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Falklands/Argentina argument “begins and ends with self determination”
The basic argument between the Falkland Islands and Argentina “begins and ends with self determination”, underlined Martin Longden Deputy Director of Overseas Territories in an interview with Tony Curran published in the Falklands’ weekly Penguin News. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe Falkland Islanders were granted full British citizenship
May 10th, 2011 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0from January 1 / 1983 ...under the British Nationality
(Falkland Island) Act 1983......
Unless the Falkland Islanders decide otherwise, the Falkland Islands will remain British until the Islanders choose independence. And even then Britain WILL commit to their defence. Together with South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.
May 10th, 2011 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina needs to grow up and be satisfied with its 1,068,302 square miles of territory and stop trying to steal 4,700 square miles of land that has never belonged to it.
“begins and ends with self determination”
May 10th, 2011 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They Are Just Excuses.
Señor Longden, I say it again
One would suppose that it would be accorded universally to those inhabitants by the UK government. The sad fate of the Chagos islanders proves otherwise.
Stop hiding yourselves behind the non sense “Self determination” like little girls behind your mothers skirts.
“My Island Home - Chagos Islands”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFLhB_SkMIg
Marcos Alejandro dont waste your time, all of this is because the british realized we are winning power in our claim. selft determination is applied by the UN to NATIVE people under a colonialist potence control, and the kelpers are not a native people under a colonialist potence control because they ARE british, but they are saying ovr and over that they want self determination,
May 10th, 2011 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and now argentina have Unasur, OEA, Ibero-American summit, ASPA and others and they have nothing more than a few one like autralia, canada, new zeland and maybe sudafrica,
The poor “people” of the islands which is subject to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation and thus entitled to self determine? What a whimsical interpretation of reality and UN standards? These British guys are incredible! Tell us where that “people” is and we can engage in serious conversation. Not these bundle of UK subjects part of the British “family”, as considerately put by their caretaker in the FCO. Of course the argument begins snd ENDS with self determination as there's no one to self determine here: not only because I say so, besides the UN and the international community as a whole!
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May 10th, 2011 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, screwing over the Chagossians and denying them any right to self-determination = Wrong
But, screwing over the Falklanders and denying them any right to self-determination = Justice
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“selft determination is applied by the UN to NATIVE people under a colonialist potence control”
Interesting.....could you pass me a link to the UN document that specifies this?
I think you'll find that self-determination applies to everyone Searinox, after all no one is suggesting that at did not apply to, for instance, Argentina just because 'Argentinians' are not native to the area of South America that you call your own.
May 10th, 2011 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Searinox, so Self-determination only applies to native inhabitants does it?? Palestine is not a native populace, but your government supports their claim to self-determination. Argentina itself is not a Native population as the vast majority are implanted from Europe.
May 10th, 2011 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not “winning power” in your fictitious claim, the rest of the world couldn't careless with Argentina, Even Ireland is becoming sick of you.
Is the level of indoctrination really so deeply entrenched in Argentina?
As for Marcos, do you spend evey waking minute looking for anything that will discredit the British? I ask this because relocating a population is a far cry from the Argentinean conquest of Slaughter.
Sorry Searinox but you are totally wrong: self determination is applied by the UN to ALL people, under colonial rule or otherwise.
May 10th, 2011 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, where did you get it into your head that self determination is only for native people, whatever that means? 90% of Argentines have mostly European blood. I'd hardly call them native...
Who cares about what a Brit says, they are all liars.
May 10th, 2011 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please may someone help me to answer this about 2 possible self-determination scenarios in future :
May 10th, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) LEGALLY: All those “pakis” or indian people (withouth intenttion to offend) living in London (thousands btw) are “legal” inmigrants by law now.......can in the future (100 years when they´ll be millons maybe) call for self determination of the whole westminster area were they have their properties, bussines , etc ?
2) BY FORCE: If...only IF....the UK soldiers that invade Iraq, Afghanistan or Lybia decide to stay (perphaps in years also with family, friends, etc.) for develop the site etc.......in 100 years, when they could be thounsands , can call for self-determination of the place were they live ?
”1) LEGALLY: All those “pakis” or indian people (withouth intenttion to offend) living in London (thousands btw) are “legal” inmigrants by law now.......can in the future (100 years when they´ll be millons maybe) call for self determination of the whole westminster area were they have their properties, bussines , etc ? “
May 10th, 2011 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If over the next 100 years london became a place where the majority of the people there were not British and there was call for a vote of...London independance from..the UK? And the vote was in the ”pakis“ as you so eloquently put favor and and the majority of people in london no longer wanted to be part of the UK then yes it would, theoretically happen.
”2) BY FORCE: If...only IF....the UK soldiers that invade Iraq, Afghanistan or Lybia decide to stay (perphaps in years also with family, friends, etc.) for develop the site etc.......in 100 years, when they could be thounsands , can call for self-determination of the place were they live ?”
No, they aren't civilians.
12# all right, thanks for the answers.
May 10th, 2011 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit more complicated now...
1) Is possible make the referendum only in Westiminster área were “pakis” live for ensure the result ? in that sense, is possible today a paki politic start to make campaign and for sure in some years the next generation will born in a new state called for example Englastand under self-determination UN charter in the british point of view ? is this correct ? anyone else for comment ?
2) Lets suppose that soldiers bring with them their families and friends, remeber in a country with big autorities problems like Afghanistan, Lybia and Iraq Immigration formalities doesn´t work properly. All togheter (
descendants of the soldiers, their families, friends, etc.) in 100 years...could call for self determination under UN Charter in British point of view ?
1 yul
May 10th, 2011 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders were granted full British citizenship
from January 1 / 1983 ...under the British Nationality
(Falkland Island) Act 1983......
Yul,
All territories on the list have the full citizenship of their respective states. All the British, American, French, and New Zealand ones. Having full citizenship is no impediment to self determination.
4 Searinox
“selft determination is applied by the UN to NATIVE people under a colonialist potence control,”
The thing is, Searinox, is that the UN has never said any such thing. It couldn't say such a thing because several of the territories on the list do not have indigenous peoples. Some never had them, as they were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans.
Currently on the list 10 out of 16
Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Montserrat, Pitcairn Islands, Saint Helena (inc Tristan da Cunha), Turks and Caicos Islands, and US Virgin Islands.
Formerly on the list 13 out of 35
Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Cabo Verde, Cocos Islands, Guadaloupe,
Jamaica, Martinique, Mauritius, Réunion, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, and Seychelles
5 Alejomartinez
“The poor “people” of the islands which is subject to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation and thus entitled to self determine? “
Alejo
These are the first 2 articles of UNGA Resolution 1514
1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.
2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
Where does it say ONLY people 'subject to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation' are entitled to self-determination?
So far.
May 10th, 2011 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re your first example. Something like that is already happening in the UK today. Scotland is going to have a referendum to decide if it wants independence. The British Prime Minister is 100% behind this. I don't see why that should be any different for other parts of the UK, including your hypothetical example.
Somehow I don't see how your 2nd example would work, especially not in the UN age. It seems a bit like a red herring to me.
