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Struggling to preserve Falklands’ self-determination in the South Atlantic

Tuesday, June 21st 2011 - 03:57 UTC
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(*) By Roger Edwards and Dick Sawle
Visiting the United States, with its bustling streets in Washington and Manhattan, is always a bit of a culture shock for a Falkland Islander. While we have much in common – a shared ancestry and language, and the democratic values that underpin our societies – we have a few differences too. Read full article

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  • Marcos Alejandro

    “It is always going to be a tale of contrasts when one of the world’s smallest democracies”
    What democracy? Who voted for your colonial “governor” Nigel Haywood, the penguins?

    “We are not a colony. We are a vibrant country, with an elected government and the constitutional right to choose how we govern our own affairs” and sheeps fly...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TeiSsJ3G_0

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    Is it me or is Mercopress pushing the FI issue more aggressively than ever before?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Marcos - if you ever found a brain and went to University would you use YouTube as a viable reference?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    Struggling? Oh yes especially to see reality I guess.

    Ha ha ha

    Facing reality that none knows and cares about the Islands or even Britain in US. ha ha

    And the yanks still laughing, ha ha

    I like the part “that damages the interests of any country, including the US, whose businesses seek legitimate opportunities there”

    And “America has fought wars to protect such important principles.”

    Ha ha ha Sure, sure...

    The little arrogant Islanders expect that USA starts a war against Argentina for 3000 Islanders with a GDP little than the size of a super market branch in Buenos Aires and jeopardised trillions of US dollars business and investment in the region, because a nobody from a little unknown island tell them to do so.

    Someone has to be really out of reality to say so silly things to the Yanks.

    Or may be to be very stupid living isolated in the countryside for so many years?

    And the poor guys suffered of “culture shock” when visiting little Washington. Ha ha ha

    What can I say? Too much isolation and fantasy tales from Ukistan?

    May be next time they can use typical costumes from tribal Africa they are quite successful when visiting western countries.

    Something like this will help a lot trust me http://dallasvintageshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/im000733.JPG

    : )

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Is it me or is Mercopress pushing the FI issue more aggressively than ever before?

    Touch a nerve ?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kiwisarg

    The truth is that the uninhabited Islands were claimed by Britain in 1765, before Argentina ever existed. No civilian population was ever expelled........... You continue to lie with this story!!!!!!

    this is not about Argentina or even Britain. It is about the Falkland Islands, and our democratic rights. It is bullshit!!! where they want to go with this story of Batman and Robin, please! It is bullshit

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    Not at all. I myself couldn't care less abut those islands, and I find the article's tearful style pretty pathetic and pitiable.

    But every consequence has a cause, doesn't it? There must be a cause for the fact that Mercopress's been publishing more articles about the issue than usual.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit86

    #7's a response to #5.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro_AR

    I hear a violin... hard to hear it though with all the BRITISH UNION JACKS flapping around in Malvinas.

    What a load of shit.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    If Argentina is so wonderful why do you live in the States Martin? Is it because you prefer the sound of the Stars and Stripes flapping?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @J.A. Roberts

    And if UK is so wonderful why you live in Malvinas Argentinas and not in Ukistan?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A.J.Rimmer

    lol, talk about being childish, tit-for-tat from now on is it??

    They got the message across, that's all that matters, raise awareness, and to make people think. Not bad considering the hostilities they have been faced with recently.

    No doubt a few heads will be turning to the Obama administration, wondering what the hell he is playing at.

    Happy Days

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Well well looks like Roger Edwards and Dick Sawle words have stung the Argie nutjob bloggers into a frenzy of nationalistic outrage :) More crap is spouting yet more crap, Nicdumarse is still obsessing over muslims (again), forgetit reckons that Mercopress is a front for the Falkland Islands Government, Moron fuckwit still thinks he's an argie and on a holy crusade destined to reclaim the Antarctic and Kiwisarse reckons that if he says Shit enough the islands may revert to Argentine sovereignty.

    Christ! The Argies have risen to this one like a Trout on steroids :) says it all about the shallow depth of the gene pool they come from :)

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @4NicoDin,
    l think the yanks might do more than laugh when the oil starts flowing.
    Poor old Argentina won't be getting any, so sad.
    @9Martin_Fierro,
    The violin is to cover up the sobbing from Argentina when they realise what Nestor did.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Erm, Nicodim. I don't live in the Falklands.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alejomartinez

    And these two guys where were they born? They claim to be “falklanders” but both were born in the UK. They are subjected to colonialism and claim self determination. Quite weird. Too weird. Not serious. Period. End of story.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Tit - I have been visiting these pages for over 12 months now and the rate of FI stories seem much the same. Based in Uruguay but with a British history it would be surprising if it was otherwise. Bound to increase in an election year too :-)

    As for the rest - well its nice to see the islander's getting their message out there. Not that the Americans really have any idea where the islands are. After all the majority of US citizens think that the 'south Atlantic' lies off the coast of Florida. I'm not kidding. Type 'south Atlantic news' into Google and see how much US stuff you get.

