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Falklands’ war book reveals Israel’s arms and equipment support for Argentina

Tuesday, April 19th 2011 - 21:55 UTC
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Israel’s role during the 1982 Falkland Islands conflict as a willing supplier of arms, equipment and other materials to Argentina has been revealed in a book titled “Operation Israel: the rearming of Argentina during the dictatorship (1976/1983)” written by Hernan Dobry, with an advance published over the weekend in Buenos Aires daily La Nacion. Read full article

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  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    So moron...I mean Martin, the UK can only win with support from other countries eh? LOL you're such a tool suck on it boy XD

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Argentina had help from the Soviet Union during the Falklands’s War

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7085117.ece

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

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    Apr 20th, 2011 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “So Norway was helping you as well... should we conclude that without Norway's help you would have never found the Belgrano?”

    “Soviet satellite photographs”

    The soviet satellites that they were using to help argentina. Stones. Glass houses?

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    “Norway intercepted Soviet satellite photographs”

    Photos that Norway intercepted and passed on to the UK so they could go after the Belgrano. Stones. Glass houses?

    Idiot

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @ Martin_Fierro

    Don’t worry Martin with the huge debt and the little budget of Ukistan they will using google maps free API decoder.

    They only have to be careful to don’t make so many request else can end blocked.

    Ha ha ha

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    One is dumber than the other, no worries mate... haha

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kiwisarg

    4 Zethee
    The assistance from the Chilean was very very important to the Brits in this Malvinas conflict and also the Reegan's support too!!! satellite photographs, etecetec. France help a lots to the brits too!!! Do not forget that! Ok!

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    Well whoever helped whoever....we won, you lost, QED.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “Photos that Norway intercepted and passed on to the UK so they could go after the Belgrano. Stones. Glass houses?”

    No stones in my house. You was the one who(in one post) downplayed satellite photos from Russia while also claiming that Norways information was vital to us.

    “Peru sold aircrafts to Argentina, we flew them. Not Peru.
    Peru also sold Exocets to Argentina, so what? We fired them, not Peru.”

    The US sold missiles to the UK, so what? We fired them, not the US.
    France loaned us aircraft the train against, so what? They didn't fight for us.

    Your argument is contradictory and thus you are an idiot.

    Kiwisarg:
    At the end of the day when it came down to fighting it was Argentina and the UK fighting, noone else and you lost embarrassingly.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

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    Apr 20th, 2011 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    What I find really funny bout this report is that the argies have been telling everybody that they fought alone, with no help from anybody, while at the same time Britain was purchasing weapons from other countries. This report shows how the argies were getting kit and info from other countries just like Britain was, but somehow it's different because it's Argentina. Speak about 2 faced!!

    @ M-F. We fired the sidewinders, not the Americans, so why is it that you lot say you fought against Britain and America?

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    “stick up your junta ” no you are wrong, the sovietic Union offers to us help, but the militars didnt accept it, besides, i dont know why there is still people who is happy about who win or lose, both countries lose lifes and money, if you are happy about that then i wish for you the same luck.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Oh, i don't think there's any doubt Exuinox ... we won .... as indeed we did in 1833 and 1771 :-)

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    @ Searinox. “no you are wrong, the sovietic Union offers to us help, but the militars didnt accept it”

    Thats not what the Russians say. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7085117.ece

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    12,
    Read posts 1 & 2 and tell me who started the argument.

    You guys know very little about Chile, probably because you don't speak the language and you're not familiar with as many facts as we are.

    Fact, admittedly Chile did everything possible for Argentina to lose the war.
    Fact, Chile allowed the UK to land two cargo planes and setup a radar station in Punta Arenas to monitor flights from Rio Gallegos in Argentina.
    Fact, our elite military troops were stationed in the Chile-Argentina border fearing that Chile would seize the opportunity to attack Argentina.

    You're right, the US supplying sidewinders to the UK is the same as Peru supplying Jets and Exocets to Argentina.

    I personally believe that if Chile had been an ally, all our troops and resources would have been sent to Malvinas and the outcome would have been a different one.

    But that's just me, you can disagree all you like.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    Who started the war?
    What was Argentina going to do to Chile if Britain didn't fight back?
    Argentina recieved help, just like Britain did.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    @Martin (16)

    You can use as many hypotheticals as you want Martin. The fact is that the aggressors were defeated and the Falkland Islands and its people were liberated.

    I dont see the point of arguing about who helped who during the war, the most important thing is that the aggressive colonialists were removed from a territory that does not belong to them or wants them, and that the population of that territory can exercise their right of self-determination.

    End of story.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @17
    If Britain hadn't won in the Falklands I can take a pretty good guess as to what the Argies would have done to Chile....and so could the Chileans, that's why they supported Britain.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “I personally believe that if Chile had been an ally, all our troops and resources would have been sent to Malvinas and the outcome would have been a different one. ”

    Had this have happened. There would have been 10,000 or more troops on the islands cut off from your navy with no food or ammunition. It would have been a longer war with more casualties and many of your troops starving to death.

    It's a nice dream you have but in reality it wouldn't have happened.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    18,

    “...the most important thing is that the aggressive colonialists were removed”

    That's funny... your friend WestisBest here was just telling me about a beautiful colonial moment he was just having.

    #21 “we're the one's sitting cozy in the Falkland Islands, it's a nice day, Union Jack's flying proudly, How's it in Argentina?” http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/argentina-joins-manufacturing-of-brazil-s-kc-390-jet-powered-military-transport

    To which I replied:

    “Just fine, we fly our own flag, we're a REAL NATION.”

    “Thanks for asking.”

    Or look at post #14 on this article…

    “we won .... as indeed we did in 1833”

    Won what? A fight? Yeah… you took Malvinas by force, we know that.

    Go outside and look at your Union Jack, M_of_FI, then come back in and tell me you're not a colony.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    M_F. Clearly you have no idea what a colony is. It may have escaped your notice, but we don't have an empire anymore. The Falklanders choose not to be independent, thats not forced on them.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    Call us what you will Martin, we are aware that you cannot in principle acknowledge what a British Overseas Territory is because it would go against your party line to do so. We know who we are and even if you cannot admit in publicly you know who we are. Everything else is just wind.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britishbulldog

    Argentina had quite a bit of help in the conflict so what, countries take sides and money is made. It did them no good we kicked the cheeky intruders off the Islands and that is that. Any sane country after that little episode would take the hint that the big players in theworld do not recognize their claim over the Falklands.

    Israel would have sold weapons to Britain if asked, every country in South America would have done the same as well, if the price is right there is money to be made. The biggest surprise in all this is that Argentina could afford to pay for the equipment.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    22, ljb...

    Whatever... you tell them that, they're the ones going back and forth between “we're independent” and “we choose not to be independent”.

    I was more interested in your post on #17

    “What was Argentina going to do to Chile if Britain didn't fight back?”

    No argument there, Argentina was going to bomb the hell out of Chile, they were no match for Argentina at the time.

    Chile did exactly what Argentina would have done in their place, I don't blame them. And I don't condone the actions Argentina intended to carry out against Chile either.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    “Whatever... you tell them that, they're the ones going back and forth between “we're independent” and “we choose not to be independent”. ”

    Breaks down like this Martin:

    Britain maintains sovereignty:
    we choose to not to be independant. Being a British Overseas Territory is what we want so that's just fine.

    Argentina (by some miracle) gains sovereignty:
    we choose to be indepentant. I reckon we'd have a pretty good case for independence.

    There you go. :-)

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

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    Apr 20th, 2011 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    No wonder Argentina is between the rock and the hard place over the 90s Israel bombings in Argentina and Iran trade .
    It's tough to make friends and keep them in a multi-dimensional world!