#14 /dab
May 10th, 2011 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not political scientist but i can say easily that
...having full citizenship is no impediment to self determination...
true merely in theory not in practice ! .....think Basque zone !
In reality Falkland Islands has been just a part of UK since 1983
neither autonomous nor negotiable unit ( like once Hong Kong)
Who's to say that the Pais Vasco or Catalunya for that matter will not get independence in the future? Can you guarantee they won't yul? I doubt it.
May 10th, 2011 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands is not and has never been part of the UK. It is legally distinct. If it was part of the UK then it would not be on the C24 list and it would not be subject to a process of decolonisation.
Oh and if you think having a common citizenship for the UK and the British overseas territories is an impediment to self determination then you just need think again. Just a few examples:
Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man, which are not part of the UK, yet they all have British citizenship (without EU citizenship).
Any citizen of a European Union member state is automatically a citizen of the European Union.
And if you look back in history: The Irish Free State gained independence in 1922, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Canada gained independence in 1931. Yet until 1948 none of these countries had a separate citizenship. Until then, there was a common British citizenship. There's no reason why that can't happen again.
#17/ J.A
May 10th, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't make me laugh !
UK Empire has multi- process/standarts on each part of it !
pay attention that UK/EU relations in the History ( don't U know it) !
If i were UK, I wouldn't do Jersey/Guernsey/... EU citizens ..
As a result..Let's say that U forgot UK/EU competition technically. !!
“Is possible make the referendum only in Westiminster área were “pakis” live for ensure the result ? in that sense, is possible today a paki politic start to make campaign and for sure in some years the next generation will born in a new state called for example Englastand under self-determination UN charter in the british point of view”
May 10th, 2011 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It wouldn't be a viable Nation. It couldn't support itself as a nation and the idea of a nation within a city is rather insane(Apart from the Vatican sort of but this is ofcourse a very special case).
Also, if you've been living in London for the last 100 years with all your thousands of family. You're a Londoner, They wouldn't be any different from the ten of millions of other londoners living in london for the last 100 years, They also can hardly claim to be subjugated by an external government when they decided to move to the capital of that government and live there, while being able to vote, ect because they chose to move into that Governmental system and become one of it's citizens. They were not forced to.
As for the soldiers and there kin, no. They would still be there under a military operation.
I see that Martin Longden, former press secretary for the British Embassy in Washington, shaved his imperial mustache.
May 10th, 2011 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He doesn't want to give the impression that Malvinas is a British colonial outpost in the 21st century.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/05/the-biggest-mo-on-embassy-row/
Scraping the barrel..
May 10th, 2011 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Marcos, you really haven't got many ideas have you?
May 10th, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You posted this before and we all said 'quite funny, but what's your point', and you never answered.
So what is your point?
I think it looks more like a dodgy Argentine bandito moustache anyway.
Some country should invade the Isle of Wight, settle its people on the island, and then turn around and ask them, according to the principles of self-determination, whether they would like to be part of Britain or stay with their country of origin.
May 10th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The world is sick of British arrogance. Why don't you go bury yourself?
22 Monty69
May 10th, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better than a lady with few teeth that practice cannabalism :-(
Searinox - I remember in 1982, one of your newspapers printed the words “ We are winning!” errrr....you got more battered than a cod from Harry Ramsden's. So you are winning now then? errr, can't see any evidence of that now can we.You are unable to do anything with your claim so do yourself a favour and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
May 10th, 2011 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nico - who cares what the Argies says? No-one, as we can't hear you.
@23
May 10th, 2011 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hows this for Argie arrogance?
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
16 Yul
May 10th, 2011 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Basque Country is an integral part of Spain. It takes full part in the Spanish government and parliament. The Falklands and the other territories are not, and never have been, part of the UK. They take no part in the government and parliament of the UK.
http://www.un-documents.net/a25r2625.htm
The territory of a colony or other Non-Self-Governing Territory has, under the Charter, a status separate and distinct from the territory of the State administering it; and such separate and distinct status under the Charter shall exist until the people of the colony or Non-Self-Governing Territory have exercised their right of self-determination in accordance with the Charter, and particularly its purposes and principles.
@Beef
May 10th, 2011 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What did you say? Can you repeat please?
Anyway liars and superficial Ukistani at best
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8943872-the-british-are-governed-by-liars-and-they-do-not-care
Ha, ha self-determination... What for?
@23
May 10th, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure, let them try and see what happens. You lot couldn't manage that with a British territory that's on the other side of the world from Britain and right on your doorstep. Unappealing as it is at least the British have an excuse for arrogance, unlike you lot.
It seems once again we have a difference of opinion between the civilised and the uncivilised,, all this anti-British , from a group of people that only know what they have been told, rather than what the truth may be, Argentina it seems is forever jealous over the British, because her corrupt government cannot -won’t , give to the argentine people, what the British have, [to many to count]
May 10th, 2011 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Argentinians here only object to what they do not have, it’s all illegal-corrupt-and theft by the dreaded British, but if Argentina, ever got the Falkland’s, and the rolls were reversed, then it would be legal and honesty, for we sadly live in a divided world, the free world, and argentines world, the civilised who are free to vote who rules them,, and the uncivilised, who knows not who rules them, and wish to deny anyone else of the freedom of speech, sadly then, we will never agree,
anything that would suit both sides, we are left with what we have today, one living to defend the rights of others, and one denying the rights of others, Argentina, of course is entitled to her opinion,
but if you want to enjoy the best, you have to be the best, that’s where the British come in, still at least this gives Argentinian bloggers something to look forward to, to condemn and ridicule those of whom you really admire, mmmm [Britain, isn’t it great ?]just an opinion,
Yul, #18. I'm totally lost. I have no idea what you are trying to say. Perhaps you could try writing in English next time?
May 10th, 2011 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better than a lady with few teeth that practice cannabalism :-(
May 10th, 2011 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that's their ugly queen, who is being served by peasants ( also with bad teeth and will face anytime soon more austerity measure, yes I repeat, because the clock is ticking faster) in the UK and people in the Falklands who aren't capable of being self determent.
:-)))))))
May 10th, 2011 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@briton
May 10th, 2011 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina it seems is forever jealous over the British” ¿??’?
Jealous?
Are you joking?
You cannot blame us to want to keep monkeys on their own Islands in the north. Do you?
“the free world, and argentines world, the civilised who are free to vote who rules them”
We vote for whom we want to govern us (civilized world) but in Ukistan poor people have a Queen since the middle age (uncivilized).
In civilized world people can communicate in many languages and think in many dimensions in Ukistan people are monolingual and if you are lucky someone just speak English (uncivilized) and have one thinking dimension (flat).
“but if you want to enjoy the best, you have to be the best, that’s where the British come in, still at least this gives Argentinian”
If you (brits) are the best I’m Napoleon, the best on what?
Ah! I can see now, do you mean the best on stealing, cheating, lying, in financial corruption, stupidity, feel free to add your best skills here, mate. I want to have a big laugh, hahaha.
@J.A. Roberts
“Yul, #18. I'm totally lost. I have no idea what you are trying to say. Perhaps you could try writing in English next time?”
Roby your problem is not Yul’s English else your luck of understanding read it again please.