    Of course the Americans are hardly likely to be a problem anyway. The U.S. State Department still lists the Falkland Islands under British sovereignty with merely a footnote indicating Argentina's spurious claim.

    http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/10543.htm

    And yesterday the C-24 looked at Puerto Rico which isn't actually on their list, having been removed some time ago. A quick glance at the proceedings and it's obvious that the US did not attend. Much as the UK will not be attending today!

    http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/10543.htm

    Which pretty well renders the C-24 proceedings irrelevant.

    MoreCrap, Dim, Marian and Kiwi'sarse - watch and learn :-)

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mjprando

    they seem to be the first gay couple from Las Malvinas on a love cruise to the States

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Teeth and gays seems to be some kind of fixation for you people .... or do they only allow the deranged in Argentina to use the internet?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mjprando

    Self determination seems to be some kind of fixation for you people.
    I couldn't become a Polish citizen in Buenos Aires just because i claim to be one.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Self determination is enshrined in the UN Charter idiot .... being Polish isn't !

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mjprando

    sometimes you can't trust that sort of organizations,
    The UK is one of the UN big boys and are hated all over the world. I wonder why

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stakeholder

    Come on guys, some consistency please. This page is full of derogatory and condescending remarks about the islanders, and yet the same posters have previously claimed that islanders would not suffer under Argentine rule. If you think of us now as a bunch of stupid, uneducated farmers, what would life be like with your administration telling us how to live our lives?

    You have zero respect for us.

    mjprando, your example is not a very good one, it is completely inapplicable to our case.

    Just as a thought, Argentines, what would be Argentina's reaction if the Falkland Islands declared independence?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mjprando

    @23 do you think our point of view as a nation would change if you declared independence ? Hmm nope

    You may be right, my example isn't a good one, but what if we invaded Jersey and declared it a Argentine overseas territory ? would that be accepted by the brits ? NO

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Well considering Jersey is not part of the United Kingdom, that's just another bad example mjprando. Try again.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mjprando

    Isle of Man, thats the one, you got the idea and quit that snobbish attitude ;)

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Billy Hayes

    “Just as a thought, Argentines, what would be Argentina's reaction if the Falkland Islands declared independence?”

    Personally I would be glad, because that would mean that finally UK will leave south atlantic.

    Let´s move in that way mister stakeholder, kelper nation is around the corner.

    Real selfdetermination means independence and no more UK in southatlantic.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    but what if we invaded Jersey and declared it a Argentine overseas territory ? would that be accepted by the brits ? NO

    Dont you think it strange,that Isla Martin Garcia belongs to Argentina?

    Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A.J.Rimmer

    @mjprando, If the Uk is that bad, why are there Thousands upon Thousands of Polish people flooding across to the UK???

    If the Falklands became independent, i can see 2 possible outcomes.

    1. The become part of the commonwealth, and freely choose to be British, leaving Argentina totally powerless.

    2. They Stay fully independent, and pay for British protection, just like the Sultan of Brunei does.

    Either way, the British will always be there.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mjprando

    wow you seem to have a good grasp on argentinian history.
    Martin Garcia is indeed an argentinian possesion, but we had to give up Isla Juncal.
    Apart from that, Martin Garcia is an island wehre we keep our flora and fauna, we do not sell fishing permits nor we search for oil.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Billy Hayes:

    Your opinion is not the same as your nation/governments.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    #26 - err, the Isle of Man has its own Government ...... you are showing yourself up Panda. And yes, we do have a good grasp of Argentina's history. Better than most Argentines it would seem!

    Billious - you are still living in a fantasy world. The UK WILL NOT leave the south Atlantic regardless of what the Falkland Islander's decide to do. Believe!

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viscount Falkland

    Well done Dick and Roger,Please carry on the good work of correcting the Argentine government propaganda. If you do not do this work then Israel will claim it is entitled to Palestine etc etc

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Billy Hayes

    “Billy Hayes:

    Your opinion is not the same as your nation/governments.”

