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“Justice has been done”, said Obama announcing the killing of Bin Laden
Osama Bin Laden, the mastermind of the most devastating attack on United States soil in modern times and the most hunted man in the world, was killed in a fire-fight with US forces in Pakistan on Sunday, President Obama announced. Read full article
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May 02nd, 2011 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0not Osama bin Ladin......
I don't understand your point. It is well known that Osama Bin Laden was promoted - mostly by him - as a figurehead for Al-Qaeda but that he did not operate in isolation. Nor did he mastermind all of the terrorist attacks. But he did claim 'credit' for many atrocities including 9/11. I don't think the significance of this should be undermined by pedantics.
May 02nd, 2011 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Osama bin Laden is not born 1957....retired man..
May 02nd, 2011 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mujahideen...Taliban ...projection has been very old , formed in 1958
They have been formed and ruled in Pakistan Army.....
Tora Bora Cave Complex was very important as operation center and
has many biological-chemical weapons.........still has...
Osama bin Laden had close relation with Yasser Arafat....
That's damned bad form, killing your mortal enemy - especially one that has had so much money invested in making him the Incarnation Of The Devil.
May 02nd, 2011 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is always necessary to have a Devil-Figure to focus national attention on the-enemy-without.
Who is lined-up by the US Administration for Devil-Replacement?
Gaddaffi? - too short-term.
It will have to be an Iranian, unless the US wants to prospectively start demonizing the Chinese.
Watch this space
How weird is that the troops decided to get rid of his body so fast! I'm not usually of the conspiracy theorist type, but bin Laden's death is doubtful. His “death” is just too convenient for the government: 1 - Obama's seeking reelection; 2 - the “death” is likely to reanimate Americans to support interventions abroad. That is significant considering polls show Americans are divided on the intervention in Libya - an understandable position considering the years of setbacks in Iraq and Afghanistan.
May 02nd, 2011 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.iwallerstein.com/warweariness-united-states/
I want to raise the question, it didn't happen during GW's Administration .... that is VERY questionable ......just a thought
May 02nd, 2011 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 The US election is too far off, imo, for it to affect the outcome.
May 02nd, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Disposing of the body was always going to be conspiracy theory fodder but look at the alternative. If the body were at an accessable location it would create major problems.
I think the US tried to avoid criticism of offending muslims by ensuring 'burial' within 24 hours. OBL was born in Yemen but a Saudi citizen (although in recent times that was taken from him) so the body was offered to the Saudi government; they refused it. Where else could they possibly bury it? Any thoughts anyone?
Unless the US government are supremely stupid they will have collected enough DNA, photographic, video evidence to prove this was OBL.
On a side note, I love that Donald Trump's programme Celebrity Apprentice was interrupted by the President's announcement. Donald trump is such a prick.
@ElaineB
May 02nd, 2011 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's what one's waiting for - evidence. As for Saudi Arabia, I didn't know the body had before been offered to its government. But then again, what does this mean? Saudi Arabia's regime is deeply embedded with the US government. If Sweden, a “neutral” country, can collaborate in the promotion of the darkest points of the US agenda - e.g., Assange's arrest - then one can't really expect anything less weird from S. Arabia.
By the way, I don't think 2011 is too distant. Plus, bin Laden's death may also serve bipartisan purposes - to increase support for military interventions, for example.
*2012
May 02nd, 2011 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would say neatly done USA as regards disposal of the body. First offer it to Saudi certainly, that shows respect etc, but no way Saudis would want it!! Last thing anybody in the world wants is a shrine site where all the fanatical nutters can go and rant and be a focal point for evermore.
May 02nd, 2011 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sea burial was the best method, no doubt with an Imman in the back of the plane to say the appropriate words as he was dropped out over the Indian Ocean.
No doubt USA will provide the world with proof of his ID in the next few days as the story unravels.
Big surprise to me was that US Special Forces pulled it off without either killing half of themselves or the wrong people! Must be a long time since they got it right on their own! But anyway well done USA and a good day for freedom and democracy- one nasty tyrant less, and all those families of his victimes -many of them were muslims - can get some satisfaction and “closure” from it.