I see NiceButDim is back, not apparently having learnt anything. MoreCrap is just realing out the usual cr*p but at least appears to have moved on from his 'teeth' fixation. Keep taking the tablets lad.
May 10th, 2011 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the rest, well the Argies return as usual to the brainwashing that they've had, rely on their government's 'spin' to reinterpret what the rest of the world knows is UN policy.
But its good to see them whinge. The fight-back for publicity starts ”-))
Nicodim, I realise it was unintentional on your part, but you are so Nationalist and blinkered you remain unable to see how ridiculously ironic your responses were.
May 11th, 2011 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0That irony you put on display here, is incredibly funny, any free thinking individual would have to agree; please do keep it up, I do like a good laugh.
You should try a career in stand up comedy, I understand they call it politics in Argentina.
Hilarious all this verbal diarohea from the Arg supporters- absolutley a good laugh and no more.
May 11th, 2011 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fact- my family have been living here for approx 170 yeasrs of our own free choice under the form of Governemnt of our own free choice.
Fact- That is how it is going to stay.End of discussion.
Fact - it will stay this way for many generations and forever unless one day folk think differently, one day we may decide to go our own way Independent if and when it suits us. One thing most unlikley - for a century or two at least is that the future generations would want to join up with a noisy,bullying, corrupt, semi-democracy across the water to the west! Even if they did- it would only be because that State had finally managed to clamber up to match our own standards of Govt.
“because the Falklands are part of the British family”
May 11th, 2011 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0No shit...? lol
They're also Argentine and 8,000 miles away from the UK.
OOPS
Wrong as normal Marian .... they're British and distance merely makes the heart grow fonder .... haven't you heard ?
May 11th, 2011 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The other guy said get reasonable. This guy is a colonial.
May 11th, 2011 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time for a reasonable (honourable settlement) settlement.
The Falklands are not the issue , not even on the table. But, the Malvinas should be. Its my Malvinas.
39 Redhoyt,
May 11th, 2011 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't give two shits what your heart feels, pirate.
Graham - I'll repeat myself. The honourable settlement was achieved in 1833 ... or indeed 1850, depending on your perspective.
May 11th, 2011 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0And they are not yours .... they belong to the islanders.
Martian - we have no doubt about our sovereignty, so we obviously don't give much of a sh*t about your heart either :-)
Martin_Fierro (#)------NicoDin (#)--------Marcos Alejandro-------Dorian (#) You four should take up another career, perhaps on the stage, you might as well get paid for being such good comedians. Lets face it who ever reads all your posts throughout the world is having right good laugh at your expense. Or have you thought of applying to the Argentine propaganda machine, I hear they are running out of good people that can spin a good yarn.
May 11th, 2011 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“They're also Argentine and 8,000 miles away from the UK.”
May 11th, 2011 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are not Argentine. Have never been Argentine. And distance from the UK is completely irrelevant.
@ Britishbulldog
May 11th, 2011 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Lets face it who ever reads all your posts throughout the world is having right good laugh at your expense”
On the contrary my friend they are laughing about the British stupidity posted here and everywhere.
Don’t you realise that Brits pompous statements are a joke in the world? Do you think anyone take you serious?
You still live in fantasyland and in the XVIII century, none cares about what Uki says, does, etc. and Uki is becoming more irrelevant any minute in the world.
So I will change my nickname if I would be you from “Britishbulldog” to “Ukistani Chiguagua” the Pet of Uncle Sam, what fit more into your current situation and image in the world.
Haha the Brits with delirious of greatness are so funny ha ha pure laugh...
It's a pity you guys play the clown role in the world’s Uncle Sam party.
Can we hire you guys? How much do you charge for party? Do you accept paypal?
Please let me know as you are becoming so busy and I don’t want to end without my British clown.
Everyone have the right to have one, don’t you think so?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7921346.stm
# J.A /
May 11th, 2011 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brittania always has different multi-process/standarts on her
interested areas...why ?.. becouse each has different economical and
strategical priorities..
Brittania's strategy has settled on the holding of her interested areas
against Continent Europe interested areas, though full EU membership.
EU is not mean that everything is common !
There is no any words like [ self determination ] in the Brittania's dictionary..but Australia & N.Zealand are very different applications.
@45-your holiday hasn't done you any good, Nicholas. You're just as silly as ever.
May 11th, 2011 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@40Graham, we have an honourable settlement Graham, you are just not part of it. Oh and btw- OUR lslands are OURS. they are called the Falklands. There is/are no such place as the “malvinas” except in your head.
@46Yul, what are you trying to say?
@38Martin_Fierro, wrong again, Martino. Our lslands are NOT Argentine, they are OURS. Just trying to help you with this.
“ ... Don’t you realise that Brits pompous statements are a joke in the world? Do you think anyone take you serious? ...”
May 11th, 2011 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0NiceBut IncrediblyDim - Iraq takes us seriously, Afghanistan takes us seriously, indeed Libya takes us seriously. Anyone in fact which has our fighters circling overhead, takes us seriously. Now, as Argentina is a joke nation, tell me .... who takes you seriously ????
47 lsolde,
May 11th, 2011 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Our lslands are NOT Argentine, they are OURS. Just trying to help you with this.”
Do we look like we need your help? Or is it the other way around... ;-)
“Mr Longden, who spoke to many Islanders during his visit, including a number on West Falklands, said he had not been surprised by the concerns that had been expressed to him, most of which related to communications links: “…and their concerns are not wrong… it is vital to your economic prosperity … it is my job to do what I can to help.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/29/face-bombast-with-reason-british-official-tells-falklands
Don't make me laugh Malvinero...
Love your idea of help Martin. So Argentinian 'help' is to reduce the level of interference with our affairs....gee thanks.
May 11th, 2011 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uh, no... I don't think Argentina will be reducing the level of interference anytime soon. Don't know what gave you that idea.
May 11th, 2011 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Redhoyt
May 11th, 2011 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“who takes you seriously ????”
You mate you have to take us very serious haven’t you learnt anything?
You mate you have to take us very serious haven’t you learnt anything?
May 11th, 2011 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes that the Argies are spineless,if you realy feel the Falklands are yours why dont you do something about it,instead of all this cowardly shit
You think military action is the only option. Is that it sticky?
May 11th, 2011 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You like to think that proximity is irrelevant, that you're “in the Atlantic ocean and not in South America!!”
Well how is that working for you so far?
Think hot-head, war is not always the most suitable course of action.
@51
May 11th, 2011 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wasn't expecting you to, I was being sarcastic. Moron.
Anyway we'll survive the inconvenience even if you succeed in isolating us from South America completely, what you don't understand (and cannot understand) is the bloodymindedness and determination of the British. Short of military action you'll never get anywhere near to getting your hands on the Falklands....and if you've ever learnt anything it must be that that is a very bad idea.
55, Oooh... how scary! ;-)
May 11th, 2011 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Mr Longden, who spoke to many Islanders during his visit, including a number on West Falklands, said he had not been surprised by the concerns that had been expressed to him, most of which related to communications links: “…and their concerns are not wrong… it is vital to your economic prosperity … it is my job to do what I can to help.”