    My country opinion is to demand the return of Malvinas; but kelpers independence plus UK leaving south atlantic( as a natural consequence beacause they won´t have any selfdetermination to defend) could be a fine middleground to reach an accord and end the conflict.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LegionNi

    34 Billy Hayes

    ”My country opinion is to demand the return of Malvinas; but kelpers independence plus UK leaving south atlantic( as a natural consequence beacause they won´t have any selfdetermination to defend) could be a fine middleground to reach an accord and end the conflict.”

    Actually Britain would still have a presence in South Sandwich and South Georgia.

    Have to say I have never understood how Argentina can claim sovereignty of the Sandwich and Georgia islands.

    They can't claim to have ever had a colony on these islands, soveriegnty has never been under dispute with any other nation so they can't claim to have inherited anything either.

    Yet still they claim them and have enshrined as such in their constitution.

    Can anyone explain what grounds Argentina has to claim sovereignty of these two islands?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    LegionNi - I have been challenging Argies for over 12 months now to provide the basis for their claim to South Georgia and the SSI's ....the best Think could come up with was ... “ it's difficult”. They have no grounds for their claim other than geography which is the one reason already dismissed by an international tribunal in 1928.

    They cannot use geography but still they stick to it! Much the same can be said for their claim to British land in Antarctica.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Billy Hayes

    LegionNi; It´s not Argentina who must explain her link with southatlantic, but britain must explain what the hell is doing 14k miles away from home.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LegionNi

    37 Bill Hayes

    “It´s not Argentina who must explain her link with southatlantic, but britain must explain what the hell is doing 14k miles away from home.”

    Why? Can you explain your reasoning please? Is there a valid reason why Britain is not allowed a presence in the South Atlantic?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    This is just a Briefing Note in the Congress Blogsite, designed to establish the case of TFI and the pressures being exerted on it.

    I would have prefered it if it had included the 1982 events for context, as a few old faces in Congress may remember this.

    I would have prefered it if it reminded Congress that the UN position is to encourage dialogue, not to delare partiality.

    I would have prefered it if it made reference to C24 and the Argentinean pressure to re-colonise.

    It does not suggest an adopted position for the USA,
    it simply informs and allows the chips to fall where they may.

    A nice, gentle bit of truely British diplomacy.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    30 mjprando
    ''Apart from that, Martin Garcia is an island wehre we keep our flora and fauna, we do not sell fishing permits nor we search for oil''

    Where do you keep all your Patagonian flora and fauna? You certainly sell fishing permits and search for oil there.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @Billy
    If the Falklands gained Independance we would immediatley form a close association with the UK, offer them the use of the Mount Pleasant facilty for their armed forces etc, etc...

    As I understand it Independant Nations can do that sort of thing.
    :-)

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Billious - once again, geography is irrelevant. We have islands even further away than the Falklands. We are an island race. We have islands everywhere .... so we have nothing to explain!

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    30 mjprando
    ''Apart from that, Martin Garcia is an island wehre we keep our flora and fauna, we do not sell fishing permits nor we search for oil''

    Where do you keep all your Patagonian flora and fauna? You certainly sell fishing permits and search for oil there.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    it’s just a pity we have a weak government at the moment, that’s why all the rats are running wild,
    Spain thinks she is mighty again hassling little garbler boats, instead of understanding she is only a little pip quirk now, and the great Argentinian military with its secret bloggers on special duties to tell bullshit to anyone who listens, but no one does, just to keep a silly unhinged woman in power, but despite a, weak government, you notice how the argies will only bark and no more, we feel sorry for them, being restricted by a streak of yellow lines on her back,
    So carry on barking argies because that’s all you good at, fools .

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Dick Sawle was born in Sheffield England, He went on to study Spanish, South American Studies and Egyptology at the University of Liverpool. In 1986 Sawle emigrated to Malvinas, founded the fishing company Seaview Ltd.
    “Yes self determination for the Argentinean fish...so we can steal it from Argentina at no charge”

    Did I mention that Roger Edwards was born in Brinkworth, England as well?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    ??

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    46, Read the article above and you will see of whom I am talking about.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    yes i have just read about him on another article, thanks

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “Did I mention that Roger Edwards was born in Brinkworth, England as well?”

    Yes...What you've failed to do it mention why it even makes a difference.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    More crap seems to be under the delusion that elected representatives of the islanders can't speak on their behalf because they weren't born there.

    I don't see why he is bothering with this line argument anyway....I thought according to Argentina regardless of whether they were or weren't born in the islands, they aren't allowed self-determination or to even be regarded as a separate and unique people...

