iOYNH
(32) Islander
Apr 08th, 2011 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle
Happy days Folks……
BBC was wrong……
Ornithologists were wrong……
Just some “unpleasant weather”……
Move on Folks….
Nothing to see here….
Birdies are OK………..
“Landowner X” says skuas are just fine……
PS:
Ok; ...... WestisBest…..
You can put that 12 gauge away now…
No excuse to liquidate all those ugly, lamb eating Caracaras…………
they eat penguin eggs & chicks too think, I reckon they've got a lot to answer for....
Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(carries on polishing shotgun)
PS:
Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok; ...... Think…..
You can put that 12 gauge away now…
No excuse to liquidate all those lazy, idle, dirty, ignorant and savage Indigenous People
http://www.iwgia.org/sw17294.asp
Many Argentinians believe there are no indigenous people in their country, either because the majority have died out or are on the verge of doing so, or because “their descendants” were assimilated into Western civilisation long ago and they now live like any other citizen. Generalised stereotypes have forced many indigenous people to defensively hide their identity in order to avoid being subjected to racial discrimination. Even so, the use of pejorative terms likening the Indians/indigenous to lazy, idle, dirty, ignorant and savage are common in everyday language.
30 Think
Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ”BBC” article above clearly states:
”Many Falkland Island seabirds have known important declines over the past decades. We need to learn more about what is driving these changes, and skuas may help us with that
I'm not arguing with this at all. There have been seabird declines and the skuas may help with that.
That's what I would call a measured response to data from on site collected five years apart. It also acknowledges the fact that other bird populations have not declined.
What it manifestly did not say was ''ongoing ecological calamity happening in Malvinas as we speak''. That's 'Bingham speak'. It's emotive, hysterical and biased.
There have been big changes in seabird numbers all over the world. Shouting about 'overfishing' with no evidence to back it up is destructive, and to blame it all on the Malvinas, wherever that might be, just reveals you to be a bigot.
I could just as easily say that all the Rockhoppers die trying to forage along the coast of Argentina in winter. I wouldn't say that because there is no evidence one way or the other. I don't know why the northern rockhopper populations have crashed as well. Neither does anyone else.
If you had any interest at all in conservation, and I'm quite sure you don't, you'd educate yourself and try to do something useful.
How is that PhD application coming along anyway?
(35) WestisBest
Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me guess …………….
You being a modern British sheep farmer are probably polishing an over & under single trigger 12’er.
Possibly American made...
Think- put your foot it it didnt you! The landowner in question is a well known ornitholigist of international reputation and the writer of numerous books and articles! He says that the article was taken out of its scientific context in the way it was reported by the press - he knows a hell of a lot more than you and I do about the subject! There has been no Island wide survey of numbers - who knows if they move about according to feeding areas changing as currents change and their prey populations move about - as they do!
Apr 08th, 2011 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The scientist himself says he made 2 counts in just 2 yeasr - 5 yrs apart - who knows if Yr 1 was agood year for rearing young and year 2 was a crap year! Even my brain can work out that you need to count EACH year for 5 years before you can say it has gone up/down x per year!
TWIMC
Apr 08th, 2011 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A false report from MercoPress about Malvinas wildlife would not be improbable....
After all…….. MercoPress has written hundreds of false reports on everything about Argentina during the last many years.
But ............ this is not one of MercoPress inventions but a BBC article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9447000/9447159.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
!! Excuse me to keep giving more credibility to the British Broadcasting Corporation than to Islander1 and LandownerX !!
You assume too much Think, I'm not so sporting and also a crap shot so I'd favour a pump or a semi-auto.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 You got that right Islander, I also reckon Tony would know better than some visiting big-shot what was going on in New Island rookeries.
....Landowner X indeed.....Do your homework Think.
Stop press bald argie penguins,of course they must of caught something off a Falklands toilet seat
Apr 08th, 2011 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/04/penguins-go-bald-thanks-to-mys.html
(41) Dissapointing choice of weapon............