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    so basically in 82 we had help from the Israel, Russia, Norway, Cuba, Peru, Venezuela , specifically what kind of help? Photo Reconnaissance from Russia for what? to send Christmas cards back home? The argument is pathetic, lack of content and better of moronic in a way ..with all the help received from those countries, Nuclear Submarines, MiG's 35, 6000 bullets per minute anti aircraft, Missiles, ICBM's .... and we lost the war anyways ??? lol!! Come on people !!!!!!!!... i know why, because the instructions came in russian and Google Translate was not available !! Don't forget 10,000 Spetsnaz ready to fight and die for us !!

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @27

    You just carry on enjoying your sovereignty CLAIM.
    ;-)
    ...and cheers to you, Losers.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    29 artillero601 :

    None of us are really saying that. Martin previously said in other topics that the UK had all this kind of help and argentina got none and thats why we won the war. Then this comes out and it is rather amusing. Especially when he claims satellite reconnaissance helped us greatly but had no effect when Russia sent Argentina satellite reconnaissance.

    In reality it was pretty much just Argentina vs the UK.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @ 31 Of course ....

    so I took russian in Miltary School for nothing?

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

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    Apr 20th, 2011 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

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    Apr 20th, 2011 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Ditto from Chubut

    Home of the glorious Rimec25

    Hasta la victoria
    Siempre

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ptolemy

    Clearly this discussion was headed down hill from the beginning. It's just a book...........

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @36 true that! ....

    @35 ..... don't tease me think!!!!

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yul

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    Apr 20th, 2011 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Not even Google can translate that !!!! lol!!

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yul

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    Apr 20th, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    ok Yul, stop your shit and write in English .....

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yul

    artillero /

    excuse me ..their english : (#38 / very bad ,very pity),(# 40 / what is your name ?)
    Russian is a poetic language. I don't know it ,shortly before I had asked to my close Czech friend about their senses !

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Hoooook, line and sinker Moron....ahem....Martin (I must stop that dreadful habit) and you practically tried to eat my fly rod as well :D :D.

    Thats another one for the bag and trophy shelf :)

    No mention of the super genetically modified super kamikaze dolphin men from the US I see XD

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    Isn't it ironic that the U.S gave reconaisance movements to the brittish
    command on Argentina forces while on another hand U.S merceranaries where fighting with Argentine forces against the brittish army, it
    seems the U.S loves to play as the Devils Advocate.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Us mercenaries? under whose command? please provide name of the Unit, the specialty , name of the commander and sector assigment in the Islands if you don't mind ....also don't forget that 5000 cubans left from Angola to give us a hand ....(that's a secret, don't tell anybody)

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    45:

    Tiger seems to think they had merceranaries fighting against us. Martin was telling us the other day how we had super human US navy divers blowing up Argentinian ships. And even though no one knew about them, it was the main reason for Argentina pulling it's fleet home.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    45 artillero it has been stated by several U.S ex military personnel check out the book Vulcan 607, and Socnet.
    Anyway had the Argentine air to ground missile detonated on the British air carrier it would have been a rather diffirent ending to Britain's occupation of the Islas Malvinas , if only the Argentine Air force had more exocet missiles in place oh well history does not always please.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    A comment from the Soviet Ambassador at a lunch party in the UK Parliament 1983- when asked what would Russia have done if they had been UK in April 1982 - answer - we would have sent a task force just like you did, indeed we would not have thought much of you if you had not and what you achieved gave us food for thought.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Argentine Air force had more exocet missiles
    Wrong, Armada

    the Islas Malvinas
    Wrong, Falklands

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    48 Islander1: It was the main reason we didn't accept the US fleet helping. The UK had to prove it was willing and able to defend itself.
    47 Tigre2000: You are wrong.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    do your homework Zethee, and junta your just a convict : )

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @48 is that the same russian General that said ,quote “ If a 3rd world country like Argentina , inflicted that kind of damage to the most powerful nation from Nato .... we can take over Europe in 24 hours ” .....

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    51 Tigre2000:

    There were no US military involved in the war. They offered to help us. but we did not accept. You are wrong.

    52 artillero601:

    If a russian general did say something like that and i dont for a second believe it he would have been very incorrect. the “powerful nation from Nato” in the cold war was always the USA.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Drew Puli Wolf

    I’m an American so I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I think you Argentines owe a debt of gratitude to the Brits. At the time of the war Argentina was under the grip of ruthless Military Dictatorship. Having failed the country miserably they were deeply unpopular, but ruthless enough to stay in power. They thought they could gain popularity by taking over the Falklands/Malvinas. They thought the Brits would consider the Falkland not worth fighting for – they were wrong. After losing the war the Generals were completely disgraced and lost power. So you Argentines have the British to thank for freeing you from the Military.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @53 switch that to “ one of the more powerful Nation from Nato ” ....better?

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Better, i don't know. was it correct?

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @56... I don't know if he was drinking vodka at the time ...I trying to get the name to be more accurate ....Maybe it was display of “cold war” propaganda, I'm just quoting the guy.

    @54... It was “The Straw that Broke the Camel's Back”...

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    54 -for info I was at that table and those were his words. Yes maybe it did help convince the Soviets that the decadent west was not so soft after all - who knows.

    Apr 20th, 2011 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    57:

    I don't know who you are quoting. But by the end of the cold war you can kind of tell that russian military people got it wrong.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @ 59 You can say that ....

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @54 Drew, Mr. American: We are also Americans.
    We have nothing to thank the British. The soldiers were already in retreat for the struggle of the society in Argentina.
    Then we could say that the British should be grateful because his country was in a terrible economic crisis.
    Finally, I inform you that the Malvinas are Argentine, were usurped by force in peacetime.
    Read the book of his countryman Julius Goebel:
    http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=81002661
    We are not defeated. We continue to struggle.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    @ 59 You can say that ....

    I can, and due to the fact that they lost the cold war. They clearly was wrong.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Drew Puli Wolf

    #64 That’s my point. The Junta was on the skids, the economy was sinking and there were riot in the streets. The invasion was an attempt to gain support for the Junta by diverting attention away from the economy and Human Rights abuses, and hang on to power. Do you not think it is a coincident that the invasion took place right after the riots of March 30th and 31st? If the Junta was successful they may have succeeded in staying in power. The Junta military action had nothing to do with Argentine Patriotism but a desperate attempt to hold on to power. The Junta’s gamble to stay in power took the lives of 649 Argentines – while they sat in comfort in Buenos Aires.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @ 63 ....is Guantanamo Bay a violation of human rights?, is water baording a violation of human rights, 150,000 iraquis dead for the seaking of WMD's, or Hussein link to al qaeda, I would assume that you read the 9/11 report, 40 million americans without health insurance in the most powerful country in the world, the support of dictators in the middle east for the sake of keeping the region stable (who cares about the poeple) .... do I continue? before you talk about somebody else's dirty laundry, clean yours first .....just a thought

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    What has all this got to do with Argentina buying arms from Israel?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    hahahaha .... Nothing whatsoever !!!

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “150,000 iraquis dead for the seaking of WMD”

    “the support of dictators in the middle east for the sake of keeping the region stable”

    Wasn't saddam a dictator in the middle east? Im confused, your message seems a bit contradictionary. We did bad in iraq with that dictatorship, but we should remove more dictatorships?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ 63 Drew, the economy was sinking in UK too. So you British have the Argentines to thank for freeing you from terrible economic crisis.
    The help of Peru and Israel is known for some time.
    But compared with U.S. help, sidewinder missiles, satellite imagery, Ascension Island, jet fuel, etc. Argentina faced the 2 most powerful countries of NATO.
    David versus Goliath.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    You do realise that Ascension Island is a british island...?

    The fighting was between Argentina and the UK. Try and spin it anyway you like but you lost a fight to ONE other nation. Not two.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ 69 You do realise that Ascension Island is a british island...?
    I know. United States provided many teams from there.
    I know too. But their support was very important.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    70,
    The US provided man-power, I know this for a fact, I met one of the Navy officers.
    Don't tell the Brits though... they'll get all hot and bothered, not a pretty sight.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Yes, we can't deny Martins super human navy US diver friend who can apparently swim faster than a warship and has sunk thousands of ships.