    Or is morecrap telling us that if Islanders born in the islanders argued the same argument, they would be allowed self-determination?

    Oh dear Morecrap, clasping at the old straws again?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Dick Sawle was born in Sheffield England, He went on to study Spanish, South American Studies and Egyptology at the University of Liverpool. In 1986 Sawle emigrated to Malvinas, founded the fishing company Seaview Ltd.
    “Yes self determination for the Argentinean fish...so we can steal it from Argentina at no charge”

    Did I mention that Roger Edwards was born in Brinkworth, England as well?

    According to Section 55 of the Argentine Constitution, candidates for the Argentine Senate must

    be at least 30 years old
    have been a citizen of Argentina for six years
    be native to the province of his office, or have been a resident of that province for two years.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mastershakejb

    It's fun to watch the furious Falklanders get mad

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yaghan

    Lies are told everywhere.
    Let us show some of yours here:
    “It is always going to be a tale of contrasts when one of the world’s smallest democracies comes to call on the world’s most powerful one.”
    Currently, the illegitimate representatives of the islands are part of the UK, with the legal status of British Overseas Territory. As such, it is not “one of the smallest democracies”, but part of a bigger one, that of the aforementioned European country.
    “But we also continue to thank the U.S., for its discreet but vital support to restore our liberties.”
    You should be more thankful, gentlemen. The destruction of the Argentine coastal defences at Port St. Louis by the USS “Lexington” was part of the events leading to the seizure of the islands by Capt. J.Onslow in 1833.
    “The truth is that the uninhabited Islands were claimed by Britain in 1765, before Argentina ever existed.”
    The truth is that the uninhabited islands were claimed by Spain, France and Britain. The first settlement was French. They dropped their claim afterwards, but Spain did not. There were many appointed Spanish governors of the islands, which were put under the rule of the Vice royalty of the Rio de la Plata.
    “No civilian population was ever expelled”.
    By the time Capt. J. Onslow acted (under orders of the Admiralty) Lt. Col Pinedo was the appointed argentine governor of the islands. No previous warning was issued by the UK., the very same nation that recognized the independence of the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata, and signed a treaty of Friendship and Commerce. Pinedo left the islands on board of the ARG “Sarandí” and carried all civilians who wanted to leave. The remaining St. Louis inhabitants were less than fifteen, of which at least seven were Argentine gauchos, rural workers.
    ”And we, the descendents of those first inhabitants (joined later by immigrants from Europe, South America and Asia) have inhabited the Falklands for nearly 180 years.”
    Not true for R.E. and D.S., isn't it?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    Luis Vernet was from Hamburg, Germany but moved to Uruguay, then later to Argentina, he was a traitor to Argentina as he first went to the British Consul in recognition of the British claim to the Malvinas, he also undertook a survey for British and recruited British colonists. He failed in his duty to defend the Malvinas and was not there when the Lexington raided, his colony of 20 men surrendered without a fight!

    The real Argentine hero of the Malvinas was Don Juan Esteban Mestivier but he was murdered by his own men, also traitors to Argentina! We need to rid ourselves of all such traitors and then we can take the Malvinas back.

    NO MORE COLONIALS IN LATIN AMERICA, THIS IS OUR LAND, GO HOME

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @briton

    Since when British are so courageous as you pretend to be?

    Las time I was in Britain all of you walk through the street with your head down so scary.

    More of you are afraid to take a walk around Brixton after 8 o’clock.

    “More than half of British women (56%) and more than a third of men (36%) are afraid to walk alone at night in their own neighbourhoods, according to a survey published today.

    The study was carried out for ITV1's Tonight programme following comments made by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith about feeling unsafe walking the streets of London at night.

    On Thursday, Ms Smith tried to clarify her position by saying she felt “very safe” in parts of the capital she knew well but people should not walk in unfamiliar districts after midnight.

    However the survey, which had 3,667 respondents from across Britain, showed many people felt afraid even in their own areas after …”
    http://www.metro.co.uk/news/86054-many-afraid-to-walk-alone-at-night

    You are a joke Briton

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    ”Isle of Man, thats the one, you got the idea and quit that snobbish attitude ;)”

    Nor is the Isle of Man part of the UK, another try please mjprando.

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Happy Winter Solstice, Everyone.
    Stop bickering & celebrate.
    Peace & Love.

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Like 3,667 is a representative sample from a population of nearly 70 million. You really are clutching at straws NicoDim. By the way, we have had a general election and change of government since Jaqui Smith was Home Secretary. That was over a year ago, so your link is just a little out of date...