What else is there to understand? All you do is bitch and moan... bloody wankers.
All we do is bitch and moan??
May 11th, 2011 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody hell that's rich, we're the ones who get on with our lives in the Falklands, we don't weep into our mate over our 'stolen' territory every night as you lot do. Why don't you surprise the world and grow up.
“Mr Longden, who spoke to many Islanders during his visit, including a number on West Falklands, said he had not been surprised by the concerns that had been expressed to him, most of which related to communications links: “…and their concerns are not wrong… it is vital to your economic prosperity … it is my job to do what I can to help.”
May 11th, 2011 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0;-)
He asked what concerned people and he received answers........that's bitching and moaning Martin?
May 11th, 2011 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get a grip man.
So the RG Dagos still think that an economic blockade will work. Obviously they haven't heard of Cuba.... what is it now.... 50 years of economic blockade by the world's most powerful - economically and militarily - country. End result ? Cubans rolling over.... I don't think so....
May 11th, 2011 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Frankie, why are you so embarrased or afraid to say where are you from?
May 11th, 2011 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0neither of the above, its just that its none of your business and you diegos have enough trouble staying focused as it is...
May 11th, 2011 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Frase #6 read this UN resolutions number 1415, 1541 and 2625, this three resolutions explain the self determination right and when its applied and how the UN define a colony... the resolutions 1541 and 2625 are not met, which means they dont have the right to self determination over malvinas
May 11th, 2011 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Frank the Yank, This Bud's For You!http://www.zazzle.com/the_finger_copy_hat-148047822681500757
May 12th, 2011 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0SiEquinox - you have misinterpreted everything ... just toeing the party line then?
May 12th, 2011 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Show me where the UN excludes the Falkland Islands from the right to self-determination. Charters or UNGA Resolutions please ..... answers on a postcard. Idiota !
NicoDin (#)---- And I think that every British household should have a Argentinian as a pet to kick every now and again. The only clowns that myself and the rest of the world can see are the ones like you who have been brainwashed since childhood in thinking that because you live in the South Atlantic the Falklands are yours.
May 12th, 2011 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Every time you put a claim for the Falklands the whole world has a good giggle at your expense. Keep telling yourselves that they are yours, keep dreaming of the day that they will become yours, because that's all it is a good dream. Tell us all how many years have you all had this dream? a more sensible nation would take the hint, the hint being that the rest of the world does not give a flying toss about your grand plans for the Falklands or your puny little country, your a joke nation that has no real standing in the world, you never have had and you never will have, I would have thought that your country along with your political masters would have got that message by now. If you had real standing in the world your claim for the Falklands would have been settled by now in your favor. However the rest of the world knows that you have no right to them. You can bleat and cry like the baby's that you are for ever and a day but the fact remains that it will be the people that live on those Islands that will determine their destiny and not a puny little backstabbing country like yours.
#66 The RGs don't actually live *in* the South Atlantic... they live *beside* the South Atlantic... just like the Namibians, South Africans, Angolans, Brazilians and Uruguayans. The only people that live 'in' the South Atlantic are the inhabitants of Ascension, Saint Helena, Tristan and the Falklands.... golly... all British ... a regular little British lake....
May 12th, 2011 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Britishbulldog
May 12th, 2011 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well for being a “Ukistani chiguagua” you have wrote a lot haha guau guau.
We have not doubt about of our sovereign rights on the Islands and all surrounding area.
And we will do whatever is need to get what is ours back you should know very well that.
We are very patient and we have a lot of determination when we want something.
Now can I have my British clowns?
NicelyDim - your sovereign rights do not exist. You can do nothing. We know that very well.
May 12th, 2011 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0178 years since we turfed off the trespassing garrison. 29 years since we turfed off the trespassing army.
Your patience and determination will do you no good at all.
@49 Martin_Fierro, l am not a malvinero, there are no such people as malvinas does not exist.l wouldn't dream of trying to make you laugh, but you certainly do need help with you incoherant ravings. As l said, the lslands are ours, not yours. Can you understand that?
May 12th, 2011 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@61 Marcos Alejandro, Frank is not a yank. Are you too dumb to work out where he comes from?
Anyway, l digress, the Falklands are ours and are likely to remain so for the forseeable future so get used to it
@Redhoyt
May 12th, 2011 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I really appreciate you and for that I will give a good advice just like a friend.
Don’t say thinks that you are not certain to sustain in time.
Do you know how embarrassing will be for you when you will have to change your Brit passport for one saying:
Malvinas Argentinas overseas territory of the REPUBLIC OF ARGENTINA not allowed to enter into Buenos Aires without a visa.
Ha ha
NicelyDim ... idiot :-)
May 12th, 2011 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina could not punch its way out of a paper bag ..... no chance, no hope ... the Falkland islands are Brirtish .... live with it !!
@71
May 12th, 2011 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Do you know how embarrassing will be for you when you will have to change your Brit passport for one saying:
Malvinas Argentinas overseas territory of the REPUBLIC OF ARGENTINA”
I reckon the UN decolonisation committee might have something to say about that Nico.
;-p
And again we shall repeat
May 12th, 2011 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jealousy just pure jealousy
Oh to be British
Swarve-sophisticated-brilliant-admired-respected-feared- ahh the charisma just runs off sleeve
Poor Argentina she so dreams of wanting and admires us,
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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[] 72 --
May 12th, 2011 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he says true ...the falkland islands are Birthish..long live falks...
Guys will be very embarrassing and humiliating for nationalist pets like you so shsssssssss
May 12th, 2011 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep quite please you will be the “living jokes” in the islands and surrender area and you will have to move to Botswana to avoid cruel jokes from you own stock.
Mummy, mummy why these old men are so sad, depressed and dressing like clowns with the British’s flag stamped all over?
Oh! Dear son before you even were born theses men known as Redhoyt, WestisBest, briton and others wanted to be British 8000 miles from Britain a hilarious dream dear, really hilarious. And when Argentina took over they go really mad for the humiliation and since then they are seen walking on the streets dressed as British clowns, a very sad story really sad dear.
As I said before NicoDim, you might have a career in Argentine Politics up your sleeve by the looks of it...
May 12th, 2011 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And again we shall repeat
May 12th, 2011 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jealousy just pure jealousy
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You're as good as the circus NicoDin, honestly people would pay good money to listen to you but you perform on here for free....very decent of you really.
May 13th, 2011 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dim's on a flight of fancy ...... pink sky, flying pigs, the works lol
May 13th, 2011 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have a read and get back to me Nicotine :-))))))
May 13th, 2011 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina: 200 years old, in debt, and unenlightened
http://www.speroforum.com/a/34786/Argentina-200-years-old-in-debt-and-unenlightened
Don’t worry mates as a gesture of friendship we Argies will pay the bill for the British clown costumes.
May 13th, 2011 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Make your choice down here:
http://www.kacike.org/shopping/files/productsimages/BS_C/12197.jpg
http://www.kacike.org/shopping/files/productsimages/BS_C/12197.jpg
http://www.kacike.org/shopping/files/productsimages/BS_C/12197.jpg
Don’t forget to ask for your Brit flag and your names stamped on it please.
