MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
UK committed to Falklands in spite of all the “huff and puff” from Argentine politicians
The UK remains committed to retaining sovereignty over the Falkland Islands in the face of renewed Argentine pressure over the issue, and has the political will and military means to defend the Islands, Defence Secretary Liam Fox said. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHuff and puff is the limit of the Argies aggression. When you don't have teeth you cannot bite.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DOn not worry,corned beef.liam will have to do more than that to defend the uk.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Las time,there was much more than huff and puff.Just look at the bottom of of the Argentine sea....
For now we do not worry about that....However,the average Argentine population lives better than the uk.
You are spending money you do not have....
Defence Secretary Liam Fox is feeling the pressure after another failure, Qadaffi dead or not, in Lybia. On top of that the whole world supports Argentina including the Americans.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We have Typhoons” and we don't and still winning this war without firing a single shot.
the Argentine sea
Jun 27th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that the 2 mile stretch of coast your ships hid in after the belgrano was sunk
Mite as well crash in the island, eh?
Jun 27th, 2011 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0still winning this war without firing a single shot.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you winning? argie flag flying over the Falklands? selling fishing permits? stopping the drilling?
Just as well you aint losing :-)))))
Jaja.... Said Mrs Kirchner: “stupid position for a country in decline” , someone warns the stupid British that the colonial era ended? . Malvinas was, are and will be Argentina, as part of Tierra del Fuego, Antartica & South Atlantic Islands, so that people can process its identity documents in Ushuaia (the capital).
Jun 27th, 2011 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Estevez - so what, you sank a few ships, this was expected. All that and you couldn't even a war on your door step. Bit embarrassing isn't it.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - your definition of winning is? Americans, how do they support your stance? Lost on me that one. Come on Forrest enlighten me.
“those politics of the other side of the world” (the best side of the world I should say) with a woman president who just says 4 well choosen adjectives makes the british get upset. Uk cant defend nothing at the UN, doesnt go there, all they can do is this: threaten us with typhoons sending the vicepresident to Br to ask for moderation and sending messages that they are going to get all the oil. All by force and threaten and stealing we do know very well. Nothing new in more than 170 years.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm too many statements made by the brits lately ... are you afraid of anything my teeth losing friends ??
Jun 27th, 2011 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truth is you couldn't afford going back to Las Islas Malvinas (Sandy Woodward), you don't have any operational carrier nor the support from Uncle Sam...
Buut hey, you could still defend Gibraltar from those filthy spaniards !! I guess ...
Pirate Liam Fox Sparrow: You are not in the century XVI your are in the XXI , where the international community request the return of the Malvinas Colonial Enclave to the original country: Argentina.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British minister linked to recent attacks in Buenos Aires the next election and said that Argentine politicians could “blow”, but it will not affect resolved in the UK.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It really is very ignorant, the cause of Malvinas transcends political shift is a cause of all the Argentine people that spans the social spectrum, sports, cultural, political, from right to left.
As the world public opinion is internalized more than Falklands conflict, many countries are sympathetic to the claim of sovereignty.
“We typhoons and stationed there. We have a very clear message that we have so much naval power, if necessary, and certainly no intention to ensure that the Falklands remains free and its people enjoy freedom who fought so hard for 30 years, ”said Fox
It is very important work of these years of Nestor and Cristina Kirchner to gamble as a state policy of disarmament and non-violence and opt for dialogue and peace among peoples, the fact is that Argentina has decreased significantly its military investment merely reducing it to essentials. This contrasts with the aggressive arms of Great Britain to hold a suspected nuclear base in the islands and yet still with the humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya. This has fallen badly in world public opinion the double in the UK and unsettles him in his speeches.
malen [ all they can do is this: threaten us with typhoons ]]
Jun 27th, 2011 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it not the Argentinians that are threatening the Falkland’s .
mjprando ,, [ are you afraid of anything my teeth losing friends ]]
Was never afraid to kick you out of the Falkland’s was we ]
nitrojuan [ the international community request the return of the Malvinas
the international community wants nothing more than Argentina to grow up]
All we can say is this, ,
Desperate words from a desperate government with a few die hard bloggers]
Argentina a once great country, ruined by an obsession of glandular .
Thats ruffled the argies feathers :-))))
Jun 27th, 2011 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Desperate words from a desperate government with a few die hard bloggers.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, we agree on that one my kelp eating friend, desperate words coming from 10 Downing St. !
maybe maybe,
Jun 27th, 2011 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but i be not a kelp,
i am in london my friend .
11 nitrojuan ------ Yes, yes we have heard it all before were pirates and scoundrels, but at least we are not thieves and trespassers that are so brainwashed we believe without any kind of evidence what the wannabee leader of a nutty thieving lying country tells them about the Falklands.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will say this just once and then I am going to bed to sleep soundly in my bed, Argentina, if you think you are big enough and strong enough to take on Britain over this matter, either in combat or in the international law courts then be my guest bring it on like you did last time when we taught you the real meaning of democracy, but my guess is there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth from you Muppet's because that's what your only good for isn't it. The rest of the world knows you for what you are, opportunistic cowards that want something that is not rightfully yours. Now go away and gnash those teeth. Oh and do a bit of wailing as well while your at it.
I see alot of huffing and puffing by Argie bloggers...but no realistic ideas about how that huffing and puffing is going to get them the islands :)
Jun 27th, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only realistic option the Argies have of getting the islands is a full out invasion, but as I've pointed out in another post you don't have the capabilities and you don't have the will, and you never will :)
So far the most terrifying proposal the Argentine govt has come out with is to ban Argentine companies from operating in the islands and to build 5 fibre class patrol boats which will come into service 10 years from now....
So really all you can do is huff and puff :)
i prefer huffing and puffing to get the islands to comments like this man that because of 4 adjectives he threatens us with 4 typhoons
Jun 27th, 2011 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you look desperate talking of this and in this way ... our president is intelligent sth it seems you are lacking at this moment...
Nitojuan and others - I challenge you to produce public staements from the USA -BACKING- Argentine Sovereignty please? All they did - as do many other nations - at the OAS was back a motion that asks both sides to sit and negotiate - even a numpty should be able to realise that is not “backing” - just agreeing that there is a dispute and calling on the 2 sides to talk about it! Hell even WE know there is a dispute!!
Jun 27th, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul- please show me some international evidence that UK has nuclear bombs ANYWHERE - even in UK?(They got rid of them about 40 or more years ago!) UK has nuclear missiles in its strategic submarines yes - but why on earth would they want to store them in the middle of the Islands for christs sake you idiot! Storing them at a submarine base in UK shared with the US is a bit more sensible - and funny enough - yes that is where they are!
Guess no more Argentine veterans or families will ever be visiting their graves here then- your Timmerman announced to the world at the UN that apparently we nasty lot still forbid Argentines to return here? Wonder who it was that Christina kissed and waved off at Rio Gallegos airport coming here in 2 specially paid for large Lan flights 18 months ago - they must have been Bolivians!!!
Must be nice to know you have a Foreighn Minister who is a public LIAR!
He's not threatening you numbnutts, he's just pointing out that Argentina can do nothing militarily and diplomatically.....just shout big angry insulting words :)
Jun 27th, 2011 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So if he has threatened you with 4 typhoons, what are you going to do about it Malen?......Huff and Puff.....XD?
Funny looking at all these Argies who think they have the upper hand. Are they all River Plate fans who need to get all of their aggression out?
Jun 27th, 2011 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A laughable lot.
If you want the Islands then come and get them.
militarilly we are not going to do nothing 600 kids had died we dont want that, so we are going to do it all diplomatically and huff and puff in all the international organizations we can does it bother you ???
Jun 27th, 2011 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 Britain had no submarine-launched Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles. Now we do.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 Britain had no military airfield on the Falklands. Now we do.
In 1982 Britain had no air-launched air to ground missiles. Now we do.
In 1982 Britain had no air-launched cruise missiles. Now we do
In 1982 Britain had no air-launched anti-ship missiles. Now we do.
Huff Puff.
21 Yes Rhaurie, we know that you have four typhoons, we know that those birds get scared of Argentinean fog as well.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We are very grateful to both the Argentine Authorities and the Chilean Authorities for their cooperation and rapid response which ensured that this emergency was resolved swiftly and with no loss of life.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/04/falklands-thick-fog-forces-two-raf-typhoons-and-tanker-to-land-in-punta-arenas
Marcos - no point risking such a valuable peice of kit if Argentina and Chile have no problem with allowing them in their airspace.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malen - All international organizations? The only one with the power to adjudicate in this matter is the ICJ but have categorically rejected any notion of taking your argument to the ICJ. Why?
Wake up when you know what you are talking about you imbecile.
