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Falklands’ sovereignty “is not negotiable. Period”, says British PM Cameron
British Prime Minister, David Cameron, sent a clear message on Wednesday during a Parliamentary speech regarding Argentina’s claim over the Falkland/Malvinas Islands as the British leader stated that sovereignty “is not negotiable. Period!” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe same uncompromising attitude and irresponsible that provoked the 1982 war. Too bad. This closed attitude ... only God knows what will happen in the future
Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0James Peck, sent a clear message.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://registromundo.blogspot.com/2011/06/cfk-entrego-su-dni-james-peck-nacido-en.html
WTF are you smoking JPL? are you saying that Britain provoked the 1982 war? The Argentine Government of the time was informed by the British that if they touched the Falklands there would be a military retaliation, how much clearer could they have been? It's about time you lot started taking responsability for your actions.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1 JPL You are quite right! It's time Argentina grew up and abandoned its infantile claims to imperialistic colonialism.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here''s some real facts, starting from 1764. Total length of Argentine occupation - 2 years 8 months. British occupation 148 years 4 months.
only God knows what will happen in the future
Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well they will stay British as long as the Falklanders wish,or unless the Argies are stupid enough to try and take them
Even this Prime Minister's reaction shows to us that UK is at bay .
Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know what will happen in the future. The FI will develop an oil production industry and Argentina will be powerless to stop it.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2
Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why do I have the feeling that James Peck is “milking” the situation to make his exhibit a success? JMO
@8
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you old cynic you!
@9 Come on Stick ! For real ! He is playing us like a violin in a concert !!! am I wrong??
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Okay the message from Cameron is very clear..“sovereignity is not negotiable”. The islanders have a right to “self-determination”. No question about it!
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, history could repeat itself, just remember the statement from von Clausewitz.....war by other means. That is the real danger from intransigent politicians (both sides). The results of war are always bitter...regardless of the winner. Up to now, CFK is just barking (dog that barks...does not bite). What would happen when the dog stops barking...Let's just hope none is stupid enough to cross the line!....really!
Scream louder Mr Cameron, the only ones who listen to you are the old lords of England. They're Like monkeys scrambling for nuts.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://davidmatias.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/monkey_parliament2.jpg
“The people of the Falkland Islands have a right to self-determination” that's what James Peck has done and many other are about to do. He has now change the fake British nationality for his real nationality, Argentine, he was born in Malvinas, so he is an Argentine, like all those people born in Malvinas. The other ones are immigrants on the islands.
Atk - Argentina does not have the capacity to cross the line. When the dog stops barking it will be because the dog is no longer breathing. The Argies will have to select another barking but toothless dog. The Rockhopper and the Sea Lion will continue to roar!
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One has to question WHY CFK devotes so much time to this lost cause (for Argentina) when Argentina has serious problems to address. If I were a voting Argentine I would let her know in no uncertain terms that she should concentrate on more pressing issues rather than grand-standing.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the Argies are gullible and the Falkalnds are a cheap way to win political support. If the Argies were better educated then they may actually be able to see sence but they elected a mentally unstable and spineless leader.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kind of sums them up really!
@10 am I wrong??
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I was attempting “Irony”
8 Artillero601, That's your opinion and I respect that. Don't let your dislike of Cristina cloud your vision.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0James Peck is not only a well known artist in Malvinas but doing well in Argentina prior of making the move to obtain his Argentinian nationality.
He is well known in Malvinas, his father a war heroe there, who fought against our country.
James is not afraid to say that he disagree with our point of view nor to talk about the corruption in the small British colony in Malvinas, however he is not a hateful person, a good man instead, like his father, brave enough to make that decision knowing very well about the consequences when he returns to Malvinas.
“Sovereignty is not negotiable. Full stop,” and its counterpart is “the dialogue of sovereignty is not negotiable, period!
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is clear that David Cameron, the conflict has gotten out of hand. Now this on the agenda of global public opinion is evidenced by his desperate reaction.
Argentina has managed to grow global awareness of the conflict. Latin America supports the claims, both as MERCOSUR UNASUR United Nations and achieving a unity of conception and action with the United Kingdom.
It is a way of dealing together with economic and military aggression in the UK in 500 years of history.
Many countries are sympathetic to the claim of sovereignty and even the UK itself, the attitude of David Cameroon controversial causes internal and external cracks in its alliance with the United States.
The main error of Great Britain is to underestimate the increasing leadership of Argentina and South America and keeps getting more evidence of the double discourse of Great Britain ”will say champions of democracy and human rights but in fact ignore the resolutions United Nations and continue the humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya ”As what I say but not what I do.
Argentina's main weapon is the abandonment of the arms race and proceed with its proposal for dialogue, consensus and peace. This baffles David Cameroon increasingly more often have to explain to the world of politics is wrong turns on him.