Conspiracy or not, as Forgetit points out it is very good timing for Obama. I don't think its too early for the election, it will no doubt get discussed at great length on the campaign trail (I wonder if Donald Trump will demand to see the death certificate if he's running against Obama), and the surge in patriotism will inevitably help the war in Libya.
May 02nd, 2011 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I heard they only got him after he disguised himself as a British soldier! ;)
They must release photos/videos of his corpse though.
Now to enjoy everlasting world peace.........
News is still filtering through but, apparently, DNA gives a match of 99.9%. ( I am not sure they have emailed it to Forgetit yet : )) And as he was hit in the head with two bullets they are reluctant to release photos but I expexct they will emerge.
May 02nd, 2011 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OBL was washed and given the appropriate rites for a muslim burial, though I wasn't aware that dumping a body in the sea is considered' appropriate'.
I assume offering to repatriate the body to Saudi Arabia was another attempt to assuage criticism. All part of international conventions, I think. But as they withdrew his citizenship a while ago I can see why they didn't want his body.
Definitely this is a feather in Obama's cap but voters have notoriously short memories and a week in politics is a long time, let alone months. If it works in his favour then I say it is great.
@10. I confess the same thought ran through my mind. How did the US soldiers pull off such a well executed plan? Probably a bit uncharitable but they do have a dubious record.
Obozo is going to win the elections in 2012.
May 02nd, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They could not time this better. They've done it again to distract the people from the real problems in the US and meanwhile the debt ceiling is being raised again (high unemployment, rising gas and food prices and a decline in property values and the dollar what leads to the lower standing of living in the US)
You think Obama was responsible for the state of the US economy? The Bush administration left the problem for Obama to pick up. If anyone thought it could be done in a couple of years they were deluded. An economy takes years to turn around.
May 02nd, 2011 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope Obama gets longer to make an impression. JMO
To be fair, I think Obama would win the next election even if he had chosen Bin Laden as his running mate, and cracked 9/11 jokes at the debates.
May 02nd, 2011 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Republicans are a shambles with no real stand-out candidate. Palin? Huckerbee? Romney? Trump? None of them stand a chance.
“Whenever America uses violence in a way that makes its citizens cheer, beam with nationalistic pride, and rally around their leader, more violence is typically guaranteed. Futile decade-long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan may temporarily dampen the nationalistic enthusiasm for war, but two shots to the head of Osama bin Laden -- and the We are Great and Good proclamations it engenders -- can easily rejuvenate that war love. One can already detect the stench of that in how Pakistan is being talked about: did they harbor bin Laden as it seems and, if so, what price should they pay? We're feeling good and strong about ourselves again -- and righteous -- and that's often the fertile ground for more, not less, aggression.”
May 02nd, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/02/bin_laden/index.html
As a non-American, the only aspect of US politics I'm interested in is foreign policy. As such I'd like to see someone in the anti-war left (Kucinich, for example) or the anti-war right (eg, Ron Paul) getting a ticket. Obama has not altered Bush's clumsy, self-defeating foreign policy, and neither will any Republican contender except for Ron Paul. If anything, Palin, Bachmann and other Tea Party names represent an even more blatant push for US military jingoism.
May 02nd, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 :To be fair, I think Obama would win the next election even if he had chosen Bin Laden as his running mate, and cracked 9/11 jokes at the debates...... Hilarious but true !! Mr O will be re elected no doubt, another case of “ no opposition”?? like CFK?
May 02nd, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As a non-American, the only aspect of US politics I'm interested in is foreign policy. As such I'd like to see someone in the anti-war left (Kucinich, for example) or the anti-war right (eg, Ron Paul) getting a ticket. Obama has not altered Bush's clumsy, self-defeating foreign policy, and neither will any Republican contender except for Ron Paul. If anything, Palin, Bachmann and other Tea Party names represent an even more blatant push for US military jingoism.
May 02nd, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kucinich doesn't have a chance and I love Ron Paul, he calls it the way he sees it, that's why he doesn't have a chance either . How about Newt Gingrich? (too many personal problems ....)
May 02nd, 2011 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You think Obama was responsible for the state of the US economy?