    You know, i've met so many SAS people in the pub. Every time i meet drunk people in a pub i seem to meet one. I wouldn'd for a second thing they're not telling the truth.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Dear god thats bad.

    Wouldn't*
    Think*

    By the way Martin. We are still awaiting the proof of these claims. Last time we asked for some reason you didn't respond. I wonder why...?

    ..?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Oh sure... no problem, let me find the guy I met 20 years ago. Where would you like to meet him?

    Turnip

    I doesn't matter what you believe, I know it's true, I met the man... he had no reason to lie. That's it, that's where the argument ends, you believe what you like.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    No, no. You misunderstand me.

    I completely agree with the fact that your friend you met once twenty years ago is able to defy the laws of physics, logic and reason.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    That's right Zethee, ships are always moving, they never stop.

    You are a pinnacle of wisdom, I surrender.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    I'm going to try explain the logic behind what you are trying to claim here. It is very amusing.

    Subs are built to blow up ships using torpedoes. That is there purpose.

    Your friend's “job” was to come out of the sub(that is designed to blow up other ships) swim up to other ships(only if they're standing still) attach a bomb to them, swim off then set the bomb off.

    Ofcourse if we had a thing like torpedo this wouln't at all be necessary.

    Your friend somehow got out of the sub while it was underwater and i guess got back into the sub while it was still underwater, even though this is not possible.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    I did meet a man once who told me he was batman. This was before he pissed himself. I didn't really believe him but your point of view i think has really made me think twice.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    This forum is quickly devolving into a 'fan fiction' discussion, with the senseless proliferation of “what ifs” and “coulda woulda shouldas”. Let's rather focus on the only relevant fact, i.e. which side won in 1982.

    By the way, whoever wrote the article above needs help from a good editor. Both the spelling and the grammar are substandard.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Zethee... 72, 73, 75, 77, 78

    Are you familiar with Limpet mines?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpet_mine

    “A swimmer or diver may attach the mine, which is usually designed with hollow compartments to give the mine a slight negative buoyancy, making it easier to handle underwater.”

    Oh look at that... a DIVER may attach the mine, I would've thought only batman could pull it off. ;-)

    “Tools and weapons carried underwater”

    “Many types of explosives may be used:
    C-4, C13 grenade, and clay explosives
    And, most famously, the limpet mine.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpet_mine

    “Limpet mine, a standard equipment of the SEAL combat divers. It is a highly explosive used for disabling and destroying surface vessels.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpet_mine

    So they're standard AND famous???

    Nonsense, attaching a bomb to the bottom of a ship is impossible. : P

    lol

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “Are you familiar with Limpet mines?”

    Are you...? LOL.

    You are stating that the USA sent armed submarines to attack Argentine ships, these submarines were armed with torpedoes. But instead of using these. The submarine rises above water, undocks a diver in the middle of the ocean this diver then swims faster than a warship right up to the side of your ship none of whom have noticed a giant submarine surfacing just off starboard. He then attaches a mine to the side of your ship and swims back to the sub and sets off the explosion.

    All the while the captain of the sub could press one button, from further away than a diver could swim without having to surface and with little to no risk of damage to his crew and ship and fire a torpedo and sink your ship without risking the lives of his crew and the diver.

    Martin. You know this argument is complete rubbish, why continue looking like an idiot?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Also, He wasn't just ANY old US navy person, he was a SEAL?

    The fact that you believed this man is extremely hilarious.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    82,

    No, you're hilarious, and I never said anything about submarines.

    He never said how, or when, or even if he got the chance to deploy the mines. He gave me no specifics, I said that the very first time I posted the comment.

    Your argument was that this could not be done, clearly, it can be done.

    Clearly, you don't have the dignity to admit that you're wrong, so I'll let you rant by yourself.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “Your argument was that this could not be done, clearly, it can be done.

    Clearly, you don't have the dignity to admit that you're wrong, so I'll let you rant by yourself.”

    I wasn't wrong. It's not possible.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “and I never said anything about submarines”

    That's a lie. And you know it.

    “there had to be a US sub there somewhere. I don't think the reason why our Naval fleet withdrew from the confrontation was the UK, there were simply too many subs in the area, and sure as hell not just from the UK.”

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/03/19/oil-legislation-to-obstrut-falklands-industry-a-boomerang-for-argentine-companies-says-fco

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    85,

    I stand corrected, the US Navy diver said nothing about submarines, I did.

    You're still wrong, Limpet mines do exist. They are explosives deployed by divers that can be attached to the bottom of a ship by magnets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpet_mine

    The Sinking of the Rainbow Warrior
    New Zealand, July 10, 1985
    “After the necessary information had been gathered, two DGSE divers beneath the Rainbow Warrior attached two limpet mines and detonated them 10 minutes apart.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpet_mine

    MAINDEKA ADVANCED LIMPET MINE
    “Maindeka is an advanced limpet mine. It is primarily meant for use by Naval divers for underwater sabotage.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpet_mine

    Type “limpet mine” on your browser, you'll get more results than you can read.

    All written by Batman himself. ;-)

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Hey guys, this is just classroom teasing of the big, dim 'fat kid', and its getting out of hand.
    I know it's just fun for you, but some 'fat kids' can't take it and return to 'Columbine' taking out the teasers and the innocent kids alike.
    Give the lad a break.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    What can we take away from this? 20 years ago someone told Martin that the Americans provided man-power to help the British in '82....and this is stated by Martin as being an incontrovertible fact.....

    How very convincing.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    No, not a fact since I can't prove it. Why this is such a big deal for you is totally beyond me. Why this man would choose to lie to me, also beyond me.

    Can it be done? Yes, it can and has been done.

    Let it go already...

    ...and Geoff, I run five miles everyday, I assure you I'm not fat. ;-)

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    lf there was no submarine maybe these famous frogmen swam underwater all the way from the USA.
    @54 DPW, thats been pointed out to them before, that Argentina should be grateful to the British. They don't like that, they don't like the truth.
    lf they had won in 1982, then its possible that the junta, or the junta's sons would have still been in power & half the Argentines posting here could now be floating/sinking in the South Atlantic.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    zzzzzzzz... lsolde
    [yawn]

    If I had a dollar for every time I've heard the same stupid story...

    ...the UK didn't give two shits about the Argentine people.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @91 .... Martin, I just woke up (6:48 Central time), Do you need any help?

    @67 where is the contradiction? Please explain

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    92, haha... good morning

    They were having a nice colonial moment with their Union Jack yesterday, so of course when I brought it up they got upset... nothing new.

    Their “independent government” flies the Union Jack... ;-)

    What do you think about that artillero?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Well Martincho, what can I say? I'm too old for this anyways, looking forward to the long weekend .....but you mormons don't celebrate right? lol!!

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    Whose independent government? Can't be the Falklands because they are not yet independent, due to a rather nasty bully living next door. They are however self governing.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    94,
    lol.... f-u, I'm not a mormon

    How old are you artillero? I'm 35

    95... 'nasty bully', let me ask you something... how would you feel if Argentina had a nuclear sub circling around the UK? Seriously, give me a sensible answer, if you can.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    Does Argentina have a nuclear sub circling it?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    That's your sensible answer?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    It wasn't an answer, it was a question. You can easily tell by the question mark at the end.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    GeoffWard:
    I'd had a bit to drink but yes i do now realise it is like teasing the dumb kid, not really fair. Fun though.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    “It wasn't an answer”

    Exactly

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    @M_F. Does Argentina have an SSN circling it?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @96 I'm 48 ....so F*me? jajaja!

    As to the dolphins blowing up crap is like the bats with napalm to burn Japan in WW2 ....

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LegionNi

    #96 Martin_Fierro

    The nuclear sub of the UK is only in the south atlantic as a direct result of the past actions of Argentina.

