UK government will not move to block a referendum on Scottish independence, the Secretary of State for Scotland Liberal Democrat MP Michael Moore has said adding constitutional questions raised about the rights or wrongs of holding a vote would not be raised. Read full article
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Congratulations Scotland! Please send Justin Kuntz back to England.May 09th, 2011 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Not even the SNP believe that they would win such a referendum .. which is why it's all being postponed for 4 years ... :-)May 09th, 2011 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Of course if they decided to leave the UK we could become - 'Britannia, Northern Ireland and the British Territories', or even Albion, Northern Ireland and the British Islands”.
After all, we have islands everywhere :-)
London will not block referendum on Scottish independenceMay 09th, 2011 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Pity the argies dont take the hint and drop their spurious claim to the Falklands
I see Margot continues in typical Argentine style, vindictively advocating forced deportation of anyone he dislike even though they were born there.May 09th, 2011 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Another nail in Argentine's coffin in the South Atlantic.
Anybody notice the crashing sense of irony by Morecrap? He opposes Self-determination of the Islanders as this would apparently violate Argentinas Territorial Integrity......Yet is supporting a political party whose aim is to violate the territorial integrity of UK through an act of self-determination by my fellow countrymen :) dear dear me Morecrap :)May 09th, 2011 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
4 and 5 One would suppose that it would be accorded universally to those inhabitants by the UK government. The sad fate of the Chagos islanders proves otherwise.May 09th, 2011 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Stop hiding yourselves behind the non sense Self determination like little girls behind your mothers skirts.
My Island Home - Chagos Islands
Independence from & for what?May 09th, 2011 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
From the UK
From the EU
From the UN SC
For Foreign Affairs
For the National Health Service
For Social Services
It costs a lot more money than Scotland could negotiate out of the Independence deal, for Scotland to run itself as a First World enterprise.
Good luck to Scotland if they choose to go down this route; the last time it happened the Scottish begged to come back in the Act of Union.
Now, the EU gives Scotland a chance of being both separate and together at the same time.
And yes, it gives England the chance of operating
*in the interests of England*
(and of Wales on non-Assembly matters).
Correction Geoff, King James VI of Scotland imposed union upon the English.May 09th, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
By the way Kuntz, did Al Megrahi died already?May 09th, 2011 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Mr salmon ironically once said, why should we be ruled by an English government 800 miles away, who does not understand the scots or what we want,May 09th, 2011 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
typical political crap, a true corrupt self-grabbing politician, but will he convince the Scottish people.
[oh by the way, ,,the things he forgot to tell them]
1, the truth
2, Scotland has never been ruled by an English government at Westminster since 1707..
3, there has never been an English government since 1707.
4, they put in approx. 10 billion, the UK gives back in proportion cir [30 billion]
5, Mr Salmon had already approached the EU about funding, for when that day comes
6, the Eu stated they would replace and give what they needed for a short time, under certain conditions, one being Scotland would have to sign up to the European union in their own right to qualify,[seems ok so far]
7, what he was hiding was the following
we don’t want to be ruled by a freely elected English government 800 miles away, but are willing to be ruled by an unelected government 1,000 miles away,
the short of it is, if they go the united kingdom will no longer exist [ever] she won’t be allowed to come back as [Scotland/united kingdom] at a later date, as it will no longer exist, depending on the welsh, you may very well see a [united great Britain]
[British] not the UK but just, great Britain, wales/England/n .Ireland. Just possibly reduced to county status, replace by great Britain, [nothing changes but the name
but of course Scotland may well succeed and enter the European union as an independent Scotland, until such time as it is the united states of Europe, and Scotland will become European citizens , blue flag/gold stares,
, a northern Provence of mighty France, perhaps.
no NHS, Scotland’s decision and Scotland’s fate, ?
personally I hope they stay .
Dodging the question again Morecrap?....I said how can you deny self-determination of the islanders on the basis of territorial integrity yet support the same thing for Scotland....come come little Morecrap :) I'm dying to know XD.May 10th, 2011 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Geoff......It was only thanks to the sheer incompetence of Labour (who were set to win the election quite resoundingly 3 weeks ago) whose entire election campaign focused on saying the Tories in Westminster are nasty and seemingly being in complete ignorance of the fact they were campaigning for Holyrood elections, not Westminster ones, the result was they did not challenge in any effective manner many of the appalling lies which Salmond bribed the electorate with. (Free University tuition, free prescription charges, 100% powered by renewable energy by 2020, a New forth Road Bridge etc etc).
It is my opinion that Cameron should hold a snap UK wide referendum now, on breaking up the UK catch the SNP off guard, and when the inevitable No vote comes it will render the SNP as an impotent govt for the rest of their term in office, since their one aim has not been to govern the country, but to get an independence referendum through, with that one cherished aim all but gone, they will be open for being held to account properly on some of the more blatant lies.
I am of the opinion that Scotland could operate as an independent state for good reason, however it is the feasibility and to what extent it could operate, and I certainly do not think it will be the glorious Celtic Lion that fat windbag claims it will be, for the simple reason that out of the 2.5 million people who pay income tax in Scotland, only 48% of those work in the private sector, so just imagine what would happen to those 48% when the extra trappings of Statehood are gifted upon them, two choices emerge reduce the state, or raise the tax...massively....its a lose lose situation and one I'm surprised Labour have consistently failed to point out....
Some very good points.May 10th, 2011 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
To read some of the negative comments one would think Scotland was imprisoned by the UK rather than the truth, that it is a mutually beneficial alliance that actually favours Scotland financially.
Scotland's identity as a separate country is not in doubt. They have their own parliament. I cannot see what they have to gain.
As an english person I do hope Scotland chooses to stay within uk but with more powers devolved to Scotland and there Mp's barred from voting on Devolved issues in the westminster parliament.May 10th, 2011 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
However if scotland did go independent I would expect that bailout banks based in Edinburgh were transferred to Scotland at the earliest opportunity and as a goodwill gesture and demonstration of friendship Scotland can repay all English tax money that went on bailing out scottish banks.
A Sassenach turnip just said:May 10th, 2011 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
As a goodwill gesture and demonstration of friendship Scotland can repay all English tax money that went on bailing out scottish banks.
I Think they will gladly do so...... especially after, as a goodwill gesture and demonstration of friendship, England repays all 40 years of Scottish North Sea Oil money :-)))
Sadly think, you’re wrong again,May 10th, 2011 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The fact is this,
1, Scotland could not afford to pay the British people back,
[England does not exist for your purpose]
2, the North Sea oil, is NOT Scotland’s, this was proved many years ago
when Mr salmon stated it was Scotland’s, only to be humiliated by the stet lands and the other island groups, that it was theirs, not Scotland’s, and if Scotland went for independence, they would either vote to remain as part of Britain, or go back to Denmark,....
3, only united can we achieve the better things, rather than the break-up of the UK.
4, Mr salmon is only interested in himself, the rich-powerful-and corrupt will be the only benefactors of independence, and the Scottish people will lose out once again, just my opinion.
Who can blame the Scottish? Really...May 11th, 2011 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Who can blame the islanders? Really.....May 13th, 2011 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0