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Argentina files criminal charges against consulting firm for publishing inflation data
Argentina's government has filed criminal charges against the managers of an economic consulting firm, escalating its persecution of independent economists. A federal court official said Friday that a judge is evaluating the charges but has yet to decide if it is appropriate to begin investigating them. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesand so it begins. I suppose these economists are really secret organs of the British propaganda machine trying to de-stabilize Argentina?
Jul 09th, 2011 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paranoia, bi-polar, schizophrenia, is there any mental illness this government doesn't have?
seems there is a recognised condition for everything these days so I will answer with a couple, try decency and honesty to start with.
Jul 09th, 2011 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well you know what dictators say,
Jul 09th, 2011 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you can print anything you want, as long as its not the truth.
but Argentina only tells the truth, [does she not]
mmmmm
I believe their debt repayment figures are related to inflation so you can undertsand why the government wants to suppress the true figures. Impossible to agree with her methods.
Jul 09th, 2011 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where's Martin Fierro? Doesn't he have some good reasons for defending this kind of insanity? This is a perfect example of why Argentina just won't be able to become a truly developed, first world country any time soon. I mean, it's going to take decades and decades. It's simply a different kind of corruption, in an incredibly corrupt part of the world.
Jul 09th, 2011 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Leftists are almost always totalitarians. The Argentine people deserve their fate. They allowed Peron to destroy one of the World's richest economies and continue to believe in Peronism to this day. My only concern that America under Obama and the Democrats is following the same route.
Jul 09th, 2011 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that I know much about Peronism, but it is not considered either left or right. It is among a motley of third-way economic systems that were popular from 1930-1980 along with Keynesianism, Fascism, Gaullism, the New Deal, etc. As for the record of left and right-wing parties in managing the economy, Argentina historysets a clear case against --- the right. Inflation during Kircherism has so far proven much less of an economc burden than the currency crisis suffered by the country under the free market policies of CM, which provoked a 20% unemployment rate in the country (against 7% now) and one of the largest eonomic contractions seen in the contemporary world.
Jul 10th, 2011 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0And when it comes to Latin America, it is also quite clear who - among the right and the left ideologies - has fostered the most totalitarian regimes. Hint: it is not the left.
Oh, and I almost forgot - Obama isn't to blame for the current US crisis. The crisis was created under a right-wing regime, that of Bush, by a so-called independent - ie, under market control - Central Bank. As for Obama, he has pretty much done what most economists would've thought correct - currency devaluation and spending. That the receipt has not worked as expected for the US doesn't mean the approach is incorrect. After all, it worked for the likes of China and Brazil. Obama's opponents, the Republican Party, have, on the other hand, no viable strategy to correct the current problems aside from slogans about free markets and small government. How much small government works in recession times, one can see in the weakness of the UK economy.
Jul 10th, 2011 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0For Forgetit,
Jul 10th, 2011 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I speak the truth not so much as I would, but as much as I dare, and I dare a little more as I grow older” Michel de Montaigne (1533-1592)
The assumed virtues over innocence of age and experience are neatly summed up by Blake in his poems of innocence and experience. Try 'A Poison Tree':
I was angry with my friend:
I told my wrath, my wrath did end.
I was angry with my foe:
I told it not, my wrath did grow.
And I watered it in fears
Night & morning with my tears;
And I sunned it with smiles,
And with soft deceitful wiles.
And it grew both day and night,
Till it bore an apple bright.
And my foe beheld it shine,
And he knew that it was mine,
And into my garden stole,
When the night had veiled the pole;
In the morning glad I see
My foe outstretched beneath the tree.
William Blake
Life can only be understood backward, but it must be lived forward. ~Soren Kierkegaard
this brutishs with their verses
Jul 10th, 2011 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0you need to read more latin america authors geoff to understand better this culture
Hi, Malen,
Jul 10th, 2011 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0about six months ago Think, Forgetit and I had a series of postings discussing the latin american authors, their strengths, motivations etc. and their contemporary relevance.
