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Defence minister denies Argentina is “obstructing” the Falklands economy
Defence minister Arturo Puricelli denied Thursday that Argentina was obstructing the economy of the Malvinas Islands as claimed by Falklands’ governor Nigel Haywood in his state of the nation speech to the elected Legislative Assembly of the Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“ ... The complaints from the United Kingdom “are born our of the geographic distance between the usurpers and the Islands, a fact which ratifies Argentine rights over the South Atlantic archipelago” said Puricelli. ...”
May 27th, 2011 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0There you go ..... their argument comes down the geography .... even though they know that such an argument has no substance in international law and that they would lose if they based an ICJ case on 'distance'.
“ ... by cutting all scientific links regarding common fisheries, limiting charter flights and making sea access ever more complicated, plus threatening all those companies involved in oil exploration or trade with the Falklands and with interests in Argentina....”
Fisheries .... ?? Well the squid seem to be all inside the Falklands EEZ !
Oil exploration ! Well it's obvious that the oil companies have been well and truly put off. Notice that BP has pulled out of Argentina LOL
What's that I hear? Screams of anguish from starving islanders? Oh no. It's the screams of frustration from Argies who thought that a trade war would get them what they've never had .... :-)
“Argentina is not strangling the Falklands economy.” well... he got that bit right....
May 27th, 2011 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pass the popcorn... I'll send out for pizza...
“Defence minister denies Argentina is “obstructing” the Falklands economy”
May 27th, 2011 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0He want's to watch himself, publicly stating that they're not doing their jobs properly like that....
“ ... The complaints from the United Kingdom “are born our of the geographic distance between the usurpers and the Islands, a fact which ratifies Argentine rights over the South Atlantic archipelago” said Puricelli. ...”
He's got a point there mind, I've always thought how unfair it is on someone breaking into a car when the cars owner spots them from the other side of the carpark and get's arsey with them, after all the thief is closer to the car...surely that confers ownership to him?
What he meant to say is that Argentina has been attempting to strangle the Falklands economy but has found out that actions are quite different to words:
May 27th, 2011 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0The costs and diplomatic effort involved in denying entry to 1 British warship, unnumbered hours debating legislation relating to the islands...with absolutely no enforcement mechanism and tedious summits around Latin America.......
All of this to try and subjugate a group of sparsely populated islands...It really has proven to be spectacularly impotent waste of time and money with no noticeable results at all other than some pissed of islanders and nationalist lunatics in Argentina trashing a port and occupying a boat owned by an Argentine company...its quite funny really...failure at its best :)
The 'Black Pig' was last seen in Monte......
May 27th, 2011 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, sum him up in 2 words- Frustrated Liar.
May 27th, 2011 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shows how frustrated he is when he thinks 2 navy ships denied docking facilities in Ur and Brazil hurts us - actually it HELPS us as we get the service and supply work !
Yes,Argentina looses the shipping links and all the goods and services that could be sold to the Islands and they loose all the air links and all the tourism spin off,and the shared scientific information which would help to stop the over fishing which has forced their fisheries to close and,and,etc and they look stupid because they are loosing £10's of millions every year,all for nothing,nothing ,nothing. Plus he looks like a Sábalo !
May 27th, 2011 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how can the Argentine Defence minister Arturo Puricelli even sugest that Argentina has the right to blocade our Islands from shipping links given that first he already states thay are not and on what grounds does he have to assume that these Islands (which belong to the people of the Falkland Islands which are protected by Great Britain ) are even allowed to be a subject of any Argentina dictator. Grow up Mr Puricelli.
May 27th, 2011 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The whole world is aware of just how determined your country is to blockade our homeland but as many have already said we are survivors and nothing you try to do to make life diccicult will work because we are a very resourceful people and will always find a way to get around your bullying tactics.
You will never strangle us into any kind of submission but rather the opisite is likely to happen. The rest of the decent world will judge you for what you and your Country really are . Liars and thiefs.
Why don't you crawl back into the hole you obviously come from because nothing you or your people do will distroy us.
A new class 42 destroyer (HMS Edimburgh) is on her way to a number of islands in South Atlantic waters to protect them from some naughty neighbours. However, from a Guglespaice (the other name is copyrighted) image, it appears that she has been provided with powerful lights to attract the squid it intends to catch...
May 27th, 2011 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right of innocent passage.
May 27th, 2011 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Innocent passage is a concept in admiralty law which allows for a vessel to pass through the territorial waters of another state subject to certain restrictions. The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea defines innocent passage as:
Passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State. Such passage shall take place in conformity with this Convention and with other rules of international law.”
And how is making a fishing vessel go miles out of its way NOT interference with this right? No legal basis exists for Argentina to demand that vessels crossing its jurisdictional waters should get Argentine authorisation. This is ILLEGAL interference.
Typhoon LOL argentina didnt require authorization to cross international waters, uruguay and brazil ask for their own will if they let them pass or not, so is not Illegal jaja, they are blocking the ships to malvinas because they want to, not becasue argentina told them not to.
May 27th, 2011 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 04 really is that what you think its happening?? i mean how can you say what argentina is doing is not affecting them when the same people who lives in malvinas is complaining because what argentina is doing its working...
poor kelpers but hey as puricceli said that's the problem that happen when the usurpers are 14.000 km from malvinas, well its simple, if they dont want their economy falls then give it back malvinas to argentina, but if you dont then keep complaining its music to us, oh Typhoon i almost forget if what argentina is doing its illegal then why your monarchy didnt say anything in the UN??
Redhoyt like the IMF right?? the potence manipulating that organization to keep the others economies...
besides argentina has a lot of countries and organizations supporting us (Unasur, OEA, Ibero-American summit, NOAL, Africa-Latin America summit, and anothers countries that are in favor to negociate this dispute, but i never heard any country supporting to the UK possition.
And what is the British government doing about it ? Come on Nigel,Pull your finger out or its back to Basra for you !
May 27th, 2011 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What Argetina is doing with the Falklands is just “economic terrorism”. Remember that CFK was a student activist during the early 70's (that was the politically correct word for “terrosist”)...she is doing it again!
May 27th, 2011 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sorry for the people living in the islands, going through this...jus keep faith, hopefully this kind of government will end some day. In like flint mates!
13 Terrorism??? JAJA the UK is attacking libia against the security Council committee plan and you say argentina is being terrorist?? jajaja do you know what terrorism means? i'll help you:
May 27th, 2011 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Domination by terror
2) Succession of acts of violence carried out to strike terror
3)Have a plan of action to the spread of ethnic hatred, religious or political
4)Having weapons of war, explosives, chemical or bacteriological agents, or any other suitable means to endanger the life or integrity of an unspecified number of people.
of curse im writing about terrorism which is the base to what you call economic terrorism but tell me something, the UN is telling to the UK to negociate the sovereignty, and uk refuse to it, this is a unilateral act against the UN. which is the international law, and you asy argentina is terrorist?
if argentina is a terrorist then denounce us to the UN lol
Searinox- like others you sometimes talk from a rear opening - Spanish fishing vessels transiting enroute to Uruguay from Islands waters have been told by armed Arg vessels to go all the way around ARG zone waters and approach Uruguyan waters from the north - that IS Argentina,s doing - NOT Ur or Brazil - look at a map arse.
May 27th, 2011 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK and FI would probably be prepared to sit down and talk with Arg on an open agenda but - dumbo - how can there be any talks when Arg has declared in advance that there is to be only ONE outcome- full Sovereign handover! Get a grip with reality and democracy and what self-determination means please.
Searinox, as someone who suffered a Dictatorship ,I thought you might support the UK trying to get rid of one who has been in power for 40 years. Or would you rather go back to the good old days of the 'disappearances' and periodical use of extrajudicial killings against the supposed 'subversives'. That Schifrunista, Puricelli, should stick to getting some money for fuel to run his Pucará,s on ,rather than commenting on something he knows nothing about !
May 27th, 2011 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islander1, you speak as you know about what self determination means, but you should know that self determination over a territory is jsut to colonies, not applied to invasions, when the uk took malvinas in 1833 they didnt ask for self determination to the argentinians who lives in there and expelled them putting their own people in there, which means is not a native colony, read ALL the UN resolution because you are close in jsut one.
May 27th, 2011 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Viscount “I thought you might support the UK trying to get rid of one who has been in power for 40 years” emmm 40 years in the power? are you talking about Cristina? because she is not in the politics since 40 years and being in politics doesnt mean being in the power, she is in the power since 4 eyars if you count to his husband 8 years, and i realy dont know what kind of press do you read because in this government there were not disappearance or “periodical use of extrajudicial killings against the supposed 'subversives”.
maybe you can explain me what do you mean because i dont understand what you try to say...
and about the “pucara” the UK underestimate to argentina saying things like that and the UK as the cowards they were and are sink the Belgrano which means 323 people deads, as people say there was 649 argentinians deads and 258 britishs deads if you dont count belgranos ship, 649 - 323= 326 in battle
the uk want to grow the number of kills from argentina because the numebr between both bands was almost the same, even being with USA and the NATO and Chile, so laugh all you want the same thing did your governors, and malvians war was the the war that made the UK lose more lifes and materials than any other war except the second World War.
Argentina IS obstricting the full 30 other countries of the EU and Mercosur. For her own reasons and strictly national interest.
May 27th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whether this single government can hold up the economic development of so many countries for much longer remains to be seen.
If Argentina does choose to do so, Argentina would be wise to not count on the support of any of these 30 countries in any action/inaction she cares to subsequently undertake .
18, im curious what obstruction was put by argentina, If you read adn understand what you read, the actual problem about Mercosur-EU negociations are because the EU is afraid that argentina “invade” the EU market especially in food category, now if you talk about protectionism read the WTO rules and you'll see what you are saying its stuped because is totaly legal
May 27th, 2011 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To #14 Searinox:
May 27th, 2011 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First, you need to read carefully! I said “economic Terrorism”, I did not say Argentina is a terrorist country.
