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Falklands’ legislators will be meeting US and Canadian officials in Washington and Canada
Falkland Islands Members of the Legislative Assembly Roger Edwards and Dick Sawle will be in New York June 21 to attend the United Nations Committee of 24 sessions and later will meet US and Canada officials in Washington and Ottawa. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGood to see more pro-action
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yup ... get out there and spread the word :-)
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, but check on the consultation track of American Samoa and Easter Island before going into any meeting with USA and with C24
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands conflict is not a matter only of Argentines, but a cause of all Latin America and the Third World, even more, goes beyond those in power in Argentina.
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This plant has achieved global awareness of the conflict. Latin America supports the claims, both the Unasur as MERCOSUR and the United Nations.
It is a way of dealing together with economic and military aggression of United States and Britain in 200 years of history.
As the world public opinion is internalized conflict over the Falklands, many countries are sympathetic to the claim of sovereignty. And even in the UK itself believe it is possible to reach an agreement acceptable to both parties. Just so long see Web journals and specialized in the field.
The main error of many is to underestimate the leadership of Cristina Kirchner in Argentina, as a woman, in Argentina and Latin America where he holds a considerable consensus in its favor.
Just listen to other non-Anglo impartial news agencies to realize something very obvious.
Do they have to go that far to visit strip bars?
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have fun.
You are talking cr*p Rolly!
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No-one in the UK believes it is possible to reach an agreement. The status quo is fine for now, until the islnaders wish for independence. Nothing Argentina can do. Nothing south America is willing to do.
Your main error, is overestimating the leadership of Cristina .... all she's got is hollow promises and nothing on paper.
Stop listening to sounds that you don't understand and wake up and smell the roses lad.
“And even in the UK itself believe it is possible to reach an agreement acceptable to both parties”
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not. Going. To. Happen.
@4 Do you understand the concept of being told what you want to hear? This is what countries outside South America do with Argentina. Have you noticed any of your supporting countries who didn't want something?
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latin America is, of course, an irrelevance. It doesn't matter what your brother or your cousin three times removed thinks.
If Argentina has such a wonderful claim, take it to the ICJ. But you won't. Because you can't. I expect the ICJ is composed of quite polite people, so you wouldn't actually be laughed out of court. But the effect would be the same, wouldn't it? Argentina held up to years of ridicule.
Who are this “legislators” going to meet?
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obama might send them back to London like the bust of Winston Churchill.
No no Mr Obama we are kelpers!
Whatta hell is that?
We are British but we live in Malvinas Argentinas.
You are in the wrong place, go get a happy meal with Roger McDonalds and go back to London.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4623148/Barack-Obama-sends-bust-of-Winston-Churchill-on-its-way-back-to-Britain.html
1. The bust is actually still in the USA, in the UK embassy.
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 02. They aren't going to meet Obama. They're going to meet the C-24 Special Committee.
God Marcos you are THICK!! hardly likley to meet Obama are they - they are after all, visiting parliamentarians - hence meeting some US Senators, and are the eqiv of ministers albeit in a small Govt - hence they will be meeting US Dept of State officaials - naturally from the US State Dept, Latin America section.
Jun 03rd, 2011 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul - like so many of you, yours is indeed a fantasy world!! 90% or more of those you list actually back that there is a dispute and no more - and that sides should talk. You will not find anything other than a very small- but probably noisy - minority in UK who beilve anyhting can be solved by talking, bearing in mind ARG has made it crystal clear that there would only be one outcome of any talks! That simple fact rules out talks in the minds of the huge majority who actually bother to look at the issues - get used to it!
What is important is that they are meeting other politicians as representatives of the FIG ....spreading the word of their rights and disclaiming Argentine pretensions. Their acceptability as representatives of the FIG shows that times is a changin'
Jun 04th, 2011 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
@9
Jun 04th, 2011 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not nice is it :-)
Rice Snubs Argentina in Trip South
Condoleezza Rice has embarked on a visit to Brazil and Chile, but the secretary of State won’t be stopping in neighboring Argentina, a sign of ever-frostier relations. “The United States is clearly snubbing Argentina,”
Don't you worry your wee selves, Marcos & Raul. We are still here & will be here for a long time yet.