I think they read only fiction, however, because they had no knowledge of Os Sertoes, and without understanding the turn-of-the-century life of the back-lands it is hard to come to grips with the everyday realities of favela life and the way it spills throughout contemporary Brasilian (etc) culture.
For instance, I believed initially that there were thousands of quilombos across the country, full of descendants of escaped slaves - because that's what the News told me. Latterly, I understand that these have sprung-up 'like Topsy' in the last few years to take corrupt advantage of ethnico-social provisions for the disadvantaged (See also the Landless Peasant/People Movement).
Similarly with my readings of the Coronels in the North East; understanding their historic place in society allows me to understand why Sarney controls his State in absolute backwardness;
and why the logging frenzy of this moment continues without serious control by the States or the Republic.
All these perspectives have come from (my years and) the years spent reading the great latin american authors. I frequently drop into my postings allusions and phrases from these great ones, but they are rarely picked up by our friends. . . . great literature is great, the whole world over.
The respect for individual liberty that was the basis of the American Republic is missing in Argentina. Suppression of individual liberty is characteristic of Socialist governments. Over 100 million people have been killed by their Socialist governments. I am astounded that with all the corruption and strong arm tactics that CFK is still a viable candidate for re-election
Jul 10th, 2011 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0still think you dont understand this culture, you make comparisons most the time reminding how it is like in your “superior” culture, and latinamerica is other reality other region other history other idisincracia you will never understand through british eyes
Jul 10th, 2011 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we are desorganized yes inpuntuales yes we are very charming yes is it bad for you its your problem
@8
Jul 10th, 2011 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obama isn't to blame for the current US crisis. The crisis was created under a right-wing regime, that of Bush.......
BUT!!! in the first 2 years of his presidency he followed some of the GW's policies such us “Tax Cuts for the rich”, increased the number of troops in Afghanistan (actually, made sense), didn't close Guantano (like he promised during his campaign) .....
The unemployment is killing him right now, 9.2 %. Corporations are showing record profits but they are not hiring. Bottom line, he has to raise taxes to get out of this mess, cut Defense and fix Medicare and Social Security (the 3 big ones)
Obama is the black Bush. Much the same policies including expanding the government role in healthcare and even more military adventures than Bush. In the end it is all about the ever expanding power of the State and the diminution of individual liberty. By the way government revenues in the 4 years after the Bush tax cuts were higher than the preceding four years. You left wing kooks obsess about high taxes
Jul 10th, 2011 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Geoff
Jul 10th, 2011 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've never had any such discussion with you. And neither am I a big reader of fiction works, either Latin American or foreign.
@ Artillero
AFAIK, tax cuts for the rich was a demand by Republican representatives, who control the US lower house. As his conservative critics have pointed out, Obama is, or was, trying to spend his way out of recession. As such it's hard to believe he would, by his own choice, look to cut taxes for anyone in such a context, where the US government needs revenues to spend in investment, to say nothing of welfare expenditure for the poor and the unemployed, whose numbers have increased since the 2008 crisis. It's instead the Republicans who believe in the economic wonders of cutting taxes for the richest, a legacy of the Reagan era.
As for unemployment, you're right that it has not gotten better since Obama took office. But I do think he did what was necessary in face of his contextual and political limitations. QE2 precluded US market prices from deflating, which would have caused more household and corporate bankrupcies. It also devalued the currency, which helped exports. Exporting, by the way, seems to be the only safe route the US has to get out of the economic slump without increasing the national debt. That the US economy has not improved much only shows the degree to which it was dependent on the housing market.
(15) Jorge Ferreiro
Jul 10th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lucky we have Fox News, the GOP and authentic americans like you, “Mr. Jorge Ferreiro” to guard, preserve and secure our individual liberties against left wing kooks and latino-wetbacks like Artillero 601
Chuckle chuckle™
PS:
(11) Geoffward2
I've never had any such discussion with you either...........