Apr 08th, 2011 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 040 Think
Apr 08th, 2011 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the research paper.....
''Brief Synopsis :: Over the years, we have conducted a number of studies on the ecology and behaviour of Falkland skuas, a subspecies of skua that is virtually endemic to these islands. We now have interesting information on the migratory habits, diet and demography of this species. Surprisingly, census work carried out in 2004 and 2009 revealed a sharp population decline, the cause of which is so far unknown. One possibility is that the sustained population growth of Striated Caracaras Phalcoboenus australis, (locally known as Johnny Rooks) a known competitor and predator (of chicks and eggs) of skuas, may be giving the skuas a hard time. Alternatively, there could be less prions Pacyptila belcheri available for the skuas to eat, and prions probably are the most important prey item at this site. Studies to investigate these and other possibilities are now under way.''
http://www.falklandswildlife.com/pages/conservation.htm
And 'Landowner X' is the New Island Conservation Trust
A big helping of humble pie for you??
Well, when islanders don't have fish, they eat skuas. That explains it all.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 044 Monty69 “And 'Landowner X' is the New Island Conservation Trust”
Apr 08th, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting link you posted! Now I don't have any doubts!!!
“Who are we?
The New Island Conservation Trust is a non-profit, charitable conservation body. We are an entirely independent organisation, responsible for ensuring the ongoing protection of the wildlife sanctuary of New Island in the Falkland Islands.”
New Island Conservation Trust, Board of Trustees
:: Chairman
Air Vice-Marshal David O. Crwys-Williams CB FCIPD FCIM RAF (Rtd)
:: Trustees
Captain Peter J. Erskine CBE RN VMH
Mr Howard Pearce CVO
Mr Jeffrey Mills TD FRGS
Mr Lewis Clifton OBE :-)))))
Mrs Margaret Butler
Mrs Phyllis M. Rendell JP
Professor J.P. Croxall CBE FRS
http://www.falklandswildlife.com/pages/who.htm
Marcos - and your point is? a pretty reputable list of known conservationists there, but also you and Think forget one point- New Island consists of TWO seperate privatley owned land areas.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think- yes even the mighty BBC gets itself in a puddle at times- all journalists are journalists at the end of the day.
Monty,@4 I ask this question: “Is the person in charge of wildlife conservation related in anyway to the fishing or oil industry ?”
Apr 09th, 2011 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You were very kind to answer: no @ 42.
Is any person in New Island Conservation Trust, Board of Trustees related in anyway to the fishing or oil industry?
47 Islander1 , Again: Suuuuuure.
48 Marcos Alejandro
Apr 09th, 2011 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well of course they are! Phyl Rendell is Director of Mineral Resources and also owns and runs an island tourist lodge taking visitors to see penguins. And your point is what, exactly? Are you saying Lewis Clifton, or anyone else for that matter, could ever use their position as a trustee of a charity to nobble a piece of research by a respected academic for a scholarly publication?
What kind of a twisted ugly place do you live in?
These are proper peer- reviewed pieces of research. Wind your neck in.
Islander; new Island is all owned by the Trust now.
49 Monty69
Apr 09th, 2011 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“What kind of a twisted ugly place do you live in?”
The real world.
New Island Conservation Trust, Board of Trustees
:: Chairman
Air Vice-Marshal David O. Crwys-Williams CB FCIPD FCIM RAF (Rtd)
:: Trustees
Captain Peter J. Erskine CBE RN VMH
Mr Howard Pearce CVO
Mr Jeffrey Mills TD FRGS
Mr Lewis Clifton OBE ( Peek-a-Boo! I See You!)
Mrs Margaret Butler
Mrs Phyllis M. Rendell JP (Peek-a-Boo! I See You!)
Professor J.P. Croxall CBE FRS
Monty 69- thanks for putting me right on that one - it was news to me. Marcos - still dont see where you are coming from? God you must live in a crooked and bent two faced criminal world indeed- it is NOT the Trust that publishes research results like this - the researchers do it. In this case one of the owners and an conservation dept offical have queried it as being not conclusive either way in the format it has been published.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I,d love to hear about the Environmental Impact Surveys and Statements issued by your oil exploration authority and the well drillers soon to start in your waters?