“political will and military means to defend the Islands”
Jun 27th, 2011 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0defend, all the Argentine nutters can respond is delusional crap about their offensive capabilities and we talk about defence.
Says it all doesn't it.
In 1982 Britain had no submarine-launched Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles. Now we do.
Jun 27th, 2011 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 Britain had no military airfield on the Falklands. Now we do.
In 1982 Britain had no air-launched air to ground missiles. Now we do.
In 1982 Britain had no air-launched cruise missiles. Now we do
In 1982 Britain had no air-launched anti-ship missiles. Now we do.
In 1982,your foreign debt was minuscule,now you DO HAVE a 8.9 trillion foreign debt...not to mention a 960 billion public debt..and a devastated industry...
Payable in about 3 generations..compliments of ”your' conservative party....
Point is that the British stole the Islands form us to begin with. That we have less military power than the brits is no news. I am actually proud of that. Proud of not being a colonial pirate country. If you want to keep believing that the islands are rightfully yours, good for you. This would mean, though, that our president is right: you are mediocres, bordering stupidity. One day your bullying attitude will not be able to sustain istelf no longer, and you will suffer the misery you carry within. In the meantime, we´ll be waiting...
Jun 27th, 2011 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0for decolonization and sovereignity we go to the UN
Jun 27th, 2011 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0does it bother you?? jodeteeeeeeeeeee we have the right to go there
political and militarily doesnt mean you won this dispute still exists
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Jun 27th, 2011 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good morning all. To quote a phrase - Chuckle, chuckle :-)
Jun 27th, 2011 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's is evident that there seems to be a need to keep on “reassuring” what you claim to be without any doubt... Good job Argentina, once again!
Jun 28th, 2011 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malen- go to the UN all you like- wont get you anywhere as it does NOT have the power to decide(since 1965 has it made any difference- no our flag still flies proud) - only the ICJ has that power - why dont you go there?
Jun 28th, 2011 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tony Meola- check your history- First RECORDED and DOCUMENTED landing was Capt John Strong UK in 1675. Same for first accurate(by those days!) sighting was another Englishman Capt John Davis in 1592.Briefly settled by French+British 1764-1775. Continuously occupied and settled by UK since 1833 - no native population to be forced out. Small Arg military force was evicted in 1833, all settlers offerred to stay - and they ALL did apart from 4 - who went of their own free will back to Buenos Aires. All 1833 evens well documented in your National Archives. Check facts dont listen to Timmermans Lies!
Adejo - seems fair enough. Your politicians use the Falklands for political purposes and so do ours. After all, if years of spouting by the Kirchners hasn't been 'reassurance', what has?
Jun 28th, 2011 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mad'un - if you think the C-24 is the UN then you're barmier than I first thought. The Security Council sits at the top and legally its Resolutions are binding on all members of the UN. Beneath them is the General Assembly whose Resolutions are merely 'advisory', and under the GA are the 'Committees'. Six of them. The Fourth deals with decolonisation amongst other matters. And there, right at the bottom, under the Fourth, is the C-24 which only looks at the issue of decolonisation and the implementation of the UN Charter.
Distinquished by its regionally biased membership, and with no ability other than to de-colonise, the C-24 has no say over sovereignty and its decisions are next to worthless. Passed its sell-by-date. Discredited. It seems now to exist merely to offer its members buisiness class opportunities.
Decolonisation is “ ... in a state of “virtual inertia” and was devolving from an “unfinished agenda” to an unattended one....”
To quote a phrase from last year's Fourth Committee debate.
Keep smiling :-)
Interesting to reflect the spirit of each party through their statements:
Jun 28th, 2011 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 01) From UN Committee Decolonization (C24) last resolution:
“…resuming negotiations in order to find, as soon as possible, a peaceful solution to their sovereignty dispute”
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2011/gacol3225.doc.htm
2)From OAS last statement
“OAS General Assembly welcomes the reaffirmation of the will of the Argentine Government to continue exploring all possible avenues towards a peaceful settlement of the dispute and its constructive approach towards the inhabitants of the Malvinas Islands”
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2011/gacol3225.doc.htm
3) From UNASUR latest messages
“Unasur reaffirms its “full support to the legitimate rights” of Argentina…… to resume negotiations so as to find, as quickly as possible, a peaceful and definitive solution to the controversy”.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2011/gacol3225.doc.htm
“The leaders (Unasur) also request Ban Ki-moon to renew efforts.... with the purpose of achieving a peaceful solution to the dispute as soon as possible”
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2011/gacol3225.doc.htm
4)Argentina´s messages continuous and systematic through the years
Argentina not to attack Malvinas Islands to regain control:
”I am not going to be provoked by Britain's Defense Secretary (Liam Fox),” Timerman told local radio with regard to remarks by Fox on the disputed territory, … the only way to recover the Malvinas Islands is through peaceful negotiations.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2011/gacol3225.doc.htm
5) From (UK) supposedly civilized and member of Security Council at UN….So, a really big responsibility.
“We have Typhoons already stationed there. We have a very clear message that we have both the naval power if necessary”
God bless our differences…God bless L
Estevez - so what, you sank a few ships, this was expected. All that and you couldn't even a war on your door step. Bit embarrassing isn't it.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really for a Dr in economics you are quiete ignorant.
Let say Argentina,did not wanted to win..
Read reports from Admiral Harry Train US navy.
The Argentine,always considered a political solution.They never considered to be at war.
It would have been very easy,to destroy the beach head at San Carlos,with heavy artillery bombardment......
No artillery was shot on San Carlos,kind of odd.....You have to see what was going on...Anyway,Costa Mendes,was a representative of british investment in Argentina........
You really are very ignorant......
Never was the political will to win over the brits......We,the people who were aware of the behind the scenes,alway knew that.........
Kind of odd that the soldiers had very little artillery....Sub had problems with torpedos.....I have never believed in that “war”.It was a scam.......
Desperate words from a desperate position seem to be the ones in defense of the Colonial Power's owners (not the english workers). Plus, it does not represent everyone's opinion in the UK. A friend of mine, londoner, is really ashamed for these statements.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Falkland Islands are kept free and their people enjoy the liberation we fought so hard for 30 years ago“, said this Defense Secretary. What liberation? Why does he talk about ”them” in reference to the not more than 3,100 islanders if those are as british as a londoner? Apart from this, the story of neighbors invading each other on wars takes place at the XXth century Europe, not at South America. Someone is not being honest (apart from threatening).
It seems in some comments here that everything is about having the islands or not. My values and the values of everyone on this earth who support this position do not change according to the real opportunity or not to get the Islands. We all support a world of rights, of clear rules, of respect, of cooperation, of democracy, of PEACE; in their heavy and not banal meanings.
And the international community is supporting the Argentinian sovereignty more and more because they understand that today it is the Malvinas and tomorrow it could be another territory (in fact the UK has 10 of the 16 non-self-governing territories in the world). The UK doesn't want to discuss this because discussing about the Falklands is discussing about many other things. Fox wants this to be a lesson of discipline for other countries, and impose silence by weapons.
Beef [Huff and puff is the limit of the Argies aggression. When you don't have teeth you cannot bite]. The Argentinian position is not the aggressive one.
Barbarians have always been tough guys (they like spending money in war machines). Old habits die hard, but every empire is destined to fade away some day. This can explain the anxiety and the arrogance shown by the British Authorities. There will be a new world order.
Guffaw, Guffaw ...... found this in the BA Herald from Tinman-
Jun 28th, 2011 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ .... The statements concludes by warning that “in times in which the world is still struggling with the aftermath of a grave financial crisis, the Defence Minister remarks regarding military spending are particularly unfortunate, since those resources could be spent in benefit of the population. History is filled with false leaders that appeal to a false nationalism as a distraction to their internal issues. We also know the outcome of that....”
”False nationalism as a distraction”... from an Argentine politician lol ...... love it :-)))))
SoFa - There's nothing to discuss ..... Period !
Ermine - “ ... And the international community is supporting the Argentinian sovereignty more and more ...”
Err ... no they're not. Nothing at the C-24/OAS/MercoSur/UNASUR this year that wasn't said last year, or the one before, or the one before that .... etc, etc. But please, enjoy grasping at straws.
I do love a good guffaw :-)
Well, new malvinistas crawling out of the woodwork! Couldn't be bothered to explain things all over again. So l'll leave you all with a few unquestionable home truths. Now pay attention lads & lassies,
Jun 28th, 2011 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 01)The lslands are named the Falklands, NOT malvinas.
2)Argentina has NEVER owned the Falklands.
3)Argentina DOES NOT NOW own the Falklands.
4)Argentina NEVER WILL own the Falklands.
5)We do not need liberating from anyone right now, thanks & we DO NOT want to be part of Argentina.
So thank you for your concerns, goodbye & have a nice day.