    You reap what you sow.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Maybe we should share the sub to keep all the ilegal fishing in the area ...(I'm not talking about the islanders before i get attacked by no reason)

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    102,
    What's an SSN? Don't start with the acronyms...

    I asked you a simple question, an honest question... no answer. I wonder why.

    104,

    haha... right

    Don't talk to me about 'nasty bullies' Brits...

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @105 .. to keep out !

    @106 ...you are becoming a very popular individual in this forum

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    Ok, I will answer you since your acting like a kid. I would not be worried in the slightest, we have had Soviet and now Russian subs sailing round the UK since long before I was born. SSN = http://www.abbreviations.com/SSN

    Now answer my question.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    107,
    They don't like my questions... haha

    108,
    He won't tell me what SSN stand for, but I'm acting like a kid... ok..

    No, Argentina does not have a nuclear sub, not yet.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Super Scuba Ninja. The deadliest force in the world.

    http://www.colomboscuba.com/images/scuba_ninja.jpg

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    I never asked you if Argentina had an SSN, I asked you if it had an SSN circling it. Let me make my question clearer for you.
    Does Argentina have a Royal Navy SSN circling it?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LegionNi

    #105 Joint operations to prevent illegal fishing would be ideal. Can't see the Argentine government going for it though.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Maybe he wants my Social Security Number...

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @112 sometimes regular people can come to a better compromise , rather than getting the politicians involved . That's how I see the future of the conflict resolved, by people not by governments
    @113 Never Martin!! if you loose that number you are done ....of buy Life Lock!

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @108 ljb, How would you feel if Argentina usurped by force the Wight island?
    How would you feel if the thief of your house tells you, oh do not talk to me, my children or grandchildren are the people who now live there. They will choose return the home or not.?
    Clearly, the answer to this question last is obvious.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LegionNi

    #115 That is a very simplistic view of the issue.

    The sovereignty dispute is far more complicated than that.

    To answer your question though, if Argnetina usurped by force the Isle of Wight I imagine any UK citizern would be very annoyed.

    However, the question is did the UK usurp by force the Falkland Islands from Argentina?

    The UK does not believe so and this would appear to be backed up by historical record.
    * The UK sovereignty claim dates back to 1760ish, prior to that of Argentina.
    *The UK has never renounced sovereignty of the islands.
    *Historical records show that Vernet asked UK permission for his settlement.
    *When Argentina appointed governor of the islands, the UK officially objected stating UK sovereignty of the islands.
    *When Argentina ignored the offical protest and instead placed a military garrion on the islands, thereby usurping by force sovereign British territory, the British government acted to expel said garrison.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @116 The UK has never renounced sovereignty of the islands.
    I show him something loud and clear: the UK's acceptance of Spanish sovereignty:
    http://books.google.com.ar/books?id=Ip-9_W7efbAC&pg=PA210&dq=The+struggle+for+the+falkland+island&hl=es&ei=FtagTbrpN-Pj0gGAm_CHBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=The%20struggle%20for%20the%20falkland%20island&f=false
    And with that the words end.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    114,
    Don't worry, he's not getting my SSN : P

    'Ship Submersible Nuclear'? Who came up with this acronym? Master Yoda?

    108 ljb,
    “I would not be worried in the slightest, we have had Soviet and now Russian subs sailing round the UK since long before I was born.”

    1. What in the hell would Russia have to fear from the UK? They could turn your tiny UK into a pile of ash in ten seconds. They were probably just passing through precisely because they don't give a shit about you, or whether you like it or not...
    2. You're willing to say that you don't care just to prove me wrong? That's pretty stupid.

    116,
    “Historical record”

    Both governments have their own historical records, you can argue back and forth 'till the end of time with that... it's moot.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Surprised and disappointed if I'm honest but at the end of the day who cares what Israel did. We won and got our Islands back, thats all that counts.
    Don't think Israel taught Argentina the old “white flag trick” but you never know.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LegionNi

    117, One book by one author does not prove British acceptance of Spanish sovereignty.

    Where are the historical treaties specifically stating British acceptance of Spanish sovereignty?

    Also accpetance of spanish sovereignty would not imply any rights to the islands on the part of Argentina anyway.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    120,

    “Also accpetance of spanish sovereignty would not imply any rights to the islands on the part of Argentina anyway.”

    Like you would admit it if it did.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LegionNi

    # 121 Martin

    Well prove it does and I would have no other option.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @ 119 On a better note, I'm trying to get a hold of a SA80, are they available for civilian use? I can't find them in the US market .....

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @120 I can show you the sun...and you say is the moon.
    Are you sure?. Historically, the British refused to discuss.
    And it is because they know they have no reason.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @118

    On the submarine issue...

    What in the hell would UK have to fear from the Argentina? They could turn your country into a pile of ash in ten seconds. They were probably just passing through precisely because they don't give a shit about you, or whether you like it or not...

    ;-)

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    125,

    Except you're not passing through, are you? ;-)

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    @117. Thanks for the link to some books. I must be missing something, I didn't see anything there that said Britain accepted the Falklands were Spanish.

    @118. I really don't care if you think my comment is stupid, because there is nothing I could do about Soviet SSNs patroling in British waters. You still have not answered my question!
    “Does Argentina have a Royal Navy SSN circling it? ”

    @115. I would be seriously miffed if somebody decided to invade the Isle of Wight. I would also be seriously miffed if somebody stole my house, but thats really not an issue is it? and it's a poor comparison also. The Falklands were never owned by Argentina, the Isle of Wight has always been owned by Britain.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    127,

    YES, THE UK HAS A NUCLEAR SUB CIRCLING AROUND ARGENTINA.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    128 Martin_Fierro
    No it doesn't.
    It may from time to time have one circling round the Falkland Islands, but whatever you may think, that isn't the same thing.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    Does it really! Now how would you know that?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    130,

    Whatever you may think, it is the same thing.

    You are the 'nasty bullies', not Argentina.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    Really, your not going to tell me how you know there is an SSN patroling the South Atlantic, Why?

    We are not bullying the Falklands, you are! So that makes you the nasty bullies.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    131 Martin_Fierro

    And what exactly do you think we Falkland Islanders are trying to bully you into doing?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Why don't you just go back to Catalunya, where you belong, Martin Fierro?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Drew Puli Wolf

    Malvinense 1833 - yes the British economy was in bad shape and Thatcher was predicted to lose the election in 1983. The Argentine Junta didn't think a democracy would fight, but they didn't realize that politicians elected or not will happy send their fellow countrymen to war if it means reelection. So after winning the war Thatcher got the label the “Iron Lady” and easily won reelection, and continued to destroy the British Middle and Working Class. Britain has never recovered. So you Argentines should fell good you may have lost the Malvinas, but you helped screw the Brits for the last 30 years!

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    OHO, now he's a US Naval officer eh Martin? That plot thickens.

    Now prey do tell the amount of Argentine shipping sunk by limpet mines :)

    Or explain how a diver can safely attach one to a fast moving modern combat vessel, in the middle of the South Atlantic :)

    You want my opinion....you're either very gullible, or a complete liar, I say.....both..... Ta Ta doll face :)

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yul

    #134/ J.A

    Are you really believe that Martin is Spanish and from South America ?
    I do not .!. becouse Spanish & S.Americans are lazy generaly ,however
    Martin is very swift and smart despite of his impetuosity !

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @ 135 Drew, as an american (you said also , you don't have a dog in the fight) what are you trying to say? or accomplish? I live in the US also ....

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @128

    A sub can't circle around Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, Paraguay, Brazil & Uruguay are in the way.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yul

    artillero /

    Where are you from in Texas ?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    why?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Your stupid sub is there, 'supposedly' and 'allegedly', as a deterrent from any possible interference with the illegal hydrocarbon exploration taking place around Malvinas.

    It's really just warmongering, but it can also be classified as bullying.