Of eight Trustees; three based in Malvinas Islands and five in the UK .
Apr 09th, 2011 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Two of those three(as far as I know) are linked to the fish and oil industry.
Wildlife conservation and fish and oil exploration are like oil and vinegar. they do not mix. You should hire Tony Hayward next time.
To continue with my thread at Post No. 26
Apr 09th, 2011 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have been told by Islander1, at Post No. 39, that the article was taken out of its scientific context in the way it was reported by the BBC
We have been told by “Westisbest”, at Post No. 41, that Dr. Catry is a ”Visiting big-shot” as he so ”Falklandishly” can put it.
We are told again by Islander1. at Post No. 47, that ”even the mighty BBC gets itself in a puddle at times”.
We have been referred by Monty69 at Post No. 44 to a “Brief synopsis from the New Island Conservation Trust” as “proof” about the fallacy of the above BBC article. (and asked to eat some humble pie :~)
Ermmmmm…..Very interesting composition this so called ”New Island Conservation Trust” board has…..:
Oil industry representatives.
Fishing industry representatives.
1 Ex British Governor
1 Ex Military Base Commander
+ 1 Professor
Chuckle, chuckle,chuckle, chuckle,chuckle, chuckle,chuckle, chuckle and........ chuckle!
EXCUSE ME! ……….But…….I still “Think” that the BBC holds infinitely more credibility that this bunch of “privateers” calling themselves “Conservation Trust”.
Brainwash anybody?
PS:
The BBC article provides links to Dr. Catry’s credentials and his complete study (35€)
PS II:
Monty69………..Are you baking some “Humble Pie” for Mr. M and me this weekend?
Put some sausages in it :~)
Well how are these....what did you call them?...“bunch of “privateers” calling themselves “Conservation Trust”” abusing their position on the trust? The fact that this article exists at all indicates that either they are not doing a very good job of abusing their position or.....could it possibly be?....that they are not trying to?
Apr 09th, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0These are all ambitious people and you know what ambitious people do, they get involved in all sorts of things, business, investments, innumerable committees and....charities, to think that they automatically have an ulterior motive in anything they involve themselves in show a degree of paranoia startling even for you RG's, yeah Lewis Clifton was a naughty boy once but he's not bloody Al Capone.
(54) WestisBest & Co.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is another example of how “smooth” things run in the “Squeaky Clean” and “Perfect” Malvinas society.
The Squidocracy holds you well feed and content.
What more can you ask for…..
By the way………….................................................
Isn’t it strange that “nearly all” of Dr. Carty’s Research papers are available at the aforementioned “Conservation Trust” EXCEPT the one this article is based on?
Isn’t it strange that Dr. Catry chooses to go to the BBC about this specific Research Paper?
What do you “Think”
Hold on a minute....
Apr 09th, 2011 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you said the article proved there was an 'ongoing ecological calamity'......
........the New Island Trustees aren't doing a very good job of abusing their positions to hush up bad news, are they?
Seriously though, you appear to be saying that all these respected scientists get paid by their institutions to come down here and spend entire summers doing fake research and your reason for believing this this is........
......that Lewis Clifton is on the board of trustees???
Get a grip man. The trustees exist because a trust is not an individual and its assets are held in trust. An organisation like this will seek to involve people from industry, government, the military, because those are the people who have the influence and who you actually want to be interested.
Otherwise, all you've got is a bunch of bearded tree huggers in a room all agreeing with each other. Or Mad Mike crying in the wilderness.
Excuse me, but I think the Trust's publication record speaks for itself. The papers are all there on the website.
http://www.falklandswildlife.com/pages/scientificpub.htm
If you'd rather believe everything the BBC tell you, then fill your boots. There wouldn't appear to be anything more to discuss.