Estevez - you didn't have any heavy artillery within range of San Carlos as you didn't expect te landing to occur so far from Stanley. That is fairly simple to figure out if you read a little.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most of your artillery was hiding behind civilian buildings in Stanley and on the final assault on the hills around the capital you couldn't even aim that right.
I guess it is easy to be a conspiracy theorist when you lose. Kind of makes it palatable for you. You lost because you simply were not good enough. The truth then and the truth now.
I still find it hilarious that these Argies think they are winning anything, showns how they have such low standards.
The problem with political rhetoric is that rhetoric by one country's senior politicians causes another nation's media to provoke a rebuff from another country's senior politicians & so it goes on & on; the media circus wins because it create sensationalism. Newsprint is sold & stories read. That is what has happened here
Jun 28th, 2011 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing new in the fact that the UK has a defense policy & maintains a sufficiently sized garrison in the Malvinas/Falklands to maintain a credible deterrent from most military threats. The UK does this because it learnt from its recent history that when it did not maintain a credible deterrent it suffered the indignity of invasion by a foreign power
Would a modern democracy like Argentine invade again? I doubt it Argentina's senior politicians profess they would not follow that path again. However, the British have learnt the hard way that weak defences led Argentina to attempt to seize the Malvinas/Falklands by force in 1982. Therefore now they chose to rely on their own deterrent rather than the goodwill of Buenos Aires
I think their current defensive posture demonstrates the damage the unprovoked attack on them in 1982 did to their belief in Argentine politicians. There is a breakdown of trust for which Argentina shares responsibility. Long ago the UK & AR settled this matter in the Convention ratified in 1851 but it is forgotten
Argentina makes much of of reinforcing an outdated stereotype that Britain is an empire. Yet, the UK is not just as modern Spain, France, Portugal or Netherlands are not empires. Britain does have overseas territories where it is the administrating country in accordance with Article 73 of the UN Charter. The UK is duty bound under resolution 1514(XV) to allow the peoples of its non-self-governing territories freedom to chose their own futures, which includes the case of the Malvinas/Falklands
People have more in common than differences. Offers of friendship & cooperation are needed from all
Redhoyt [False nationalism as a distraction]: Where is the false nationalism and what is the distraction for at Timermann's words?? I could have wrote the same about Fox's statement, false nationalism suits a conservative government like Cameron's better, but those classy and defensive statements are not founded in anything. And be sure that the international community is supporting Argentina more and more. Apart from the institutions you name, more and more governments are expressing every year their support.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Beef: [You lost because you simply were not good enough]: I think you are right, Argentina was never gonna win a war. That was false nationalism from the non democratic government then, and the same false nationalism from Mrs. Thatcher (who really needed distraction in the UK to implement neoliberal unpopular changes at economy). And Argentina can't even think about a war with England right now, but that's why there is a more sensible Argentina now, and we will follow this position that we've chosen: A PACIFIC yet permanent claim; and a peaceful relationship with other governments who also want a world with more security, with no weapon threatens.
That's why Fox is so anxious, so disrespectful, because the UK Government understands that armed conflict is the only place where they can win. That's why there are provocations when the corporate media announces headlines with no serious fundaments like “the Prince may visit the Falklands”, or when the media expresses that drilling to extract oil could be possible in here. It is the search of an aggressive response from Argentina.
And again: this is not just a matter about getting the islands or not. the UK is promoting war, threatens, is spitting on the international cooperation. And war means money spent in weapons in stead of social development, it means death (no matter which your flag is).
There is no personal dislike for english people in me. I have even went to bed with english. Just sincere words.
More huffing and puffing by the Argies...quite hilarious, but anything concrete?....nope.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fermin: “We all support a world of rights, of clear rules, of respect, of cooperation, of democracy, of PEACE”
-So you shouldn't have any problem respecting the Falkland islanders democratic and human right to choose their own future then?
PS the UK is not the aggressive one on this, to be aggressive you need to be attacking someone....we are just sitting in the islands watching you lot get all riled up and ranting and raving about how dreadful we all are for eeer...doing nothing except living our lives :)
And I would say you are seriously deluded if you think the UK is seeking to have fisty cuffs with Argentina, what planet do you live? have you seen the ridiculous and infantile statements your govt has come out with in the last 10 years? I know poking the lion is a past time enjoyed by politicians in the run up to elections in Argentina but don't look so surprised if it gives a growl of displeasure once in a while.....
Ermine - Dictatorship or democracy, Argentina has used the Falkland islands as a political pawn in its domestic politics for decades.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for your - “ ... Apart from the institutions you name, more and more governments are expressing every year their support....”
Where is your evidence for this? Where are these expressions, and which go beyond a call for negotiations?
Liam Fox is merely replying to the criticism levelled at the current expediture levels and defences of our territory and also reacting to the rhetoric of Cristina and Tinman. It's what politicians do.
Enjoy your permanent claim .... it's based on falsehoods, but you'll express it anyway. You have no choice unless you ask the ICJ to rule on the matter.
gufffawl Drilling for oil is an act of aggression...within our territory nice one ermine!
Jun 28th, 2011 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't put it past your clearly insane and deluded politicians to claims that an islander breaking wind in the direction of Argentina constituted an act Aggression :)
I seriously wonder sometimes if the Argentine govt has a super computer specially programmed to generating rhetoric and excuses about why you should have the islands and not the only people who've lived their permanently, quite clearly your amateurish politicians have just about used up the limit of its capacity because the standard of Argentine argument has got more and more infantile over the last decade as the computer struggles to generate a new coherent argument for your clearly incoherent government....
“with the aggressive arms of Great Britain to hold a suspected nuclear base in the islands”
Jun 28th, 2011 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0How is it a suspected nuclear base? All of our nukes are based on submarines, you idiot.
Estevez - you didn't have any heavy artillery within range of San Carlos as you didn't expect te landing to occur so far from Stanley. That is fairly simple to figure out if you read a little.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0beef: They did not have enough artillery,anywere,period.That is somenthing that I know,even before the landing.By the way San Carlos was second in the list of possible.....
Like I said: I have never believed in that scam....
Most of your artillery was hiding behind civilian buildings in Stanley and on the final assault on the hills around the capital you couldn't even aim that right.
Wrong.There was artillery around Darwin.The could have place the 155 mm battery around there.With a range of 25 km,they could have reached SanCarlos.IN fact, some officers wanted to bombard SanCarlos from around Puerto Argentino,which they could have reached from some hills,and where not allowed by Menendez.
Like I said,it is obvious,they were looking for a diplo solution.Menendez was left alone,without any support from the continent.
He complaine,because inteleigences sources gave the list of weapons in store by the brits.
Read books by Kasansew and others about the conflict day by day....you will see that very clearly..
@48Tte Estevez,
Jun 28th, 2011 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you deny that heavy artillery was placed between people's houses & in the school playground?
Liam Fox makes what is essentially a factual statement (is anybody willing to deny those Typhoons exist?) and Argentineans -including the President and the Foreign Minister- get their panties in a bunch. That is what happens when people used to empty rhetoric and impractical symbolic gestures (e.g. issuing a single ID document for one person born in the Falklands and living in Argentina) are confronted with reality. To sane and rational people, Fox's statement is about as controversial as “the sky is blue” or “water is wet”, but sadly most Argentineans have chosen emotion over reason. Time for them to grow up and realize they have to live in the real world.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let’s prepare for War, war, war, war and lets go for the head of Liam Fox to see Mohammeds of what they are made of.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0#50 Its nothing to do with the statement, which talks of defence and a deterrent posture. The garrison only exists as a result of Argentine aggression, the previous garrison was 40 Royal Marines. The current garrison is no threat to anyone (unless they try and invade).
Jun 28th, 2011 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its an election year in Argentina and Christina is beating the Falklands drum loud as ever. And they fall for it every time.
@51 Let’s prepare for War, war, war, war
Jun 28th, 2011 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0and who is going to fight ? you? I would rather be impaled by Vlad III than fight for the current government !!!!!
Justin (Comment #50):
Jun 28th, 2011 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The vicinity of elections explains the attitude and the statements of the President and the Minister. What explains the equally irrational reaction of 30M+ Argentineans who are NOT running for office? Look at the discussion fora in Argentine newspapers and you'll find plenty of examples of “Rah rah Timmerman”. It is easy (and right) to accuse the former of blatant manipulation. It is also accurate to point out that the Argentinean population allows itself to be manipulated over and over again. Countries have the representatives they deserve.
guffawl Nicodume the sofa general talking through his backside again.....had to bring his husband Muhhamed into the argument as well!
Jun 28th, 2011 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dim - all huff and poof !