Second, you asked me if I know what terrorism is..well let's see... I lived through it as an exchange student during the early 70's...
#1: Yes, I've seen that
#2: Kidnappings, bombing, sabotagging railway system, schools...military bases...
#3: acts aginst the Catholic Church and de-estabilizing government, universities, disrupting classes....etc
#4: Have you seen what the Argentinean Army captured from the subversives...?? They actually show it in 1978/77 I think.
Does it answer your question? How old are you by the way? Your historical span seems limited!
The islanders are some parasites, for many years before 1982 using our hospitals, schools and universities free, emergency patients and had sent planes to evacuate, YPF provided them with gas and oil, the only airline with the mainland was LADE
May 27th, 2011 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reminds me of the movie by Kurosawa's Samurai 7, were killed on both sides and the only beneficiaries were the cowardly peasants
They are not parasites all services provided were paid for,@17 you have no idea what you are talking about,stop with listing the dead and let them rest in peace
May 27th, 2011 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wow your stupid Alejandro Schmidt :) The reason why you had all that free stuff was because you were trying to make the islanders dependant on Argentina not the UK....Because Argentina knew back then and still does that no sovereignty deal could occur without the islanders consent, so Argentina tried sneakingly make the islands dependant on Argentina to make Argentine sovereignty more “palatable” to the Falkland Islanders, it was a big charade and had nothing to do with some benevolent higher calling by Argentina....it was a massive bribe to the islanders and a show piece to the UK to try and gain sovereignty by the back door, which unfortunately the British government of the day, eager to get rid of the legacy of empire, was only to eager to turn a blind eye to.
May 27th, 2011 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How very “heroic” of the benevolent Argentines who invaded in 1982 with their tanks, artillery, aircraft and ships and heroically forced the unarmed and “cowardly” “peasants” to live in their own shit and squalor for several months.....what true liberators!
Obvious that they were paid services but not education and medicine that is free in Argentina, the United Kingdom ignored them because they had no economic value for them.
May 27th, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And with regard to terrorism, Terrorism is using the famine to kill people like the British used in Ireland (1 million dead) in India (40 million dead) while in port British ships had yolk of grain ready to improvise a England The viceroy of India said it was part of natural selection (Darwin) Civilian deaths 20,000 Afrikaners in the Boer War women and children from starvation and disease
This is terrorism and genocide of the British a civilized people!
And that is relevant to the present day because????????????,no country has a squeaky clean past the only difference is our history is freely taught warts and all,be careful what you bring up your countries past may rise up and haunt you
May 27th, 2011 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then I go with the theme of dictatorship and the disappeared, will have been here a few thousand for domestic reasons but you have millions in their consciousness.
May 27th, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I live in Chubut, Patagonia Argentina and am of German descent, but the vast majority people as Trewelin, Gaiman, Esquel are desdendientes of Welsh and hate Britain, some migrated to this land, from the persecution they had in the 19 century
No I don't as I am not responsible for what happened in the past and life is to short to hate people alive today because of what their ancestors may have done,bearing in mind anything done by British Goverments of that time was not condoned by the majority of people as they had no vote only the the rich and titled did,the poor of all the home nations suffered not just the Welsh,Irish or Scots but they does not fit your way of thinking does it
May 27th, 2011 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok people agree not to blame their government, and I know many English people and I am very good fan of MCFC nor do I have to blame for the dictatorships that you have suffered or their colonial governments in pursuit of profit, we want this is resolved peacefully, because for us the Falklands is to you the Jersey Islands
May 27th, 2011 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 020# i told you the base of terrorism, economic terrorism is the same but with economic purposes so im not saying anything wrong, argentina is not doing economic terrorism, you are talking of the dictatorship or today, because taling about dictatorships related with the actual government i really dont see the similarity even you say it happend in 1977/78 but we are in 2011...
May 27th, 2011 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 022# why i have no idea what im taling about, explain me in what thing im wrong if you say i am...
23# you say we invade when we recovered... and look how cowards we were that when we as you said “invade” didnt kill any islander, if you know the war history then you'll know that the UK drop bombs over the islands and kill 3 islanders yourself not us, and your monarchy sink a ship with student out of the war radio, so...
I say you have no idea what you are talking about because of the bull that you have just posted which by the way makes no sense whatsoever
May 27th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well but you still dont tell me what about i wrote its wrong for you
May 27th, 2011 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0aside, the Islanders had to terror!, we do not We respected anything!
May 27th, 2011 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On 2 April, landing out of bullets in their guns to avoid bloodshed, inevitably there was a battle each other on the governor's house but died an Argentine officer, no occupation Royal Marine during the martial law had respect to the properties of the inhabitants and when there was a theft of a sheep or food by the soldiers who did not eat in days were severely punished?? to another with this story Islanders
“Islander1, you speak as you know about what self determination means, but you should know that self determination over a territory is jsut to colonies, not applied to invasions, when the uk took malvinas in 1833 they didnt ask for self determination to the argentinians who lives in there and expelled them putting their own people in there, which means is not a native colony, read ALL the UN resolution because you are close in jsut one.”
May 27th, 2011 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Searinox,
There was no right to self-determination in 1833, that right simply did not exist then. It did not come into being until after 1945. Also, no matter how many times you lie about the population being expelled, it won't change the fact that it wasn't. And I challenge you to produce one single UN resolution that limits the right to self-determination to native or indigenous peoples. Just one. Do it or again be proved a liar.
17 Searinox (#)
May 27th, 2011 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Islander1, you speak as you know about what self determination means, but you should know that self determination over a territory is jsut to colonies, not applied to invasions, when the uk took malvinas in 1833 they didnt ask for self determination to the argentinians who lives in there and expelled them putting their own people in there, which means is not a native colony, read ALL the UN resolution because you are close in jsut one.”
And of course Argentina has never done any thing like that have they? Oh I forgot of course they did they murdered the indidinous people to at least in 1833 The argentine civillians were allowed to settle here of their own free will Those that did not want to left they were not kicked out though in hindsite maybe that is exactly what should have happened.
Why your leaders have even put pressure on your neighbours to support you because on your own you haven't a chance.
“and about the “pucara” the UK underestimate to argentina saying things like that and the UK as the cowards they were and are sink the Belgrano which means 323 people deads, as people say there was 649 argentinians deads ”
small number by comparison your lot killed when you stole the natives land.
Why you ever bother to make comment beats me because we have no intention of giving in to dictators and remember what happened to your lot last time they poked their nose into our affairs
33# UN resolutions okey, UN resolution 1541 says that the UN define a colony as people who are far from the country who colonized them being the colony from different ethnic ( but they are a british colony with british people so no different ethnic)
May 27th, 2011 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN resolution 2625 UN define a colony as people that were put under the subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation by colonial countries ( but they were not put under the subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation because its was the same colonial country who put them in there)
besides it doesnt matter that in 1833 there were not self determination right,
argentina was independent in 1816 and the UK invaded malvinas in 1833 which means invasion, and the UN resolutions are not applied since everything after 1945, UN resolutions are applied for everything since and before 1945, thats why there is a descolonization committee. do you think that the problems that happend in 1944 for example were not talked in the UN when it was created??
the UN was created to give a solution to every problem not only to the actual problems.
because for us the Falklands is to you the Jersey Islands
May 27th, 2011 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentina belongs to the Falklands then
. Formerly under the control of Brittany, but in the archbishopric of Rouen, the island was eventually annexed to the Duchy of Normandy by William Longsword, Duke of Normandy in 933 and it became one of the Norman Islands. When William's descendant, William the Conqueror, conquered England in 1066, the Duchy of Normandy and the kingdom of England were governed under one monarch.[44] The Dukes of Normandy owned considerable estates on the island, and Norman families living on their estates founded many of the historical Norman-French Jersey family names. King John lost all his territories in mainland Normandy in 1204 to King Philip II Augustus, but retained possession of Jersey, along with Guernsey and the other Channel Islands. The islands have been internally self-governing since then.[45]
oh yeah yeah of curse, how cant i saw it before, because malvinas not only argentina is from the UK, all america is from the UK because malvinas xD
May 27th, 2011 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0come on you most have something better than that
Searinox- you do indeed talk from where I indicated! Many have corrected you on the truth of what happened to civilians in 1833.As for 1982 causing most British deaths since WorldWar 2 - crap!- the UN war in Korea in the 1950s and now another UN war in Afghanistan.
May 27th, 2011 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Love to hear more about all this solid support for Argentina? Tiny Uruguay ,who we appreciate has to basically do what bigbrother says, embarassingly for them turned away a British warship visit last year- big deal - other Falklands Flag registered ships still visit Uruguay.Brazil turned away a small naval vessel as well - bloody stupid bad timing by some idiot in London to even ask for it at that time with a new President about to make her first overseas trip- to Argentina! Has not affected the Brazil-UK defence agreement at all.Nor other Br flagged ships going to Brazil. British warships still visit Chile no problems, as do Falkland flagged vessels also. All those countries recognise the existence of the Falkland Islands Government. just where is all this solid support you and others keep on about - old Hugo only?
All countries in the EEC recognise us - and deal with us as an EEC Associate Member State- just the same as Spanish and Portuguese offshore territories. If there is a Mercosur-EU Deal - we will be part of it like all the others , and Argentina will have to accept it - or be told to shut up by the likes of Brazil who want to trade better with Europe?
35 Searinox
May 27th, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Eh?
May 27th, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talking out of your arse Searinox
May 27th, 2011 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the 38-year Operation Banner, which ended in 2007, 763 servicemen and women were killed as a direct result of terrorism. It is estimated that the true total, including car crashes, suicides and friendly fire, stands at more than 1,300. More than 6,000 were wounded, some of them permanently disabled
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_British_soldiers_killed_in_Northern_Ireland_since_1969#ixzz1Nadegamz
35 Searinox
May 27th, 2011 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....anyway, to continue.....