(56) Monty69
Apr 09th, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
Excuse me, but I think the Trust's publication record speaks for itself. The papers are all there on the website.
www.falklandswildlife.com/pages/scientificpub.htm
I say:
Excuse me….. The papers are all there on the website…. EXCEPT THE ONE THIS ARTICLE IS ALL ABOUT!!! :
”Low breeding success and sharp population decline at the largest known Falkland skua colony”
http://www.springerlink.com/content/y51776v813542706/
Fact is that 2.500 squatters in Malvinas are licensing the extraction of huge amounts of biomass from the South-Atlantic, a fact that undoubtedly is affecting the whole ecosystem.
Fact is that there are loads of signs about an 'ongoing ecological calamity' in Malvinas and that you have ”wolves guarding the sheep”.
Fact is that you just keep closing your eyes and justify the unjustifiable.
I think if you have to pay to download it, it's probably still under copyright. I know this is probably too mundane an explanation for a dedicated conspiracy theorist like yourself.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does the total catch of the Falklands fishing fleet compare to that of Argentina? I'm sure it was in that article you posted a week or so ago... just remind me...Perhaps the biomass you extract is a different kind? Oh no, just remembered, it's the same only more of it.
Quite a calamityin Argie land too
Apr 09th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Encroached upon by the expanding agricultural frontier and facing the indifference of the state, indigenous communities in the northeastern Argentine province of Chaco have problems of access to water, food and their natural medicines, and are heading towards extinction.
Images of emaciated men and women suffering from hunger and tuberculosis in the district of Villa Río Bermejito are merely the epilogue to a long history of neglect and unaddressed demands for Toba, Wichí and Mocoví Indians in Chaco, one of Argentina’s poorest provinces.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39087
The other reason I don't feel as though I need to listen to a damn word Think has to say about this is that the desctruction of the South Atlantic ecosystem is his stated aim.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The plan appears to be to stifle th Falklands economy so that we rely on fishing and then wait for fish stocks to collapse.
And what happens to your precious penguins and skuas then, Think?
If you cared anything at all for the environment, you would be encourage us to diversify our income stream so we depend less on fishing.
As it is, you are prepared to sacrifice an entire ecosystem on the altar of Argentine nationalistic ambition.
So you can stop lecturing us about caring for the environment right now because you're nothing but a hypocrite. Chuckle away. I don't think it's very funny.
(58) Monty69
Apr 09th, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok….Lets take a rough average of the last 5 years fisheries…. shall we?
Argentina catched ~600.000 tons fish per year in an EEZ zone of ~1.200.000 km2.
That gives a catch of 0,5 tons of fish per km2 per year.
Malvinas catched ~ 200.000 tons fish per year in an EEZ zone of ~140.000 km2.
That gives a catch of 1,42 tons of fish per km2 per year.
In short,……. Malvinas “extracts” nearly 3 times as much fish per km2 than Argentina.
Lets now take the “Per Capita” fish extraction shall we?
200.000 tons of fish divided by 3.000 Malvinense: 66.666 kgs of fish per Malvinense.
600.000 tons of fish divided by 40.000.000 Argentines: 15 kgs of fish per Argentinean.
In short,….. Malvinas “extracts” 4.444 times more fish per capita than Argentina.
And about your post (60)……………..
At least I play with open cards and inform what my personal view is.
Yes, I have personally accepted, not to destroy, but to render uneconomical the fisheries in the South-Atlantic for that ugly greedy imperialist monster from the north that is already destroying the ecology of the area.
Have a nice weekend
El Think
''In short,….. Malvinas “extracts” 4.444 times more fish per capita than Argentina.''
Apr 09th, 2011 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a complete red herring and you know it. Do you think the penguins care about how many people live in the Falklands?
And you might want to check your sums.
I am having a nice weekend. All the better for talking to you.
for that ugly greedy imperialist monster from the north that is already destroying the ecology of the area.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean for Spain.
(62)
Apr 09th, 2011 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I always check my sums, Miss..................