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @J.A. Roberts

    1- You don’t know that all surveys carry out by think tanks are normally based on 1.000 samples that gives a margin error of 3% and a more accurate survey with a margin error of 1% only needs 10.000 samples.
    This is a scientific factor studied in statistics.

    Transparency international joke sometimes uses only 50/100 sample opinions to estimate corruption in large countries like Argentina what gives a large margin of error specially when they target a selected group of CEOs from multinationals involved in bribery like Siemens, IBM, etc..

    So this survey is quite accurate to reflects the trend opinion of a given population if the samples where not biased selected or manipulated.

    Well they have a good reason to be afraid of, London has become the capitol of the knife killing. And a war zone.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXXwq0h6qc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXXwq0h6qc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXXwq0h6qc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXXwq0h6qc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXXwq0h6qc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXXwq0h6qc

    Wow, if this is not the third world tell me where is it?

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    No, Nico.
    This is not 'third world';
    this is what happens when you let the dregs of the third world and developing countries into your country.
    'Refugees', 'economic migrants', whatever; the clashing of indigenous values with the worlds of violence, mutilations, killings, knife and AK47 from the lands they have left, brings with it the sorts of tensions you refer to, in the tight locations where these 'undesireables' gather to live.
    ['Undesireable': one whom one would not choose to import, but for humanitarian reasons, you open your door to him/her]

    I live in one of those areas where gun & drug crime and corruption etc is rife, and I would not want the worst of the culture around me to transfer to eg London.
    Luckily, Brasil reciprocally transfers the best of its people with the UK.

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @GeoffWard

    Nope Geoff this happens when people reacts like you denying the truth and blaming immigrants for the calamities made by your own leaders.

    Now these are from Manchester, what would be your excuse now to deny the problem? Are they third world country refugees too?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqyU2z-FJr8

    Come on Geoff you are lying to yourself.

    Britain have been falling since long, long time ago due to many problems more of them economics and cultural especially promoted by tories and later adopted by labour trying to imitate US culture. As if this was a matter of economic success and a tool to gain something already lost long time ago.

    You have imported all Yanks exported rubbish, like gang culture, violence, warmongering, drug culture, etc.
    Your press and politicians always are comparing Britain with US as if she was part of the “economic and military power” success of US. What in reality is a constructed lie from a desperate country that passed from coloniser to a colonised one. Special relationship, cultural links, etc. that in reality don’t exist any more.

    Britain is today what Portugal is to Brazil or Spain was to Argentina after the WWII. The former colony became the influential subject of the motherland.

    So Britain have turned diplomacy to a stick, influence and knowledge to sober and arrogance, production to speculation, from western country into a Middle East country, etc, etc.

    You own nation failure was made in Britain and by British no one else to blame.

    And you do want to export this to the South Atlantic? just wonder

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Nico #61

    Brasil 2007 homicide stats (latest published data listed below) -
    the situation in State capital cities *much worse* today:

    97 Maceió, Brasil (homicides per 100,000 in a full year)
    88 Recife, Brasil
    75 Vitória, Brasil
    57 João Pessoa, Brasil
    51 Porto Velho, Brasil
    50 Salvador, Brasil
    22 Brasil

    1.38 UK (2010)

    Your staged TV clip in You Tube is of white hoody youth 'bigging it up' for the camera. Feckless unemployed underclass, but largely harmless.

    Where I live now (Salvador), you are well over 50 times more likely to be shot dead than where I lived (London),
    and, whereas the - few - London killings are statistically 'black-on-black', localised, & drug-gang-related,
    here in Salvador, it is indiscriminate (in the wrong place at the wrong time, take a little too long to hand over your watch, pop, no compunction.).

    Trust me, Nico, there is no comparison.
    And I know; you don't.

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    drug culture, etc

    Your money goes further in Argentina

    It is considered a drug for the poor as it only costs two or three pesos for a hit; but addiction soon becomes an expensive habit. It gives an intense high that lasts a matter of seconds, and it is this, combined with the highly toxic chemicals, which makes it so addictive. Users constantly need another fix, with people taking up to 100 hits a day. Many addicts will go on binges spanning over three days without sleep, constantly searching for more.

    http://www.argentinaindependent.com/feature/paco-drug-epidemic-sweeping-the-streets-of-argentina-/

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    That stuff is messed up. 10 pence it costs, lol.