Jun 04th, 2011 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0And as for“who”these legislators meet, well it won't be dear Cristina l can tell you that.
Well, one thing we do know, the US won't worry about RG whining when US Citizens start filling their cars with Falkland Islands derived fuels...
Jun 04th, 2011 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sticki Sticki, Condoleezza Rice is not the US secretary of State and hated over there as a former Secretary during Bush Gov.
Jun 04th, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank God she's not comming, and get some coffee :-)))
Of course Isolde, If they want to meet Cristina they just have to go to the capital of the country where they live.
Cristina is in Stanley ? Who let her in ?
Jun 04th, 2011 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe she managed to get a work permit.
Jun 05th, 2011 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Claiming JSA
Jun 05th, 2011 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah, she's there begging forgiveness for all the crap her country has done against the Falkland Islands since Juan Peron, she's already apologised for the Big Lie, and brought a suitcase full of her own cash to buy shares in the oil industry, unfortunately, FIG already has sufficient paper for the public conveniences, and instead offered to take the toy town money to the local landfill...
Jun 05th, 2011 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guffawl I thought according to Argentina the FIG didn't exist, I wonder how they are going to spin this one :)
Jun 05th, 2011 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0good! The U.S. recognizes that there is an issue of sovereignty between Argentina and England for the Islands. Summary: Falklands (Malvinas) Argentine territory in dispute, the islanders British citizens. canada does not count, is part of the problem.
Jun 06th, 2011 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0enjoy the ride, it's just tourism
The US has colony problems of its own - Samoa, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands etc!
Jun 06th, 2011 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0But then, so have so many other countries. Even those not on the 'list'.
Try another list -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes
Now tell me why on earth the international community will put itself out to support Argentina, when nearly every country in the world has an ongoing argument of the same sort!
Complicated, ain't it :-)
@22
Jun 06th, 2011 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's no such thing, England's Sovereignty is held by the Act of Union; England does not have a dispute over territory with Argentina, and the United States does not recognise that it does.
All BOTs have British Citizens, and Canada is a Sovereign country in its own right, stop stating the bleeding obvious as you paint yourself an idiot; and quite how Canada can be a party to a non-existent dispute between England and Argentina is quite a leap of logic, you do yourself a disservice.
I've also no idea what ride you're referring to, the Falklanders are going nowhere, and the Islands remain British by the will of those that live there, and if they wish to market the beauty of the place to generate wealth, well more power to their elbows I say.
Ant, you my friend appear to be a plank.
@ 24
Jun 06th, 2011 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0notes the link Redhoyt
en.wikipedia.org / wiki / List_of_territorial_disputes
If there is dispute over the Falklands.
Why Canada is a party? always agree with posisicion the UK.
you give me the reason, this trip to the U.S. and canada is tourism at the expense of the islanders.
Plant- And how much does it cost to send your politicians all around the world with Argentina's spurious message? Seems fair to spend a little cash to send out the FIG reps to give the true version!
Jun 06th, 2011 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what has Canada got to do with it? They are an independent country with a seat at the UN. They are entitled to their opinions, just as the members of Mercosur are entitled to theirs.
I repeat, never canada contradict to united kingdom.
Jun 06th, 2011 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0canada = united kingdom
“canada = united kingdom”
Jun 06th, 2011 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly can't argue with someone who is devoid of intellect.
You are an idiot.
Zethee, I'm not stupid. You have problems understanding.
Jun 06th, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course Canada is a country independent of England. But in the sovereignty of the Malvinas question has no own opinion. Prevailing opinion of the United Kingdom. In these conditions to Argentina does not mind his position.
Ant,
Jun 06th, 2011 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To confer with Canada, one of the 13 British Commonwealth nations in the Americas, is no bad thing.
Canada is just one of 57 nations that make up the British Commonwealth of Nations.
(This does not include the British Overseas Territories.)
Even the Caribbean (CARICOM) contains 11 Overseas Territories and 8 members of the British Commonwealth of Nations.
The twelve members of Unasur include one member of the British Commonwealth.