EXCUSE ME! ……….But…….I still “Think” that the BBC holds infinitely more credibility
Apr 09th, 2011 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A Think old boy another credible BBC report on a endangered group
Dying from hunger in food-exporting Argentina
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12973543
Clearly the New Island Conservation Trust, like I said before, is controlled by questionable people for that kind of job, however some islanders run to their defense.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 054 West Is Best said “yeah Lewis Clifton was a naughty boy once but he's not bloody Al Capone”
Are you related to this fine gentleman? If you are, please ask him if he and others approved the publication of the “Atlas of Breeding Birds of the Falkland Islands”
Hows this for ugly greedy think
Apr 09th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This community is an image of the refugee camps you see in places hit by natural disasters. No earthquake or tsunami has hit Lapacho II, but Marcelino says their disaster is deforestation
We used to get our food from the forest and now we have had to adapt to the white man's food, which is not sufficient,” he said.
@64
Apr 09th, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh really?
200,000 tons divided amongst 3000 people is 66.666 kg per person is it?
I make that 66.666 tons per person think, not kgs, being out by a factor of 1000 is pretty poor for someone who always checks their sums.
Still doesn't mean anything though, there are hardly any of us so of course the per capita figure is high.
(68) WestisBest
Apr 09th, 2011 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know the decimal sistem is hard for you Brits but......
Yes....
200,000 tons divided amongst 3000 people gives indeed 66.666 kg per person!
(sixtisixthousand sixhundred sixtisix kgs.
or
Sixtisix tons and sixhundred sixtisix kgs)
In English the point is used to mark decimals, not thousands
Apr 09th, 2011 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Westi………………….
Apr 09th, 2011 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I ”Think” we have the same result, but we are experiencing a cultural ”Decimal Point / Decimal comma” misunderstanding :-)))
Countries using Arabic numerals with decimal point:
Australia, Brunei, Botswana, Canada (English-speaking), Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Hong Kong, India, Ireland, Israel, Japan, Kenya, Korea (both North and South), Lebanon, Malaysia, Malta, Mexico, Nepal, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Pakistan, People's Republic of China, Philippines, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Switzerland (only when the amount is in Swiss francs[12]), Taiwan, Tanzania, Thailand, Uganda, United Kingdom, United States (including insular areas), Zimbabwe.
Countries using Arabic numerals with decimal comma
Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Canada (French-speaking), Costa Rica, Croatia (comma used officially, but both forms are in use elsewhere), Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Estonia, Faroes, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia, Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lebanon, Lithuania, Luxembourg (uses both marks officially), Macau (in Portuguese text), Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Netherlands, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, South Africa (officially[13], but decimal point is commonly used in business), Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Venezuela, Vietnam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark#Digit_grouping
Apr 09th, 2011 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Confused you will be if you don't use a space as a thousands separator
You can argue per person all you like. In reality it's
Apr 09th, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0200.000 tons of fish
vs
600.000 tons of fish
I repeat for the Turnips..............
Apr 09th, 2011 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina catches ~600.000 tons fish per year in an EEZ zone of ~1.200.000 km2.
That gives a catch of 0,5 tons of fish per km2 per year.
Malvinas catches ~200.000 tons fish per year in an EEZ zone of ~140.000 km2.
That gives a catch of 1,42 tons of fish per km2 per year.
In short,……. Malvinas “extracts” nearly 3 times as much fish per km2 than Argentina.
73, nice sweeping statement there but I'm gonna have to agree with 74
Apr 09th, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not to mention the fact that each and every fish caught in Malvinas waters is an act of illegal exploitation.
@71
Apr 09th, 2011 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting stuff Think. With your decimal point system as you call it how are you supposed to know the difference between:
66.666 kgs (sixty six thousand, six hundred and sixty six kilos)
& 66.666 kgs (sixty six point six six six kilos)
I reckon I begin to see how historically Argentina managed to fuck up it's economy on such a grand scale.
(76) Easy (for us)
Apr 09th, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 066.666 kgs (sixty six thousand, six hundred and sixty six kilos)
&
66,666 kgs (sixty six kilos comma six hundred and sixty six grams)
It's not how much you're catching, but what and where.....