    134 J.A. Roberts,

    You don't know my real name or last name, you don't know my ancestry. But whatever my ancestry is, I'm Argentine first. That means that I have more rights than ANY ONE OF YOU to Malvinas, because they are part of Tierra Del Fuego, Argentina.

    You go back to wherever the hell you came from, if you live in Malvinas, or stay wherever the hell you are, if you don't.

    You and your sheer lunacy, to claim something 8,000 miles away with such nerve will never seize to amaze me, never.

    If Argentina had occupied Wales in 1833 and the situation were reversed, I tell you honestly, I don't think I would have the nerve to condone a claim... or feel like I need to. And there is the difference between Argentina and the UK, need.

    NEED...

    For us, Malvinas is sovereign territory, but little more than an outpost really... nothing of significant value. Crappy weather, no trees... I wouldn't live there if you payed me to. Argentina is huge, might as well be a PLANET compared to the UK. Most of Patagonia is inhabited, we don't really need Malvinas... we have more land than we know what to do with.

    But you, you would settle for a rock no matter how horrible and remote... why the f@ck else would you live there? It's all about the UK being tiny and insignificant. That's it in a nutshell and it's pathetic, embarrassing even.

    You gloat about these rocks like fools... but what your government is really after is Antarctica, reason why their latest claim was based on an expansion of the fraudulent 'EEZ' around Malvinas, not on actual rights of sovereignty over Antarctica. Did you know that? Of course not. But you're not getting Antarctica, all you'll get is a few more years on those miserable rocks, that's it.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yul

    my comment (#137) is still valid !

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    142 Martin_Fierro
    ''we don't really need Malvinas... we have more land than we know what to do with.''

    Very good Martin, and that summarises why your claim to our home will never get anywhere. We want it and you don't. You just don't want us to have it.

    We'll still be here after the oil exploration, and so will the sub. This isn't about oil. I know it's hard for someone of your limited intellect to understand anyone else's point of view, but I wish you would try, for your own sake.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    142________Correction, most of Patagonia is -uninhabited-

    Thanks yul, but like I said, I'm from Argentina. ;-)

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    @142. And how do you know our SSN is there? Are you going to give me an answer or not?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @146 it doesn't matter if the sub is there or not .....nobody will do anything about it.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    146... you don't know much, do you?

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread553637/pg1

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread553637/pg1

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread553637/pg1

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread553637/pg1

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread553637/pg1

    Do you need more links?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    That's the evidence is it? that's all you could come up with! The Royal Navy never discusses the SSNs activities, all the info in the above links are nothing but speculation. Even the crews of the SSNs don't know where they are.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @149 Good point!
    I almost forgot, it was in the news a couple of days ago. Did the Defense Minister post the location of the subs (by mistake of course) up in the internet ?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    @150. Yes they cocked up big style, but that's all it was, a cock up.
    Below are just a few things I copied from the above links.

    “Sources (Note: no official channels mentioned) said that the presence of Sceptre around the Falklands is hoped to be enough to dampen the ambitions of Argentina - which still lays claim to the British islands.”

    “The Ministry of Defence has refused to confirm the sub’s presence there, saying it does not comment on submarine operations.”

    “But The Times unofficially (Note: Unofficially !) informed today that Britain is also sending a submarine (or maybe two?).”

    As for the Americasposts.com, thats just garbage from start to finish, SSBNs wtf!

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    No doubt! ... You can have 1 or 10, what difference does it make? NONE!

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    It makes no difference to anything other than showing M_F is talking rubbish.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    hahaha... you could slap them on the face with a submarine and they'll still deny it...

    So stupid

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    What is the point of arguing something that nobody knows ...

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    You still don't supply any evidence M_F. Your posting all these stupid comments about SSNs, yet you prove nothing! Why are you even bothering to comment on this?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Everybody does ... like the support we received in 82 from other nations ....

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    What has that got to do with SSNs??

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Falkland Fred

    probably already been mentioned but I couldn't be bothered reading all the usual endlessly repeated drivel on here.

    Is there not a certain irony here that Argentina has for the last half century or so provided a wonderful haven for the Nazi war criminals and here is a tale of Argentina being helped out by the very people that were persecuted by them?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    160.................the very what the hell???

    Sorry... you lost me

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    @161.So your commenting on something you know nothing about. Your just making it up.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    162,
    You would post 1 link and expect me to believe it, I posted 5.
    You, WestisBest and Zethee have a lot in common, no dignity to admit when you're wrong.

    Now we're having some fun artillero, aren't we?
    That's all Mercopress is good for, laughs… : P

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @ 160... Argentina has for the last half century or so provided a wonderful haven for the Nazi war criminals .....
    As well as Brasil, Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay not just as us ....

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    Falkland Fred means:

    @161

    Nazis persecuted the Jews.
    Argentina sheltered fleeing Nazis in 1945.
    Israel helps out Argentina in 1982.

    Understand the irony now Martin? try to keep up.

    PS: nice rant @142, you want to watch out, you'll rupture something at that rate.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    165,

    Maybe an old fart like you would rupture something... not me.

    Don't you worry, I've got this... ;-)

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    @163. Still avoiding the issue I see. You brought up the subject not me, you said we have SSNs in the South Atlantic, not me. You posted silly links that prove nothing, not me. Sadly I'm seeing first hand, what others told me about the argies that comment on these matters, you read something on the internet and believe it's true, whether you can prove it or not.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Well shit ljb, then this article must be a lie...

    Stupid

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @166

    old fart? I'm the same age as you purport to be.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    167...

    “you read something on the internet and believe it's true, whether you can prove it or not”

    ...oh wait! This article can't be a lie because it can be used AGAINST Argentina, surely it must be all true. Lets find something that puts YOU at a disadvantage and call it “rubbish”. Ok stupid boy?

    Whew!! ...that was a close one for ljb

    169,
    Pardon me then... most people in this forum are older than big ben.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @ljb, you will be waiting a long time. lf Martino doesn't like the question he won't answer. some of the other Argentines come across as quite human sometimes, but l cannot say much good about Martin. He seems a real nasty piece of work.
    Hey, Martino, we own the Falklands and you do not(& never will).
    btw- Geoff was right and you were wrong, its“realise” to us. “realize” is American spelling.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    171,

    So, you agree with ljb's statement then:

    “you read something on the internet and believe it's true, whether you can prove it or not”

    None of the 5 links I posted constitute an answer, because the source was the internet.

    Correct?

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    160 Falkland Fred, Why don't you ask the Americans about “Operation Paperclip” and Werner von Braun, decorated Nazi war hero and proud member of the Nazi Waffen-SS. Consider an American heroe.

    149 ljb “Even the crews of the SSNs don't know where they are”
    I agree!

    “Our former colonial masters, the British, used to be renowned for their terrifying navy, which would obliterate rival fleets and bombard barbarian cities from the sea in order to pave the way for colonial conquest. Unfortunately, the Brits are stone cold broke now, having spent all their Pounds Sterling on booze, and so their navy sucks. CASE IN POINT: the HMS Astute, a fancy new submarine that is supposed to be invisible to sonar because of fancy British technology, not-so-astutely got itself stuck in the mud off the coast of Scotland. Is there video? Oh, you bet there’s video”

    http://wonkette.com/427479/dumb-british-submarine-stuck-in-mud

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    Pointless comments from pointless argies.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @ ljb

    Breaking news.

    NR SSN crew was seen docking in Buenos Aires port while bargaining for kebabs and trying to pay with credit cards issued by the Islamic Bank of Britain.

    Unfortunately for them Kebabs were not in the Argies menus so they ended up buying a few choripans with chimicurri sauce and paying in cash due to fears of the shop’s manager to accept CC from risky countries like UKi.

    For more info about geotargeting BSSN follow Kebab and F & C smell in Atlantic Ocean never fails.

    : )

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    174

    Wow, compelling argument.

    Should we label this article as “rubbish” then? I mean since it's on the internet.

    Or will you choose not to answer the question?