And, as you are aware, every nation, big or small, has just one vote in the UN.
If you play the 'numbers game' the prospects are not auspicious, though self-evidently, self-determination is the trump in the hand, so numbers are largely irrelevant.
GeoffWard thanks for your explanation.
Jun 06th, 2011 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I hope that canada and the other Commonwealth miemboes in the world to take similar position that some members of the Commonwealth pertaining to unasur that if they recognize the sovereignty of the Falklands to Argentina.
Without the influence of the English wrong
Canada is a more grown up nation than Argentina,especially concerning islands that lay off their country
Jun 06th, 2011 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon
The Territorial Collectivity of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon (French: Collectivité territoriale de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon, French pronunciation: [sɛ̃ pjɛʁ e mikˈlɔ̃]) is a group of small French islands in the North Atlantic Ocean, the main islands being Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, south of the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador. The islands are as close as 10 kilometres (5.4 nmi; 6.2 mi) from Green Island, part of Newfoundland.
The archipelago has the status of overseas collectivity within France. It is the only remnant of the former colonial empire of New France that remains under French control.
“So I hope that canada and the other Commonwealth miemboes in the world to take similar position that some members of the Commonwealth pertaining to unasur that if they recognize the sovereignty of the Falklands to Argentina.”
Jun 06th, 2011 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say you're not an idiot, then post this. International opinion doesn't matter. The C-24 can only decolonize and in no meaning of the term can that mean giving the islands to Argentina.
The only other option is the ICJ. Your government is not likely to take it there and even if they did the ICJ favors Self Detemination over all else.
All the commonwealth could take your side, wouldn't change a thing.
Zethe, when there is no claim, it should disqualify typical English.
Jun 06th, 2011 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the idiot. Hopefully give you work in the ministry of external RELATIONS English. Accelerate Argentina on Falklands sovereignty
Ant- you keep on falling into the trap- England is not in the UN!! The UK(United Kigdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) IS. and the UK as we call it for short - consists of England,Scotland,Wales and N Ireland.
Jun 06th, 2011 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So forget England and talk about the UK- or GB, and all will know what you are on about.
“when there is no claim, it should disqualify typical English.”
Jun 06th, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe this is a translation issue because that makes no sense.
I assume it makes perfect sense to an indoctrinated malvinist-peromist burk like Ant, let him have his made up phrase, it clearly shows brain damage.
Jun 06th, 2011 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plant - very few countries support Argentine sovereignty over the Falkland islands. The majority support the idea of negotiation, if only because it is the easiest thing to support without actually committing yourself.
Jun 06th, 2011 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina attempts to skew the wording of UN Resolutions to make them say something that they do no. The Charter grants ALL the right to self determination. Argentina has NO territrial integrity because Argentina has never had any sovereignty over the islands. As a result the C-24, and indeed the UN, is irrelevant and impotent.
@38: “Irrelevant and impotent”? Why waste your time then writing about it, not to mention the UK “legislators” from the islands visiting NY every year? Maybe the sales attract them, who knows! Keep on derailing!
Jun 07th, 2011 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0sorry the translation, I do what I can with google translator.
Jun 07th, 2011 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Improve my English, return it to MercoPress in some months. maybe in that time the Malvinas Argentinas.
you try to answer in Spanish without knowing anything about the language. difficult
The FIG choose to attend to do the same as Argentina, i.e. use the C-24 as a forum to get their message out. In the FIG's case, the 'truth'. It must be frustrating to have ti listen to the cr*p that Argentina routinely turns out over the Falklands.
Jun 07th, 2011 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The C-24 can achieve nothing. The UK considers it irrelevant and passed its sell by date. Nothing the C-24 can do .... nothing Argentina can do !!
Plant - don't hold your breath, you grandchildren won't see that day :-)
And the guys thought...
Jun 07th, 2011 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0What can we do, what can we do? The Argies are slowly destroying our economy, not real oil was found, the Bennies are pressing us to do something and we are powerless. What can we do, what can we do?...
Gotcha Bennies!
A tourist trip free of charges under the name of “spread the word” and a Twitter account will keep the Bennies calm for a while. Meanwhile we can look for a better job in US or Canada.