Apr 09th, 2011 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7060361.ece
Or perhaps you don't think the Times is as fab as the BBC?
I could find you something about Argentina's disastrous overfishing of juvenile hake as well if you like.
Until you resume co-operation with FIG on the management of fish stocks you have absolutely nothing valid to say on the subject.
I wouldput it this way…………..
Apr 09th, 2011 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Until the UK resumes negotiations with Argentina on the sovereignty of Malvinas, you have absolutely nothing valid to say on the subject.
You can argue per person all you like. In reality it's
Apr 09th, 2011 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0200.000 tons of fish
vs
600.000 tons of fish
That's a different subject.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Until the UK resumes negotiations with Argentina on the sovereignty of Malvinas, you have absolutely nothing valid to say on the subject.”#
Apr 09th, 2011 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then by this logic, clearly none of us have anything valid to say on the subject.
Thank God for that!
Apr 09th, 2011 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we've established that the Argentines are very happy to destroy the environment if it hurts us. They think their territorial ambitions are more important than environmental concerns
They therefore forfeit the right to comment in any way on how the Falklands runs its fishery or how it protects the environment.
Marvellous; it took a while but we got there in the end!
(83) Monty 69
Apr 10th, 2011 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”They therefore forfeit the right to comment in any way on how the Falklands runs its fishery or how it protects the environment.”
I say:
Who took the ham out of your Pizza topping?
What a distraught, outlandish and girlish finale!
You sound pretty much like my Ex-Wife II (the bitchy one)....
We are surely witnessing a severe case of PWS* after the successful Argentinean raid on Mamma Sue’s.
Marvellous; it took a while but we got them in the end! :-)
*(Pizza Withdrawal Syndrome)
Who took the ham out of your Pizza topping?
Apr 10th, 2011 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well if the Argies do it to their own I am not suprised
Dying from hunger in food-exporting Argentina
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12973543
lalalalala......can't hear you Think, you peguin murderer.
Apr 10th, 2011 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0BTW there never was any pizza delivery to West Falkland. I make my own, and I don't put any ham on it.
(86) Monty69
Apr 10th, 2011 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“There never was any Pizza delivery to West Falkland”
I say:
What about: FIGAS ”On Demand Pizza” to Albermarle, Carcass Island, Chartres, Dunnose Head, Fox Bay, Hill Cove, Pebble Island, Port Edgar, Port Howard, Port Stevens, Roy Cove, Saunders Island, Walker Creek and Weddell Island then?
A bit dire……... but you rich West Bahhh-rainis can easily afford it :-)
FIGAS don't fly at night.
Apr 10th, 2011 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did once pick up a bacon and egg roll from the breadshop on my way to the airport for Mr M's breakfast. It stank the plane out and the other passengers were not impressed.
I bet none of your wives ever did that for you.
@77 So that's how you make your currency look like it's not worthless.
Apr 10th, 2011 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0;-)
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Apr 10th, 2011 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sweeeeeeet....................
(And that was M's last piece of Bacon :-)
83 Monty69 (#)
Apr 10th, 2011 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I think we've established that the Argentines are very happy to destroy the environment”
I think we've established that the “Falklands” Islands fishing and oil industries run this small British colony in Argentinean land.
They are in charge of everything including New Island Conservation Trust, Board of Trustees
:: Chairman
Air Vice-Marshal David O. Crwys-Williams CB FCIPD FCIM RAF (Rtd)
:: Trustees
Captain Peter J. Erskine CBE RN VMH
Mr Howard Pearce CVO
Mr Jeffrey Mills TD FRGS
Mr Lewis Clifton OBE :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))(Desire petroleun, Byron Marine)
Mrs Margaret Butler
Mrs Phyllis M. Rendell JP :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (Director of Mineral Resources)
Professor J.P. Croxall CBE FRS
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article5659182.ece
@91
Apr 10th, 2011 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Mrs Phyllis M. Rendell JP :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (Director of Mineral Resources)”
No she's not.