Jun 28th, 2011 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong.There was artillery around Darwin.The could have place the 155 mm battery around there.With a range of 25 km,they could have reached SanCarlos.IN fact, some officers wanted to bombard SanCarlos from around Puerto Argentino,which they could have reached from some hills,and where not allowed by Menendez.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jees you talk some bollox,why did they send in skyhaws to bomb San Carlos then?
People who was born in the South Atlantic Department, Tierra del Fuego Province (includes Malvinas) can process its document in the civil registration house in Gdor Campos 1465 Dto 42. Ushuaia as James Peck do, or continue living in a colonial primate system.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Snigger snigger hello Martin!
Jun 28th, 2011 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.flickr.com/groups/malvinas/discuss/72157627057143996/
@57 Hold on !! Stick , A Battery is = 6 cannons. The GA3 had only one !!! for the record . The Artillery Group is composed by 3 Batteries (6 each) plus a Battery called Logistics/Supplies (Bateria de Servicios). Just FYI
Jun 28th, 2011 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forgive them father,
Jun 28th, 2011 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For they no not what they are about to do.
But they will bitterly pay the price of stupidity
As aggressors normally do ...
No.. Redhot I mean pimate as primitive.. like your ideas...
Jun 28th, 2011 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 61
Jun 28th, 2011 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re read my post, was countering, 48 Tte Estevez's bollox
@58
Jun 28th, 2011 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”People who was born in the South Atlantic Department, Tierra del Fuego Province (includes Malvinas) can process its document in the civil registration house in Gdor Campos 1465 Dto 42. Ushuaia as James Peck do, or continue living in a colonial primate system.”
And what if we took you up on the former, what's in it for us?......well?....
....nothing.
BTW is the phrase 'colonial PRIMATE system' something to do with 'Banana republics'
another brit joke ;) , in decline as your empire...
Jun 28th, 2011 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64 My bad!
Jun 28th, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gral Menendez was not the TO commnader. His function was G5 (Civilian Affairs), just for the record. The 155 mm has a range of 20 km, 30 with special ammo and Yes, you are right! that's a bunch of bullshit.
For those who at the other side of the world relate this with elections in Argentina. I would say that right now there is more liberty of speech in Argentina than in most of the countries in the world. If you were here, you would see how the opposition (that is bucked-up by a big portion of the media) tries to come-up with lies and huff and puff on dishonest attacks to the government, and how another media responds to that, and how another portion of the media stays in the middle. These Malvinas thing is not on the cover of newspapers, the Government has really better aspects of its management to promote than this words about the Islands and the opposition has also another better stuff to care about when they go against the Government.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Redhoyt has said here: “Nothing at the C-24/OAS/MercoSur/UNASUR this year that wasn't said last year, or the one before, or the one before that”, but for some reason PM Cameron this year decided to turn up the volume (http://en.mercopress.com/2011/06/15/falklands-sovereignty-is-not-negotiable.-period-says-british-pm-cameron) responding not only to the Argentinian Government, but to the UN and to the International Community because it is TRUE that the support on Argentina is growing up. For example, here you can see an article about Obama's position: http://en.mercopress.com/2011/06/15/falklands-sovereignty-is-not-negotiable.-period-says-british-pm-cameron)
That's when our President CFK responded, making it clear that ours is a peaceful claim, taken to the International Institutions (this is a real demonstration of respect for these Institution, a country that even when it is clear that these organizations are not fair for everyone, even when England has a better seat at the UN, chooses not to give up, and to go on with diplomacy).
The sensible (and respectful for the international community) position is what Liam Fox doesn't like, they need Argentinian Government to get irritated so they can go on with a “defense excuse”.
The C-24's role is to report to the UN General Assembly progress made in the implementation of resolution 1514(XV) in non-self-governing territories on its list. Argentina ignores this, as does the OAS. Rigging the C-24 with sympathetic South American Countries is obvious & discredits the C-24 and Argentina's claims
Jun 28th, 2011 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not think England uses its seat on the UN Security Council to disadvantage Argentina. I think when Argentina smites the UK on the cheek, the UK offers its other cheek
I do think the UK & France should consider replacing their seats with an EU seat. I also think Brazil should forgo its seat in the UN Security council and similarly replace it with an OAS seat. All should have rotating representatives from their members. In doing so, I think the member states would advance the cause of the U.N.
There is no defense excuse. The origin of Argentina's claim lies with the Spanish empire. The origin of the Falkland Islanders claim lies with the British Empire. Both Falklanders & Argentines are largely descendant so of European immigrants who have lived in their lands for many generations, but are not indigenous peoples. So descendants of European immigrants argue over land. For some it is their home and the only home they know, for others it is not
The fact is Article 73 and resolution 1514(XV) requires the UK and AR, and all other member nation states of the U.N. to support the free choice of the inhabitants of the Malvinas/Falklands to chose their own futures.
If negotiations ever do happen under the auspices of the U.N., then the choice of the people of the Falklanders will decide the outcome
All members of the U.N. are required to accept and support the people of the Malvinas/Falklands free choice
Argentina & the UK did settle all differences between one another in 1851 by ratified treaty. This is a fact, even though it is forgotten or ignored, the same fact is not changed
I think both sides need to try sincere friendship not anger& hate
@ islander (34)
Jun 28th, 2011 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0False what you say. The islands were discovered by the spanish crown in 1520, having been annexed to their territory, later the “virreynato del rio de la plata”, first origin of argentina. (all stated in nootka sound). The UK agreed to stop trying to occupy the territory.
The UK attacked the islands in 1831 for the first time, when since 1820 they were internationally recognized as argentine territory. Before that, by the way, the british crown tried to invade bvuenos aires in 1806 and 1807, and were expelled by the locals. The islands were already a target as well. Finally succeeded in 1833.
Besides from all this, it is internationally stated that the islands are in the continental plate of the argentine sea, hence argentine territory.
Obviously you britons will keep insisting on you being the owners... It´s okay. As I say, we´ll keep pusuing this in a civilized way, and not threatening with military statements. Fortunately we don´t have any military dictatorship in Argentina anymore, so we do not run the risk of having some ape-like general declaring a ridiculous war. As of the UK, your prime minister reminds me of tatcher... I pitty your country, whith the black future you have ahead in social and economical terms.
#780 By God there's some rubbish there lad. The islands became British in 1765. 1831? Utter cr*p and your 'locals' in 1806/7 were 'Spanish'. And, as I've said, and more importantly, international law says .... geography is irrelevant.
Jun 28th, 2011 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here .... get yourself an education !
http://www.falklandshistory.org/spanish4.pdf
you say “Argentine are largely descendants of european inmigrants who have lived in their lands for many generations, but are not indiginous people. So descendants of europeans inmigrants argue over land”
Jun 29th, 2011 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Face facts indigenous of argentina were colonized by spaniards, mixed people of argentina commanded by San Martín and Belgrano liberated us of spanish colonialism. So the mixed people argue over land.
Different to Malvinas. UK usurpated a land colonized the territory not the people that was expelled and then implanted from UK. So europeans in south america are trying to argue over Malvinas.
70- Ok show me the documentary evidence of this alleged discovery in 1520 that shows clearly it was the Falklands that were found and HOW were they thus claimed- by landing on them?
Jun 29th, 2011 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK never agreed to stop attacking what - what are you on about? Spain attacked and forced the small British settlement out in 1770- but gave it up and returned the place to UK in 1771/1772 rather than face a war with UK over it.
1806-7 was NOTHING to do with Argentina at all - it was UK attacking Spanish territory ANYWHERE in the world as they were in the middle of a war!!
I think the British Isles are on the same continental plate as Europe is- so by your stupid logic UK and Ireland should perhaps belong to France or Germany- or Denmark- or Serbia!!!
Geography has no bearing at all. PEOPLE do.
Malen- please produce the documentary evidence of eviction of settlers in 1833? Check your National Archives in Buenos Aires - the genuine ones will show only the slodiers were evicted. The settlers were invited to stay - and they all did apart from 4 people- that is one of these very “un-Argentine” things called a historical FACT.
Did you not know your Mr Timmerman is a Public Liar? Hell he even now claims Arg citizens cannot come here !!- I reckon a hundred or so fly in from Rio Gallegos every year!
we fought to be different to our colonizators you want to be similar to them
Jun 29th, 2011 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0more facts you need???
Yes Mad'un .... having to fight to be what you want to be is inefficient. Getting to be what you want to be without conflict is the better way. The Falkland Islander's seem to have achieved that!
Jun 29th, 2011 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least most of the islander's appear capable of independent thought, unlike you who just swallow your Government's lies. Now go and take you tablets, and let the kind nurses put your straightjacket back on :-)
@tony meola
Jun 29th, 2011 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Nootka Sound Convention was between Britain and Spain. Argentina was not party to the agreement, so cannot benefit from it. Anyway, Britain retained rights in the Falkland Islands according to Nootka, Spain's title was not absolute.