Should I put Falkland Island in my CV?
Hello are you Canadian? Ouais monsier bien sûr
N'as-tu pas Canadien Si?
I’m not I’m British from Falklands.
WTF is Falclowns an Island close to Scotland?
No sir and Island close to Argentina.
Ah! You are talking of Malouines the Argies Islands that they call Malvinas. Right? And what are you doing there? Don’t you say that you are British?
Ha ha
You gotta sto smokin' that sh*t Dim ... you've hardly any brain cells left as it is :-)
Jun 07th, 2011 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dimmo, talking to yourself is an indicator for mental illness, tell me, do you eat raw fish as well?
Jun 07th, 2011 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0NicoDin, Just lately, Nicholas, Ant is making more sense than you.
Jun 07th, 2011 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0What has happened to you? ls it premature aging? See your doctor & get him to change your prescription.
@Guys
Jun 07th, 2011 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0That are the thoughts of MLAs Dick Sawle and Roger Edwards and you are the Bennies.
Do you really think that Canadians have any idea where the Islands are without mentioning Argentina?
Go to Canada and simply ask them.
Now laugh is a good joke.
: )
@41, inconsistent message then. Irrelevant but worth the trip? And it was NOT the “fig” but the UK, double hat but UK in the end! Good for you, C24 is getting more and more British among its audience!!!
Jun 07th, 2011 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0What makes me laugh more is you have decided to emigrate to a Constitutional Monarchy where the Head of State is Queen Elizabeth II, thus proving that such a system of Government is preferable to you personally.
Jun 07th, 2011 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arguing your point of view from Argentina is one thing, but you shoot yourself in the foot arguing your point from Canada, since if such a system of Government is good enough for you, you must realise why the Falklanders wish to remain British.
Only the Falklanders will decide whether to retain the Queen as their Head of State should they wish to become a Constitutional Monarchy at some point in the future; however, if they wish to remain British we welcome them, and will continue to support them. As a BOT they have unique access to markets and support within the European Union, and within the Commonwealth of Nations.
We will also remain a close friend and ally should they wish to become Independent, and would no doubt support their entry into the Commonwelth of Nations, but that is their decision, no-one else's to force upon them, and nothing to do with Argentina.
All Argentina can offer them is ethnic cleansing, or at the very least acute culture change, with the associated increase in criminal activity and corruption that Argentines would inevitably import. The Islanders would go from being a Developed Country with an admired and respected system of government, to control by what is considered a flawed democracy under Argentina, as is the opinion of virtually the entire World.
From prosperity, to poverty, from a currency the equivalent of GBP to Argentine toy town money; one day living in a remote idyll that tourists want to visit, the next a paco ridden shithole.
You have obviously escaped the yoke, albeit with the scars of mental indoctrination, why impose that on people you've never met before?
Do you really think that Canadians have any idea where the Islands are without mentioning Argentina?
Jun 07th, 2011 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Joe does
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Jun 07th, 2011 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Roger and Dick better watch it in Canada…
Those people are quite ruthless with small colonial European enclaves in America….
Look what they have done with Saint Pierre and Miquelon…….
Guess the French colonial islanders would luuuuve to have Argentina as neighbor instead of those tuff Mounties :-)
“Do you really think that Canadians have any idea where the Islands are without mentioning Argentina?”
Jun 07th, 2011 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is like saying
'Where's Greenland? - off the coast of Canada'; or
'Where's England? Off the coast of France'
But does anybody think
Greenland should belong to Canada, or
England should belong to France?
Spurious argument
“But does anybody think
Jun 07th, 2011 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Greenland should belong to Canada”
YES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island
@Wireless
Jun 07th, 2011 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 01-I hope you are not talking to me because I’ve never migrated to Canada.
2- Canada has more crime than Argentina near the double, please see statistics before open your big mouth:
Argentina total crimes: 1,340,529 http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ar-argentina/cri-crime
Canada total crimes: 2,516,918 http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ar-argentina/cri-crime
Canada has far, far, far worse record on drugs than Argentina they use to have untouchable Drugs Lords.