I'll say the same thing to you that I always say to anyone who comes out with the 'they are a british colony with british people so no different ethnic' argument.
That may be, but we have nothing in common with Argentina, ethnically or otherwise. Therefore, if you gained possession of the Falkland Islands against our will, we would be a colony and therefore entitled to self- determination.
I see your point about Jersey. Jersey is full of British people who want to remain British. So is the Falkland Islands.
That is the point you were making , isn't it?
Actually, the similarities are less clear after that. Jersey is off the coast of France and France is.......not trying to claim Jersey because the French are not stupid.
41# terrorism is not bilateral war
May 27th, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 038# islander mercosur is a market union if argentina dont like something about the business then it is not mercosur, the same happend if brazil dont like it too, if someone of the mercosur dont like then the rest is bilateral business not mercosur. if you will write about something you should know at least something about it.
As long as i know europe is not the world, besides even when i know the european “recognize” about malvinas is not truly in the way you think it is,
because for example a few days ago i dont know if you heard about it, one argentinian embassador goes to italy and talk about malvinas and italy told they are in favor that UK and Argentina negociate the malvinas sovereignty, which means a neutral possition, and we know that chile let british ships goes to malvinas but i never said that chile didnt let them stay in their ports, i said brazil and uruguay didnt, and you should read your own press, because last week one british embassador went to uruguay and uruguay told him they will not let ships stay in their ports in continental solidarity, and the same brazil, and they already dont let them in, so if you think different then show me
649 argentinians deads and 258 britishs deads if you dont count belgranos ship, 649 - 323= 326 in battle
May 27th, 2011 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the uk want to grow the number of kills from argentina because the numebr between both bands was almost the same
And if you dont count the poor souls on the Royal Navy and RFA ships ?
44# do they were inside the war radio or outside the war radio??
May 27th, 2011 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 45
May 27th, 2011 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I do know, is that you are Radio rental :-))
I really hope that the Argentinean marine does not try to intercept and capture (Br) vessels in transit to/from the Falklands on the high seas.
May 27th, 2011 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can envisage this being scheduled once the ducks are in line with the Unasur 'Defense' agreement.
Argentina will make it a make-or-break issue with the Latin Lackies/Lackeys and will expect the Continent to rise up against the UK if the UK responds - as it will.
And NATO will be the alliance weapon of the UK, not the UN.
Tweaking the tail of the Western Alliance, hoping for a response of words, is a dangerous tactic.
Such a 'short, sharp shock' would break SA (Unasur) politically and economically away from NA, Europe and much of the rest of the world.
China would be the beneficiary, and all SA would come to learn that it would have been better to have never happened.
I really, really hope that the SA nations have the sense to avoid the trap.
well then why do you say it, it was the UK with the NATO who say how far was the war radio, and we didnt attack anything outside the war radio, belgrano ship was outside the war radio thats why i said they were cowards, you know that the submarine that sink the belgrano was chasing it for 36 hours, margaret tatcher said they sink it because it was dangerous to the UK but if the ship its dangerous then why chase it for 36 hours, besides why to say a war radio when they will attack outside the war radio they said it would be.
May 27th, 2011 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i even saw a video from an english women asking to tatcher why she sink the belgrano when it was not in battle and outside the war radio look here is in youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWOy23MLY1I
@35 Searinox:
May 27th, 2011 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Resolution 1541(XV) establishes an administering country has a duty to transmit information to the C24 Decolonisation Committee under Article 73e. That is all.
By your own argument the British have no duty to cooperate with the C24 under UN Charter 73e
However, you wrong because Argentina voted that resolution 1514(XV) covers the case of the Malvinas and the vote was carried unanimously by the UN General Assemblythe Malvinas had a colonial “Crown Colony” govt. that was alien to the Malvinas peoples, subjugated them and did not represent them. This is why the UK must report to the C24 on its progress on the implementation of UN Resolution 1514(XV) entitled “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples”. Resolution 2065(XX) confirms resolution 1514(XV) covers the case of the Malvinas.
However, reading the annex of resolution 1541(XV) then:
“Principle II
... As soon as a territory its peoples attain a full measure of self-government, the obligation ceases..”
The people of the Malvinas can argue today with the FIG and its democratic structure, that they have a full measure of self-government and that according to resolution 1541:
Principle VI
...A Non-Self-Governing Territory can be said to have reached a full measure of self-government by
(c) Integration with an independent State...
Principle IX
Integration should have come about in the following circumstances :
(a) The integrating territory should have attained an advanced stage of self-government with free political institutions, so that its peoples would have the capacity to make a responsible choice through informed and democratic processes;
(6) The integration should be the result of the freely expressed wishes of the territory's peoples acting with full knowledge of the change in their status, their wishes having been expressed through informed democratic processes, impartially conducted based on universal adult suffrage”
These are the true facts
These are the true facts
May 27th, 2011 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You wouldnt know the truth if it bit you in the arse
The Belgrano capt and the Argie govt thought the sinking was legitimate
The Belgrano was sunk outside the 200-nautical-mile (370 km) total exclusion zone around the Falklands. Exclusion zones are historically declared for the benefit of neutral vessels; during war, under
international law, the heading and location of a belligerent naval vessel has no bearing on its status. In addition, the captain of the Belgrano, Héctor Bonzo, has testified that the attack was legitimate (as did the Argentine government in 1994)
You cheeky little monkey, Searinox.
May 27th, 2011 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You attacked the Falkland Islands, and that was well outside your 'radio'. And the Falkland Islands were defended by a couple of marines.
Who did you say were cowards?
49# Domingo i know about UN resolution 1514 but the UN resolution 2065 say it is a bilateral question, did you know that self determination cant be applied in a bilateral dispute territory?? so even if they get a self-government it is not applied as long as there were a dispute between both countries.
May 27th, 2011 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 050# in the video a put in the 48# Margaret tatcher say herself that she change the rules even knowing about the peruvian peace plan, she didnt want peace she wanted for cheap nationalism, its funny when you read or hear a brit talking about argentinian nationalism when tatcher was the unpopular prime minister and after this was the most popular prime minister, how easy to manipulate you just make some fake brit nationalism and anyone can take you in their hands.
51# Do you know what is the war radio?? it was requested by the UK and as i told before in the 48# it is the same margaret tatcher who said she change the rules even knowing there was a way to stop the war, but she didnt because you are easy to manipulate by cheap nationalism
50# really i never heard that we said that what happend to belgrano was legal but show me where do you read o watch that, i want to see it too. but if you dont have...
Alejandro - respect for civilians does not involve booby trapping their home with explosives (which Argentine soldiers did).
May 27th, 2011 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It does not involve loving a large group of people in to one room with minimal sanitation (which Argentine soldiers did).
It does not involve using schools as ammunition dumps (which Argentine soldiers did)
It does not involve using a children's slide as a mount for a rocket launcher (which Argentine soldiers did)
It does not involve sheltering artilley pieces by civilian homes knowing we would not direct fire on them (which Argentine soldiers did)
It does not involving using their Post Office floor as a lavatory (which Argentine soldiers did)
Respect for the islanders would be leaving them alone to live their lives in peace.
53# even when a lot of things you say is in your imagination, explain me this, if they can be an autonomous village then go back to the press article, why do they worry about what we do, if they can live alone then what argentina brazil and uruguay are doing is let them really alone as you say, so i really dont understand why they are complaining all the time about what argentina do.
May 27th, 2011 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i can accept that one country or better one government can be wrong about something, but all latinamerica, NOAL, iber-american summit, african -latinamerica summit, all of them are wrong too??...
You are wilfully misunderstanding. Either that or you don't understand the language.
May 27th, 2011 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't want to be alone.We just don't want to be persecuted. We want normal friendly relations with our neighbours.
What you are doing is treating us like crap and bullying your neighbours into doing likewise. The fact that you can do it doesn't make you right.
35 Searinox,
May 28th, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 01541 doesn't define a colony. As its title quite clearly says, it defines those territories for which there is an obligation to transmit information under article 73e of the Charter. Nowhere does it limit the right to self-determination to indigenous peoples. If it did it would contradict resolution 1514 which says all peoples have the right to self-determination and UN practice because several of the territories on the UN list do not have indigenous populations. Some never had them as they were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans. In fact resolution 1541 does not define who is entitled to self-determination at all.
2625 doesn't define a colony. It says that the subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation violates the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, is a denial of fundamental human rights and is contrary to the charter.
From the same resolution:
By virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, all peoples have the right freely to determine, without external interference, their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and every State has the duty to respect this right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter.
It quite clearly says all peoples. It does not say indigenous peoples.
So, provide a resolution that limits the right to self determination to indigenous peoples or be proved a liar.
Argentina got its independence by secession from the Spanish Empire, and in the case of secession, the territory of a seceding entity consists of the territory over which it establishes effective control. Argentina never established effective control of the Falklands.
The fact that the UN deals with problems that started before the UN does not mean its resolutions have retroactive effect. That is an utterly ridiculous idea.
'Actual' means 'real' in English, not 'present'.
“did you know that self determination cant be applied in a bilateral dispute territory??”
May 28th, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0On what basis Searinox? Can you point us to the UN resolution which specifically denies self determination in situations where a bilateral dispute exists? Just one resolution will do...
Morning all. This has gone well I see.
May 28th, 2011 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0SiEquinox fighting a lonely and confused battle above. And still confused about the UN Resolutions, or just believes the cr*p his government kep giving. Sad!
Falkland Islands still British? Yes? Wonderful ........ ain't it nice to be in the right :-)
Searinox- you are in a muddle. You confuse British Ships with British WARSHIPS and British commercial cargo/passenger vessels!They are very different! British flagged comercial vessels do visit Uruguay and Brazil with no problem. Falkland Islands Flag vessels visit Uruguay.That is the reality.