Also, What does Spain have to do with Argentina? Buenos Aires was Spanish in 1806/7, and Spain was at war with Britain. What relevance is that?
Britain claimed and settled the Falklands in 1765, long before Argentina existed.
Please get your facts right.
l see the Argentines telling lies again. Nothing much seems to change. lt must eat them up inside knowing that they will never get thier thieving hands on these lslands. But then, they don't belong to them anyway.
Jun 29th, 2011 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@72
Jun 29th, 2011 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just because you subjugated indiginous people does not make you right Malen, also I always find it amusing how fervently you believe becoming independant through further violence somehow wipes the slate clean for you ex-colonial hypocrites.
@74
We are what we are Malen, kicking Britian in the teeth to fit in with you sycophantic hypocrites won't make us more Falkland Islanders than we are already. Anyway the British are not our 'colonizators' (great word Malen), the only nation that want's to colonise the Falklands is Argentina...so actually we have fought to the different from our 'colonizators'.
78 we fought for independance because that was the only way not to be subjugated im proud of our liberation fights, liberators were brave men with new ideals. fighting to be free in ALL SAmerica it happened this way study more.
Jun 29th, 2011 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0i have native criolla and inmigration blood
the british were and are colonizators you are not natives of SAmerica
@79 malen,
Jun 29th, 2011 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats very nice for you, malen. However these are our lslands, not yours so kindly mind your own business & keep your nose out of our affairs.
Thank you & goodbye.
Keep on working British subjects on our islands. Keep on working as your case is exhausted. Good job Argentina again. Ask Prince Williams to fly your typhoons btw.
Jun 29th, 2011 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... the british were and are colonizators you are not natives of SAmerica ...”
Jun 29th, 2011 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are now!
Adejo - the islander's will keep on working, for their own enrichment and towards the independence ..... good job Argentina :-)
@79
Jun 29th, 2011 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and I'm proud of our fight for liberation from the opression of Argentina, What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the Gander Malen. Just because we are different from you does not mean that we have no right to live in our homeland with a government of our choice.
Your 'colonial' rhetoric is decades out of date, I suggest you try to catch up.
Argentina was never a colonizator we were colonized
Jun 29th, 2011 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A militar junta made a war nobody is proud of that
This country is talking to get pacific solution to dispute your country is answering with threatens statements
@84
Jun 29th, 2011 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, you decided you wanted independence from Spain, and you got it.
We DON'T want independence from Britain, and that decision is of no concern of yours.
Everything else is just blither.
84 malen
Jun 29th, 2011 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody is threatening you. The military presence on the islands is for our defence, as you well know.
And we don't need to fight for our independence. We could have it any time we liked. We just don't want it right now, and one of the reasons is because we don't trust you lot as far as we could throw you. You only have yourselves to blame for that.
So stop whinging on about the British military in the South Atlantic. You brought them here and you can just put up with it.
And what do you mean 'Argentina was never a coloniser'? You are always saying you inherited your claim to the islands from Spain.
Are you then nothing to do with Spain? I'm confused. Because Spain definitely was a coloniser.
I don't think I'll bother studying much more of your history. We have plenty of our own.
86 Monty69-------And what do you mean 'Argentina was never a coloniser'? You are always saying you inherited your claim to the islands from Spain.
Jun 29th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you then nothing to do with Spain? I'm confused. Because Spain definitely was a coloniser.
These tossers always forget that little part of their history, they forget that their forefathers came saw and killed their way through South America stripping it bare as they did the killing, and they have the nerve to say that Britain is the worst culprits in the colonist stakes. At least when we did it most of the world benefited from it, these bunch of murdering pirates exterminated everything that got in their way, and would still be doing it if we let them. What a bunch of murdering freaks.
their standard of education is getting worse
Jun 29th, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0boy talk about zombies ??
Since when the United Kingdom dedicates its time to the protection of minimal population on very reach in natural resources lands overseas??
Jun 29th, 2011 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can the NOT MORE THAN 3,100 habitants of the Malvinas claim autodetermination when they are just as british as a londoner? when their governor is a man born in the UK who lived all his life in Europe? What kind of liberation is that??
Only seeing the big picture, analyzing this situation in a CONTEXT is where we will find a clear diagnostic. What motivations take the UK Government to those aggressive and disrespectful for “global democracy” positions? What is so important that makes PM Cameron and Liam Fox show the rest of the world their teeth? Is it the supposed “liberation of the islanders”? What a charitable people!
How can their decision to spend so much effort, money and political cost (because these statements don't make the UK look peaceful, respectful , diplomatic and sensible) have to do with the protection of a population that is
as large as the 10% of Wokingham, a town near London??
I live in a town called City Bell, in lands 30km away from Buenos Aires owned by british families just 100 years ago. If according to what some said in this comments the geographical aspect is not relevant, maybe they could also claim to “protect and liberate” this lands?
This aggressive statements from Liam Fox are not making the rest of the world feel quieter or safer. If every government in the world showed their teeth like this every week we would certainly live in a more dangerous world.
All of us are discussing here about Malvinas/Falklands, but Cameron's refusal to discussion doesn't permit to do something like this on the international diplomacy scopes. Imposing silence, fear and imperial discipline at the International Institutions is just NOT RIGHT.
The British Empire has a long story on colonizing the world and Malvinas is part of what's left of of that Empire, and a very strategic military-geographical area.
89 fermin
Jun 29th, 2011 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that you can't understand why Britain would want to protect our rights says more about you than it does about us.
The fact that there is only 3000 of us doesn't mean we have fewer rights than anyone else; it means we are vulnerable and have more need of protection. Are you really saying that basic human rights don't apply to small populations?
And what would you know about Falkland Islanders anyway? Have you ever been here? Do you know any? What are you basing your assumptions on? Your idiot politicians telling you the islanders are 'hostages'?
89 fermin- Canada,Australia and NZ have Governors too - do those nations get their ordewrs from Londo?- I dont think so! Nether do we- we run all our own laws and taxes and economy etc within our terretorial and maritime limits(even the oil if any, will belong to us- not London.
Jun 29th, 2011 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here the Governor from UK has no vote at all in our Parliament. He only has authority through London for foreign affairs and defence.
Talks?- how can you talk about a dispute when Arg Govt has many times publicy stated that the only answer it would accept is full Argentine Sovereignty and that we Islanders have no rights at all to any say in our future- sorry - those are FACTS.
My family has lived and we have been born here since 1843- I am no way like a Londoner- English. Yes I am British - but first and foremost I am a Falkland Islander.
Quite simple really
Jun 29th, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982, there were 40 Royal Marines stationed in the Falklands, an ice patrol ship HMS Endurance for an average of 6 months/year. HMS Endurance was armed with 2 x 20 mm cannon.
In 1982, Argentine invaded resulting in the deaths of nearly 1000 young men before we kicked out the corrupt military dictatorship - resulting in Argentina returning to democracy (no need to say thank you btw). All the rhetoric and utter crap outpouring from Argentina convinces us that the Falklands are still used by Argentina to drum up nationalism and so we retain a purely defensive posture to ensure that the next tin pot Government doesn't decide to invade when the Falklands are essentially undefended.
This is called learning from your mistakes. We do this simply because of the right to self-determination of the Falkland Islanders, which is an obligation resulting from being a member of the United Nations.
class nº 1
Jun 29th, 2011 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we didnt make you bring military defence you brought it here since 1833 and before too when you took by force our land
spanish arrived in 1500 colonized the natives of argentina
1800: criollos mulatos natives gauchos mestizos MIXED people of argentina (not spaniards not spaniards not spaniards) fought against spaniards (only spaniards only spaniards only spaniards)
cant you see we werent spaniards???????????????if we would have been spaniards we wouldnt have fought against them and we would be a stupid colony up today
yes we inherit all of Spain, the colonized people inherits all of colonizators
very easy to understand even by a kid of 3
Is Malen not Spanish?
Jun 29th, 2011 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 093 The islands defence in 1966 was only 6 Royal Marines. Increased to 40 after a bunch of you clowns hi-jacked a DC4 Airliner.
In 1982 you idiots invaded. After you were booted out the British retained a stronger defence to protect the islanders from your crappy people and their despotic governments.
@93malen,
Jun 29th, 2011 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) “when you took by force our land”-WRONG, Malen, it was NOT your land then & it is NOT your land now.
2) l couldn't care less whether you are Spanish, half Spanish, Chinese or Ethiopian. Thats nice for you.
3) You inherited nothing from Spain. Spain did not even recognise you until about 1850.
Get used to it Malen, your country has filled you with lies & you will NEVER get OUR land.
“autodetermination”
Jun 29th, 2011 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''yes we inherit all of Spain, the colonized people inherits all of colonizators''???