Canada is a leading producer, and exporter, of illegal synthetic drugs.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ar-argentina/cri-crime
“Canada’s labs are the largest on the continent, especially the ecstasy factories”
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ar-argentina/cri-crime
3- The only one indoctrinated is you here, mate.
@GeoffWard
“England should belong to France?” why not?
But may be the question should be if Britain should not belong to Italy they were in the Islands for around 500 years.
I can see a strong case for Italy I guess.
: )
Lets just get something straight here before we go any further, we will never be 'mates', because you are no-one I'd want to meet.
Jun 07th, 2011 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine Justice Department would be the original source of the data for the site you paste, like any other facts and figures from your country, economic, financial, or history, none can be believed, if you can't even mention the word 'inflation' without being subject to prosecution, then free speech has failed already, and therefore anything the Argentine government releases has to be considered 'manufactured'.
Tell me, do they pay you in paco?
Nico,
Jun 07th, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But may be the question should be if Britain should not belong to Italy they were in the Islands for around 500 years. I can see a strong case for Italy I guess.”
Go back not a little further and all of us 'out of Africa' should be Mesopotamian - largely corresponding to modern-day Iraq, northeastern Syria, southeastern Turkey and southwestern Iran.
But (shush) don't tell Assad, Ahmadinejad, etc. - the next thing on the UN GA Agenda will be these kind gentlemen posting notice that they claim all the World beyond Africa!
Hmmmmmm . . .
better not tell the Rift Valley folk of Uganda Tanzania & Kenya . . .
Alejo - nobody here has ever heard of UK legilsators going to the UN C24 from here? We do get UK Legislators visiting here at times to find out and learn a bit about the place - then they go back to UK again.
Jun 07th, 2011 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We do send our OWN elected Legislators to the UN C24 to speak on OUR behalf though.
You see the UN recognizes them actually!
wow canada and USA accept pirats and thieves maybe Argentina should close down barrick gold in san juan and all US firms stealing from our loand, since they side with thiseves we should stop them from digging in our backyard. we should start executing thisd pirats as they come of the planes.
Jun 07th, 2011 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Wireless
Jun 07th, 2011 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Lets just get something straight here before we go any further, we will never be 'mates', because you are no-one I'd want to meet.”
Why not mate? Of what are you afraid of????
The problem my friend is that you are so intoxicated with the Uki indoctrination.
Don’t worry there is cure for that, takes some time but I’m sure you can be cured.
My friend Wireless doesn’t sound so bad after all. Does it?
But can I call you “Sin cables” instead of Wireless?
Ha ha ha
Good idea Phunt - throw out all your investors !
Jun 08th, 2011 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Returning to the point, and working from the material at hand, I can find no suggestion that the UK send s representative to the C-24. If we do then they sit quietly and say nothing.
We do send a representative to the Fourth Committee session that sit in October each year where we try to convince them to self destruct. Not successful so far but we have time :-)
@58 'Why not mate? Of what are you afraid of????'
Jun 08th, 2011 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, your three week old BO, and your halitosis for a start, need I go on?
The rest of your post makes little sense, but this is not unexpected, your malady appears to be without cure.
@Sin cables
Jun 08th, 2011 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you describing your own bad teeth diseases?
Don't worry in Argentina you can get dental care and I recommend you a little bit of personal hygiene.
: )
Don't worry in Argentina you can get dental care
Jun 08th, 2011 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0along with more shrinks per person, than anywhere else in the world
Clearly the shrinks aren't working considering the mental stability and capacity of the Argentinians on here.
Jun 08th, 2011 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Gibraltarians have a wonderful way with words. This is from the recent UN C-24 Regional conference.
