Mercosur described the reconciliation agreement reached by Honduras president Porfirio Lobo and his predecessor Manuel Zelaya, ousted in 2009, as a fundamental step in the process of normalizing relations in the hemisphere. Read full article
I'm not surprised that a British man doesn't somehow know the truth regarding events in a small LatAm country. But the fact is that Zelaya's attempt to reform the constitution wasn't illegal AND it wouldn't have benefited him. See that the Latinobarómetro poll has concluded that majorities of Hondureans in either social class opposed the coup.
Accusing a President - often a left-leaning President - of trying to alter the constitution is a strategy the LatAm right resorts to in order to justify coups. When President João Goulart was ousted from Brazil in 1964, that was exactly what the military and the right-wing party UDN said: that the military coup was necessary to prevent some imaginary left-wing coup by the president. Even today some in the military argue that they had to install a 21 years long military regime to protect democracy. :)
The current, right-wing Honduras administration has little respect for people's participation in the country's affairs and freedom of speech. As Reporters Sans Frontières have reported, the number of journalists - native and foreign - being killed in Honduras has jumped since the 2009 coup, and most of the killing is carried out by right-wing militias who also exert a role in suppressing pro-Zelaya manifestations among the Hondurean population. They are most likely government-supported.
All I said is that most Hondureans opposed the coup: and this, even though Zelaya was not the most popular of Presidents. That should say something on the coup's nature and legality. The ousting was not done by some democracy-loving Latin American military. Rather it was founded on the same impulse that is behind most of the coups region: antipathy for the President in office, ideological zealousness, and so forth.
Tit - but if you think that Democracy is only about the majority then you have a simplistic view of it.
Geez, what a moron this kid is. What you just typed is the description a Democracy, and that's why where Forgetit lives is a REPUBLIC (of course idiot Geof with will come up with his nonsense).
Brits are brain dead, that is one of the reasons their islans is Bankrupt.
Yeah, words are good,
and unlike the BBC where there is a 400 character limit, here you have the luxury of developing an idea.
Some people might not like what you or I say, but, hey, what would be the point of posting if everybody thought the same?
And a bit of fun never goes amiss (#9).
Wrt Zelaya, you know where I stand.
And my research shows little stat correlation of mayhem with either the right or the left, just mayhem - increasing in anticipation of his return.
I never accepted the word coup, as the right to act fell within the (democratic) Honduran constitution.
What I am seeing in the last few years is the conscious warping of the democratic principles towards particular non-democratic end points. This is what gets up my nose.
Let's hope that Zelaya stays out of my nostril.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGeoff, quick!! Write one of those long posts arguing that Honduras should have decapitated Mr. Zelaya!
May 26th, 2011 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)))
May 26th, 2011 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought he was decapitated ..... no?
May 26th, 2011 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least he won't be trying to change the constitution in his favour again, anytime soon.
Job done it would seem :-)
@Red hoyt
May 26th, 2011 - 05:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please read this link: http://www.iwallerstein.com/the-right-strikes-back/
I'm not surprised that a British man doesn't somehow know the truth regarding events in a small LatAm country. But the fact is that Zelaya's attempt to reform the constitution wasn't illegal AND it wouldn't have benefited him. See that the Latinobarómetro poll has concluded that majorities of Hondureans in either social class opposed the coup.
Accusing a President - often a left-leaning President - of trying to alter the constitution is a strategy the LatAm right resorts to in order to justify coups. When President João Goulart was ousted from Brazil in 1964, that was exactly what the military and the right-wing party UDN said: that the military coup was necessary to prevent some imaginary left-wing coup by the president. Even today some in the military argue that they had to install a 21 years long military regime to protect democracy. :)
The current, right-wing Honduras administration has little respect for people's participation in the country's affairs and freedom of speech. As Reporters Sans Frontières have reported, the number of journalists - native and foreign - being killed in Honduras has jumped since the 2009 coup, and most of the killing is carried out by right-wing militias who also exert a role in suppressing pro-Zelaya manifestations among the Hondurean population. They are most likely government-supported.
Tit - I accept much of what you say, but if you think that Democracy is only about the majority then you have a simplistic view of it.
May 26th, 2011 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0All I said is that most Hondureans opposed the coup: and this, even though Zelaya was not the most popular of Presidents. That should say something on the coup's nature and legality. The ousting was not done by some democracy-loving Latin American military. Rather it was founded on the same impulse that is behind most of the coups region: antipathy for the President in office, ideological zealousness, and so forth.
May 26th, 2011 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tit - but if you think that Democracy is only about the majority then you have a simplistic view of it.
May 26th, 2011 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geez, what a moron this kid is. What you just typed is the description a Democracy, and that's why where Forgetit lives is a REPUBLIC (of course idiot Geof with will come up with his nonsense).
Brits are brain dead, that is one of the reasons their islans is Bankrupt.
Democracy is about representation Fido (isn't that a dogs name?).... not merely about the majority. You appear to have a lot to learn.
May 26th, 2011 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course he should be decapitated.
May 27th, 2011 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anybody who wears such a silly cowboy cap should have it summarily removed and replaced with a nice knitted Andean one with ears.
Redhoyt, you're complete idiot by not reading.
May 27th, 2011 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fido - I've been reading for over half a century ....... whereas I guess you are around puberty !
May 27th, 2011 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
@GeoffWard
May 27th, 2011 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh c'mon, Geoff! I'm talking about one of those LONG, smartass posts that you publish in about half of Mercopress threads! :)
Yeah, words are good,
May 27th, 2011 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0and unlike the BBC where there is a 400 character limit, here you have the luxury of developing an idea.
Some people might not like what you or I say, but, hey, what would be the point of posting if everybody thought the same?
And a bit of fun never goes amiss (#9).
Wrt Zelaya, you know where I stand.
And my research shows little stat correlation of mayhem with either the right or the left, just mayhem - increasing in anticipation of his return.
I never accepted the word coup, as the right to act fell within the (democratic) Honduran constitution.
What I am seeing in the last few years is the conscious warping of the democratic principles towards particular non-democratic end points. This is what gets up my nose.
Let's hope that Zelaya stays out of my nostril.
Not a coup then? Just the army doing its democratic duty :-)
May 28th, 2011 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's happened in Thailand too. The army in Turkey keeps guards the constitution in a similar fashion. Not an unusual idea at all then ?
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