What led to the Falklands War was a Britain's weak willed and wooly policy on the future of the Falklands... ie. “how can we get rid of them”. Handing the islands and their population to a fascist dictatorship should never have been considered an option! It it hadn't of been Argentina would have never even considered invading the islands, their belief being Britain couldn't care less.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some people JPL, need to learn some history.
The Falkland Islands desire the right of self determination and they wish to rain a self governing dependency of the UK. We lost 255 men, fighting an aggressive fascist junta, who invaded those islands and despite all the propaganda about “respecting the islanders wishes”, imposed a series of oppressive dictates, changed the currency, ordered a curfew, imposed a military governor on them. changed all the place names, imposed Spanish as the official language and banned communication with the outside world. Of course, no one should have been worried, this same government had killed over 50,000 of their own people!!! Of course a small island with 1,800 people on who their own government didn't even care about, had nothing to worry about!!!
No JPL we should glad at Cameron's statement because Argentina has no claim over the Falkland Islands, had never held those islands, apart from several weeks in 1982 at the barrel of a gun. Argentina today is still little more than a tin pot dictatorship. Any country that brain washes its people over the status of a group of islands 400 miles away and it's border with Chile, isn't a country to appease. Appeasement, in the eyes of the unstable, is a like a red rag to a bull. The only message unstable regimes understand are irrevocable black and white.
We offered Argentina government, the opportunity to co-operate on the future of the Falkland Islands, but they weren't interested in the people of the Falklands. They are also not interested in their own population who they've abused for decades!
James Peck also said this in his 2007 election manifesto:
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''It’s actually not that difficult to keep a family relationship separate from the duties of representing one’s people. As far as I am concerned the Argentine Flag will never fly here whilst I live here, regardless of whether I am elected or not. I owe this to my father and to the security and opportunities available here to my children and to those who made the sacrifice for us. It is a simple black and white situation and I will not be bullied into any other position here or anywhere else.''
Does this make him a 'good man' or a liar and hypocrite? Funnily enough, hardly anyone voted for him.
I doubt he'll be returning to the Falkland Islands. And that's assuming he can renew his British passport with an Argentine birth certificate.
It is clear that David Cameron, the conflict has gotten out of hand. Now this on the agenda of global public opinion is evidenced by his desperate reaction
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What bollox
Monday, June 28th 2010
PM Cameron was expected to make his point to Mrs. Kirchner either during an official leaders' dinner at the Toronto summit or at some point in the “margins” of official discussions on Sunday.
A source close to Mr Cameron said: “He will be robust. He will make the point again that our position on the sovereignty of the Falklands has not changed and will not change.”
Saturday, May 15th 2010 - 02:50 UTC
PM Cameron Reaffirms Falklands’ Sovereignty and Supports Local Oil Industry
London reaffirmed British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands rejecting a call Friday from Argentine President Cristina Kirchner to new Prime Minister David Cameron to halt all oil exploration in the waters around the Falklands.
Wipe out the colonial dogs! We must clear the colonial out of Los Malvinas like we cleared American Indians out of Argentina. Death to communist in the Argentine for destroying our country!
Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul, the official negotiating position of Argentina, and its in your Constutution is basically:
Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islands and their People have no right to any say in any negotiations on their future and there can only be one solution - full Argentine control over their Islands regardless of what they wish.
Please list me the countries that have publicly agreed to back Argentina in the above?
Do not list those who have merely agreed with Arg that there should be peacefull negotiations - but are almost certainly unaware of your baseline demand that negotiations can only be about the date - not the solution.
Having done this do one of the next two:
A - take the case to the Int Court of Justice
or
B. Say to yourself - “ I am a silly arse” - and shut up.
You Falkland Islanders ...be ready to go to Argentine citizenship !
Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the article picture says PM in the house of lords....
are there any Lady Lords at house of lords ?
however the sitting at bench is very tedious instead of armchair !
are there any Lady Lords at house of lords ?
Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes a certain Lady that gave the Argies a boxing lesson:-)))))
Thatcher takes her place in Lords
Former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has taken her place in the House of Lords as Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/30/newsid_2523000/2523395.stm
Just one question.....
Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does exits Malvinas Islands ?
All the maps I have seen shows the Falklands Islands flag and when I have stayed there never saw any other that the FI flag....
So, the Malvinas just exist in the mind of the Argentines......no more than a hopeless bad dream....
Geo - As you will know there are female members of the Lords, you will also be aware that the Prime Minster sits in the commons.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only way the Islanders will become Argentine is if they choose to or if you impose it. Can't wait to see you load those catapults, that would be funny.
geo, first we make them Argentine, then we kick them the f*** out of Los Malvina, then take their homes, farms, fishing rights and oil for the people. But I think maybe first we need to remove the liberals from our parliament as we have had to before!
Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 22 Why do you want to kill people? “like we cleared American Indians out of Argentina.” So you're like 100 years old? I've never killed an American indian, did you? Are you a chilean living in Malvinas?
Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 23 If you were born in Malvinas, then you are an Argentine, and in due time you'll change your fake British nationality for your real nationality. the Argentine nationality, it's just a matter of papers. But if you're not born in Malvinas, then you are an immigrant, and illegal immigrant on an occupied territory. The ones born on the islands are Argentines, the other ones are immigrants, and that includes the English governonr of the islands, Nigel Haywood, he's an illegal immigrant, and invader and must be expelled from Malvinas, and that will happen at the appropriate time, he's not a native to the islands, he was born in Betchworth, that's in England. There's nothing that David Cameron can do.
20 Monty69 , I happen to find the complete article that you avoided to post.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Firstly one notices, when declaring to stand is how the chattering classes of Stanley jump on to the predictable trap of character assassination – that Falklands factor of putting personality before what one is about to say, regardless of whether you might have a point or two or the ability to do the job - this, even emanating from the odd Councillor, previous and present. Perhaps if I were a descendant of the ‘big house up the green’ I might get more of a hearing or an offspring of a senior professional position, perhaps
But however daunting it shouldn’t stop anyone from expressing their views as well as their commitment and concern for their birthplace. Heaven forbid, you might even be better at it than many of the social elite. We have had to suffer here for so long”
http://www.sartma.com/art_4822_12_203_1.html
Did you actually read that Marcos?
Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly not.
And he isn't the first, Alexander Betts in 1982 for example, and Argentina exploited that particular family tragedy to the full.
Quite funny how deluded you Argies are. The only hope you have of getting your hands on the Islands is no hope. Come on Argies, do your worst, I could do with a laugh.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Social elite. That will be CFK and her backhanders spent on plastic surgery while her supporters live in slums!
Come on RKH, bring the flowing oil home!!!!
Absolutely, Marcos. I would advise anyone to read the whole manifesto.As a lesson in 'how not to get elected, anywhere' it couldn't be bettered. Why, if you aspired to public office, would you set out to alienate anyone in a professional job, anyone with their own business, anyone with an education, anyone related to anyone who was ever a councillor, and anyone who suffered in 1982? It beggars belief.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, you do love a working class hero in Argentina, so good luck with Jamie.
31 Kuntz, Yes I read it, did you read my comment @17?
Jun 15th, 2011 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 033 Monty69, You say: “I would advise anyone to read the whole manifesto”
Great, in order to do that next time post the link, like I did, so anybody can read the whole manifesto and not only a small paragraph that you like for obvious reasons.
Marcos, James is entitled to his opinion, rather sad that he has allowed himself to be exploited in this way by Argentina, particularly on a painful anniversay at the end of a conflict that resulted in the deaths of nearly 1000 young men. Nevertheless I hope he does well in his adopted country. But what he had to say in 2007 is of little comfort to Argentina and he still has children from his 1st marriage in the Falklands.
Jun 15th, 2011 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And he still isn't the first, nor will I imagine he be the last. The decision should be for the islanders, to choose their own destiny, not have it imposed by either Britain or Argentina.
xbarilox, are you mad?
Jun 15th, 2011 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can we encourage the people of Los Malvinas / Falklands to become Argentinian? They have stated time and time again, they have no wish to be Argentinian. Look at their part time defense force, they have 250 in their FIDF, out of a population of 3,000; if compared to our population we would have 3.5 million volunteers in our reserves! They have a massive UK military base there and they are comparatively well off compared to the average Argentine citizen, their government and the UK has looked after them well. If only we had a similar government!
We have no right to Los Malvinas or Falkland Islands, the islands have never belonged to us in reality. We only took the islands by force. You remember 1982? I remember, I remember the disappeared and I remember the names of all the government ministers, the same, as those responsible for the deaths of thousands of our own people.! Yet the streets were lined with cheering mobs, many of the same people who had protested the disappeared, how short their memories! How they loved their country, sent their sons to war, ignored the victims of a military junta and treated the veterans when they returned with disrespect! This is our Argentine and we can only rebuild it by recognizing it.
We can not encourage the Falkland Islanders to become Argentine, we are a different country, different culture, different language. If we want to control Los Malvinas we can take it by force! Or if we want to build up friendships and bonds with the people of those islands, we can start by showing them some respect. Those who wish to follow the nationalist line should remember where it led. A military junta,a lost war, a broken state. If they want to own Los Malvinas let them have the courage to state how that will be achieved. It will not be achieved with the consent of the Falklands people. Just as Chile could not encourage Argentinians to want to be part of Chile! We can not carry on with this tension.
Well said Cameron - the rest is just noise!