Is that old ugly German gentleman visiting your head? (Herr Alzheimer)
Hahahaha :)
Jul 10th, 2011 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh well, it must have been Mr Alzeimer I was talking to.
Jul 10th, 2011 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could have sworn it was a couple of people with brain cells;
guess I must have remembered you two as 'strictly random events'.
May be Malen or some other S.A. literary person can recall our conversations (@ #11) and drag me from the pits of my alzeimic misery!
. . . Was it all a dream? Who killed JR?
Where am I? My God! I'm in the Med! . . . .
(19) GeoffWard2
Jul 10th, 2011 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You didn’t dream it, it was “Malen” you had that short “literary exchange” with..............Just Malen.
And.................. how “Very You” to quote two archaic proponents of the purest “White Christian Supremacism” as William Blake and Søren Kierkegaard.
They surely fit into your very own and personal “True Path to Righteousness” that, after your own statements, includes the disrespect for other people’s ways and the physical elimination of individuals and governments that dissent with the above mentioned “Path”
Ps:
Enjoy the Etna….
Killroy was there in 1983.
Rifugio Sapienza / South flank eruption.
Best lava flow you could dream on.
Yup, it has just erupted for me. Same place. House covered with ash.
Jul 10th, 2011 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And thanks for charting my path to 'true enlightenment' ;)
its iMpuntual untimely
Jul 10th, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes i had a literary discussion with Mr Geoff he recommended me some books some time ago
So freedom of expression is alive and well in Argentina..... I think not.
Jul 11th, 2011 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is regarded with distain like any other fundamental freedoms by the despotic power obsessed politicians. Don't let the good of the peple get in the way of a good dynasty (and a few million dollars of public money for retirement).
Not for us thanks, we will stick with what we have got.
I hope I'm not too late to add my grain of sand to this discussion. It's well known how education affects the welfare of a nation by means of corroding important values within that nation's culture. Nevertheless, corruption in Latin America is so evident on these days that one doesn't need to go around trying to understand a culture to realise what it is all about. Things are as they are presented by facts and saying someone “you need to understand the culture” sounds like a very sad alibi for such serious problems. Argentinean government is not different from those of CFK's best friends' ones , i.e Hugo Rafael's , Fidel Alejandro's and Juan Evo's, in which education is trampled every single day. Besides, one doesn't need to be a genius to find the correlation between Perón, “our leader” great statement: “yes to the alpargatas, no the the books” and the strategies followed by the Kirchners since 2003. The more ignorant the people is, the easier to keep them happy. The best thing is that you don't need to keep them happy all the time. Only shortly before and during the elections time. In the meanwhile (three years and eleven months) give them “free soccer for everyone” in national TV, milanesas at twelve pesos per kg and dancing with the stars (hard core porn version). Problem sorted. Who cares about the INDEC? Inflation? What inflation?
Jul 11th, 2011 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Martin Fierro is still there #5, giving advise to those that still want to listen and learn from his wise words. One hundred and thirty odd years since first released, and Argentina is still the same country than the one shown in Hernandez's book. Who ever has the chance, please try reading verses from 1012 through to 1037. One can find examples of them embedded in every single level of Argentina's today's society.
Good Morning !!! such a beautiful day in the Lone Star State (Texas), back to business:
Jul 11th, 2011 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15expanding the government role in healthcare ...... Mr Ferreiro, we have 40 million of americans without health insurance!! I work in Healthcare (24 years) so I know a thing or two about that if you care to debate me , go right ahead!
Raising taxes, how do we get out of the Economic Recession then? Unemployment is high, Corporations are not hiring nor investing, Medicare is not self sufficient and the baby boomers are taking out 3 times more than they put in the system, 9 billion a month in Iraq and Afghanistan and we are facing a 2nd wave of foreclosures ..... so in your opinion , aside from raising taxes (which BTW, that's what Reagan did) what do you suggest?