Ah! you can get one for your Queen too, well thinking again she dresses all the time like a clown so it is up to you to get a new one.
http://www.kacike.org/shopping/files/productsimages/BS_C/12197.jpg
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british are free to determine on their own the government in UK, Islas Malvinas Argentina is not UK. and the illegal aliens in Malvinas claim on thier own to be british, sooooo gooooo home pirats, thieves, murderers of muslims, child molesters, liars and perverts, we had enought of your BS.
May 13th, 2011 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite correct I(diot) - there is no such place as the Islas Malvinas in the UK. Now the Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory ... that's BRITISH Idiot), has been for a couple of hundred years, you should have got used to it by now.
May 13th, 2011 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, if you really want to indulge in bullshit ... just read the Argentine history of the Falklands ...... it'll make you laugh :-))
Well someone has to get the blame, when all goes wrong
May 13th, 2011 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0someone always gets the blame, rightly or wrongly, somebody has to carry the blame.
In this case, its all argentina,s fault, thinks think??
“Islas Malvinas Argentina is not UK”
May 13th, 2011 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are quite right I. The Falkland Islands are not part of the UK and never have been. And I don't think a community which for the most part has been there for 8 generations could be described as “illegal aliens”, any more than those of Spanish descent living in Patagonia (which was conquered from it's native owners decades after the Falklands became British)...
Perhaps if Patagonia was given a choice , she may also like to be british
May 13th, 2011 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but argentina will never give them a choice, just a thought lol
If the malvinas-falklands dispute begins and ends with self determination, then i hope that the next resolution from the decolonization committee, invokes that principle for the islanders, all the rest, is no more than the usuall bla bla bla, our government can say that it will keep on claiming for the islands, and we can be conform with that, but the point is that none resolution invoked self determination for the malvinas dispute.
May 13th, 2011 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beside if the british government and the l. c. from the malvinas, are so sure that our country doesn't have any right on the islands, and self determination overrides any other principle, then i hope to heard soon that they will propose to my country, to ask for a consultative opinion to the i. c. j., in order to know what country has better rights, or if self determination is applicable or not to the malvinas people, i dont think it happens, meantime we will keep on reading and hearding no more than the usual bla bla bla.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/179699.html
May 13th, 2011 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It does axel. You just choose to ignore it constantly which is the main reason everyone here ridicules your survey and the fact that you are a teacher yet refuse to acknowledge facts.
May 13th, 2011 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN States that that Self Determination is applicalbe to everyone.
The UN C24 states that there is no alternative to self-determination.
Self Determination is a human right, Human rights are applicable to all humans.
All UN resolutions state that the intrestst of the interests of the inhabitants are paramount.
ALL of the UN Resolutions on the islands either refer back to 1514 which states that everyone is entiled to human rights, or the later ones all refer back to the UN charter which also states that the intrests of the interests of the inhabitants are paramount.
You can keep ignoring the facts, But as an academic and a teacher, it makes you a bad one.
“1514 which states that everyone is entiled to human rights”
May 13th, 2011 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 01514 which states that everyone is entiled to self determination*
We cannot take Argentina to the ICJ ... if you do not know that yet, then your survey has taught you nothing!
May 13th, 2011 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bla, bla, bla ...............
Redhoyt i wrote the 3 resolutions to undestand what self determination means and how do the UN define a colony, i didnt misinterpreted anything its you the one who cant read and understand what that means,
May 13th, 2011 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Zethe you must to know that self determination is different when its take over a territory, if i go to the UK and i buy a part of your country that dont give me the right to say that what i bought is now “Searinox Land” but with your interpretation, i am human then i can create “Searinox Land” in the UK if i buy or I inherited a territory from there, self determination means be free, but like in law, even freedom has limits, and self determination with the right to claim one territories like the kelpers are trying to do, is given to colonies, and the resolutions i wrote explain how the UN define a colony, its not so hard to understand, there is two self determination, individual and group self determination, examples, induvidual (slaves) group (colonies) then RedHoyt when you read the UN resolutions about colonies you'll understand too
”if i go to the UK and i buy a part of your country that dont give me the right to say that what i bought is now “Searinox Land”
May 13th, 2011 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not, it's exactly what you did in Argentina. You took land that didn't belong to you renamed it Argentina and now exercise Self Determination every time you vote.
Double standards?
Axel. Every UN resolution regarding the Falkland Islands references resolution 1514, which clearly spells out the Falkland Islanders' right to self determination.
May 13th, 2011 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So do I hope Argentina goes to the ICJ for a consultative ruling. Because we all know what the ICJ's answer is going to be...
ZETHE. J. A. ROBERT.
May 13th, 2011 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guys, all the resolutions will always be submited to diferent interpretations, i respect your opinions, but i dont think like you, during these long monthes of investigations, i read many resolutions from the u. n. about decolonization issues, and it invoked self determination in diferent oportunities, but it never did it for the malvinas-falkland cause, in my survey i explain why i have serious doubts about the application of that right to our cause, beside my arguments are based on the academic knowledge of argentine and british professors of international right, i can't explain them here because it's to long, and i dont have much characters.
I finished my investigation yesterday, after more than one year, now i have to register it, anf after i will publish it, in spite that we never agree, i always debate with you, because unless with you i can have a good interchange of ideas, but it doesn't happen with some idiots who use cheap and stupid arguments, that's why i decided i wont answer them anymore, i wont waste my time with mediocre people.
Regarding the consultative opinion, i insist that i hope to heard that proposal soon, i think it's the only one way to find a solution, if the u. k. was so sure that it can get a favorable judgment, it would have proposed it to my country a long time ago, i dont think it happens.
OK then Axel, show us a UN resolution which clearly and specifically limits self determination in the case of the Falkland Islands. Show me a resolution which clearly limits self determination if a sovereignty dispute exists. Just a single resolution...
May 13th, 2011 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i would ask to men who knows the history properly,
May 13th, 2011 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know that there are two main powers in the History,one is Sea power
the other is Land Power.
You can easily indicate which was Land Power...which was Sea Power...
Athens : .................
Sparta : .................
Carthage : .....................
Rome : .....................
What happened and what were the results of their wars ??
“Guys, all the resolutions will always be submited to diferent interpretations”
May 13th, 2011 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Translation: Even though it clearly states the opposite to what im saying im going to ignore these facts and act like such clear, concise words can be interpreted in other ways.
They can't. It's clear.
yul:
May 13th, 2011 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see what it has to do with this discussion but from what i remember Sparta was primarily a land based power(Though they were for a while a naval power). Athens obviously was a Naval power, Same with Carthage.
Rome while being a Land power also had a very large navy the largest in the world at several points. The romans dominated the sea more than any other nations of the time.
It's not quite a simple as the question you asked.
@98
May 13th, 2011 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure what you're getting at yul, to be militarily powerful you need both land and sea power these days so where's this going?
#100/ zethe
May 13th, 2011 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bravo.. very correct ! but Rome had never sea war victory...
beat Carthage by land war.
#101/ WestiBest
Today US and UK have differently Sea Powers not Land Powers.