Jun 15th, 2011 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are the same culture the same language the same passport as th UK so you can go back there
Jun 15th, 2011 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tihs region is for south americans for the ones that made the revolution that fought for independence to become free of all kind of domination that built our owns nations with not help
friendship with people who rob?? forget it
What's going to happen in the future? The Malvinas will return to the nation they always belongs to: Argentina. All America is backing us up for this. They know we are right and you are wrong but it will take a long time and millions of baby steps as the one that James Peck just took! But, comom guys, we want to welcome you as brother to our glorius nation, no War!
Jun 15th, 2011 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0friendship with a country uk that rob? forget it... better said
Jun 15th, 2011 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Mr Cameron has told the Americans, like it or not, what is Argentina going to do now, she was hoping to enforce Obama’s point, but that’s been dashed, she won’t even speak to Cameron, she’s to embarrassed now, but hey, Argentina don’t need the American’s [right],
Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a new face pack, and some more soles on her shoes
Two knee pads and a partridge in a pear tree lol
You see! Im trying to lend a caring hand as we always do!!! (you seem this James Peck Guy, he was force to leave the Malvinas because the people over there denied his girlfriend at that time with free medical care for his baby that was being delivered! That really suck guy! And now he is argentinian! Hurra!!! So we will become friends and go to downtown BA for some Guiness beer and celebrete the Malvinas return to us! I think this is a great Idea rathen than hating each other and thinking of making war!!!! I think this is the best way to solve it and by the way, we will ship some good argentinian beef over there! Everyone wins!!!!
Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 038 malen
Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're not very bright, are you?
My mum is Chilean and my dad is an eighth generation Falkland Islander with Scottish and Argentine gaucho ancestors. My cousins are half St Helenian. Where would you like us to 'go back' to?
You should think twice before you come out with that kind of racist ethnic cleansing clap trap.
I guess you don't get to decide who South America is for, although I can see you think it's just for you, with your cleaned up and sanitised version of your own history.
It's actually for all of us, and the sooner we can all get along and learn to live in peace the better.
you are still british living in a a BOT of UK and you want to remain british citizen you say and your president in uk says it
Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0we are descendants of spaniards and natives but we are not spaniards and not living in a BOT of Spain
you dont belong to south america because you have choosen to be british bot and to be part of EU or not?? and also because you always say you are in the southatlantic not in southamerica
im not racist
you say you dont share nothing in common with southamerica nor the language nor the culture 36 benito
42-- Not a chance of you shipping Arg beef here! I agree it is some of the world,s finest- BUT- your Govt will not allow the normal standard international health certificates to be issued as we officially do not exist!- that means we would be breaking EU Law and our own Laws if we allowed it to enter - so it cannot! Instead we have good Island beef, good Uruguyan and Brazilian and Chilean beef - all of whom recognise our Government.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for what you allege was poor treatment of the Peck family - suggest you read some of the actual facts publicised in many of the earlier postings above.
Agree its no good hating each other- that gets us nowhere - so suggest you tell Lady K to change her tune then.
“By these statements, the United Kingdom, in a deplorable act of arrogance, is awarded the authority to put an end to history '` referring to a dispute over sovereignty recognized by the United Nations and still unresolved,
Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0”This position is in addition to continuing contempt of the British government to repeated United Nations mandate and the many calls by the international community, calling on Argentina and the United Kingdom to resume negotiations to reach a solution to the sovereignty dispute Question concerning the Malvinas ”
Mad'un - we don't have a president, and said that the British can't be in the south Atlantic? God?!
Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0All you lot have for an argument is geography, and that argument was thrown out under international law in 1928.
So you have no argument at all!
redpotus dont bother me
Jun 16th, 2011 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0geography historically territorial integrity you are a special case of colonialism implanted people etcetera thats why you are a territory with a sovereignity dispute
45- Men, you will love our meat, it is far better than chilenean, Uruguayan and brazilian Together!!! ha! You see, if we talk we learn from each other point of view... that`s what our goverment is asking, to seat and discuss over the Malvinas soveraign rights! But UK still as 46 say, they are not willing to cooperate...
Jun 16th, 2011 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0regarding the news about Jamie Perck, you could read this articule from this very newspaper: http://en.mercopress.com/2002/05/29/jack-peck-born-in-buenos-aires
besides this... you could come to argentina Anytime, you will love it and will understand what the malvinas means to us!!! and again: our countries need to disccuss about UK returning our land to us... just as UK did with hong kong!!! Cool
Here we see the true colors of the Los Malvinas patriots, who have never been to the islands, never lived on the islands and would never want to!
Jun 16th, 2011 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0malen (#) “ tihs region is for south americans for the ones that made the revolution that fought for independence to become free of all kind of domination that built our owns nations with not help friendship with people who rob?? forget it”
So who are these people robbing the region? The people of Los Malvinas? Or could it be financial elites, the Kirchner's, Cobos's and their other puppets? People who sit in their ivory towers, while we sweat? We should kick these Malvinas “colonials” out? So what makes them colonial and us anti colonial? Because we wish to rule Los Malvinas against the wishes of the people who live there? Because we slaughtered the American Indians? We have more rights? Shame on you!