Jun 29th, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No they don't.
You don't own everything that ever belonged to Spain.
And that's assuming that the Falklands belonged to Spain, which they didn't.
You are so Spanish anyway. Your ancestors just went native, but you're still descended from murdering thieving thugs and in no position to lecture anyone about military anything. I don't care about that at all. There's a lot in Britain's past that's a bit murky.
But I do resent being lectured and patronised by the likes of you.
Speaking of ethnic cleansing (yeah someone mentioned it) I discussed this very topic with a descendant of President Roca who tried to brush the matter away by claiming the indigenous people did not belong in Argentina anyway because they were just Chileans that crossed the mountains and were trespassing. An interesting spin on genocide.
Jun 29th, 2011 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.ocnus.net/artman2/publish/Editorial_10/The_British_Ethnic_Cleansing_and_Concentration_Camps.shtml
Jun 30th, 2011 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0We're not talking about Britain, Malen. I've already said that I agreed that Britain's past was pretty grimy in places. I probably already know a lot more about that than you do, without looking at your link. We aren't brainwashed about our history at school.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0So now lets hear it from you.
Or are you still maintaining you have been washed clean in the purifying process of revolution, and let's all conveniently forget about all the native South Americans minced after Argentine independence.
So repeat after me.......' I am not perfect, my country is not perfect, British people are not all wicked imperialists, why don't we all try to get along with each other'....there, that wasn't so hard was it?
“I am not perfect, my country is not perfect”
Jun 30th, 2011 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0You'll never get a malvinist to say that Monty, they're too careful of their reputation of being compulsive liars....it's their substitute for ever actually achieving anything.
what does it bother you so much?
Jun 30th, 2011 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0im native descendant like 56% of argentines
campaña del desierto internal problems arg against arg, natives against criollos and natives .... many argentines died unfortunatelly
we find solutions with all our neighbours of Southamerica and have good relations with them
Malvinas always was in dispute. argentina goes to the UN and we have the right to do it, you cant change that no matter you like it or not, we want to talk about and you dont...... thats all
and i can read the book of every side of our history specially now it ihas been made an historical revisionism that became fashion in this country
“ ... argentina goes to the UN ...”
Jun 30th, 2011 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really? Or does Argentina go to a sub-committee of the UN which actually has no power to rule on matters of sovereignty?
And why go there? Is it because it's the only UN forum left that will listen to Argentina's bleating?
fermin, you are just as Spanish as a Spaniard. You don't really have a leg to stand on. You can exercise your self determination, why don't you allow the Falkland Islanders to exercise theirs?
Jun 30th, 2011 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The number of Falkland Islanders is totally irrelevant. There are independent nations with fewer inhabitants than the Falkland Islands. Every people has the right to self determination, no matter how small they are. Their number does not limit the right to self determination.
How can you characterise the UK's position as aggressive? The forces on the Falkland Islands are defensive and nothing more. Until you Argies invaded in 1982 there was a small party of Royal Marines. Now the Islands are better defended, and have been so for nearly 30 years - because of YOUR aggression.
I think you'll find City Bell has always been in Argentina, since it was founded. So your example is false. It has no relevance.
Many of the Queen's realms have governors, and almost all of them are independent. Some of them for a very long time now. Canada, Australia, New Zealand have been independent since the Statue of Westminster was passed in 1931 and they have governors. The Queen is in fact head of state of 16 independent countries, and 15 of those have governors to represent her. I know you find it difficult, but please try and get with the programme.
The British Empire ended decades ago. Every single colony which requested it has been granted independence, so please put away your “British Empire” violin. The Falkland Islanders freely choose to remain British. Until THEY change THEIR minds we will support them in their decision. It costs us less than 1% of our defence budget - they are self sufficient in all other respects, and would be self sufficient in defence if it were not for Argentina's aggression. It's not up to the UK and it is certainly not up to Argentina to decide for the Falkland Islanders.
99 malen:
Jun 30th, 2011 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Got to the second paragraph and stopped reading when the author claimed that it was the UK that invented the concentration camp and ethnic cleansing.
Wikipedia is not a valid form of factual research.
02 malen
Jun 30th, 2011 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''we find solutions with all our neighbours of Southamerica and have good relations with them''
I'm very glad to hear it.
So what are your ideas for developing good relations with the Falkland Islands?
That isn't a trick question; I'm speaking as a Falkland Islander with internal self government, a self- sufficient economy, a distinct culture and language from Argentina, no wish whatsoever to be Argentine.
All I'm hearing and experiencing from Argentina is threats and intimidation. You're not making yourself very appealing are you?
Just look at it from our point of view for a moment. How likely is it that we are going to say 'Look how mean they are to us, we'd better become part of Argentina'?
The best you can hope for is an independent Falklands existing peacefully as part of South America, and your own policies are making that seem very unlikely.
The most useful thing your politicians could do would be to accept that there will never be any negociations that give the Falklands to Argentina, because there really won't, ever.
They could then decide what the next best outcome would be and work for that.
You want the British military presence out of the South Atlantic? Fine. I don't blame you. So start thinking about what you can do to bring that about.
I'll give you a helpful hint: threatening us isn't it.
Mercosur full members and associates energically rejects the regrettable statements from UK Minister regarding the deployment of combat aircraft and naval power in Malvinas zone
Jun 30th, 2011 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thats all
Mercosur?? Who ??
Jun 30th, 2011 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malen, combat aircraft and naval power has been deployed in and around the Falklands for nearly 30 years. The UK defence secretary was simply stating the situation has it is (and has been for quite some time). Nothing new. And now Mercosur suddenly notices that there are combat aircraft and naval assets in the area?
Jun 30th, 2011 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You guys are slow, aren't you...
107 malen
Jun 30th, 2011 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That doesn't sound like much of a solution to me. 'Rejecting' something that is a palpable fact seems to be the definition of a pointless exercise.
Are you thus saying that the British goverment,
Jun 30th, 2011 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0should ask argentina before it says things, perhaps the argentina goverment would like to write the statments for the british goverment,
looooooook flyyyyyying piggggggggs lol
Well folks, l wouldn't be wasting too much time answering malen. She just repeats the meaningless garbage that she was taught at school & never listens to anything. Defininitely a poor deluded soul.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, malen, you just concentrate on your own country & don't you worry about us & ours(l'll give you a clue,our country is called the Falklands).
Mohammeds playing with fire ummm.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mohammeds playing with fire ummm
Jul 01st, 2011 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thought that was a argie pastime
Fed up with morning rush hour delays, angry commuters in Argentina have set a train on fire and pelted it with rocks.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Argentina-Angry-Commuters-in-Buenos-Aires-Set-Train-On-Fire---Government-Blames-Leftist-Radicals/Article/200809115093594
114 stick up your junta --------- Nar they were not fed up with rush hour delays, the thugs just thought they would practice a little bit of thuggery, and then thought o shit how are we going to get back home. Sums up the mentality of the morons. Anyway Dim and Dimmer who rattled your cage:)))
Jul 01st, 2011 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Stick & BritishCiguagua Ltd.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really I thought was Mohammeds pastime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GMSNNIakwU
Piqueteros where?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GMSNNIakwU
I guess soon you will have corralito and them entire collapse made in UK.
Ha ha
@115
Jul 01st, 2011 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argie brain dead, setting light to the trains cos they are late,that will show them :-)))))
@NicoDin
Jul 01st, 2011 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's not likely to happen we still have a good 800 years of cultural evolution on Argentina, and we will still be around and kicking a good 800 years after Argentina's collapse.
Don't worry if you really work hard Argentina maybe able to catch up to the UK in culture with a good 400 years of hard effort.
But considering how pathetic your government is currently acting it's rather unlikely.
@Syco
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope your lenders and creditors take into account that. ha ha ha
Have you got our 11 trillions dollars?
Well we have 800 years of cultural evolution on Argentina plus interest. Ha ha ha
Poor, indebted and stupid a very bad combination my friend.
: )
“ ... Poor, indebted and stupid a very bad combination my friend....”
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least you know what you are .... don't knock yourself out over it!
@NicoDin
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not to worry we will give you Argentina's share which stands at about £4.54 in a tub of oil drilled from your coast line cool?
Maybe with that £4.54 Argentina could buy a Rubber dinghy, and mount an assault on the falklands.
Just remember to bring the white flag k?
Poor, indebted and stupid a very bad combination my friend
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's Economic Collapse (FULL VERSION)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4353655982817317115#
You aint kidding Nicotine
@Sticky & Syco ltd.
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0That was 10 years ago now we are in 2011 have you noted that?
You have to pass all over this and you don’t have even entered into it.
Call me the next years when Britain collapses and tell me how looks like?
Oops seem too much trouble at home Sticky?
Strikes, Piqueteros, unemployment, financial trouble, cartoneros, homeless, cuts and now this?