No one can have both Powers ( Sea + Land) simultaneously in economically and strategically...
“Bravo.. very correct ! but Rome had never sea war victory...
May 13th, 2011 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0beat Carthage by land war.”
No offence but that's completely wrong. Most of the war was fought with the two nations Navies. The ground wars were quite small compaired to the naval battles(One fight Rome lost over 150,000 men). And the Romans crushed Carthage's navy. After the first war Rome was the ruler of the seas, this is the reason Hannibal didn't go by sea in the second war. They won many naval wars.
”No one can have both Powers ( Sea + Land) simultaneously in economically and strategically...”
Also incorrect. The romans did, and currently the USA has both the most powerful navy in the world and the same with the US army.
@102
May 14th, 2011 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just because you (Argentina that is) cannot afford either doesn't mean no one can afford one or both yul, if you take your head out of your arse you'll find that, as Zethee has already said, the US is pretty cool with both.
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May 14th, 2011 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0#103 / zethe
May 14th, 2011 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0103 is just your comment !
Rome History controversial and contradictory in written sources.
You can't show any Rome serious naval war ...in Rome era the Sea Power
was used as tactical & logistic to support Land Powers sometimes !
in no time Rome didn't fight with Hannibal elsewhere but fight in North Africa in serial wars...and finished in Gebze ( Istanbul's town) ,his grave is there.
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in History ;UK ' invasion interference of Argentina had abortive
becouse in no time ....
British has never has serious combatant Land Forces ..even today !
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US Army ?
but we must say that they have different concept which has mainly
Sea Power and it's complement Air Forces as tactical & logistic supports
when driving rockets,you must use Sea +Air Forces in coordinated...
US ' s Land Forces is nothing ....once in Vietnam !
but if you want a war gain you have to placed by Land Forces..
NATO has no any experiments in Land Wars...have no chance in Irak
and Afghanistan..they try to make imaginary wars with ghosts , deserts,valleys, mountains....where up to ?
until Chinese purchasing US government bonds finished ???!!!
@105 NicoDin,
May 14th, 2011 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0du bis ein grosse lenkswischer.
@96 Axel, just shut up man & go away.
@106 Yul, party correct. The Romans found a wrecked Carthaginian warship washed up on the shore & copied it. Then they won many Naval battles.
But they did defeat Hannibal on land in North Africa.
Are you a keen student of history also?
Axel - the UK made 4 proposals to go to the ICJ regarding South Georgia and the SSI, all of which were rejected by Argentina.
May 14th, 2011 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why should we propose taking the Falkland Island there ?
We have possession. We are sure of our sovereignty. And we know that Argentina has a previous history of rejecting such suggestions.
I think the ball is in your court, no ?
@106
May 14th, 2011 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“British has never has serious combatant Land Forces ..even today”
Errr.....yes they have. Ever heard of the Napoleonic wars? sure Britain's navy was crucial in supporting the army but it was the coalition of British, Portuguese and Spanish land forces that drove his armies out of Portugal and Spain, the British contingent in that army was pretty serious.
Anyway I still don't see what you're getting at with this digression, what is your point?
@105
In English dude, English.
Urgh, Wrote out a long reply and it didn't send.
May 14th, 2011 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0106 yu:
That is incorrect, Very. The Romans won many many naval battles the first one being the punic wars where still to this day holds the record for having the single largest loss of life in any Naval battle in history.
They won naval battles against Carthage, Macedonia, Seleucid, Pontus, Gauls, Frisians, Chauci, Alexandria, Jews, Gothica, Many Arab nations, Cretan, ect...I could go on?
“in no time Rome didn't fight with Hannibal elsewhere but fight in North Africa in serial wars”
Hannibal lead a navy against Rome off the coast of Sicily and was forced to retreat. It was due to Romes great naval advantage that in the second war he went by land.
“US Army”
Your opinion. Not every war is winnable as history has shown us but currently the US army is the most powerful land army in the world. Same goes with the US Navy and Airforce.
J. A. ROBERT. ZETHE. REDHOYT.
May 14th, 2011 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0J. A. ROBERT AND ZETHE: The reason why i have serious doubts about the application of self determination to the islanders are based on articles 6 and 7 from resolution 1514, anyway it would be very long to explain all my hipothesis here, but you''ll know it soon when i publish my investigation, beside, nor you nor me can assure if that right is applicable or not to the malvinas cause, because we are not professors of international right, we can think hipothesis, or to take any posture regarding it, but no more, and all of them are respectable. Even betwen the british professors who i included in my survey have diferent postures about that issue.
REDHOYT: You described it perfectly, your country suggested to argentina that it would accept to discuss about the tittles on the s. g. islands and the s. i., before the i. c. j., in case that my country would decide to discuss about the sovereignty of those territories, in that institution, but it never suggested it respecting the malvinas islands, beside you omit to mention that my country proposed three times during the end of the XIX century, to take the case to the arbitration, and the u. k. rejected those proposal. I inist that th only way of finishing with this dispute, is taking the case to the i. c. j., but none of both suggested that alternative.
(#) 106 ........interesting viewpoint.
May 14th, 2011 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then the Russians have mixed ( Land + Air ) power complex,
means that Russians -- Americans are not rival powers .
The Russians can defeat Americans at any peripheral area wars .
“nor you nor me can assure if that right is applicable or not to the malvinas cause”
May 14th, 2011 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, i can axel because i CAN read and HAVE read all the relevant documents and they ALL state that all people are entitled to self determination and that the islanders intrests are paramount.
Ignore it as much as you like.
6,7.
This is your entire argument, which as we have seen is beaten by Self Determination. But anyway, i digress; The islands were effectively ruled by Argentina for about four years. How you can claim that islands that you owned for less than five years were an integral part of your nation is ridiculous, bordering on stupidity.
“The Russians can defeat Americans at any peripheral area wars .”
May 14th, 2011 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol...The russians have outdated equipment doesn't feed it's own troops, barely pays them, half there equipment is obsolete or missing, not working. Most of there equipment is still soviet era.
They wouldn't stand a chance.
#110 / zet
May 14th, 2011 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“” They won naval battles against.................... etc.“”
These none of them had any Sea Powers to battle with Rome !
if We use your logic in today....US won naval battles against
Nauru...Papua New Guinea...Bahamas...Mauritius....etc.
“These none of them had any Sea Powers to battle with Rome”
May 14th, 2011 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...? Something's lost in the translation?
They ALL had navys which ALL had naval battles with Rome, some of them being rather large and Rome won.
I have specific names because those specific Nations/city states had naval battles with rome.
Your point was that a nation can be either a land or sea power, and you was wrong. Rome was both. Having the best(at the time) army and largest navy at several points in history
Axel - I omit nothing. You have yet to name the international arbitration panel that would have sat had the UK taken up Argentina's suggestion in the late 19th C. You cannot - there was no such panel !
May 14th, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU omit to mention that Argentina's response to the 4 requests by the UK made no mention of the Falkland Islands. Argentine refused to recognise the ICJ's jurisdiction but gave no reason as to why. Argentina DID NOT use the Falklands as an excuse !!