YO_Argentino (#) he Malvinas will return to the nation they always belongs to: Argentina.
So when did Los Malvinas belong to Argentina? For a few weeks in 1982? Or at the beginning of the 19th century for a few months, when a military garrison was established and later mutinied? Not surprising! Have you ever been to Los Malvinas? I would like to see all the Los Malvinas patriots move to the islands!
40 malen (#) “friendship with a country uk that rob? forget it...”
I hope you have you gun ready malen, because it is people like you who should fight the next war, rather than sit behind your computer screen and talk ****. Argentina has a long history of association with Britain, my great, great, grandparents were from England. Are they all evil, do they have pointed horns? No! Rather than make enemies we should be forging trading partners, let us have some grown up talk on here! We have much in common with Great Britain and a long history of links.
talk about sovereignity then benito if you want to have better relations why not??
Jun 16th, 2011 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0been friends with you in the past didnt brought any benefits to no one
that part of di tella what for??
and if you share nothing in common with SA in more than 100 years there must be because you dont have any interest?? trade links for studying yes but nothing more will be if this theme is in the middle
Im not talking about people, im talking about the countries
Mad'un - we have no dispute! We have no doubt about our sovereignty.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing Argentina can do.
Chuckle, chuckle !
Benito: regarding argentinian going to the malvinas I will say: “Give me a place to stand, and I shall move the earth with a lever” ... Just give us the chance and you will see!!!
Jun 16th, 2011 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding Goverment over the Island, it would be cool if you could lear to speak spanish (and other lenguages) so you could read more history documents as well books about argentina History and virreynato del Rio de la Plata history rather than the crap you read in english who tought you that we have a goverment over 2 months (you said)!!!! I know you will never understand but I always use an example to explain what is the problem wth the Malvinas, let supposse that you Benito have a house. and you live in it and it is your house because it was you father house, as well you grandparents house and so on. One day a pirate (o british people back them) go to your house and kicked you out... then he died and his son inhabit the house, after he dies the pirat's grandson inhabit the house and then his great grandson and so on until our days...
then your great grandchildren Go to the house and claim it back stating it was stolen by a pirate many years ago...what would the pirats descendence say??? mmmm we have soveragnity rights over this house since has been in our family for the past 200 years... yeah but... it nevered belong to you... it belonged to someone else before that pirat stole it from him... well, that is the story i wanna tell you today. You will go to the bed and think about it, you will realize i'm right but you will not tell because you (even dought you know you are wrong) will continue saying that house belong to you... I understand and that is the reason why our countries needs to discuss a peaceful solution to this. Thanks benito and this lesson for you is free! ;)
Yo, Benito is one of your compatriots but it hasn't registered as he has a different opinion on the Falklands, this is typical of the Argentine mentality! One sided!
Jun 16th, 2011 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have a PhD in history and my final year dissertation was on the Argentine claim to the Falklands, which is, to put it bluntly laughable. It would be like, with a few friends me landing my boat in Tierra del Fuego, setting up camp and claiming it for Britain. Argentina's historical claim is over the Falklands is 184 years old. Most people in the UK find this hilarious.
Isn't it about time that Argentina realised that you can not force one people to join another people against their will? What amazes me is so many people on here from Argentina, with the odd exception have this mad, brainwashed ideologist belief about the Falkland Islands belonging to Argentina. It's like some kind of mass psychosis and the Argentine people appear to be brainwashed with from birth. Have you any idea, how it looks to people outside of Argentina? It looks like some kind of throwback to fascism, where peoples blind faith and nationalist zeal enabled them to believe “my country, right or wrong”. Therefore you have an entire nation - Argentina - believing that the people of another territory - the Falkland Islands - is their's by right, regardless of what the people who live there want. You really think this mentality is going to get you anywhere? If one nation wants to take over another territory, against the will of the people who live there, there is only one way to achieve this. You people know this. It makes you fascists and imperialists. Although you say that Britain is the imperialist, the Falklands are self governing and only require defence from the UK because of Argentina. If Argentina accepted, the right of the Falklands to self determination, then the British military could leave and the Falkland Islanders, who have lived in fear of Argentine aggression for decades can live in peace.
JarrettSmith... Dont try to turn things upside down! If there is a imperialist country in the world, it is UK, not us!