May 02nd, 2011 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Answer no. He is “one” of the clowns of destroying the US economy, and take a good look at all the fear mongering, restrictions they come up with that fits their neoliberal economic policies. they are making progress while keep the majority of the public blind.
“An economy takes years to turn around.”
ElaineB, so long they keep the zombie banks alive with all the stimilus packages (QE's), while most of foreign nations have no appetite at all for worthless US treasury bills, the US economy keeps draining slowly into a black hole.
[] Fido
May 02nd, 2011 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you from Netherland ? true !
do you heed of-- AIVD -- when writing comments ?
I guess you know AIVD.
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[] Elaine ---
Your comments are modest but very logical....go on !
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[] Forgetit 86,5
give up to write these absurd ,manipulative links,
your ideas always have been more smarter for us...
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[] Ed
Geeeee..... !
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[] artilero
Your undistractive comments are always hobby for me...
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[] Frase
express your ideas please ..
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[] GeoffWard
i have no idea yet....
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[] Think
he is alive ?.....
@ 22 ..Your undistractive comments are always hobby for me... ????
May 02nd, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] artillero --
May 02nd, 2011 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just simple , they are worthy for me when not dilatory...
I can bet on the highly mostly US officials read our comments to
learn somethings...
I normally disagree wit this NGO…………. But not this time.
May 03rd, 2011 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“In the face of a man's death, a Christian never rejoices, but reflects on the serious responsibilities of each person before God and before men, and hopes and works so that every event may be the occasion for the further growth of peace and not of hatred,” Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi said.
“I guess you know AIVD. ”
May 03rd, 2011 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0You guess right that I know the AIVD. It's a mickey mouse club that protects Holland from Terrorrrr..and ugly brits with bad teeth who invade the motherland with immoral behavior (smoke pot and pay illegal, non paying tax male hookers for sex)..ugh. Okay that's a silly joke. back to the issue.
OBL created by FEAR...
The Power of Nightmares, (Part 1/3), “Baby it's Cold Outside”
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727#
The Power of Nightmares Part 2: The Phantom Victory -- by Adam Curtis
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727#
The Power of Nightmares Part 3: The Shadows in the Cave
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727#
Fake powerful Islamists/neo-islamists and power greed war monger neo-conservatives (not in the clips, but just to know: neo-liberals are more dangerous, they invented real weapons of mass destruction called, CDO'S and bogus free trade policies)
[] Fido
May 03rd, 2011 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know truely .
This morning, I watched *Russia Today Tv*..which is Julian Assange's
conversation with Laura Emmett there ...he says Twitter,Facebook,
Google , Yahoo works on integrated with American Intelligence Units...
Osama Bin Laden ( face) doesn't look like Arabs ...!!
May 03rd, 2011 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is Asymmetric War !
May 03rd, 2011 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 025 - I'm not a Christian, but I'd agree with those sentiments.......
May 03rd, 2011 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 25 Me too.
May 03rd, 2011 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope the US government does not release photographs of OBL's body as it just feeds the more voyeuristic and no amount of evidence will ever satisfy the enthusiastic conspiracy theorists.
Have the DNA evidence verified by a number of independent doctors, if necessary, and leave it at that.
Whilst I agree that some people won't believe it even if insurmountable evidence were presented, I do think a certain degree of skepticism regarding what governments say is healthy. Particularly after the last decade or so.
May 03rd, 2011 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but, correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been any independent verification yet.
It's early days though, so I guess we'll see what comes out.....
“I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but, correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been any independent verification yet”.
May 03rd, 2011 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not yet but I am guessing the US government doesn't want to do anything that upsets peaceful muslims. I think the gradual release of information shows more respect IMO. I really hope they don't release the photos but it appears the media are putting the pressure on.
You are right, it is early days.
“This morning, I watched *Russia Today Tv*..which is Julian Assange's
May 04th, 2011 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0conversation with Laura Emmett there ...he says Twitter,Facebook,
Google , Yahoo works on integrated with American Intelligence Units... ”
MSM (Main stream Media) already bragged about that, but know that nobody believes that, because they truly think and believe Americans are dumb f##k twitter freaks, farmville players, and enjoy dancing with the stars at night.