111 axel arg
May 14th, 2011 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The reason why i have serious doubts about the application of self determination to the islanders are based on articles 6 and 7 from resolution 1514, ”
Axel, The Falklands have never been under Argentine sovereignty, so there is no territorial integrity, and UNGA resolutions do not have retroactive application:
http://www.ejil.org/pdfs/16/5/329.pdf
page 14 of pdf
and resolution 1514 was replaced by resolution 2625 which says on territorial integrity:
“Nothing in the foregoing paragraphs shall be construed as authorizing or encouraging any action which would dismember or impair, totally or in part, the territorial integrity or political unity of sovereign and independent States conducting themselves in compliance with the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples as described above and thus possessed of a government representing the whole people belonging to the territory without distinction as to race, creed or colour.”
Argentina does not have a government representing Falkland Islanders
#116/ zet
May 14th, 2011 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0during antique era,there were no any nations,but were some clans,
cities and their infant forms states....finally few empires !
as i said before,Rome merely had symbolic Sea Power to support Land Powers sometimes...It's Naval Force' s unique headway was to Egypt
at César time ....after that it was taken out !
Back on topic
May 14th, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland’s have all ways been British
.Argentina has not always been Argentinian,
The Falkland’s are quiet happy being British
So why not just leave them alone, and get on with running Argentina,
That way we can all live in peace, why oh why does Argentina have to be, a [pitta] , live your own lives, and leave others alone .
Zethe it was spain who kill the natives as the british kill natives too with france portugal etc, and argentina has in their constitution to give back the native territories to the native people descendent who lives, we cant change what spain did as you cant changed what the UK did but that doesnt mean that you dont try to change things now, besides how ironic is to read or hear a british talking about kill people when the UK is killing innocent people in libia, without saying in Irak and afghanistan, oh but you kill for justice right? to the UK and USA kill is justice, then why do you have prisons kill them all is cheaper and is for justice right? the only people argentina kills and we at least say we sorry is in the triple war between argentina brasil and paraguay, but your monarchy killed before and is still killing and you call us murders, jaaj how hypocrite
May 14th, 2011 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have no doubts about our sovereign rights over Malvinas and surrendering territories, waters, penguins, raw materials, resources, wind, flora and the rest of the fauna.
May 14th, 2011 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have only some doubts over some sheep with brit passport that’s all.
No much to say or discuss I guess.
the only people argentina kills and we at least say we sorry is in the triple war between argentina brasil and paraguay, but your monarchy killed before and is still killing and you call us murders, jaaj how hypocrite
May 15th, 2011 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I take it you dont read the papers,still if you say sorry it dont matter,anyway you get this weeks hypocrite award
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Vuelos-nuevos-detenidos-pilotos-Aerolineas_0_478152450.html
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Vuelos-nuevos-detenidos-pilotos-Aerolineas_0_478152450.html
@4:
May 15th, 2011 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British Crown Colonies & its government on the Falkland Islands were a manifest form of colonialism. Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 was prompted by the cherished aim of bringing to an end everywhere colonialism in all its forms, one of which covers the case of the Falkland Islands
The reason why the Falkland Islands & all other British Overseas Territories are classed as Non-Self-Governing Territories under resolution 1514(XV) is because the form of govt. these territories had at the time as Crown Colonies was autocratic & did not contain fully democratically elected representatives elected by the people, for the people, of the people
The Crown Colony govt. in the Falkland Islands was alien to the people living there, The Crown Colony govt. was subjugated upon the people without choice & The Crown Colony exploited the people as it controlled their natural & economic resources for the benefit of the Crown govt. (not the people) without being democratically accountable to the people
The UN decided Crown Colony govt. was an unacceptable form of govt. for all peoples, whether or not they are indigenous or immigrant peoples & all peoples subjugated to them would be granted freedom by the UN Declaration on the granting of independence to colonial countries & peoples
Thus full implementation of resolution 1514(XV) in each British Crown Colony including the Falkland Islands is to be reported to the UNGA by the C24. It is a matter of record Argentina voted for resolution 1514(XV) to apply to the Falkland Islands & also that the vote for this resolution was carried unanimously by the UNGA, with the UK abstaining its vote
Argentina's only duties under resolution 1514(XV) are to assist the Falkland Islanders with its full implementation, i.e. transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations & for Argentina to cease all repressive measures against them
This is why self-determination applies to Falklanders
Yeah yeah and I would you like some Swiss chocolates and flowers with it?
May 15th, 2011 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keep dreaming its is very cheap. haha
@124 Domingo, l wouldn't bother trying to explain anything to the Argentines. They don't listen anyway & will never admit that they are wrong even though they know they are. They just cannot get over the fact that they lost the Falkland war. We just have to recognise that we will always have a belligerent neighbour & must keep our guard up.
May 15th, 2011 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0[] 106 --
May 15th, 2011 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0true !
British never knows the real land battle.. Pentagon says too !
look at -- [ Wall Street Journal ]--web site....
at the right side ...most popular in Europe column
Article : “” Sun Setting on British Power “” May 14/2011
Interesting article. But I feel so sorry for them...
May 15th, 2011 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No money, no jobs, no Army, no hope, no pride, no democracy, no constitution, not oil... do they have still a flag?
Very, very humiliating...
Must be very hard to be British under these circumstances, sure wouldn’t be nice to be the joke of Europe, South Atlantic, Asia and Africa.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704081604576144311857979054.html
Well not all is so bad after all, and I always like to see the positive part of the things.
They sure will get out of this stressing situation, by taking advantage of their wonderful beaches and the sunny days.
What sure will provide fresh tourism and revenues to buy some bullets to be used in another remote war on behalf of Uncle Sam.
After all they will not lose their main job, I mean to be the clown of the American’s parties all over the world.
What will popup a little bit their self-esteem for a while.
Very, very humiliating
May 15th, 2011 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being kicked off “ your” Island 300 miles off your main land by a bunch of clowns who have traveled 8,000 miles to do it :-))))))
“Zethe it was spain who kill the natives as the british kill natives too with france portugal”
May 15th, 2011 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The(spanish) people who moved to Argentina killed the natives. You were spanish, you are now Argentinian.
Changing your name doesn't change who you are.
Nicodin: “No much to say or discuss I guess.”
May 15th, 2011 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank god for that. Bye bye Nico, you won't be missed.
:-)
Yes,, Britain’s so bad, that halve the world would sell he’s grandmother to get here, but then again, jealousy throws up many oddity’s .
May 15th, 2011 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please, please, please guys don’t be so selfish and share with us your trick to support such level of humiliation. Would you please?
May 16th, 2011 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know that alcoholic intoxication plus kicks in your @ss from your favourite sheep is your usual technique. Right?
Sure a good photo of Elizabeth II in the wall plus a fade rotten Brit flag will help to relief some of your pain.
http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1672/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1672R-23502.jpg
But come on lads this is tooooooo much for any human being I think I’m going to cry.
. ) Buahhhh
As a nation, Us Brits don't get overly nationalistic over our flag. If the responce you wanted was to annoy or upset us you clearly don't understand the British very well.