Jun 16th, 2011 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now, you got it al wrong since it is not brainwashing we go thru here in argentina... is simple history and logic! You are supporting my theory that you people belive you have right to self determination only for living in the island for the past 200 years but it is wrong because that piece of land belonged to us back in the day. We would be imperialist as well fascist if, for example, we would invade uruguay kicking out all the uruguayan out by using the force (as UK did back in 1832) and then establish a settlement there for 200 hundread years and in 2211 when an argentinian born in Uruguay would talk to an uruguayan who tell hims his country stole uruguay form him , and he would say back we as argentinian uruguayan have selft determination rights because we have posses this land for the past 200 years!!! can you see how stupid it sounds??? well, that what all America from Canada to Argentina has been saying over the past years (as the OEA said) UK needs to sit down and disscussed this issue. because if I apply what you are suggesting and approving to do, i could go to any country, invade it, wait 200 years and claims self determination rights!!!! Now, Mr PhD I would like to think about it... you will realice Im right!!! but it is ok if you dont want to accept it. i understand that you people have that mentallity (you call it brainwashing) of going to diferent countries and stealing lands that are not yours... Sad, not even Spain is safe (give back gibaltrar as well) Again, this lesson Mr Phd is free for you tambien!!!! good night
@ 23 “If you were born in Malvinas, then you are an Argentine.”
Jun 16th, 2011 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, despite the fact that you are Argentine, we will ignore you, take no notice of your wishes, blockade you, threaten you, talk to UK but not FIG about sovereignty, talk to the rest of the world's despots to try and get support to own you, also with no discussion with you, make you a province of Tierra del Fuego etc etc...
You are talking cr*p YOYO, the British named the islands in 1690 and took firm control in 1765. Argentina did not exist. We came close to war with Spain over the islands in 1770/71 and won that diplomatic battle.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the 1820's Argentina tried to make out that she owned the islands, even in the face of diplomatic protests from the British representative in BA.
Vernett was there with British permission and there is evidence that less than 50% of his workers/settlers were actually from Argentina.
BA finally attempted to annex the islands by sending a garrison in October 1832. They mutinied, murdered and were then ejected by British forces in January 1833.
So, Argentina's first attempt at invasion lasted 2 months, as did its second.
The dispute with Spain was resolved in 1771, no other country has been involved since. Your version of history is corrupted, and if it was not then Argentina would have taken its case to the ICJ long ago.
But I like a laugh, so tell me YOYO, what is the historical basis for Argentina's claim to South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands ?
#56 - the Spanish have been playing the 'bilateral' card for decades. It has never worked. The people of a territory are entitled to a voice, and the British will give it to them. Negotiations, on any topic (unlikely to be over sovereignty) will only be bilateral in the sense that the FIG will sit on one side. The UK, as it has done with Gibraltar, will just not show up.
Of course, bilateral negotiations over sovereignty are perfectly acceptable when they take place between the FIG and the UK..... as they will, at some time in the future!
Why do people keep referring to the islands as “Los Malvinas”. I thought they were “Las Malvinas” in Spanish.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and Jarrett, your statement that “Argentina's historical claim is over the Falklands is 184 years old” is slightly worrying, especially considering you apparently studied the claim for your PhD dissertation. Worrying on all sorts of levels...
“ ... New Mayor of La Linea Gemma Araujo has categorically declared that the incoming PSOE municipal administration has ”no intention whatsoever“ of implementing ”any toll, decongestion charge or other similar form or variation of it, either coming in or out of Gibraltar .....”.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remember that!
Chcukle, chuckle :-)
Redhoyt your history is full of crap! because: 1st The battle between you and spain did not have a winner. there are many hipotesis of whom discovered the island: The amerindians, the portugues, the british, the spaniard, the french and even the dutches! What we could say is that the first sttlement was ducth (sebald Island) and then there was a french colony which was handover spain after negotiation with France being administered by Buenos Aires. Then there was the war (that Again, YOU DID NOT WIN) and after the Independence in 1810 beacame a part of argentina. Since 1820 there was presence of argentinian in the island until 1832 that you stole the Island from us. Now, it looks like your british empire teaches you that you could go over the world stealing land from other countries otherwise, how it is possible yo claim a territory that is thousands of km away from home land and does not have a F*ck to do with your history and peole (back in the day)!!!
Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know you will never understand what is going on since your whole history is about ruling the world by stealing lands.
We know the island will return to us one day. we have been waiting 200 hundreds years... why can we wait another 200 more?
Chuckle, chuckle on you!!!! hahahahaha
PS: Vernet was there with an Argentinian Permission!
you are a liar, YOYO.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your example of someone being kicked out of their house does not apply because it wasn't your house, it was our house.
so you are wrong as well.
l love baiting you idiots, you have no idea of history.
l would say that its possible that Argentina won't even exist in 200 years time.
We must remember one thing though, We own the Falklands & you do not. ls that clear? Hope this helps.
“We know the island will return to us one day. we have been waiting 200 hundreds years... why can we wait another 200 more?”
Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Might take a bit longer than that at this rate Yo, whether you like it of not and no matter how much you shout about what happened 200 years ago we are Falkland Islanders and we have rights which will not be abused by the likes of Argentina.