UK would not be insulated from Greece collapse Cable says
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-not-insulated-greece-collapse-cable-082039286.html
Oh! Guys seem you are spitting in front of a ventilator and someone had spitted on your barbecue (oh sorry in your case Kebab).
And do you want even more, like a kick in your Moham’s @ss?
You sure are joking, I like British use humour, is a good method to express frustration with a big laugh.
Ha ha ha
Yup, noted that Dim. Ten years on and you still haven't paid off your debts, still being sued by your bond holders, still no access to international credit markets ... well done :-)
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0And do you want even more, like a kick in your Moham’s @ss?
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or maybe a d>ck in yours Nicotine,from your Rage boy lover
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492864/The-surprising-truth-Rage-Boy-Americas-hated-poster-boy-Islamic-radicalism.html
,Desperate words from desperate bloggers
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is all washed up .
@Redhoyt
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares? We can live without credit and even without imports.
But what about in your tiny country?
@Sticky
I don’t get it? This is you?
@briton
Oh! Poor Briton so nationalistic and really nothing to be proud of.
depends on what you mean by proud,
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0proud of 2,000 years of history
proud of, the giggest and best empire the world has ever seen.
[and before you say it,, we gave it back by of the commonwealth,
oh and before i forget,
proud of the fact, that this tinly little island 8,000 miles away
out manned and out gunned, took on the 8th largest country, against overwhelming odds, AND BEAT YOU, yes im proud to be BRITISH ??
So am l.
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The menacing and ugly rhetoric coming out of Buenos Aires over the Falklands is becoming louder and more aggressive, as it sounds more and more like the old junta of Leopoldo Galtieri
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mercosur full members and C24 are just a herd of donkeys led by an , Ass, ??
Too bad that uk is loosing the diplomatic battle.....You ARE GONNERS.....
Jul 04th, 2011 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British won the diplomatic battle in 1771 ...... haven't lost our edge yet!
Jul 04th, 2011 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't you noticed, 8 years after Nestor upped the rhetoric ..... nothing has changed! The Falkland Islands are still British and there is no credible threat to that.
We've been fighting diplomatic battles for most of our history, which is how our little country came to dominate 25% of the globe. You've a lot to learn yet, SiEster :-)
@briton
Jul 04th, 2011 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You live from propaganda and lack of history I guess.
1- 2000 years ago Britannia was a province of the Roman Empire until 410/50 AC.
http://www.britainexpress.com/History/Late_Roman_Britain.htm
2- Your fake history tells that you are the result of Anglo-Saxon invasions, another lie but serves to probe how you make up things from fanny stories. A period denominated in between 550 and 1066 AD.
So you were 516 years in formation? Wow how lazy you are mates.
3- You often take the formal political or independence year of a nation to make your point about the claim over Malvinas by Argentina (you say 200 years). So why you don’t use the same criteria what give us a better understanding when United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland was formally formed?
What in fact was in 1800 and enters into effect in 1801.
So 2011-1801= 210 years of history of the UkoGBaNI AKA Ukistan.
4- “giggest and best empire the world has ever seen”
Another lie because to arrive to the mass of land of 33.7Mk2 claimed to be the former British Empire you included Antarctica. Are you not a joke?
Have you ever heard about Genghis Khan the ruler of an Empire of 33mk2 who didn’t include land that never hold?
5- “h and before i forget,
proud of the fact, that this tinly little island 8,000 miles away
out manned and out gunned, took on the 8th largest country, against overwhelming odds, AND BEAT YOU, yes im proud to be BRITISH ?? “
The score is still 3 Argies 1 little brits what makes you the big loser. And do you want to make our score even higher?
So guys why you don’t better try to dominate your own homeland that by the way is being invaded slowly, slowly but constantly since long time ago?
May be that way someone will take you serious losers. Ha ha ha
It does not matter how you try to pervert it with your revisionist version of history, our islands and our people go back 2,000 years.
Jul 04th, 2011 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0You cannot manage 200 !
Very DIM
“Another lie because to arrive to the mass of land of 33.7Mk2 claimed to be the former British Empire you included Antarctica. ”
Jul 04th, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Claims on Antartica are not included in any of the sizes of Empires.
“The score is still 3 Argies 1 little brits what makes you the big loser. And do you want to make our score even higher?”
Insecure much?
Argies 3?? Oh, you are including the times when Argentina didn't exist. It must be an Argentine trait to reinterpret history for your own ends .... or is it just that you do't have very much history?
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Jul 05th, 2011 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some of the comments from some that claim to be Argentinian Nationals are very childish.
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Jul 05th, 2011 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Redhoyt
Jul 05th, 2011 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a bunch nationalistic brainwashed indoctrinated like old dogs.
“It does not matter how you try to pervert it with your revisionist version of history, our islands and our people go back 2,000 years”
Lie you don’t have 2000 years as “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland” only has just 210 years. All BS propaganda.
http://www.rahbarnes.demon.co.uk/Union/Union1800.htm
You were speaking old Italian language with Spanish accent and eating pasta 2000 years ago.
@zethe
“Claims on Antartica are not included in any of the sizes of Empires”
And how do you arrive to the mass of land of 33.7 mk2 claimed by you to be the former BE?
Make your list of territories and Km2 and see if you arrive to that much.
Simple.
Insecure? Who? Me? I don’t need to lie or invent great glorious past and you?
The past has gone... we are in 2011,
Hello!!! Weak up!!!
Britain in a map looks so little and insignificant and any alien from Mars visiting planet earth can tell you that.
Have you noted how your little island is being invaded recently?
Any thought?
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Jul 05th, 2011 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nico.
Jul 05th, 2011 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British empire at it's largest was 36.6 million km under King George V in 1922.
Mongol Empire was 33.2 million km under Khublai Khan in 1268 at it's peak.
lets do some maths, shall we?
In 1922 the British Empire only claimed what is now claimed as British Antartic - 1,709,400 km.
The Australian and New Zealand ones were not claimed untill later. The British Empire even if you included British Antartic would still be larger than the Mongol Empire.
But again. It is not included. In general no territory that was uninhabitable was included in Empire sizes.
http://www.biblestudy.org/maps/what-are-the-greatest-empires-in-history.html
“The below lists err on the side of including any land area that was explored and explicitly claimed, even if the areas were very sparsely populated or unpopulated. No claims on mainland Antarctica are included in the area of any of the empires.”
Once again the defeated insults the victors, and the jealousy and envy is for all to see,
Jul 05th, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yet the charm charisma pride just rolls of the British,
To the secret admiration of the Argentinian people,
While the government forces of trained bloggers, sit in the corner lol.
Quote “The past has gone, we are in 2011”.
Jul 05th, 2011 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why are you still whining about the events of 200 years ago and using it as an excuse to persecute people in 2011?
Don't bother with the double think to excuse it, we've heard it all before.
@140
Jul 05th, 2011 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We noticed some invaders a while back, when they were sent packing we noticed they had left a few toys and momentos for us to keep, like this one;
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/562134
I think it's rather better looked after now than it ever was, and as you lot can't fly yours due to a lack of parts, and because you can't afford to maintain them, maybe you could buy it back? Wait though, none of your pilots have the required certification to fly it due to no flying hours, something to do with a lack of fuel I think.
Oh well, we'll just have to continue to polish it and charge admission for the British Public to see it.
I might go and take a look at it.
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Jul 06th, 2011 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0#140 Dim - you should learn to read “ ... our islands and our people go back 2,000 years..”
Jul 06th, 2011 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid boy, we are a people ... not a name!
” ... I don’t need to lie or invent great glorious past ...”
Do you have a glorious past??? lol
#142 & #147 - Having a little trouble there Art ? I didn't understand much ... but I think I got the 'Imbecil' ..... wish I spoke more spanish :-)
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Jul 06th, 2011 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@148
Jul 06th, 2011 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry Red, I got it !!! :-)))
These lot don't like it up em do they?
Jul 06th, 2011 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Touchy when you show em the trophies; I think we have about six of these aircraft dotted around RAF Museums in the UK, some are obviously displayed in pieces after the SAS/SBS gave them a bash, but they probably represents the most airworthy squadron that the RGs don't actually have anymore.
Go on, wear your hearts on your sleeves chaps, a few tears, wailing and moaning, shouts of 'patria' or some other shit, beat your chests though, because you can't beat anyone that matters.
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Jul 06th, 2011 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0To relieve all that pent up frustration you should buy yourself a glass bottomed boat, and take a relaxing cruise to see the Argentine Navy.