May 16th, 2011 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another ldiot Argentine, our friend Nicholas. l thought that he wasn't too bad once but l can see how l was wrong. He's at the same level as “ I” or malen etc. lt escapes me how anyone can find fault with another country when their own is in such a shambles.
May 16th, 2011 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Admit it Nico, Argentina would be much better if it became a British colony. Well it couldn't possibly be worse! We could call it New Falklandia. Theres the solution to your “malvinas”problems amigoes! We would be a united country which you wish for so much. voila!
Admit it Nico, Argentina would be much better if it became a British colony.
May 16th, 2011 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wouldnt work, work being the operative word,the Argies are too fecking lazy to make much of themselves
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May 16th, 2011 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina = Free Independent Republic.
UK = Antique Monarchy.
Stick up your junta, “Vuelo de la muerte” happend in the last dictatorship so i really dont understand what are you trying to say, you mean we are guilty because the militar junta did that?? do you understand the concept Dictatorship??
May 16th, 2011 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Zethe im not spanish. im argentinian i have spanish,french and italian ancestors, that mean im guilty of everything spain france and italy did??
are you reading what are you writing??
what...then you blame germans and Austrian because Hitler??
“ ” italians because mussolini??
if you want to know a current dictatorship then see the kelpers “government”
if they want you live and work in there, it doesnt matter if you born in malvinas they can expelled you from there did you know that??
my god you are an idiot
do you understand the concept Dictatorship??
May 16th, 2011 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the argies seemed quite happy with them when they invaded the Falklands
Crowds gathered once again on April 2, 1982 and several occasions thereafter to hail de facto President Leopoldo Galtieri for Argentina's invasion of the Falkland Islands, which launched the Falklands War (Spanish: Guerra de las Malvinas/Guerra del Atlántico Sur).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_de_Mayo
@138
May 16th, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're always quick enough to rant about Britain's perfidious history. If you can't take it then don't dish it out.
after all, what a better way of telling us how good we were,
May 16th, 2011 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0by telling us how good we are . lol
The man receives a call from his son from the Middle East.
May 16th, 2011 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dad? D..%&a65d? Dad? Can you hear me?
Yes son badly...
H”6$ve you.. received the pics where Ijdasd&54 become .. b.6$3ish -----------.
Oh my god!
I gave you the better education that money can buy.
I gave everything you needed to become a good an honest man.
Your mother will get a heart attack we will be the laugh of our family.
Our neighbours will not respect us any more and sure they will make jokes on our expenses.
And I don’t want to even think over the consequences with the law.
You just have made us look like criminals.
Son, what the hell I have done so wrong to be insulted, humiliated and disappointed that way?
Why son? Why?
Dad? Dad? Can you hear me better now?
Yes son, yes
Hey Dad calm down I just only said if you have received the pics where I’m panting my new house with a tone brownish together with my clients murder terrorists.
Ah! Thank god I thought you have been doing something really bad and that you have become British.
Hey Dad put mom on,,
May 16th, 2011 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hi mom sorry i did not have the heart to tell dad , that since were all british now, i married an English girl, and called our first son [winston churchil NicoDin ] is he getting worse mom,
yes son, he has never been the same since the people voted to give up there argentine citizenship and become BRITISH, poor fellow never been the same,, bye mom back soon i will bring him some union jacks home,
that might cheer him up, now that he is british lol
“Zethe im not spanish. im argentinian i have spanish,french and italian ancestors, that mean im guilty of everything spain france and italy did??”
May 17th, 2011 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You WAS spanish, the SPANISH settlers who currently live in Argentina and call themselves ARGENTINIANS were the ones who killed all the natives and stole there land.
“if they want you live and work in there, it doesnt matter if you born in malvinas they can expelled you from there did you know that??”
Doesn't make sense.
140: Is right, you love to rant on about our history and we accept ours, the second someone mentions something bad about yours, you try blame someone else. You apparently aren't responcible for what your ancestors did, but we are.
More Argie doublethink. Their past is irrelevant, “it was a dictatorship don't you understand”. But we are still acting like an imperialist power today?? Go figure.
May 18th, 2011 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't remember crowds rushing out into the street à la Tahrir Square trying to topple Videla, Galtieri etc. But I do know that every single British colony which asked for independence has been given it. Decades ago.
Yeah lol. Malen is brilliant, only in his mind can he criticize the UK for it's past, while at the same time criticize us for mentioning his nations past!
May 19th, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0145. Your own government define themselfs as British empire, besides it was the UK the one who said that malvinas was a british colony in the descolonization committee.
May 19th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are an ignorant, you say that the 30.000 missing people was in favor of galtieri? If you would said something against the military junta your disappear, do you think the rebels in libia are not dying because of Gadaffi? taht was not scream for democracy that was hide to survive, the militars came at night and took the entire families and the people that was friend or knows that family, they were took too, what a idiot you are, as the same of the other british you talk about our history when you dont know a lot of it.
144, the independence was not in the same moment of the colonization, so the same spanish who colonized south america are not the same spanish who fight for independence. and im a descendent of spanish and italian that came from europe, i still have family in europe, so its was not from the same spanish who fight for independence, i told you its like blame the germans and the austrian because of hitler or the italinas because of mussolini thats insane.
if you dont understand what I meant to say, look in google info about “Mike Bingham” he is a british came from england to malvinas and because he talk against the “falkland government” they try to kill him more than 5 times, after that he lose his house and job in malvinas and after that he was expelled from there, then you'll see the fuckland dictatorship
ZETHE.
May 19th, 2011 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am no ignoring anything, i only say that i have serious doubts about the application of self determination to the islanders, but it does not mean that self determination is really applicable or not, i am not professor of international right, i only investigate, and create a hipothesis, i will always respect your posture, and your compatriot's but i dont agree on them.
If self determination overrides any other principle, then read the statement of norma edwards before the decolonization committee, the 24th of june of 2010, where she complains because the malvinas-falkland case is considered as a special case, let me remind you that in that oportunity the decolonization committee called again both countries to negotiate a pacefull solution.
Beside, if there is not any other alternative to self determination, then ¿why the u. n. g. a. rejected the referendum that was celebrated in gibraltar in 1967, i suggest you again to read resolution 2353 respecting the gibraltar cause.
These are just a few of the reasons why i have doubts about the application of that right to the islanders, maybe i am wrong or maybe not, i only interpret what i read, beside, what is relevant for the knwoledge that i need to incorporate, is the academic knowlege from the professors of international rigt, from both sides, all the rest are just respectable postures, but no more.
Confusion makes the world go round
May 19th, 2011 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland’s islanders have the same rights as Argentinians, no more, no less, in the eyes of the free world,
Argentinian’s chose to be Argentinian. the world accepts and respects that
The Falkland, islanders voted to be British, and the world accepts and respects that,
except of course Argentina, who in their ignorance, seems to think that the islanders either excepts Argentinian rule, or Argentinian rule, nothing else will do, and they call this word [democracy] Argentinian democracy''??, NOW EITHER YOU RESPECT A PERSONS VOTE OR YOU DONT, you cannot demand freedom then take away a man’s right to choose, either Argentina, respects democracy and freedom of rights, or she respects no one but herself and dictatorship, you can’t have it both ways, [just a thought]
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