Jun 08th, 2011 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... the statement attributed to President Woodrow Wilson, quoted previously in the seminar by the Puerto Rican representative in her submission. This said that ”governments derive all their power from the consent of the governed and that no right exists anywhere to hand peoples from sovereignty to sovereignty as if they were property. People and provinces are not to be bartered about from sovereignty to sovereignty as if they were chattels and pawns in a game. Self determination is not a mere phrase.... “
” ... As regards the C24 Mr Bossano said: “Either it treated all 16 territories on its list in exactly the same way or it took the view, wrongly as far as Gibraltar was concerned, that those territories affected by sovereignty disputes did not come under its remit and should be dealt with elsewhere. Spain could then take its chances and take the matter to the International Court where the prospects of winning were zero since the position under international law is crystal clear. The right to self determination is universal and inalienable. In other words, no colonial people are excluded and it cannot be removed because there is a sovereignty claim. It cannot be inalienable and then be alienated. Moreover, it is established jurisprudence that the right to self determination in the cases of non-self governing territories is a 'jus cogens', which is a fundamental legal right that overrides every other consideration including bilateral treaty obligations...”
Ain't that the truth :-)
#52 Think
Jun 09th, 2011 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0re:“But does anybody think Greenland should belong to Canada”
YES, says Think.
But the only point of debate and satire is Hans Island, a speck of land *exactly* half way between Greenland & Ellesmere Island, Canada, in the high Arctic.
But does this help Canada to claim Greenland or v.v.?
Not at all, and not an issue.
The substantive issue is whether Greenland might claim self-determination separation from Denmark.
With an oil-rich northern coast and a handful-sized population, these Greenlanders could prove to be the coldest but richest people in the world !
There are some Canadians who know where the Falklands are:
Jun 09th, 2011 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0en.mercopress.com/2005/01/23/canadian-mps-blast-argentinean-stranglehold-on-falklands-development
(66) Monty96
Jun 09th, 2011 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are some Canadians who know how to handle small European Colonial Enclaves in America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon#Border_dispute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon#Border_dispute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon#Border_dispute
“ .. There are some Canadians who know how to handle small European Colonial Enclaves in America ...”
Jun 09th, 2011 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, the Argentine's don't and after 178 years are unlikely to learn!
Redhoyt, #64,
Jun 09th, 2011 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0” ... As regards the C24 Mr Bossano said: “. . . . . The right to self determination is universal and inalienable. In other words, no colonial people are excluded and it cannot be removed because there is a sovereignty claim. It cannot be inalienable and then be alienated....”
Ain't that the truth :-)
Unfortunately, Redhoyt, it isn’t.
There is no statute regarding *how far back* colonization – and therefore subsequent self-determination – is considered to fall within the remit for the purposes of C24 agendas.
Is there something ‘magic’ about 1833?
What about the 18th century mainland colonizations of North America, South America, the Caribbean, Africa, Australasia? . . . . .
Many indigenous populations – such as the Inuits, Aboriginals, Maoris, the N American & S American ‘tribes’ – still exist and could have valid C24 claims.
And, where there has been a sequence of ‘races’ rolling over earlier ‘races’ – such as Europe, Asia and southern Africa – does the C24 determine the lucky race and disposess the rest?
The practical problem for C24 is depopulating the ancestors of the colonizers. Where to? The country of their great, great grandparents origin?
Central & Southern Africa is attempting this with people of Caucasian origin, and it is not involving C24s – just AK47s.
So C24 simply looks at ‘easy’ situations – little islands, especially in the Caribbean with Caucasian/Hispanic (?) and negroid communities. The residual Taínos (Arawaks), the Caribs and the earlier Ciboneys have a claim – their genes are still traceable - even though they themselves invaded from the mainland!
No, Red, there is not just one simple inalienability; practicalities make the C24 task alienable.
Regards, Geoff.
Geoff - you are wrong !
Jun 09th, 2011 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... Is there something ‘magic’ about 1833? ...”
Yes and No. Yes = We are dealing with the Falkland Islands and 1833 determined the dispute between the UK and Spain. Argentina was never a part of that dispute! Hence their territorial ambitions are irrelevant. No = because the origins of the UK sovereignty date back to 1765 and the UK was merely reinforcing the sovereignty it already had!
But there is something magical about 1945. And before, well few laws are retrospective ! So you are wrong regarding the legal position. Before 1945 everything is up for grabs!
The C-24 is an obsolete organisation, only sustained by the political realities of 'business class'. It is irrelevant as regards the Falkland Islands are concerned.