(gives Marcos the finger)
:-P
As the Falkland Islands are not the concern of Argentina, never were, and never will be, who cares what any of you think about anything related to the Islands?
Apr 10th, 2011 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll never set foot there unless you show your passport, have accommodation booked, and a return ticket in your pocket.
With you all being so poor you're very unlikely to turn up anyway, but you can dream...
91 Marcos Alejandro
Apr 10th, 2011 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos, I don't have to listen to anything you have to say either. Haven't you been paying attention to Think?
You lobby your government to stop trying to ruin the marine ecosystem just to spite us and we might then have something to talk about.
Until then, and even then, it's none of your business who is on the trustees of New Island or anywhere else.
And West is right. Phyl Rendell just retired:-)))))
Same joke and worse, former oil directors in charge of protecting the enviroment :=((
Apr 10th, 2011 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're clutching at straws Marcos. Who gives a stuff about that?
Apr 10th, 2011 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't, and it doesn't concern you.
You don't because you benefit from it. It does concern me, after all Malvinas is part of Argentina.
Apr 11th, 2011 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0after all Malvinas is part of Argentina.
Apr 11th, 2011 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really believe that? of course you dont,if you did you would man up and do something about it,I mean when your troops invaded and dug in they didnt fight like it was Argentina
Fact is, dear Monty69 and WestisBest, that Malvinas is so dependent of the Fishing industry that no criticism can be tolerated.
Apr 11th, 2011 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fact is that, the more you look at the papers, the more evident it is that the ~140.000 km2. Malvinas EEZ has been severely overfished for the last 20 years.
Total catch (tonnes) of all species by year:
1989: 426814
1990: 284516
1991: 304503
1992: 314957
1993: 251606
1994: 196798
1995: 245172
1996: 194991
1997: 230326
1998: 210847
1999: 377038
2000: 319107
2001: 265198
2002: 100979
2003: 209097
2004: 103098
2005: 127104
2006: 213256
2007: 302046
2008: 270407
2009: 153612
2010: 209077
http://www.fis.com/falklandfish/html/publications.html
Every time the stock of one species is depleted you just license some new species to keep the ”Merry-Go-Round” running until everything collapses.
Barton / Arkhipkin & Co. know this perfectly but………… what the heck………..They have to keep those islands running on an income and lifestyle much higher than Britain…..
Fact is dear Monty69 that the nice facade of Governmental and private ”Conservation Trusts” aren’t anything else than “Wolves watching the Sheep”……. Or Sheep watching the Grass……..
And that’s why you as an intrinsically decent person get irritated and, in frustration type:
*** ”lalalalala......can't hear you Think, you peguin murderer.”***
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2010/05/20/Argentina-risks-losing-hake-market-amid-low-yield-overfishing/UPI-62831274386335/
Apr 11th, 2011 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2010/05/20/Argentina-risks-losing-hake-market-amid-low-yield-overfishing/UPI-62831274386335/
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2010/05/20/Argentina-risks-losing-hake-market-amid-low-yield-overfishing/UPI-62831274386335/o/item_single.php?item=news&item_id=4610&approach_id=21
Well Think, it would appear that your stated policy of mismanaging your fishery to damage us is working.
Apr 11th, 2011 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you publish your own figures as well and we'll see how they compare?
Well Monty69,
Apr 11th, 2011 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinean policies are abundantly clear and matter of public record.
The point is not to compare figures the point is:
That Britain is, by proxy, through its 2.500 British settlers, severely overfishing the self declared Malvinas EEZ, relentlessly damaging the whole ecological system.
Britain is not doing it to feed their “needy population” but to finance the costs of controlling a remnant of their bygone Empire in the South-Atlantic.
A remnant they are keeping as an excuse to plunder every other resource they may find in OUR area of the world, an area where Britain is not desired nor welcomed.