May 28th, 2011 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Belgrano - suggest you ask your Admiral who was in command of your southern area fleet in 1982 - I saw him interviewed on TV in 1983 and he was quite specific - We were at war- and in war it is your duty to sink the enemy ship - we were waiting to pincer attack the British- they found us first and sank us - that is war and a Captain,s duty. Reality was simply that Belgrano was steaming a holding triangular pattern awaiting orders and at one time her bow faced the Islands and at another time it did not etc etc - ask her Captain.
Europe- they recognise us as British Overseas Territory- they also recognise there is a dispute ( everybody does- idiot) and Europe,s position (same as USA) is one of neutrality - it is up to UK and Arg to resolve.
But UK and Arg CANNOT resolve it simply because Arg will only talk about HANDOVER of Sovereignty regardless of the poulations wishes which Arg declares are irrelevant! - how millions of you still fail to understand that you start talks with an open mind and open agenda puzzles many of us- nobody has talks with a pre-fixed only outcome - thats a farce!
If Arg really wants to discuss the future of the Islands - Argentina has a lot of growing up and reality learning to do first.
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May 28th, 2011 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 060 AlejandroSchmidt ------respect you lot wouldn't know respect if it bit you on your asrses.
May 28th, 2011 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Are you saying that your governments never tortured people? that's right your country first kidnaped them tortured them then killed them en mass in the 70's
2)Are your sure that your country did not kill of the indigenous people that were in Argentina before you lot settled there with disease. Thats right you did and far worse.
3) Well now you know what awaits you lot if you ever think of invading the Falkands again.
4) Nothing wrong in hanging a few war criminals who mass murdered their way through life.
5) Are you jealous that we did not give a few medals to your lot when they tortured and killed thousands of innocent human beings.
6) Read history it was the Germans who first dropped their bombs on innocent civilians, but we sure as hell made sure that they did not do it again.
7) I was there that day, and I can tell you and anyone else that far from being innocent bystanders most of them would have lynched or done worse to us if given the chance, and we only opened fire when we were shot at from cowardly people hiding behind women and children.
8) It was war in war terrible things happen, and it was to the greater good to get rid of Nazi Germany. And I dont see many French moaning about it in this day and age.
9) Again in war people get hurt and die. However at least we try to keep those numbers down, sometimes to the detriment of our own forces.
10) Finally going back to the war in 1939-1945 Europe and respect. Where was the respect from Argentina when they gave sanctuary to all those Nazi's and their familys, the same Nazi's who commited genoside eh where was the respect then hey, thats right flying out of the window
Like I said respect you wouldent notice respect if it bit you on your arse.
1) When you are dealing with terrorists what do you expect ... besides the sleep deprivation technique used has been bettered by the US use of water torture !
May 28th, 2011 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 02) Long time ago, and not as a result of policy. A result of cock ups and a less than caring attitude.
3) refer to 1 when dealing with terrorists
4) never heard that before ... you are making it up!
5) sometime bad friends are the only one's available ... life's a bitch ain't it!
6) declare war on us then expect total war back ..... wimp!
7) it's OK for the IRA to do it but not us? Bloody Sunday was the result of nervousness .... again, not policy!
8) should hebve kept their heads down ..... besides, they gave in too quick and then assisted our enemies ... what do you expect?
9) Civilians/terrorists ... so hard to differentiate when they are shooting at you!
GermanSchmidt, you live in an unrealistic world .... suck your own eggs (whatever that's about) !
The islands are British ... get used to it. :-)
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May 28th, 2011 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Searinox - I appreciate that all you get is access to the “argentine” history. None of what I said is in my imagination and regardless if I direct you some records of suh event on the Internet then all you will say is that it is “pirate propaganda”.
May 28th, 2011 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Alejandro - I have never declined to admit that many things have been done by the UK which were wrong (I may be Britush but am Catholic and my mother is from Ireland). Nothing was done in my name as I am an individual which is something you Communists appear unable to comprehend.
With regards to your comment regarding the IRA. We have something called the peace agreement which has freed the population of Northern Ireland and given them the chance for real reconciliation. Your apparant support for a bunch of cold blooded murderers is rather sad and disguting; but why should I expect anything else from an Argie?
AND I CAN I EXPECT FROM SOMEONE WHO STANDS UP TO THE MASS THAT KILLED YOUR ANCESTORS? TRAITOR IS LITTLE
May 28th, 2011 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0LIVE THE IRA, KEEP KILLING ENGLISH
May 28th, 2011 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fan of the IRA?
Twenty Years On, A Family's Question Still Remains: Why Did The IRA Kill Our Sons?
The vicious IRA killings of two Australian tourists in Holland left two families waiting decades for answers, writes Suzanne Breen
A bomb ripped through the Mortar Room in the White Tower at 1430 BST.
The small basement exhibition room was packed with tourists from the UK and abroad who took the force of the blast.
Many people suffered badly damaged and lost limbs and severe facial injuries.
At least two of the victims were children and are being treated in St Bartholomew's Hospital.
Grew was wanted for questioning by German authorities who had issued a warrant for his arrest in connection with the killing of an RAF Corporal and his baby daughter.[4][5]
NaziSchmidt - have you forgotten that your kin murdered 6 million between 1939 and 1945 ?
May 28th, 2011 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The IRA have been defeated .... and now they are politicians, which is some kind of poetic justice maybe ! Still a few of their fellow idiots about, but they don't appear to be able to manage much. More importantly they are now impotent as they have no support amongst the general population. The Queens visit went down well I notice :-)
First, I am not Nazi
May 28th, 2011 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0second person: he who sows the wind, storms harvest, going the same way that the Yankees (You want them to imitate)
In Europe no one wants, sooner or later, the IRA, Muslims, Iraqis, Libyans, etc., etc. going to give it as in the twin towers
First, I am not Nazi
May 28th, 2011 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0but you are a fan of the IRA
A smile and a personality that attracted friends – that’s how Colin Parry OBE remembers his son Tim, who was only 12 when he was seriously injured by an.IRA bomb in Warrington.as he shopped for football shorts.
Tim died five days later from injuries sustained in the blast which also killed three-year-old.Johnathan Ball.and left 56 people injured.
67 Redhoyt (#)------ Of course he hasn't, I wouldn't be surprised if his family had something to do with it all, they all seemed to slink to that backwater they call Argentina thinking that they were safe from world retribution. So what if we tortured and killed a few Nazis its what they deserved, to be quite honest we did not do it to enough to them, and when we got our hands on the high ranking bastards all we did was hang them, we should have first stripped them naked and sliced off their skin slice by slice very slowly keeping them alive as long as possible and then tipping the bastards in a vat of acid.up to their neck
May 28th, 2011 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0If that's sounds barbaric then so be it, they were barbaric people that like the Argentinians did not give a dam about other nations and their people.
NOW GET LOST HERRSHIT lover of terrorism, perhaps we should look a little closer at Schmidt and see what he has been getting up to, he does seem to like terrorism, far to much for my liking
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
May 28th, 2011 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only missing the violins and you keep telling me sad stories, (I'm about cry)
Only missing the violins
May 28th, 2011 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should read The violin of Auschwitz the good little Nazi that you are
Shankill bomb massacre victims were:
John Desmond Frizzel 63 yrs Protestant married with three children a Civilian
Sharon McBride 29 yrs one child, daughter of John Desmond Protestant and Civilian also died
George Williamson 63 yrs Protestant married with two children a Civilian
Gillian Willamson 49 yrs Protestant married with two children a Civilian
Evelyn Baird 27 yrs two children Protestant and a Civilian
Michelle Baird 7 yrs old schoolgirl Protestant and a Civilian
Leanne Murray 13 yrs old schoolgirl Protestant and a Civilian
Michael Morrison 27 yrs three children Protestant and a Civilian
Wilma McKee 38 yrs two children Protestant married and a Civilian
Snif, Snif
May 28th, 2011 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Snif, Snif
May 28th, 2011 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0what at the paco again
Alejandro - you are sounding more and more like Jihad Jorge the Talib. My ancestors come from many areas and have propbly had some form of repression from various groups/nations at various points in history. I don't however live in the past when I can profit from the present and future.
May 28th, 2011 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You appear to be a bloodthirsty type of fellow. Why don't you join the Argentine forces and stage an invasion of the Falkland Islands? You will soon see blood and will find out what the sharp side of a Kukri feels like.
If you want a sad story then I have one for you - Argentina.
Smells like a Nazi, reads like a Nazi ...... must be a Nazi !
May 28th, 2011 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... The enemy of my enemy is my friend ....”
Well done, now you know why we were happy to deal with Pinochet :-)
LIVE THE IRA, KEEP KILLING ENGLISH
May 28th, 2011 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0-You do know that the Republicans in 30 years of violence actually managed to kill more of their fellow Catholic countrymen than English?
British by sowing winds will reap wind storms and with radiation.
May 28th, 2011 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Amen
Oh here goes with the Argentine WMD brigade. How low can the Argentine IQ actually get?
May 28th, 2011 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nico - in 1982 Argentina decided to sow some seeds and Britain became the Grim Reaper for your Armed Forces and your dictatorship. We know all about reaping.
Well there is a name I ain't seen in a while Alejandro Schmidt. I'm surprised he hasn't started threatening to fight and kill you all. Which I find amusing as he is a bit of a short arse and about 7 stone dripping wet.
May 28th, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Big fan of Hitler btw and once bragged to me that Argentina had gotten rid of its coloured poulation during the War of the Triple Alliance as cannon fodder (he seemed to think this was a good thing).
Dim obviously thinks that Argentina has the right to drop a nuclear weapon of some sort on either the Falklands or the UK.