You might have bullied one vegetable thief into submission but you'll continue to find that with the rest of us our principles are not negitiable.
Hahahaha... you mean... you “possess” (meaning occupy) the Malvinas, right?
Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0My house example applies because you (the UK goverment back in the day) stole that piece of land from us, for me there is no difference between that and stealing and forcing out someone who own something! but you will never understand... that's ok. we will wait for 200 or400 hundreds years!
one more thing, please take good care of the Malvinas so they are in good shape whenever you have to give them back to their real owners! thanks!
#63 Mr YO, i fully agree, nice one :)
Jun 16th, 2011 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ please take good care of the Malvinas so they are in good shape whenever you have to give them back ”
Wasn't the Botox Queen telling the world just a few days ago that the present-day Argentina couldn't be held responsible for the acts of its military dictatorship in 1982? And now we have the present-day clown in charge of Argentina thanking Peru for its assistance in 1982! Does the average Argentine - not the idiot Malvinistas one here - not see the arse-about-facedness of this?!
Jun 16th, 2011 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think Jarrett's maths is a little off. The first official pronouncement from the Argentine Government (well actually it was the Republic of Buenos Aires) was in 1829 when they announced Vernet's appointment as Governor.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0And to YO_Argentino.
You're sitting in a country that your ancestors stole from its native peoples. You stole that piece of land from them, are you going to give it back?
I am Argentinian Yo, what are you? I remember the war in 82, I remember who the government ministers were and they were the same people responsible for the disappeared. Thousands of our people murdered by their own government, no one supported but how short the memory when they invaded Los Mavlinas!
Jun 16th, 2011 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Los Malvinas has never belonged to Argentina, truth! The British claimed the islands 200 years before Argentina even existed! Why do we want these islands? Because we love their people? There people, who are descended from British settlers, speak a different language, have a totally different culture! That makes them Falkland Islanders, not Argentine!
Truth is Argentina wants Los Malvinas for oil. None of you care about the people there and as several of you suggest ethnically cleansing them, this shows the Los Malvinas patriots up for who they really are.
We can not even govern our own country and you suggest we run someone elses! We need grown up talk here! Not childish belief!
YOYO - you are wrong. The British won in 1771 ... they threw our garrison out, then had to let us return! A win for us. Our sovereignty dates back to 1765 ... you have nothing. Johnnny-come-lately's.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you weren't independent in 1810. Spain did not recognise you till 1850.
No Argentines on the islands in the 1820's. Vernett belonged to us.
Enjoy the wait :-)
Chuckle, chuckle !
The most amazing thing about 95% of the Argentine contributers here is that they have not taken the time to read the Falklands timeline. Britain's claim to the Falklands dates back hundreds of years before the existance of the Argentine Republic, before even the Republic of Buenos Aires.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The continuous British / Falkland settlement of the Falkland Islands has existed for almost 180 years. The Argentine settlement of the Falkland Islands lasted a few months! What does that suggest? That Argentina has a valid claim to these islands?
The case is hilarious, to most people outside of Argentina! How brainwashed and poorly educated you all are. You President need only wave a flag in your faces and you will march (or cheer the marchers) to the sound of jackboots! No wonder you've had successive military and neo-fascist dictatorships! No wonder Argentina has been a proxy state of America for so long. Because all the people of Argentina seem to care about are their soccer and the Falkland Islands.
You lost in 1982. You are going to continue to loose, until your foreign policy adapts to the real world, rather than a map of the world that never existed, other than in some childish imagination of the uber nationalists!
Benito, how can you be an Argie and call them “Los Malvinas”?
Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That just doesn't make sense, unless you are that rare type of Argie who can't write a word of Spanish...
PominOz - been a while! Welcome :-)
Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vernett was never Governor ... !
JarrettSmith... dont worry! they will be back to us one day. until them, i recommend you to read some history books in spanish, you will learn a lot! and whenever you want, you could come and visit us to see how bad people we are and hoe much we hate you!!!! oooooooooooooooooo.... Just joking, we dont hate you, we knoe you are victims of your own empire. that's ok, we are victims ourselves from the same robber: UK. but come any time to argentina, you will love it! I have to go to school rght now so i wont be able to answer back but it wont be the first time we will discussed about it... our fathers have been discussng this for the past 200 years!
Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peace hermanos argentinos nacidos en Malvinas.
@63
Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry, we'll look after them all right...and we still will be when Argentina has desintigrated into a load of warring provinces, enjoy your future Argies...what there is of it.
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Don't worry, we'll look after them all right...and we still will be when Argentina has desintigrated into a load of warring provinces, enjoy your future Argies...what there is of it.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
I think is more likely uk is going to be desintegrated....Scotland,Wales...etc...
We are very united in Argentina....