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Jul 06th, 2011 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, ain't that nice, hugs from SiEster who is now Marvin the 1st, King of some fictitious islands, fabled to lie in the south Atlantic, somewhere near the Falkland Islands :-)
Jul 06th, 2011 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hugs all round ..... (I home this translation software is getting hugs right :-)
To pick up on a different thread SiEster Who Is Now Marvin, as Argentina was never able to establish sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, territorial integrity is not an option for argument and 'self-determination' is more powerful following the Kosovo case.
A feeble attempt to get back on thread :-)
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Jul 06th, 2011 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do try harder, you'll not achieve anything by having group hugs and the odd reach around, with concerted effort, maybe one day you'll discover what your dicks are for.
Jul 06th, 2011 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really lady bug.Coming from an “expert” in collecting unemployment benefit like you,let se what the serious people says:
Jul 06th, 2011 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0More on historical perspective and legal aspects
Here have some lesson of civility,dean:
Section (6) of UN Resolution 1514 states:
Any attempt aimed at the total or partial disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
Argentina claims on this basis the restoration of its territorial integrity.
Furthermore, according to a study on the right to self-determination for the UN Commission on human rights (U.N. doc. E/ CN.4/Sub2/204 paras 267-279), Aureliu Cristescu describes the following as 'elements of a definition' of a 'people' that can exercise this right:
The relevant elements are that the term 'people' denotes a social entity possessing a clear identity and its own characteristics, and that it implies a relationship with a territory, even if the people in question has been wrongfully expelled from it and artificially replaced by another population (Quoted from ICJ 1982, p. 32).
This interpretation would clearly favour Argentina's case.
The strongest elements in the British case seem to be its long occupation of the islands and the clear desire of the population to remain under British sovereignty.14 Legally, however, it appears that Argentina has a very strong case. Unfortunately there are sufficient uncertainties in the legal arguments for Argentina's case (just as there are in the British case) that it is not possible to arrive at a definite conclusion.
Furthermore, the text of Security Council Resolution 502 also undermines Britain's authority for military action with the purpose of law-enforcement. The Resolution recalls a previous statement by the President of the Security Council calling on Argentina and Britain 'to refrain from the use or threat of force in the region of the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas)', th
Aw diddums, the mickey mouse case, using bent and twisted interpretations, doesn't have any certainty, so the status quo remains, all is good, let the oil flow!
Jul 06th, 2011 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, you are not getting it SiEster Who Is Now Marvin - Argentina NEVER HAD territorial integrity ... so you cannot claim it now!!
Jul 06th, 2011 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Copying what you pasted on the other thread is not the answer!
“ ... Defining ”peoples“ There is not yet a recognized legal definition of ”peoples” in international law. Vita Gudeleviciute of Vytautas Magnus University Law School, reviewing international law and UN resolutions, finds in cases of non-self-governing peoples (colonized and/or indigenous) and foreign military occupation “a people” is the entire population of the occupied territorial unit, no matter their other differences. In cases where people lack representation by a state's government, the unrepresented become a separate people. Present international law does not recognize ethnic and other minorities as separate peoples. Other definitions offered are “peoples” being self-evident (from ethnicity, language, history, etc.), or defined by “ties of mutual affection or sentiment”, i.e. “loyalty”, or by mutual obligations among peoples. Or the definition may be simply that a people is a group of individuals who unanimously choose a separate state. If the “people” are unanimous in their desire for self-determination, it strengthens their claim. For example, the populations of federal units of the Yugoslav federation were considered a people in the breakup of Yugoslavia, even though some of those units had very diverse populations. Libertarians who argue for self-determination distinguish between the voluntary nation (the land, the culture, the terrain, the people) and the state, the coercive apparatus, which they have a right to choose or self-determination ...”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination#Defining_.22peoples.22
Vita Gudeleviciute, Does the Principle of Self-determination Prevail over the Principle of Territorial Integrity?, International Journal of Baltic Law, Vytautas Magnus University School of Law, Volume 2, No. 2 (April, 2005)
Only 'recalls' lol :-)
All they know is huff, and we know they are puffs already, so what ever diatribe they offer is stuff and nonsense, because they all carry a white flag as standard equipment whenever things look a bit harsh.
Jul 06th, 2011 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares about you yankkiasses!!!
Jul 06th, 2011 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hello idiots
Jul 06th, 2011 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Wireless
Oh! Sorry Brainless but we couldn’t make our museum because our war trophies are sunk in the Atlanctic Ocean. Next time perhaps?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVdeFhZkzO0
and UK= No Carriers, no planes, no Army, no jobs, no hope, no money, no Britons, no factories, no flag?
@Redhoyt
You are talking about your nation so it was finally created in 1800/1801 quite simple you are inventing your 2000 years of history as UkoGBaNI.
The purpose of paragraph 6 is simply “to ensure that acts of self-determination occur within the established boundaries of colonies, rather than within sub-regions”. The use of the word “attempt” in paragraph 6 connotes future action, and paragraph 6 cannot therefore be construed to justify territorial redress for past actions. Its aim is rather to protect ”colonial territories or countries that have recently become independent against attempts to divide them at a time which they are least able to defend themselves. Paragraph 6 is subordinate to paragraph 2, so that the right of self-determination remains available to the inhabitants of all non-self-governing territories without exception.
Jul 06th, 2011 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You see you have to read the whole thing, not cherry pick from sub-ordinate clauses. There is and never has been an issue of Argentine territorial integrity to restore.
The relevant elements are that the term 'people' denotes:
a social entity - check
possessing a clear identity and its own characteristics - check,
and that it implies a relationship with a territory - check
even if the people in question has been wrongfully expelled from it and artificially replaced by another population.
By your own definition the Falklanders are a people and has been demonstrated here on numerous occasions Vernet's settlement was not expelled, this is a lie and you can't deny Falklander's identity on the basis of a lie.
It fundamentally holes any Argentine case below the water, it does not strengthen it.
UN 502 does not inhibit the UK's inherent right to self-defence. Argentina started and sustained the Falklands War, it spurned every attempt to resolve the matter through peaceful means and saw negotiations as a means to delay British action till it became unfeasible because of the weather conditions at sea.
Get over it.
Yes, I'm just making it up .... you stupid child !
Jul 06th, 2011 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Popped down to the local RAF Museum today, £2 to park, free admission, they had a Mercedes G Wagon, G290 Series captured by the Gurkas in June 1982, the story is interesting, and reveals more about Argentine financial acumen;
Jul 06th, 2011 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They brought it back to the UK by sea, then moved it by Chinook to RAF Gutersloh in Germany. It had a 30mm cannon shell hole in the bonnet.
The shell hole was repaired and it was given BFG Licence Plates and used as a squadron transport and hire vehicle, still in its Argentine paint scheme.
A neighbouring squadron 'hijacked' the vehicle and returned it with a new tiger stripe paint scheme, which was not to the liking of 18 Squadron, who re-painted it in black and red, the squadron colours.
When a new gearbox part was needed it transpired that the vehicle was unpaid for and Mercedes requested the vehicle back. As spoils of war it was not available for return. Mercedes refused to supply parts and spares had to be obtained elsewhere.
When 18 Squadron returned to England, the vehicle proved impossible to register with the UK DVLA as it had no importation documents, so it was donated to the RAF Museum.
Things like this are classic, you just couldn't make this shit up.
@175
Jul 06th, 2011 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what did you do with “my” OERLIKON's ? are you taking good care of them?? lol!!
Art, just to prove my story is credible, here's some of the pictures I took today at the museum;
Jul 06th, 2011 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Senor Maldonado's Aircraft;
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/232/img0072kjt.jpg/
The Mercedes G-Wagon parked next to it;
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/232/img0072kjt.jpg/
I hope at least you realise that I am just pulling the legs of a few of you and seeing who will bite; I'd actually be interested to see the captured British Flags held in Buenos Aires from 1806/7, it is all history and that is my interest.
It is funny to watch people lose their rag though I have to admit.
@177
Jul 06th, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never doubted you for a second ...
Still with propeller aircraft,we gave you hell!1
Jul 06th, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a shame!USA,NATO,Canada,Australia,NZ,Chile support.....
Still all the terrible losses you had.......
Bye bye Losers!!!
Hardly Malvine. You failed while having all the advantages.
Jul 06th, 2011 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see that some still continue to bite; yes the losses were regrettable, on both sides, but we didn't lose the conflict, and no-one is saying goodbye.
Jul 06th, 2011 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do agree with what you are saying and we can respect each other even though we were enemies at one point.
Jul 06th, 2011 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now, can I have the Mercedes back? lol!!
Someone always has to lose,
Jul 06th, 2011 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To lose gracefully, is respectable,
But to lose then, disgracefully moan and condemn is rather childish lol.
As you argies keep saying, let’s forget the past and move on,
Argentina thus leaves the Falkland’s alone and excepts they are entitled to their, independence and to have the right to live in peace,
Then we can all move on [what say you] future mates ??
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