    ;-)

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Drew Puli Wolf

    To artillero601. Why am bothering with this discussion? First one fact I didn’t mention, my wife is Brazilian. That why I read Merco Press, for stories about Brazil. Obviously by the post here I can see there is a lot of passion about the islands. For the people who live there I can see why, and I do take their side – people should have a right to chose what government they live under, and if they chose to be British that’s their right. For the same reason I support Pakistan in Kashmir dispute. For the Argentines why all the passion for a group of Isolated Islands, with a population of about 3000+, and a GDP of $75 million (It cost more than that to build 10 miles of freeway here). My main point is the war was caused not by patriots working for the best interests of their country, but by leaders who were unpopular and wanted to stay in power, who were more than willing to send their fellow countrymen (usually poor conscripts) to their deaths for that purpose.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    177,

    This has nothing to do with the war, nothing.

    It's true, the military Junta used the issue to manipulate the people, an issue they cared nothing about and were ill equipped to handle. The Junta did not represent Argentina or its interests, so forget the Junta and forget the war.

    And while Malvinas is the central issue, or the symbolic issue if you will, the real issue is the 5 million km² of sovereign Argentine territories claimed by the UK. All of which expand from the Malvinas “EEZ” outwards and towards Antarctica. So don't give me that “self-determination” bullshit, that's just an excuse... a smoke-screen.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Martin_Fierro

    Martin, be careful in touching some nerves of these people they are not like us.

    When they get angry usually throw a shoe to you face, be careful to don’t expose your face to any injury while posting here.

    : )

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ 177 Drew Puli Wolf, Obviously you do not know the history of the islands. We put so much passion because it is a part of our country that taken from us.
    Read the book of his countryman Julius Goebel:
    http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=81002661
    It is the only place where not met the Monroe Doctrine
    This way you can understand the Argentines.

    Apr 21st, 2011 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “and Zethee have a lot in common, no dignity to admit when you're wrong.”

    I would like to point out that none of you have ever once proved me wrong, in any case or argument in any thread on this website.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    181

    Awww......someone pass me the violin

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    The most likely candidate waqs thing but anyone who was on here recently remembers how he failed miserably at the falklands defence costs and after being proven wrong just ignored our posts.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @183 hahahaha very good.
    Big Ben: Good
    Liverpool Club: very good
    British look the other way: wrong.
    violin with electric guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2QQ3NMa54

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Drew Puli Wolf

    Sure mate self-Determination for the people and for that reason I will support the Mexican and Latinos when they claim California, Texas, Florida, etc. to be part of Mexico, Cuba, Guatemala, Puerto Rico, etc.

    They also have the right of self - Determination

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r518cKBt8b0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r518cKBt8b0
    : )

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @186 Nico, I live in Texas and self determination that you are talking about is from the US and not to be part of Mexico. Texas was a republic way before so some people in here (not the mexicans in particular) want independence. Not only is one of the biggest (after Alaska) but as a country (if) it would be in the top 6/7 countries in the world. I don't see this happening anytime soon......

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Sure, historically, militarily-maintained and/or senescent 'nations' unable to protect their integrity are subject to dissolution in many directions.

    This *may* have self-determination as one of a number of rationales - as in Iraq with the Kurds, in Yugoslavia with the many factions and groups,
    and (perhaps, though extremely unlikely) in the USA in time, with a country splitting into eg. ethnic (white, black, latino) regions invoking self-rule.

    The last time this happened in the States, it was over some states' determination to keep slaves and other states' determination that they shouldn't.

    If Texas ceceded from the Union, would it remain 'top 6/7' when the oil runs out? Would it opt for integration with Mexico? (Self-evidently, a joke question).

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    I didn't think the cecede movement in texas was that big. But yeah it would be the 13'th richest nation in the world if it did leave the USA though if it did leave it would loose a lot of this because stuff like NASA and the massive military industry would be moved elsewhere in the US.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    180 NicoDin,

    Yeah... notice all the F words, wonder if his post will get deleted like our posts do.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] 187-- artiller
    would the US turn into some confederation ?

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    182,

    Never wrong huh Zethee? haha..
    __________________________________________________
    84 Zethee:
    “Your argument was that this could not be done, clearly, it can be done.“
    ”I wasn't wrong. It's not possible.“
    __________________________________________________

    Limpet Mine
    ”A swimmer or diver may attach the mine, which is usually designed with hollow compartments to give the mine a slight negative buoyancy, making it easier to handle underwater.“
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpet_mine

    Tools and weapons carried underwater
    ”Many types of explosives may be used: C-4, C13 grenade, and clay explosives. And, most famously, the limpet mine.“
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frogman#Tools_and_weapons_carried_underwater

    Sinking of the Rainbow Warrior
    ”Two DGSE divers beneath the Rainbow Warrior attached two limpet mines and detonated them 10 minutes apart.“
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frogman#Tools_and_weapons_carried_underwater

    Maindeka Limpet Mine
    ”Maindeka is an advanced limpet mine. It is primarily meant for use by Naval divers for underwater sabotage.“
    ofbindia.nic.in/products/data/ammunition/dem/9.htm

    __________________________________________________
    182 Zethee:
    ”I would like to point out that none of you have ever once proved me wrong, in any case or argument in any thread on this website.”
    __________________________________________________

    Everybody, meet Zethee, he's never wrong.

    Like I said, no dignity.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    I never said i have never been wrong. I said you've never proven that any of my points aren't correct. And you havent(Also quite drunk when i wrote that).

    Limpet mines are used on ships in dock not in the middle of the atlantic because it is a physical impossiblity. Brooklyn class destroyers(Belgrano) sail at 60 km/h.

    The fastest swimmer in the world set a record of 8.6 km/hr. Without explosives and diving gear.

    You are so stupid it's not even funny anymore. Your claim is based on what “some guy” told you 20 years ago. And IM wrong? Your point isn't even feasible in reality, let alone it making ANY sense.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Yes Martin...do note the one flaw in your above argument....the ship has to be stationary to have a limpet mine attached within the relative calm waters and safety of a harbor :) not moving in a force 8 gale in the South Atlantic

    Still awaiting the casualty reports among the Argentine navy due to limpet mines LOLZ xxxx

    175 Nicodume (youtube name) the illegitimate offspring of Nick Griffin is still at it again, daddy must be proud of his sons Islamophobia :)

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Rhaurie:

    Then again. Perhaps they just loaded divers in the torpedo tubes shot them out and they exploded on contact.

    Man-torpedos.

    Cheaper than using a normal torpedo?

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Like these Zethee?

    http://silentseawolvesmsw.devhub.com/blog/463823-japanese-one-man-human-torpedoes/

    Martins mate must be one of the few survivors of these heroic missions :)

    Still awaiting the amount of Argentine naval tonnage sunk by limpet mines, I guess that information must be so super top secret, that only Martin and this bloke he “met” know about the true total of Argentine ships sunk by Limpet mines, not even the Argentine navy is privy to this information XD

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    I never said the Belgrano was sunk by a Limpet mine.

    Maybe you shouldn't drink so much Zethee... ;-)

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Oh my dear Martin you were positively frothing at the mouth when you quote stated:

    “I met a bloke who said he fought in the Malvinas war as a US navy diver, placing mines on Argentine ships”

    Now cough up.....how many Argentine ships were sunk by limpet mines in the Falklands war :)

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Oh you won't get that info Rhaurie. He'll just avoid the questions he can't answer.

    Martin: I believe conversing with you is compelling me to.

    So what exactly are you claiming. Your “friend” who was a limpet miner who.....didn't do any limpet mining..?

    The Argentinian navy went back to port not because of the giant hole a torpedo put in the side of it...But because of Navy SEALS who didn't blow up any ships...

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    The funny part is i dropped this argument because as someone pointed out it's mean to tease someone who's clearly lost it. He's so mental that he took this as a sign of winning the argument and brought it back up.