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    nicotine why do you sprout such crap,
    I suppose Argentina is paved with gold, the only country in the world with no crime, police with no guns, everybody obeys the law,
    You are the best human rights enforcers in the world,
    [i think you smoke too much, totally brain dead]
    The only real difference between you and the UK, is you tell total c rap
    The only thing you have going for you, is that he who condemns the most, [you] are very obviously jealous and envious of us,
    By loser,

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Briton

    Do you really believe that I can be jealous about this? Are you joking?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NldELGI2XCw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NldELGI2XCw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NldELGI2XCw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NldELGI2XCw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NldELGI2XCw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NldELGI2XCw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NldELGI2XCw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NldELGI2XCw

    Even an African will not be jealous about your third world country mate.

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Poor Nicdume (Youtube A/c name...recently shut down!) so jealous of the UK....
    Hes obviously lonely again, must have broken up with Muhammed again, that why he's started obsessing about Muslims again...poor little Nicodume what a strange fetish to have!

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    You are nothing more than a bare-faced racist NicoDim.

    Eight youtube videos does not prove anything.

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Proves he's an idiot.

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SamSalzman

    @ marcos Alejandro, Comment #1
    “What democracy? Who voted for your colonial “governor” Nigel Haywood, the penguins?”

    May I ask who there voted for Argentine rule? That is the democracy they talk about mate.

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    hey stick up your Junta ,
    Are you aware that London has one of the worlds highest rates of
    drug laundering operations in the world, every country has its good and bad and England is far away of being a noble one .

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    But she will always be better than Argentina,
    England as you put it commands respect,
    Argentina command’s fear.

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    I don’t really know why these people get so upset and angry when someone tell them the truth about the society they are living in.

    Anyway I cannot blame them after all the corrupted leaders they have are the responsible of the degradation suffered in their nation.

    Jun 24th, 2011 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Nicodume Nicodume so deluded he must believe his own lies...simple because it is his patriotic duty to believe the worst about the UK, nationalistic sentiment simply says he must to believe it :)

    The UK is still here, the UK still has the Falklands, and the UK is certainly not going away.....

    Nicodume can rabbit on about his husband muhhamed and these mythical 700,000 soldiers in the Argentine army who are going to pile onto one ship and somehow take the Falklands.....

    But the trouble, is it is all fart, Nicodume knows nothing and never will know anything, I think that is quite clear :)

    Jun 24th, 2011 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Must smart,having a third world country“UK” stopping you taking some islands 300 miles off your coast

    Jun 25th, 2011 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    I don’t really know why these people get so upset and angry when someone tell them the truth about the society they are living in.

    8 youtube videos is not truth by any stretch of the imagination. You have to try harder than that NicoDim. It does, however, show you up as nothing more than a blatant racist.

    Jun 27th, 2011 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @J.A. Roberts

    Why I’m the racist?

    I’m just showing the state of your nation.

    What do you expect a selection of your govt. propaganda?

    Jun 28th, 2011 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    That's not the state of our nation NicoDim - far from it. You quite obviously have no idea.

    It's telling that except for two all your videos “feature” black/south asian people when less than 6% of the UK population is black/south asian. You are nothing more than a racist of the worst kind.

    Jun 28th, 2011 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @J.A. Roberts

    “6% of the UK population is black/south asian”

    And who is going to believe that?

    And you call me racist?

    The person who deliberately denies and minimise the real population of Africans and Asian in his country. Are you joking?

    Don’t you walk your streets or you just are in the middle of the countryside with your sheep?

    Do you think they are extras starring for a movie in the third world?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR3FwTtBVjk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR3FwTtBVjk

    “White people in UK's cities 'likely to be a minority in 20 years, 2007”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR3FwTtBVjk

    More lies from your wonderful govt. statistics may be?.

    You live in denial my friend

    Sad very sad seeing you denying your fellow countrymen.

    Typical British racist behaviour.

    Jun 30th, 2011 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    “6% of the UK population is black/south asian”

    And who is going to believe that?

    Well we have a thing called a census NicoDim. You would do well to educate yourself and acquaint yourself with the facts. Bald facts mate. Bald facts.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Kingdom
    It's under “Ethnicity”, in case you don't know.

    You can confirm these facts here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Kingdom

    You are the one who is denial about your blatant racism.

    Jun 30th, 2011 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    JA #80,

    I have explained to Nico only last month what a census is,
    using the USA Census to describe the ethnic and racial mix of the States, particularly wrt 'Latino' and 'Hispanic' designations.

    He does know these things, he just prefers to blog as if he doesn't.

    Jun 30th, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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