Once you live in the US, and watch the news (CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, FOX, HLN) with an open mind, you will realize how they spin the truth with a lie so that it becomes the truth that fits the political agenda of the political group they support (MSNBC for the DEMS, FOX for the GOP)..that's MSM.
[] Fido
May 04th, 2011 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0according to you..the AIVD is listening into UEFA , FIFA.... ??
Nobody can convince me that Osama Bin Laden is Arab !
May 04th, 2011 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0His faces does look like Caucasians !...possibly Chechen !
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May 04th, 2011 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“” They have been formed and ruled in Pakistan army ...“”
Would we paraphrase the same model for Latin America done ,
Would we say that ;
“”The Montoneros have been formed and ruled in Argentine Army “” ??
according to you..the AIVD is listening into UEFA , FIFA.... ??
May 05th, 2011 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What?
Nobody can convince me that Osama Bin Laden is Arab !
His faces does look like Caucasians !...possibly British ! Look at his teeth.
@ 37 ” “”The Montoneros have been formed and ruled in Argentine Army “” ?? ...... what you are saying is hipotetical correct?
May 06th, 2011 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem that I have with US foreign policy is the following, Today you are in the CIA payroll and tomorrow you are Enemy number 1,. How do you jump from being and allied and friend to be an enemy ? (why do people pull a 180 on the US) Examples? OBL, Saddam Hussein, Noriega ....... any ideas?
[] artillero
May 06th, 2011 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Montoneros had captured and lost by ESMA ! ( 1) .... true !
You said that “”.. they are living with fake passports and fake identities
at anywhere in the world ...“” ( 2 )
(1) ---- (2) : what it tells us !.. the Montoneros was ruled in the Army !
@40 Vamos a hablar en Castellano para que me entiendas. La Escuela de Mecanica de la Armada fue un lugar y no un organismo como el Ejercito. No podes decir que Campo de Mayo destruyo el terrorismo correcto? Con respecto a los pasaportes falsos e identidades falsas hay demasiada evidencia de eso y no te hagas el pelotudo !! El Ejercito tuvo una tremenda victoria militar contra la subversion pero al mismo tiempo una tremenda derrota politica ......Se entiende o no?
May 06th, 2011 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] 41
May 06th, 2011 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Montoneros had captured and lost by ESMA -- ( 1 )
The are living with the fake passports,fake identities at anywhere in the world -- ( 2 )
( 1 ) + ( 2 ) = The Montoneros organization was ruled in the Army !
@42 ..geo? what are you smoking?? you need to stop and call 911 right away ....
May 06th, 2011 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] 43
May 06th, 2011 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't worry and don't fear !!
@ 44 ... I fear 2 things in life Geo 1) Our Lord Jesus Christ and 2) The Internal Revenue Service ...... that's about it .
May 07th, 2011 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0[] 45 --artilo
May 07th, 2011 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I mention the unseen part of Iceberg...
You mention the seen part of Iceberg...
'“Justice has been done”, said Obama.'
May 07th, 2011 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've been thinking about the different justices meeted out in different circumstances.
Sure, justice needs to be *seen to be done* otherwise it is just retribution. . . and a lot of justice is just that. Hence the South American Amnesty - De-amnesty - Amnesty - De-amnesty cycles.
Some justice needs the drawn-out-ness of years of International Court proceedings where, paradoxically, the audience tires before the accused.
Like Milosevic http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/2007/04/milosevics-death-saved-serbia-from.html . Like Saddam Hussein (enough said).
But some justice is rightly, in my opinion, summary.
Bin Ladin's killing comes into this category. And I place bin Laden, and not Che Guevara, in the category because of the the extension of terror-killings into the civilian population (9/11).
Bin Laden was exterminated through summary justice -
it is no surprise that Judge Dredd was a Son of the American Revolution.
This cannot happen to Gaddaffi, where international Due Process is necessary to give *time* for transition, in a country where potential leaders and alternative governments have been constantly extirpated over many years.
The one that surprises me is Mugabe in Zimbabwe, where judgements are 'self-evident' and where 'judicial action' - of the type we see in the Ivory Coast - is conspicuous by its absence.
A tyrant, a dictator, self-imposed and self-maintained by the warping of democracy should surely be judged by Dredd.
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