    I also find it quite amusing that the Argentinian navy, scared of limpet mines would go back to port...Where they are vulnerable to limpet mines.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    198,

    “how many Argentine ships were sunk by limpet mines in the Falklands war”

    Probably none, like I said, he probably never got the chance to deploy the mines. I must have said that ten times by now.

    You dropped the argument Zethee, because you were either too drunk to continue or you knew you were wrong.

    Divers do attach mines to the bottom of ships, they're called Limpet mines.

    The US Navy diver gave me no specifics, just that he was in Malvinas in 1982 and that his job was to attach mines to the bottom of Argentine ships.

    For the 11th time, he probably never got the chance.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    I met a bloke at my cousins wedding many years ago, he was ex-royal navy and he did Limpet mining, oh yes I said, then he dropped the bombshell......he said he did it in North Vietnam during the Vietnamese war....LOL talk about Captain Bullshit.....Perhaps hes the same bloke?

    better check on ARRSE's walt thread then :)

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    202,

    Ah... jokes, when incorrect divert attention, I get it... ;-)

    Kind of early to be drinking... don't you think?

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    202 Rhaurie-Craughwell:

    Yeah theres always a SAS bloke in every pub. You do have to be a right tit to actually believe what they say. And a total window licker to try and defend his claims with no facts proof or even logic.

    “The US Navy diver”

    He wasn't JUST a US Navy diver. That man was a Navy SEAL. Yes, a man you randomly met claimed to be a special forces navy diver.

    “Divers do attach mines to the bottom of ships, they're called Limpet mines. ”

    In port. Not at sea.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Not really its good Friday a day off work, the weather is warm and lovely and the midges aren't to troublesome.....perfect day for cracking out the Barbie, and the cans and putting my marvellous Intel Macbook on wi-fi outside....

    And no the above was not a joke....it's true, I left the old bugger to his deluded fantasies....

    As for you I'm still hoping you're going to say its a joke ha ha about your mate from the dolphin super human mining unit, because nobody could be that gullible or clueless :)

    I see you've downgraded your lie/made the fool/both (delete as appropriate) from he “put mines on ships”...to he “probably” never got the chance.....nice bit of back tracking there amigo..

    You still haven't adressed why divers would be used instead of actually sinking ships with Torpedo ho ho ;)

    Is it logical assume that If I continue my remorseless baiting campaign, I might land the wopper and get a confession of I was “duped” by a walter mitty idiot? Or I'm a lying cunt making up tales to try and win arguments

    One can only hope in this day and age ho ho

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Did I say where he intended to attach the mines?

    ;-)

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    So your navy retreated because of limpet miners to the only place a limpet miner could attack them, in port?

    This is fun!

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    207,

    No, the Navy probably retreated because of torpedo attacks by subs, all our ships were being tracked by US satellites. If I had to guess I'd say the US Navy intended to attach mines to ships anchored in Malvinas... there weren't very many, if any. Reason why they never got the chance to attach the mines.

    Anyway… I met this man in February of 1992, at National Car Rental of Salt Lake City International airport. I was there with a friend who worked at the car rental place, we went there to pick up his paycheck. While I was waiting I started chatting with this guy, and when I told him I was from Argentina he told me about his role in the war as a US Navy diver.

    This really isn't even a big deal, it may come as a surprise for you drunken losers but the US was involved in the war.

    That's it, get over it… have another drink by the end of the day you won't even remember we've had this conversation. lol

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “and when I told him I was from Argentina he told me about his role in the war as a US Navy diver. ”

    “At that point I told him where I was from, he shut up, stared at me for an instant and walked away”

    “I don't think the reason why our Naval fleet withdrew from the confrontation was the UK”

    “No, the Navy probably retreated because of torpedo attacks by subs”

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Drew Puli Wolf

    NicoDin - I have relatives who are Mexican-Americans, and I can assure you they do not want to be part of Mexico. They are quite happy being US citizens, some proudly served in the US Armed Forces. The ones that had Mexican Citizenships and a US Green Cards became US citizens. By the third generation most can’t speak Spanish. If you took a vote to stay in the US it would win hands down. Actually that Mexican-American are some fifth column that wants to give back the Western US to Mexico is a racist myth used by anti-Latinos. I’m surprised that a Latin American would bring it up – if you are from Latin America. For Martin_Fierro – No it not just the war. Argentina now has economic problems (sound familiar) – for one thing; it has one of the highest inflation rates in Latin America. So what does the government do – start talking about the Malvinas. It’s an offend used tactic by governments in trouble – play the victim card and rally around the flag. I’m just saying you should use your proud passion for your country to fix the important things that count; the Malvinas/Falklands are not one of them.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    “No, the Navy probably retreated because of torpedo attacks by subs, all our ships were being tracked by US satellites. If I had to guess I'd say the US Navy intended to attach mines to ships anchored in Malvinas... there weren't very many, if any. Reason why they never got the chance to attach the mines. ”

    Why would America want to attack Argentina?

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Drew Puli Wolf

    To answer 211 ljb - as much as Reagan loved Right Wing Dictators, he loved Thacker more. Plus Americans are by nature Anglophiles. Look at all the attention being given to the royal wedding in the US Press.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Martin, there is just no evidence alsewhere of any USA direct involvement though! Unlike say the RAF getting radars etc into Chile - yes plenty of that. Arg did try to get exocets from/through Peru - yes - but the UK managed to prevent it.
    What is of course clear is that when the peace talks collapsed, US openly sided with UK and made weaponsales available- but no direct participation. Similarily NZ backed UK and made a NZ warship available to replace the RN prescence in the far East thus releasing another British frigate to join the task force. I think US did the same in the Carribean and thus HMS Exeter appeared here.
    Likewise there is no evidence of USA providing satellite info to UK - thats the chief reason why the Belgrano was attacked - the Task Force suspected a pincer attack(they were correct) and they did NOT know where the northern pincer(your carrier group)was! So the only answer was to remove the one half they did know about.
    212- correct, when the chips are down USA and UK stick together!

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    I wonder if we have super human suicide bombers like the US does.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    @212.
    So the whole basis of America attacking argie ships (which they didn't) is Reagan fancied Thatcher.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    And because Martins SEAL friends told him so.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    Why would US Navy Seals be deployed to the Falkland Islands in 1982?

    We have our own Special Forces for that purpose, called the SBS, and it is documented that they were in the Falkland Islands in 1982.

    This whole argument looks to be wind and piss, and as the story came via a public house I suggest alcohol has also played a major part in the creation of it.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    cos' someone told martin 20 years ago he was a SEAL.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Jokes aside it's just martin making stuff up. First time he claimed the “SEAL” was talking to him about the war and once he mentioned he was Argentinian the “SEAL” walked off. Then earlier today he got talking to the “SEAL” told him he was Argentinian and then the “SEAL” told him all the information.

    “You, WestisBest and Zethee have a lot in common, no dignity to admit when you're wrong. ”
    “Like I said, no dignity.”

    I'm intrested to see if he practices what he preaches. :-)

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    219,
    “I'm intrested to see if he practices what he preaches.”

    I do, you however are in no position to judge. All you do is take things out of context and put words in other people's mouths, and you're so stupid and drunk that you forget what you said... like your theory about “super human divers” that attach mines on ships while cruising at speed. Pathetic...

    I don't think the reason why our Naval fleet withdrew from the confrontation was just because of the UK... but because our ships were being watched by US satellites. Too easy for the UK to wait for information and pick our ships one by one, reason why the 25 De Mayo aircraft carrier was withdrawn back to base.

    And yes, the US Navy officer who told me about the mines did walk away from me, but not after I told him I was from Argentina, I remembered that wrong the first time. I must have said something else to him but I honestly can't remember what it was.

    Makes no difference, it did happen. And you're still a lying drunken loser.

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “put words in other people's mouths”
    I simply displayed your own words Martin.

    - and you're so stupid and drunk that you forget what you said
    - I must have said something else to him but I honestly can't remember what it was.

    THE IRONY, IT BURNS!