I have a PhD in history and my final year dissertation was on the Argentine claim to the Falklands, which is, to put it bluntly laughable. It would be like, with a few friends me landing my boat in Tierra del Fuego, setting up camp and claiming it for Britain. Argentina's historical claim is over the Falklands is 184 years old. Most people in the UK find this hilarious
Really: You did not learn anything about international law.....
I think is hillarious,that a country 14000km away,has any claim..
Tell the OAS,UNASUR,Mercosur,UN,C24 about your“findings”
Let's see what the other thinks:
http://www.todanoticia.com/6791/america-latina-apoya-argentina-islas/?lang=en
Tell USA about that:
http://www.todanoticia.com/6791/america-latina-apoya-argentina-islas/?lang=en
An unfortunately for corned beef,the best posibility for oil is in the Argentine sea...
I dont understand why the Argies are getting so carried away...they have convinced a selfish and voilent man who would sell his mother to get what he wanted. I have seen this man viciously brake another man's leg in a football match, just after he punched him because of a tackle. You are welcome to him, he is a drain on the government, he lacks integrity, and has been proven to be a liar (his 2007 Election Manifesto). But of course, if you look at Argentina's hero...Maradona, Argentina has a tendancy to worship weak people.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So as the Argies start celebrating colonising the Falklands, I sit here in Stanley without any worries. This means nothing in the grand scheme of things. I am still British and the British flag still flies at the Secretariat, and this wont change, ever.
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Jun 16th, 2011 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#76 - yeah .... whatever !
Jun 16th, 2011 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland islands are British. Get used to it :-)
67 Benito, “I am Argentinian”
Jun 16th, 2011 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“los Malvinas”
Los?? Nice try Brit.
@17 Marquitos and Marquitos only !! My dislike for the K's has nothing to do with this guy, I am questioning the TIMING” of the whole thing...... Exhibit in Buenos Aires and DNI tramite?? Sounds to me like an awesome Marketing Campaign not only to promote his exhibit but to MILK a national sentiment, do you follow ??
Jun 16th, 2011 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did I tell you that I hate the K's?????????? :-))
@70 J.A, you are right! he may be an infiltrated rat !!
@ 79 ”Did I tell you that I hate the K's?????????? :-))”
Jun 16th, 2011 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may have mentioned it once or twice. : )
@74
Jun 16th, 2011 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I have a PhD in history and my final year dissertation was on the Argentine claim to the Falklands, which is, to put it bluntly laughable”
I'm sure your dissertation wasn't that bad Tte...
@80 E!!! Can I mention it again ???????????????????????
Jun 16th, 2011 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Really: You did not learn anything about international law.....”
Jun 16th, 2011 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering some of the utter made-up bollocks you have written in comments on this website, Soldado Estevez, you really shouldn't go about lecturing others on international law.
@82. Sure, you will not be a lone voice.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@78MarcoAlejandro,
Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you only just noticed this, Marcos?
Are you forgetting your own language?
He might be a Brit, but how do you know this?
Argentina, quick off the mark as usual.
UN is not important! Where was UN in 1982? Supporting Britain! Whaere was US in 1982? Supporting Britain! Where was Eu in 1982? Supporting Britain! They are of no concern to us! When have they ever been of concern?
Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas is Argentinian our claim to this islands. I know this fact - they will be cleansed of illegal occupation population soon.
What seems to be missing from the arbritrary language used by the UN and everyone else, except tin the recent comment by the British PM( “soveriegnty” meaning the wishes of the people concerned) is the Argentine's concern for the residents of the Falklands. It is they, not anyone else, not even the UK who has the final word, and the right to self-determination. The UK is the governing body of what is British soil, by the consent of the Islanders. That's a fact.
Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The United States became independent through a war for self-determination, and that right forms the basis of their Constitution. Everything else follows from that. The UK believes in that right too. Argentina either believes and enforces similar principles or it does not. It is very simple. No red herrings, discussions about history, or anything else detracts from that basic right.
86- very simple why the UN,USA and EEC sided with UK in 1982 - you do NOT charge about with a military attack to try and resolve a dispute in todays world!
Jun 17th, 2011 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can claim us all you like - but what Arg did in 1982 was totally against the international rules of behaviour - so you were put in your place.
Same as in the 21st Century today, Self-determination is the key principle - ask the Int Court of Justice? Ask Kosovo
54 JarrettSmith (#): Obviously the bar wasn't set too high for you to get your PhD... following that reasoning in any decent university, you can't get more than an F.
Jun 17th, 2011 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, one more thing, if you really have a PhD it seems pretty obvious that the insitution you got it from, rewards perseverance and not analytical skills. Pretty poor.
It's sad how nowadays, everyone stubborn enough can get a PhD...
cheers.
89 ploth (#) Yes I have PhD and I'm a lecturer and I'm not afraid to say who I am.
Jun 19th, 2011 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly what are your qualifications? Other than being a moron.
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