May 28th, 2011 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's a bit of advice; a non-nuclear power attacking a nuclear power is risky, and probably stupid, since for a country to own a nuclear arsenal means by default that its military is in general is more advanced than one that does not have a nuclear arsenal.
We all suspect Argentina has already learned this lesson the hard way in 1982.
Here's a bit more; attacking a nuclear power with a nuclear weapon is mad, no really, it is MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction), since the stakes have been raised and the covers can come off the big toys.
What exactly do you think might happen if Argentina set off a real nuclear weapon, or dirty bomb, on the Falklands or UK soil? Do you think the World would rejoice? Do you think that if London were raised to the ground, or Stanley were polluted with a dirty bomb that there would be no retribution on Argentina? Do you think the World would prevent the UK from responding like with like? Do you think that we would just turn the other cheek and accept the situation?
Dim, you really are dim, and talk of dangerous games.
Searinox. What should we think of you? Are you a brainwashed fool? Or a demented psychopath?
May 28th, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A few little facts for you. Brotain arrived in the Falkland Islands in 1690. Long before your country was ever thought of by anyone. In fact it'sclose on 100 years before the Viceroyalty of the River Plate existed (1776). So you see how far off the truth you are. In that same year (1776) Britain withdrew from the Falklands because of the economic necessities of the American War of Independence and the Napoleonic Wars. But it maintained its right to sovereignty. When Britain returned in 1833 the only people required to leave were the troops of the United Provinces garrison. Ordinary settlers were invited to remain, if they wished, under British sovereignty. Most remained. So Argentina didn't really recover the Falklands in 1982. But Britain did!
Now never mind all your silly UN resolutions that you like to quote. Did you know that only UN Security Council resolutions are binding? And Argentina ignored one of those in 1982. The one that told Argentina to get out of the Falklands. But you lot thought that Britain wouldn't or couldn't do anything. Wrong!
And on the subject of self-determination, check out the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Which Argentina has signed and ratified. Article 1 recognises the right of all peoples to self-determination. It also recognises their right NOT to be deprived of its means of subsistence. So interfering with a fishing vessel from the Falklands bound for Uruguay not only breached the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea but also that Covenant. See what lawbreakers “Argentines” are? You invade sovereign British territory in 1829, again in 1832 and again in 1982. You ignore UNSC resolutions. You breach international laws that you have signed and ratified. Just a rogue state!
That sad, I lived under a dictatorship and it is, you can not grasp what he did that dictatorship and continue for centuries.
May 28th, 2011 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing worse than state terrorism and is applied by the British without dictatorship governments see these pages on the Internet and translate what they did, do, and the behavior of its soldiers in 1982, very brave against unarmed conscripts 18 years , had it been reversed, the dead had been violated Kelpers
http://www.cpdhcorrientes.com.ar/laotracara.htm
http://www.cpdhcorrientes.com.ar/laotracara.htm
http://www.cpdhcorrientes.com.ar/laotracara.htm
http://www.cpdhcorrientes.com.ar/laotracara.htm
To comdom JustinKuntz used what I said was that the Argentine government took the opportunity to deshacerce of men of color and conviction as well as did the Americans in Vietnam with those of lower social strata guerra.o sending them to the English with Canadians in Dieppe and Galipolli Australians.
Kisses, I love you and you are well
redhoyt of curse im alone because if you didnt see, it is a british press, and all of you are british, between someone saying 1541 resolution didnt say about colonies, anothers saying that we kill natives after independence, or saying that a war radio is put to brake the rules i really dont know who of you is more stupid
May 28th, 2011 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0unarmed conscripts 18 years
May 28th, 2011 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So they were unarmed now,so who did the tons of arms and ammunition captured by the British belong to
I know SiEquinox ... it is yourself !
May 28th, 2011 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alejandro - unarmed!! The only time your soldiers were unarmed was after you surrendered. Just to reinforce the point, you surrendered (under conditions and terms that were illegal under Argie law).
May 28th, 2011 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So now apparently Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands with nothing more than some foul Iberian language and a couple of beef sandwiches! Now they have a few patrol boats, a few 1960s designed transport helicopters and some jets that are not air worthy. Sounds like the garrison at Mount Pleasant will be easy picking for the ultra professional, courageous and technologically advanced Argentines.
Besides English nerds assholes!
May 28th, 2011 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not read well understaffed shit! Look online at the links I put, as the British soldiers were shot and raped unarmed prisoners
Alejandro - firstly I don't read or speak your Iberian language (there is no reason for me to learn it, but you appear to want to learn English). If you want to post a link then make it accessible at least.
May 28th, 2011 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 All Argentine prisoners were treated in accordance with the Geneva convention (and as such were treated better than the way their own officers treated) and you can ask the Red Cross if you wish.
You can make all the claims you wish but in terms of the 1982 conflict the only fact that ultimately matters is who was victorious and who ran away, dejected and defeated. You have not dared try again and neither will you!
AlejandroSchmidt?
May 28th, 2011 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BullSchmidt more like.
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May 28th, 2011 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 088 AlejandroSchmidt
May 28th, 2011 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooh, you're a nasty piece of work aren't you?
What was your military dictatorship doing sending unarmed 18 year olds over here to do its dirty work?
Why don't you ask someone to tell you about the Bahia Buen Suceso, parked off the end of Fox Bay jetty 100 yards from civilian houses, and packed with ammunition and incendiary devices. Or the Isla de los Estados that went up like a firework in Falklands Sound.
I know that Mr M has very fond memories of being held at gunpoint by an Argentine soldier as a small child. If he'd known they were all unarmed he could have kicked him in the balls and run away.
Except they weren't unarmed, and you are a prize idiot and a liar.
Alejandro - so you admit to have lost the argument so decide to surrender and leave with nothing more than a baseless insult. Yep, you are certainly an Argie!
May 28th, 2011 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@91
May 28th, 2011 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“see you soon”
Doubt it Schmidt, I'm not planning to visit Argentina any time soon and there's no way you'll be dragging you yellow hide over to the Falklands any time soon (unless you visit as a tourist).
Won't be seeing you soon, Nazi scum.
:-)
Ignore the keyboard warrior, he isn't worth it, he just likes to stir it up.
May 28th, 2011 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can just see it in the Hershit household when he was younger.
May 28th, 2011 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now My little Fritzy vot plans have you today. Why papa, Because my leetle Fritzy I have a nice surprise for you, vot is it Papa. Ve are going to crack a vew skulls and pull vout a few fingernails, voud my leetle Fritzy like that? Oooo ves Papa ooo ves please, comonzee then my leetel Fritzy vet Papa show vow eets done.
You know my leetle Fritzy Papa learned vow to do this in ze Muderland, vo how Hitler laughed vo how he laughed as he vanked im self off as we did it.
Now my leetle Fritzy voud you like to put zee vires von that voman. zee how she jumps ven ve turn on zee power. Oh my littel Fritzy voo are a naturale, ze Gestapo voud be proud of you.
I just found it rather interesting he decided he had lost so gave an insult and left. Obviously went to the Gen Menendez school of conflict tactics!
May 28th, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strange isn't it how the Argentine writers always seem to divert every one who makes a comment in a Mercopress story to that of ancestral history.
May 29th, 2011 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0How long will it take for them to realise this is not 1592, 1776 0r 1982 but today and the rest is History.
The sooner we put the History behind us and start looking more positively to the future the quicker our Countries will resume a more normal relationship. Constant point scoring over something that may or may not be facts is a total waste of time. We are who we are Falkland Islanders just as the Argentines are Argentines and the British are British nothing more nothing less. Just because we have British soldiers protecting us does not make us a different culture. We have a lifestyle we choose which happens to be of the English language and culture just as Argentina has their own culture derived from Spanish, Scottish, English, German and so on . You never hear Islanders complain that Spaniards of Spain colonized what is now Argentina.
I personally so wish that those Argentines who continue to live in the past will be firmly replaced with a generation of peace loving people who will accept us in our Country for what we are . FALKLAND ISLANDERS. Better still KELPERS.
We have a way of life here that is the envy of the modern world and that I suspect is the current root cause of the Kirchner establishment tantrums because they have made such a mess of their own Country.
Without their spurious verion of history and their distorted interpretation of international law, they have no claim. This frustrates them, so they keep wheeling out the same old diatribe.
May 29th, 2011 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0With little effect obviously :-)
They all seem to be liars. l think that they think that a lie is acceptable if it means that they can“save face”. Well, señor(e)s, we don't care about your face & we don't care for your face. Just remember, the Falklands are ours, not yours & never will be yours. Get used to it. l know you feel frustrated, well, get used to that too.
May 29th, 2011 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@48Searinox,
1) so what if the Belgrano was outside or inside of some “zone”.
2) it was an enemy ship that could have posed a danger to our ships.
3) so what if our submarine stalked it for 36 hours, c'est la guerre.
4) enemy ships(except hospital ships) can be sunk anywhere.
5) your own forces were attempting to blow up our ships in Gibraltar, no?
-a long, long way from any “zones” Argentine double standards at work.
@AleSchmidt
May 29th, 2011 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0What Beef is trying to say to you when he posted:
“Alejandro - firstly I don't read or speak your Iberian language (there is no reason for me to learn it, but you appear to want to learn English). If you want to post a link then make it accessible at least.”
Is that you have to understand that the poor Brits only have two neurones on their brains.
One is for learn English and the other is for indoctrination.
They quickly run out of RAM if you post in other languages. So what do you do when you little dog doesn’t understand what you are saying? Will you beat the poor animal?
Of course not! You have to go down to its level and say gua gua gua agagagagagag pucky pucky gua gua.
You have to understand their limitation.
: )
@101NDin,
May 29th, 2011 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0rattle-rattle plonk. rattle-rattle plonk,
sounds coming from your head as you walk. loose marbles in your skull.