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    Whatever Martin. With the advantages you had over the British Task Force you should have been able to paste them if your Navy had been prepared to wade in, Your precious Navy bottled it mate.

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    @220. Getting rather angry aren't you. I find it amazing that you could meet a stranger and believe everything he said. Talk about nieve!!

    This whole story of yours reminds me of your country's claim to have sunk HMS Invincible. Flawed from start to finish.

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    http://information.usnavyseals.com/2009/07/10-ways-to-spot-fake-us-navy-seal.html

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    This article is for Argentines only, or any one of you capable of understanding Spanish (highly doubt it).

    Operation 'Algeciras' was a mission that was to be carried out by Argentine operatives in Gibraltar, in order to sink RN ships destined for Malvinas in 1982, with Italian-built Limpet mines.

    I haven't read the article in its entirety but I'm posting it anyway.
    http://interdefensa.argentinaforo.net/t1719-operacion-algeciras-la-operacion-que-pudo-haber-cambiado-el-curso-de-la-historia

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Or in english if you google it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Algeciras

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    226,

    Nice, I'll read it later.

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    225 Martin, I like this part “Los españoles nos trataron muy bien. -recuerda- vino uno y nos dijo: Hombre, si yo hubiera sabido que ibais a hundir un barco inglés os dejaba. Después de todo, el Peñón de Gibraltar también es territorio usurpado por Inglaterra.”
    For the Brutish:
    “The spaniards treated us very well, and one said: If I knew you were going to sink an English ship I would let you. After all Gibraltar was taken away by England”

    Apr 24th, 2011 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    I seriously do not believe that the US was giving reliable satellite information on the movements of the Argentine Navy, since at the time the Belgrano task group was spotted the SSN merely waited while another SSN was trying to find the 25th May task group.

    Had there been satellite data available from the US, surely the second SSN would have taken a course directly towards the 25th May task group rather than fail to discover its whereabouts?

    The decision was made by Thatcher to sink the Belgrano with the first SSN while they had the contact, and its task group dispersed back to port without picking up Belgrano survivors in the water. The 25th May task group was then ordered to port due to the risk that the aircraft carrier would be sunk, like the Belgrano.

    Had satellite data been available, and both the Belgrano and 25th May found at the same time, no doubt both would have been sunk as the order would have been given for a coordinated attack.

    The result was the same in any event, the 25th May stayed in port for the rest of the conflict, and its sailors all survived.

    Why do we keep talking about shoulda, woulda, coulda, scenarios about a war that was unnecessary, caused immense loss of life, and is best left to history?

    Apr 24th, 2011 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    206...do I need to refresh your memory....

    post 50:

    “I met a man once in the US, he started talking about his service in the Navy, he said he was deployed in the Malvinas war, 1982. I asked him what his job was, he didn't know where I was from yet. He said, that his job was to dive under the Argentine ships and attach bombs to their hulls. At that point I told him where I was from, he shut up, stared at me for an instant and walked away”

    Oh yeah here's the URL in case you forget your own cock and bull stories

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/03/19/oil-legislation-to-obstrut-falklands-industry-a-boomerang-for-argentine-companies-says-fco

    Your mate would have had a hard time trying to mine Argentine ships in the Falklands....there weren't any after the Belgrano was sunk....So your telling us that despite having all your ships under satellite observation by the US, the US navy deployed these divers to sink non existent ships :)

    Tell me amigo when you lived in Salt Lake city, was your job as a professional hole digger....because that's what your clearly doing at the minute LOLz

    Apr 24th, 2011 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Rhaurie: Did you see this one he said about me?

    “like your theory about “super human divers” that attach mines on ships while cruising at speed. Pathetic””

    MY Theory!

    Apr 24th, 2011 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Martin_Fierro is an angry little man living in fantasyland it seems. Or maybe he is just a liar?

    Apr 24th, 2011 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Well i don't know Isolde, Seems like it really.

    This seal was telling him about how awesome he was untill Martin told him he was Argentinian and then the seal walked off.

    He forgot about this and his next story was that after he told him he was Argentinian he started telling Martin how he was an awesome navy seal but the seal walked off after he said something to..He forgot what he said to him.

    Talking about US submarines other day, then claims he didn't the next day...Forgot about that too.

    Even tried blaming me for making this story other day. I guess he forgot he was the one telling the story.

    This is from a man who said:
    ”I have really good memory, works in my favor. ;-)“

    Claimed the Argentinian fleet didn't retreat because of the UK, Guess he forgot about that too saying they ”probably“ retreated because of the torpedos from UK subs in this thread.

    But you know, What do i know? After all im just a drunk who is:
    ”so stupid and drunk that you forget what you said”

    Apr 24th, 2011 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Its quite tragic really :) first he says the ARA retreated because there were “too many submarines” although this logic falls flat on its arse because Argentina had only 4 ships capable of anti-submarine warfare, and 2 of those failed to prevent the sinking of the Belgrano, so how could they have known.

    Also the South Atlantic due to submerged icebergs, whales and dozens of Shipwrecks is notorious for creating false sonar echos and sightings, RN ships had apparently by the end of the war expended nearly their entire arsenal of depth charges and torpedos attacking pretty much false echos http://www.twogreens.co.uk/navy/FALKLANDS/falklands.html
    and they didn't exactly scuttle back to port did they :)

    But with all these false readings, just think what psychological damage would have been done to their navy, when out of a dozen suspected readings, only one was real :)

    Nope it must have been the super genetically modified US navy SEALS chasing after ships across the South Atlantic as stated by Martin the American :)

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Funny, Rhaurie. He was following this thread so closely. Do you think? no...It wouldn't be. Did he forget?

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    Self determination is a pathetic excuse by the Brits, since it's obvious the majority of the citizens of the Islas Malvinas are of english background probably at 95%, but if the majority where of some other European extract they would have chosen to be Argentine instead .

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljb

    @236. “Self determination is a pathetic excuse by the Brits”
    Thats just a pathetic comment by a brain dead buffoon. The Falklanders have lived on the Falklands for ~170 years, since when do they not have the right to self determination? Argentina has never owned the Falklands, you have NO right to those islands.

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “but if the majority where of some other European extract they would have chosen to be Argentine instead ”

    So because they dont choose to be Argentinian they aren't entitled to Self Determination.

    You do realise that Self Determination IS power of choise.

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Well Zethe, what I forgot to add was, he stated it was legions of american subs that forced the ARA to port, and then in this thread I note it is now that they were being monitored by US satellites :)

    Of course there is one flaw with the satellites theory, the weather, in that part of the world the weather is pure unadulterated shite and thus overcast most of the time, especially in winter, why get the US to spend millions repositioning spy satellites for the one chance that there would be a break in the clouds to spot 12 vessels, when you had the simple cheap time honored technique of intercepting radio transmissions via our good friend the Nimrod R1...and of ocurse last but not least, you cannot detect if your being monitored by satellites XD So how would they have known.

    Tigre....does stupidity come naturally to you??? the majority of the Falklands population are actually descended from Scots and Cornish, celts if you will. Your logic falls arse over head again! And what evidence prey do you have which states that had they been any other they would have willingly jumped into bed with Argentina? None...so shut up child you have no idea what your talking about....:)
    If self-determination is a “pathetic excuse”, why prey did Argentina use it to gain independence from Spain...You only say its pathetic because the logic of self-determination is sound and makes Argentina's arguments that the islanders aren't allowed it look very awkward and anachronistic XD LOL give us another twatter2000 ha ha!

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    I think he's given up trying now. His new tactic is just to call me a drunk then not reply when he can't argue his point.

    Quite funny really :-)

    Apr 26th, 2011 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    I do love Americans, their dreadfully funny......especially when they pretend to be another nationality because their great great great grandfather had a dog who emigrated there :)
    The trouble is they seem to take their adopted nationality way to seriously.....cute but annoying ;)

    Apr 27th, 2011 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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