Red,
Jun 09th, 2011 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was talking in #69 about the terms of reference of C24, and how everything they do MUST be wrong because of the arbitariness of their powers wrt the on-the-ground, real history of the world.
By the same token,
without benchmarks in their responsibilities -
- dates, colonizations, genocides, surviving gene-pools, size of units within their remit (continents?), subsequent population establishments, serial re-invasions & re-colonizations, etc, etc -
- 'everything they do must be right - *at least as far as they see things*'
(Melanesia and the Pacific island chains are perfect examples of these complexities).
ie. C24 might say : “even though we do a small thing here and a small thing there, it is better *in our eyes* that what was there before”.
How do you argue with such illogicalities and dogmatisms - except through (i) international law and (ii) the point-in-time criterion of 'self-determination'.
Luckily, for most of these 'small cases', (i) and (ii) prevail because they are grounded in the reality of the present.
But what would happen if the C24 decided to address bigger issues - the Tehuelche ownership of the Patagons, the Maori ownership of New Zealand or the Aboriginal ownership of Australia, etc, etc?
C24 plays with its small toys because they know what would happen if they played with bigger toys.
67 Think
Jun 09th, 2011 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I read your links expectig to find that the Canadians were trying to wreck the economy of the 'European enclave' and demanding its 'return' to Canada.
I am glad that this is not the case; they do indeed have a better idea of how to handle their situation than you do.
Geoff - the C24 list was what they were given in 1962. They are trying to expand it by looking at the USA's empire but they have no real remit as those territories are not on their list. The US just ignores them. They would also hit a brick wall if they tried to examine places like Tibet or the Kuril Islands. China and Russia would not allow their addittion to the list. Which may be of course why those two countries have seats on the C24, to make sure no-body starts looking in their direction.
Jun 10th, 2011 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The C24 is confined to the 'list' .... which is why the UK argues that the C24 should be closed down as it has got to the last of the practical independencies.
It is in fact obsolete .... passed its sell by date!
(72) Monty69
Jun 10th, 2011 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you read the links with an open mind you surely understood that the Canadian moves have effectively wrecked any French aspiration of exploiting the natural resources of the area in question.
I personally (and some others I know) would love to give you Islanders such a deal that effectively put a stop on any British aspiration over the natural resources in the South Atlantic.
But we want the British here,Think. And we don't want the Argentines.
Jun 10th, 2011 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Redhoyt #73,
Jun 10th, 2011 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0agree totally.
“would love to give you Islanders such a deal”
Jun 10th, 2011 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given by force.
74 Think
Jun 10th, 2011 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British don't want to exploit the natural resources, we do.You might think it's the same thing, but it isn't.
Someone is going to exploit them and why should it be Argentina? Or are you going to try the defunct 'geography' argument Think?
Jun 10th, 2011 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back to the topic of the article...
Jun 11th, 2011 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hello Americans, Hello Canadians we from the Falkland Islands would like to tell you about...
Sorry Sir don’t you know that Obama has already signed backing Argentina?
Uhmmmm????? I was too late perhaps?
Really? I thought he backed 'negotiations' .... whatever those are.
Jun 11th, 2011 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Idiota :-)
@80NicoDin,
Jun 11th, 2011 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a peanut brain you have. You live in a fantasy world. Have you ever considered writing fiction? Your first book could be about a mythical land called the “malvinas”. l am sure it would be a best seller in that other fantasyland, Argentina.
@Redhoyt
Jun 11th, 2011 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In English please. Would you?
@lsolde
How little you know about business and marketing, my best readers are from Malvinas : )
And here the title for my first publication.
Falkland, the Britain’s promised fantasyland in the South Atlantic.
Written by NicoDin in collaboration with Isolde, Redhoyt, Britishbulldog and her Majestic servants from the foreign office. : )
ISBN 10062011 © copyrights and all rights reserved by NicoDin International Publications for Bennies Inc. Buenos Aires Argentina
@83NicoDin,
Jun 12th, 2011 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your humour is of the heavy Germanic type, not very funny or original.
l'm sure that you can improve when you've matured a bit.
I will I promise you.
Jun 12th, 2011 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0: )
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