You are a complete raving idiot, man. Wake up to yourself.ldiota
We don't need to learn any other languages Dim ... everyone wants to learn ours :-)
May 29th, 2011 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0NicoDim - My wife is fluent in German and Russian and with my work in Korea I have picked up some conversational Korean. The four most important business languages in the world are English, Mandarin, Hindi and Arabic. For some reason however you feel it is a requirement for you to speak English. Even you Anglophobes have a craving to communicate in our language. There is absolutely no need for me to waste my time learning Spanish. Why was the surrender document in the Falklands War written in English?
May 29th, 2011 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you communicating with Alejandro the Nazi for? Cant you see that he decided to live up to our expectations of an Argie and decided to surrender when he was exposed as a coward of limited intelligence with no coherent argument.
Ultimately i don't have to justify my intellect to you. The prefix in front of my name and my employment in the world most respected Higher Education sector speaks for itself.
@Redhoyt
May 29th, 2011 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mi no compende seor? Habla Ud. Españolo?
I know Red that its not your fault who can blame you for having such crappy arrogant ignorant politicians like bald head Mark Oaten, former LD MP who led the stupidity and quit parliament after cheating on his wife with a rent boy... ha ha
There is not something worst than an arrogant and ignorant. Very silly combination I guess.
I hope he was not paying your rent ha ha
BTW Are you taking religious education too?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/8398268/Disgraced-MP-Mark-Oaten-takes-job-promoting-fur-trade.html
Amazing!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/8398268/Disgraced-MP-Mark-Oaten-takes-job-promoting-fur-trade.html
English in decline Oops so sad so sad...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/8398268/Disgraced-MP-Mark-Oaten-takes-job-promoting-fur-trade.html
Do you what a job? Do you speak Spanish to start with?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/8398268/Disgraced-MP-Mark-Oaten-takes-job-promoting-fur-trade.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/8398268/Disgraced-MP-Mark-Oaten-takes-job-promoting-fur-trade.html
I guess you will have to learn Spanish ASAP mate sorry, else you will be replaced for a Chilean with better skills language than you.
: )
'rattle-rattle plonk'? .... he would sound like a plonker.... oh yes he is a plonker.....
May 29th, 2011 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0English in decline Oops so sad so sad...
May 29th, 2011 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dont you feel a fecking idiot for learning it then:-))))
The issue posed is whether the Argentinean Defense Minister is right, and Argentina is not is obstructing the Falklands' economy.
May 29th, 2011 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Self evidently, he is wrong.
Argentina IS obstructing the Falklands' economy.
It is also obstructing the economies of all Mercosur countries and all EU countries.
So over 30 separate nations are presently being obstructed by Argentina.
The Falklands are in good company.
@Sticky
May 29th, 2011 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not at all Sticky on the contrary.
I have learned a lot of things not very useful and so what?
You sure have learned Pythagoras theorem and how many times you’ve used it in your life?
You have sure learned about the solar system and how many times do you go in vacation to the moon?
Learning other languages it is not just a matter of business or is just useful to find a job, provides you a tool to see the world from other point of view. You can have the information that local press translates according with their editorial, from the original source.
Give the change to you to see opportunities in other parts of the world, to understand local people and the way they think, etc.
Be global think local.
And also gives me the opportunity to say to you how silly you are. Can you see how useful its is?
But not your only interest is in the Manchester United eh mate?
Great future you will have in the years to come.
@GeoffWard
Wow you forgot to say that we are obstructing the world. Did we create the world financial crisis by doing this also?
Ha ha
Anyway and what are you going to do?
the path to an education is often paved in English
May 29th, 2011 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you're an exception to the rule Nicotine
While the business sector is willing to hire Spanish-only speakers to provide cheap labor in menial jobs and more than happy to market to them in Spanish so as to sell them company products and services, how many businesses would hire someone who only spoke Spanish to fill a well-paying professional position? Also consider the frequently unimpressive educational attainment of many hispanics--especially those that only speak Spanish--in a knowledge-based economy. Futhermore, the path to an education is often paved in English
@ 110 you were just born in a country where English is the official language, that's all, it's not like you've chosen to be born in the UK. You people, don't speak other languages simply because in the UK, learning languages was considered a matter of no importance until very recently, and nglish is the easiest language to learn, even if you decide not to study English you will learn it haha, it's a stupid language, I mean, in English you can say a word in different ways and people will understand what you're saying haha it doesn't matter the grammar, I didn't know there was an English grammar, you don't need to study English, you'll learn it without studying. Of course you are an old man, it would be a punishment for you to learn a different language, even more if you are a xenophobe, racist and etc, but young people in the UK seem to be interested in learning other languages, but of course you don't need to learn a different language when you have the power to exterminate people and feel that's the right way to go, why would you bother with languages like Arabic when you can kill the Arabs? You people find really hard to learn a foreign language, no matter how hard you try.
May 29th, 2011 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some links
http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/
@ 111
May 29th, 2011 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reel him in,hook line and sinker :-))))))
@ 112 sorry you got all angry, I thought that because you are an adult you would understand, I was wrong :)
May 29th, 2011 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sorry you got all angry
May 29th, 2011 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not angry,just pissing myself at your stupidty,and how easy it is to wind you up
@ 114 hmm so you are not angry? You seem to have lots of wind, wind more like a flatulence problem mmm
May 29th, 2011 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, mates,
May 29th, 2011 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we all like each other pretty much most of the time . . and today is Sunday.
Siesta.
@Sticky
May 29th, 2011 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the path to an education is often paved in English”
Are you joking?
“in a knowledge-based economy”
Can you enlighten us about your skills over knowledge-based economy stuff please?
I know that you hardly can write you own language and that your ignorance can be measure in tons.
But even though I’m just curious about your contribution to the knowledge-based economy.
Do you have at least any idea what you're talking about?
Another copy paste Sticky?
Sticky why you don’t stick to what you are really good at.. a mean watching Manchester United.
Ha ha ha you are a very funny guy, thanks for the good laugh I’m having now.
English in decline? Funny that English language summer schools appear to bring in millions of pounds to UK colleges and universities.
May 29th, 2011 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do many thousands of Chinese students come to the UK to study in our universities? Why are universities in none English speaking countries now delivering many of their courses with English being the medium of transmission? Why do all the Anglophobes on here appear to embrace our language?
Sounds to me like our native tounge is really the world language. Wait a minute is English also the first language of international diplomacy? It would appear that English is actually the world's language of choice.
Why would any sane person want to learn Spanish or any other language other than the more superior language of English after all Like Beef said its the language of international diplomacy and everyone wants to learn how to speak and write it . When will the Argentines on this site begin to realize that Britain that small little island is the far superior nation than their puny crime laden country at the bottom of the world and will continue to run rings around as its always done. :0)
May 29th, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0im be back, i was reading their conversations, how old are you? 15 years? I left because they can not hold a normal conversation, talking to you guys seem to, i was reading your comments and they are really immature, the silly to say I'm a Nazi? If my grandfather fought in the IWW and my father in the IIWW but they were not Nazis, but by my mother I am descended from Spanish if my father was Nazi had not been married to a descendant of Spanish.
May 29th, 2011 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then there is the issue that always defend a silly set as the Kukri, need for Gurkhas and British JOINING bullies? if I had been island, had fought, but it seems you have the blood of sheep and are bad to the distance and internet that brave.
Then I give some advice, stop masturbating over the Internet and come out with girls (or boys) and live life, study, and many say no bullshit like mobs
kisses
Alejandro - I would read a few of the other posts and start to gain a greater comprehension of the English language.
May 29th, 2011 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Herrshits back lads. Now he is trying to tell us he is not a Nazi !!!!!!!!!! I think, the rest I am not sure about, something about a Gurkha and his Kukri and some sheep!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God dont tell me he been trying to shag a sheep, sounds if he's been on the pop or the wacky backy.
May 29th, 2011 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Beef
May 29th, 2011 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“English in decline? Funny that English language summer schools appear to bring in millions of pounds to UK colleges and universities.”
Are you damp or what?
The article says “in decline” and not that you are going to disappear.
And if you would be able to read Spanish I will not have to translate part of this article.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1032987-el-instituto-confucio-eligio-la-argentina-para-abrir-una-sede
“El Instituto Confucio eligió la Argentina para abrir una sede”
“Confucio Institute chose Argentina to open a branch”
“En 2007, unos 50 rectores de universidades chinas visitaron la Facultad de Ciencias Económicas.”
“In 2007, 50 deans of universities from China visited the University of Economics Science of UBA”
“Hoy hay 20 universidades e instituciones que dan clases de chino a unos 3000 argentinos, y 200 chinos estudian español en la Argentina. “
“Today there are 20 universities and institutions teaching Chinese to 3000 Argentineans and 200 Chinese studying Spanish in Argentina.” Est. 2008
““En China, un traductor de español gana más que uno de inglés”, dijo Mengtang.”
“In China, a Spanish translator earns more than an English translator” Mengtang Said.
The world is changing and in the future the business language will be Chinese and the second most popular Spanish.
: )
AlejandroSchmidt
May 30th, 2011 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Honesty is always the best thing to do,
May we suggest you learn more history and poss.-English?
That we mere, mortals may well understand your point
it is not our fault we are the best, it is our destiny,
it is not Argentinians fault she is useless,,, its just not her day is it, lol
. . . I would rather it were Brasilian Portuguese, after all the hard work involved in what I found to be a rather difficult language to get to grips with !
May 30th, 2011 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0: )
mmmm some say japanese is hard ,, i wonder what is the hardest to learn, we presume English is easy, [only because we speak it ?
May 30th, 2011 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0English is very easy. I have a girl friend who's learned to read, write and understand English just by watching 'Friends' and translating lyrics by US pop musicians (specially Justin Timberlake) with the aid of a dictionary. She didn't even had to attend English courses.