No Think, the fisheries are managed and the FIG have even cut licenses short and refunded fees if managing the resource demands it. I seem to recall a certain El Thicko advocating deliberately destroying the same resource to hurt the islands. And who was it unilaterally withdrew from the joint management of fisheries in the usual fit of pique.
Apr 11th, 2011 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And again revenues go to the islands and the islanders, neither is Argentina doing it to feed a needy population, don't you always lecture us on the fertility of Argentina's food production (at least it was before the Kirchner's screwed it up).
Ok El Hypocrito, can on with the sanctimonious act.
That's it! If this Laughable “New Island Conservation Trust”(Oil/Fish club)
Apr 11th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0needed something else, is the support of Justin Kuntz from Scotland, he loves to support the release of mass murderers to gain oil deals.
Welcome to the circus Kuntz!
Margot,
Apr 11th, 2011 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I support the decision of the SCOTTISH Government to release a man dying from cancer on compassionate grounds. The SCOTTISH Government had nothing to do with any oil deals, in case you hadn't noticed the SCOTTISH Government were cleared of any wrong doing. The SCOTTISH Government being the Government of SCOTLAND, not the Blair/Brown Governments doing the ever so slightly dodgy deals to aid the Libyan Government then slagging off the SCOTTISH Government for acting on compassionate grounds.
I wonder, are you just too retarded to understand the difference between SCOTLAND and ENGLAND being two separate countries?
Unlike the Argentine Government who gives shelter to wanted terrorists and won't allow them to be tried in a court of law.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Apr 11th, 2011 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/scottish-politics/8437452/Scottish-Election-2011-profile-of-Edinburgh-Eastern-constituency.html
support the release of mass murderers to gain oil deals
Apr 11th, 2011 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2010/09/20/disagreement-over-terrorist-extradition-could-sour-chile-argentine-relations
''The Argentinean policies are abundantly clear and matter of public record''
Apr 11th, 2011 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very good....just remind us all what those policies are again. Do they have anything to do with feeding the 'needy population'?
No, I thought not.
They have to do with political ambition, and are prepared to accept starving seabirds a collateral damage.
The Falkland Islands policy is clear and a matter of public record; to run a sustainable fishery for the benefit of everyone in the South Atlantic.
I'm glad you think I'm a decent person; I think so too. But don't patronise me. I think that you and your regime are morally bankrupt and I'll carry on thinking that until you say something new that convinces me otherwise.
Britain is not doing it to feed their “needy population
Apr 11th, 2011 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And it aint feeding“ Some of the Argie population”
Dying from hunger in food-exporting Argentina
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12973543
Monty69 “And West is right. Phyl Rendell just retired”
Apr 11th, 2011 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Makes no difference, but did she?
Please read the new article of MercoPress.
How did a debate about over-fishing (which Britain, Argentina and the Falkland Islanders are all guilty of) turn into an irrelevant point about the Lockerbie bomber (both Britain and Argentina have had failings with terrorists)? Another case of we're both as bad as each other.
Apr 12th, 2011 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do you make of this? Think the echo warrior!
Apr 12th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina, which has more arid land than any other South American country, overgrazing has led to the degradation of range vegetation from the high plateaus in the north to the cold Patagonian desert in the south.
112,
Apr 14th, 2011 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly you know nothing about Chile, Peru or Bolivia. And even LESS about Argentina.
Clearly you know nothing about Chile, Peru or Bolivia. And even LESS about Argentina.
Apr 14th, 2011 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe but they do
http://personal.cricyt.edu.ar/rojeda/asner_etal_ea_2003.pdf
DESERTIFICATION IN CENTRAL ARGENTINA: CHANGES IN ECOSYSTEM
CARBON AND NITROGEN FROM IMAGING SPECTROSCOPY
GREGORY P. ASNER,1,3 CARLOS E. BORGHI,2 AND RICARDO A. OJEDA2
1Department of Global Ecology, Carnegie Institution of Washington, Stanford University, Stanford, California 94305 USA
2Biodiversity Research Group, CONICET-IADIZA, CC 507, (5500) Mendoza, Argentina
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