May 30th, 2011 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Latin languages are far more difficult. Geoff can attest to what I'm saying. Those who are used to English's easy verb conjugations will be taken by surprise by Neolatin's verb system.
If it's easy .... it'll win !
May 30th, 2011 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0200 Chinese studying Spanish in Argentina! My word, looks like Argentina is the primary destination for HE then!!!
May 30th, 2011 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nico - there are well over 1000 students from China studying at my University in the UK. They are here to get their degrees (both UG and PG). That is only one UK university and you will see the same repeated up and down the UK.
The world has changed (it changes all the time). The change has has increased the number of people able to study overseas. They appear to be choosing Australia, the USA and the UK. In reality Argentina is not even an also ran.
Oh really NicoDim?
May 30th, 2011 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is what China really thinks of your universities vs ours:
The Jiao Tong Academic rankings top 500 for 2010
Number of UK universities: 38
Number of ARG universities: 1
And what the rest of the world thinks:
The QS World University Ranking top 100 for 2010
Number of UK universities: 19
Number of ARG universities: zero
The HEEACT ranking top 50 for 2010
Number of UK universities: 4
Number of ARG universities: zero
The Webometrics top 500 for 2010
Number of UK universities: 36
Number of ARG universities: 1
@130, J.A.R.
May 30th, 2011 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for that info. l know which universities my kids are going to.
On the ease of learning foreign languages thread:
May 30th, 2011 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I found some of it was down to 'facility' - even when young I found Fr & Gr exceptionally difficult to learn, though others in the same classes became totally fluent seemingly without instruction - a week in 'Benedorm' seemed sufficient!.
Now I am 'of a certain age', the difficulty is compounded by the loss of many, many neurons in the brain. Being aged makes language learning significantly more difficult if the processes were not fixed well in brain pathways in youth.
Other processes, like ADD, dyslexia, and 'general and specific learning difficulties' make matters even more difficult - as does prolonged anasthaesia during open heart surgery (etc). This last cause I can also attest to.
This is why I find it easier to use a blog in English rather than one in Portuguese. A pity, but there it is!
I think Spanish is a very beautiful language.
May 30th, 2011 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason so many people learn English is that it is the 1st international language, 2nd is Spanish, 3rd French. This does not mean it is the most widely spoken - I think that would be standard Chinese - but languages used for business, diplomatic exchanges etc. It isn't a competition, just a fact.
It is still the official language in India and, I believe, it is used as the common language by the BRIC countries for communication.
@127 I met an Argentine chap out in the wilds of Argentina who learned to speak perfect English from watching old black and white English films. He sounded like Noel Coward! Brilliant! I wonder what happened to him? : )
@Beef
May 30th, 2011 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The post was not intended to show you that we have more or something like that otherwise to show you the trend. Especially in the point that 3000 Argies chose Chinese as a language to study.
And those figures are from 2007/8 at least 3 years ago.
We are not interest like you to impose our language to anyone.
To 2012 (next year) the quantity projected of foreigner students in Argies Unis will be around 100.000 is not much but this is something new for Argentina.
Of course we are far away from Britain who has around 300.000.
And even more from who holds 700.000 foreigners students (USA).
The total of foreigner student in the world according with Unesco is about 3.43 millions.
The countries with more people studying abroad are China with 450.000 followed by India.
Well we never have colonies do this will have something to do?
And Beef please don’t be so arrogant you have a PhD from Uki and you didn’t even know when UKI defaulted. I just wonder if you have any idea of what is M2 in money supply. Ha ha
Debts? What debts ... :-)
May 30th, 2011 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... The National Debt began when William III engaged a syndicate of City merchants to market an issue of government debt. The syndicate became the Bank of England, and HM government debt began a century-long climb, financing Marlborough’s wars, wars against the French, against the North American colonial rebels, and peaking in 1815 at the end of the Napoleonic Wars at over 200 percent of GDP. Government debt exploded in World War I and World War II and then equalled the level of 1815 reaching over 200 percent of GDP. Debt declined below 50 percent of GDP by the 1970s. ... ”
Been there, done that, got the T shirt .... founded an empire ... still going lol
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/downchart_ukgs.php?year=1692_2011&chart=G0-total&units=p
Default?
@Redhoyt
May 30th, 2011 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK currently owes at home and to the world 11 trillions dollars about 5 times the current GDP.
And growing default 100% guaranteed.
Red, In 1931 when the UK came off the gold standard it went into a technical default. But only technical, it didn't actually pay out less than it should have to investors. It's a straw people like NicoDimwit like to cling to. As for the other defaults NicoDim has mentioned elsewhere, they are nothing but a figment of his imagination.
May 30th, 2011 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some Argentine provinces actually did default in 1930 (and 1915), not to mention sovereign defaults in 1830, 1890, 1982 and 2001. Fleecing many investors of their hard earned savings. Pot, kettle and black come to mind...
@ 137 and anus
May 30th, 2011 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And growing default 100% guaranteed”
May 30th, 2011 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I default doesn't grow. It's and event. It happens.
And as for guaranteed, I don't think so. The UK's average debt maturity is about 14 years, more than double most other similar countries. Argentina is way more likely to default in the next 14 years than the UK.
@J.A. Roberts
May 30th, 2011 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“UK currently owes at home and to the world 11 trillions dollars about 5 times the current GDP.
And growing default 100% guaranteed.”
Well seems you found even hard to understand your language.
So here more clear is “all about what was wrote” plus “And growing (meaning the debt) then default 100% G” do get the idea now?
Do you research or even read what you write?
Default in economy, etc means a failure to meet any clause in a given contract.
A delay in payment is a “default”. Any change in the original contractual arraignment.
That doesn’t mean that you will not pay.
And the type of defaults we are talking about is sovereign national defaults.
UK has defaulted more than 3 times in history only 6 counties in the world have never defaulted on their national debts obligation. And UK is not in the list.
The problem we you guys is that your books of history always lies and are cleaned up of the bad things.
Here someone just superficially talking about previous UL defaults.
http://www.bondvigilantes.com/2010/02/02/what-happened-the-last-time-the-uk-defaulted/
UK is the next country to enter into sovereign debt trouble after Spain the list goes.. Iceland, Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain and next UK. You just have to be patient. That’s all.
From your own link NicoDim:
May 30th, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bondvigilantes.com/2010/02/02/what-happened-the-last-time-the-uk-defaulted/
“Yet there has never been a formal default...”
Yes NicoDim, you are as dim as your name suggests. The UK like any other country has had its ups and downs but it has NEVER defaulted on its sovereign debt. Not like Argentina, which has defaulted FOUR times. Please get your facts right.
Oh and all this talk of imminent default, and following Spain into the hole. Well perhaps you should have taken that Economics 101 course afterall. The average maturity on Spain's debt is half that of the UK. The UK's debt profile is completely different to Spain's. The markets know this and have priced it. Spain's bonds are trading at a MUCH WIDER spread than the UK's. What's more the UK can devalue it's currency, which Spain cannot.
Nico. You are more likely to die of old age being patient than the UK defaulting.
11 trillion, mmm someone has been telling porkies again,
May 30th, 2011 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thats bigger that the yanks .
US debt is 14 trillion ....
May 30th, 2011 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the last i heared it was about 7 trillion,, but lets not all argue over trillions, when most of us, well 95% of us, live in the thousands,
May 30th, 2011 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but , is any country solvent, and who ?
The UK doesn't pay its debts, other countries have been paying UK's debts, the UK is a virtual country owned by China, Germany, France and Norway.
May 30th, 2011 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wrong again, the UK is the only solvent country in the world,
May 30th, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we would be in the black, if it was not the fact we give to others before ourselves,,, and of course theirs argentina,, no one helps, you, they have done it all themselves,what would the world do without argentina, to keep as all on our toes ??
@ J.A. Roberts
May 30th, 2011 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what wrong with you mate?
Who cares if there was formal, informal, you have sent letters of whatever you believed was.
You have defaulted even though you don’t recognise the fact. Full stop.
What do you make to think that you are better than Spain? In fact uku is far worse.
Only a blind can say that UK is in better position.
@ briton
Another professional denier UK owes 11 trillions more than 1 t is domestic debt and 10 trillions is to international lenders.
US’ debt as well have said Arti is more than 14,402 trillions at the moment an rising.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
If for a nation like USA 7 times bigger than UK is a big burden for UK will be collapse there is no way UK can pay this debt back with a little GDP of 2 trillions.
“Britain's total debt will top £10 trillion by 2015, according to PricewaterhouseCoopers, which warned the burden could slow growth for decades as interest rates eventually rise.”
This will be $16.459 trillions of dollars
Do you get the idea?
Do you get the idea,,,of course we get the idea, but you failed to mention what Argentina was ,
May 30th, 2011 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but your point just justifies what I’ve been saying for years, the kindly British, getting robbed by it own government, if we did not lend our money to [E.U] overseas aid, foreign ain donations, we might have enough to pay off debts, but i may remind others that sooner or later , if the world don’t do something about debts, then the only other way, is bankruptcy, many will be happy if the UK and the USA went under, but the consequence to the free world would be a disaster, and the 3rd and 4th world countries , a catastrophe , what a funny old world we live in, I hope your solvent ??
@147 ... Out of the 14 trillion, 3 trillion came from Iraq and Afghanistan, 770 Billion due to the tax cut for the rich .... thanks GW!!
May 30th, 2011 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 148 “the consequence to the free world would be a disaster” oh, that's so sad :( The UK's a third world country, the USA too, joking in denial is not helping the UK no no angry briton
May 30th, 2011 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you think argentina will come out of this laughing,
May 30th, 2011 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and if the UK is a 3rd world country, Argentina is what ?
just remember pal, your at the bottom of the pile .
Want a country that does not owe money anywhere? Try Falkand Islands - has independent financial reserves equal to 2.75 times annual Govt budget expenditure - beat that Argentina? And a big thankyou to UK for the Defence Security that has enabled us to reach and maintain this position. If we get commercial oil - UK will of course be repaid.
May 30th, 2011 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mind you Argentinian predictions, never come true,
May 30th, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British will still be around for decades to come,
and Argentina will come around in decades , to the fact they have nothing much to laugh about .lol
Net (!) Government Debts / 2010 -- GDP %
May 30th, 2011 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SPAIN ....54.1 % UK .... 68.8 %
Gov. Debts/Revenues --2010
SPAIN .... 190 % UK .... 200 %
Gov. Interest Expenses / Revenues -- 2010
SPAIN .... 6,5 % UK .... 7 %
Gov. Debts held by abroad /2010
SPAIN .... 31 % UK .... 18,5 %
Budget Deficits /2010 --- % GDP
SPAIN .... - 11,1 % UK ... 11,4 %
Sovereign Rating /2010
SPAIN ... 9/Negative UK .... 10/Negative
Nicodim. Only a formal default is a formal default. Anything else is just your personal opinion. The UK has never formally defaulted on its sovereign debt. Argentina has. Four times.
May 30th, 2011 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You bought Spain up, not me. And you still ignore the fact that the UK's debt profile is very different to that of Spain and every other industrialised economy. Double the average maturity. Why do you think the UK can borrow at such low rates compared to economies with similar absolute debt levels?
You'll die of old age before the UK defaults NicoDim.
# J.A
May 30th, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comment (155) timing is very bad !
# JA, re. #155
May 30th, 2011 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will have to explain how the maturity period affects matters.
I fully accept your #139, but many have failed to grasp the significance.
Geoff.
@ 155 “Why do you think the UK can borrow at such low rates compared to economies with similar absolute debt levels?” hmm, because invading countries and killing people is a good way to obtain what mother nature did not give you? because your parterns are as criminals as you are and among criminals you feel protected and they will give you money just because you share secrets of mass murders and deceivers? or do they give you money because they love you or just because they own you and they are giving money to themeselves? The UK's a virtual country, just like a company owned by Germany, France, Norway and China and Russia, if those countries decide you die, then you die.
May 30th, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nico @ 134 - how can an Argie impose their language on someone? Do you speak Argentinean or something? Is it hard to learn? BTW, people choose to learn English or did we impose it on you as well?
May 30th, 2011 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xbox - I have heard of virtual worlds and virtual offices but I have never heard of a virtual country! Perhaps we really exist in the Matrix or something?
Dim is Dumb - only 100% of GDP .... we've hit 200% before. Check the link I provided !
May 30th, 2011 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Morning all ... not much news then? Falkland Islands still British? Yes? Of course ... it's the way of it. Cuppa time :-)
and we're back to the blue pills...
May 30th, 2011 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geoff. Here's a start.
May 30th, 2011 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2011/04/05/536631/the-importance-of-debt-maturity/
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2011/04/05/536631/the-importance-of-debt-maturity/
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2011/04/05/536631/the-importance-of-debt-maturity/
Xbox. Go back your xbox against the wall, or hit it with a hammer - because the processor doesn't seem to be working properly...
JA
May 31st, 2011 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks
I'm familiar with the argument (Economist , FT);
it's the others I'm worried about!
G.
Geoff. The others will only “grasp” what suits them...
May 31st, 2011 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0EXTERNAL DEBTS -- ( millions US $) !
May 31st, 2011 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0( S) = short term ..... ( L) = long term
SPAIN : ( 2010)
Government : 401,719.......(S) 53,271......(L) 347,998
Central Bank : 68,578 .......( S) 68,578 ....(L) 0
Banks : 1,018,500 ..... (S) 581,537 .....( L) 436,964
Real Sector : 594,831 .....(S) 43,417 ....(L) 551,414
GROSS EXTERNAL DEBT (SPAIN) = 2,329,727 millions US $
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UK : (2010)
Government : 463,685 ......(S) 46,499.....(L) 417,186
Central Bank : 29,497 ......(S) 29,497 ......(L) 0
Banks : 5,485,205 ....(S) 4,896,451 .....(L) 588,755
Real Sector : 2,353,943.....(S) 1,371,345......(L) 982,597
GROSS EXTERNAL DEBTS (UK) = 8,890,793 millions US $
“The World has an external debt of $56.9tr!!! 98% of the entire world GDP we need to pay to aliens!!!”
May 31st, 2011 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A owes B, B owes C, C owes D . . . D owes A, B owes D , Cowes A . . . . everybody owes somebody, but China owes everybody.
Does Arentina actually have an education system ?
May 31st, 2011 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@167 Yes Bro ! Next question ....!!!
May 31st, 2011 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0EXTERNAL DEBTS -- ( millions US $)
May 31st, 2011 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(S)=short term.......(L)=long term
ARGENTINA / 2010
Government : 24,345.....(S) 6,844......(L) 17,501
Central Bank : 2,080.....(S) 2,080.......(L) 0
Banks : 3,180......(S) 1,651.......(L) 1,529
Real Sector : 34,774.....(S) 19,954......(L) 14,820
GROSS EXTERNAL DEBT (ARGENTINA) =84,133 millions US $
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USA / 2010
Government : 4,411,190.....(S) 730,247.....(L) 3,680,943
Central Bank : 400,187.....(S) 345,442.....(L) 54,745
Banks : 2,807,205.....(S) 2,420,481.....(L) 386,724
Real Sector : 5,669,617.....(S) 1,660,675.....(L) 386,724
GROSS EXTERNAL DEBT (USA) = 14,456,194 millions US $
Correction:
May 31st, 2011 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#166
“but China *owns* everybody” . . . a beautifully Freudian slip.
A dictatorship with a capitalist economy .... interesting concept!
May 31st, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Zero Hour says 'China will grow larger', the number of times I've heard that phrase uttered from when the boys were a few years younger...
May 31st, 2011 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0correction on #169 that (USA) real sector's (L) debt is 4,008,942.
May 31st, 2011 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0EXTERNAL DEBTS ( millions US $)
(S) = short term........(L) long term
BRASIL /2010
Government : 65,127.....(S) 0........(L) 65,127
Central Bank : 4,446 .....(S) 0 ........(L) 4,446
Banks : 103,163 .......(S) 51,100.....(L) 52,063
Real Sector : 84,088......(S) 6,288.......(L) 77,860
GROSS EXTERNAL DEBT (BRASIL) = 351,951 millions US $
note :
GROSS debts = all loans + direct investments+intercompany lendings
And the brainwashing continues -
Jun 01st, 2011 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://ar.noticias.yahoo.com/indonesia-respaldo-posicion-argentina-malvinas-231001421.html
NB - “ ... La resolución 2065 de la Asamblea General de la ONU define a la cuestión Malvinas como ”un caso especial y particular de descolonización....“
Which is of course, a lie !
All that 2065 says on the subject is ” ... Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the said Islands ..“
Noting ..... nothing in 2065 that states the UN recognition of the Falklands situation as ”... un caso especial y particular de descolonización....”
http://ar.noticias.yahoo.com/indonesia-respaldo-posicion-argentina-malvinas-231001421.htmlo/history/resolution2065.html
Brainwash anyone :-)
They coined that phrase amongst their cronies on the C24 a few years ago, never put it to a vote though, always 'agreed by consensus', and because its not the UNGA its not even a recommendation. Just a draft that was ignored by the UNGA.
Jun 01st, 2011 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Someone is obviously bullshitting that it is actually part of a UNSC Resolution now, complete nonsense, just shows they will try anything to hoodwink the newbies.
Indoctrinated RGs peddling the Big Peronist Lie, and supporting it with even more lies.
Looking at the success rate of the C-24 over the last 10 years, I'm a little surprised it's still going ...... a costly waste of time !
Jun 01st, 2011 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0The people who wanted independance got it, that was what it was created for, it'll go eventually.
Jun 01st, 2011 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only one new nation in 20 years ... hardly a record to be proud of.
Jun 01st, 2011 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time to pack up and go home boys ....... you are a failure !
in one breath he denies hindering, and in the next he say==“Yes, we have the solidarity from our brother neighbours, Uruguay and Brazil who do not allow British vessels en route to Malvinas to call in their ports,
Jun 01st, 2011 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it’s just a shame, that we live in the times of weak British governments,
we need a government with guts and determination, then perhaps Argentina would not be allowed to grovel, but perhaps back it up,
there’s nothing more irritating than a peacock hiding behind two ducks ?
GOOD EVENING FROM ARGENTINA... SUCKERS ;-)
Jun 02nd, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Big news today:
E. COLI OUTBREAK IN EUROPE
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/227309.php
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/227309.php
Get with the program Mercopress, post an article... oh and don't forget to include notes from our European experts on their “higher standards” and their reasons for being against the EU-Mercosur agreement, will ya?
Cheers!
Martincho!!! How is the homeland?
Jun 02nd, 2011 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cheers!
Jun 02nd, 2011 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/14/5/763.htm
Argentina had the highest rates of HUS globally, 10.4 and 12.2 cases/100,000 children
181....... home is good ;-)
Jun 02nd, 2011 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had Sabalo fish today... with a salad you wouldn't believe, E-COLI FREE by the way... lol
jajajajaja !!!!
Jun 02nd, 2011 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see that the non-existent blockade is indeed, non-existent :-)
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.fis.com/fis/worldnews/worldnews.asp?l=e&country=0&special=&monthyear=&day=&id=43276&ndb=1&df=0
The best high standards I’ve found in Europe were in lying and cheating.
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0The rest sucks
You are indeed a sucker Dim .... to believe the sh*te your Government reels out. A nation of fools led by an elite of liars !
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not entirely, Redhoyt.
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nico might have been moving in these circles.
The correlation between immigration and criminal activity is not spurious.
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