@17 :-)))))
Artillero
Jul 11th, 2011 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not sure shy the conversation went from lack of freedom in Argentina under the K's to US healthcare but the 50 million unisured figure in America is deceiving. About 15 million are people eligible for govt programs but whio did not sign up, about 15 million are illegals and about 15 million have the income to afford healthacre but do not wish to buy it. By the way after our glorious Obamacre takes effect the real uninsured figure will be very similar (i.e about 25 million) if the country is not completely bankrupt by then. Perhaps Obama can rebrand himself as the “black K” and seize power.
Jorge , I will stick to the 40 million uninsured (AMA data) forget about the illegals for a second (we need an Immigration reform , do we?) Don't tell that you agree with McCain ? (as to the fires made by illegal immigrants?) There are some things that the government has to take care of , Healthcare is one of them. How come nobody talks about controlling the insurance premiums?
Jul 11th, 2011 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#26: So Obama is black?
Jul 11th, 2011 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guessed he had as many white genes
but I think that for some people *any* 'black genes' makes you a 'negro'. . . .
that would make the majority of my friends black/negros - which would be a surprise to them!
Everybody knows that Obama Is a Foreign Black Muslim Communist…..
Jul 11th, 2011 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t you guys watch the (Fox) News?
Fox News? No, I don't.
Jul 11th, 2011 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All Americans watch Fox’s ”Fair and Balanced” News…..
Jul 11th, 2011 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And everybody knows that Obama is also a jewish homosexual chinese manchurian candidate …..
I am not sure why you left wing kooks start yelling “Fox News” everytime someone disagrees with you. It used to be “Halliburton” when baby Bush was around. I don't understand why it is the responsibility of govt to provide healthcare. Food is more important yet we have no govt farms or grocery stores (If we did we would starve like they did in the USSR)
Jul 11th, 2011 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stop drinking Think !
Jul 11th, 2011 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you celebrating Mauricio's triumph?
Obama is also an confirmed devil worshiping illuminati cannibal (like Hannibal)…..
Jul 11th, 2011 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle ™…….
This is fun……
I sound just like all those turnips telling the ”truth” about Cristina de Kirchner………..
The truth is in the original article, no need for anyone else to be telling it.
Jul 11th, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34
Jul 11th, 2011 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dime con quien andas y te dire quien eres ! :-))
Art, I hope people don't classify me by my friends, they would be way off beam!
Jul 11th, 2011 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you reach 'a certain age' your friends are just those who are lucky enough to have survived! We are a very mixed bag - many nationalities, many races, many mixtures, some good, some 'evil', but we can all slap meat on the barbie.
when you say barbie? are you referring to Chris, the Queen of the South Atlantic ?
Jul 11th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well the DNA results are negative. I wounder what are they going to do next?
Jul 11th, 2011 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GeoffWard
Jul 11th, 2011 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I am black then (negro) do I qualify for an affirmative action quota?
@32
Jul 11th, 2011 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Food is more important” .... and who gives food stamps when people are poor?
Collagen lips Christina should make it a crime to call her anything other than beautiful. There is no inflation, the hag is a beauty queen and left wing kooks are intelligent. The three undeniable untruths of life.
Jul 12th, 2011 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0North american left is one thing, South american left is another story all together ..... FYI
Jul 12th, 2011 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would have thought a consulting firm would be quite at ease justifying its figures in a court of law. They would have to be disproved by the accusers for the case to be won.
Jul 12th, 2011 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they were correct - and disproved - the court record, available to the world, would bring such embarassment to CFK that she would be laughed out of every country in the world. Patently this is too great a risk before the election, and is water under the bridge after the election. It is a 'filing of criminal charges' simply to keep them from further publishing close to the election.
Razor you are an absolute embecile,
Jul 14th, 2011 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corruption exists all over the world England has had its fair share of
scandals involving corruption and the limitation of free speech within its media networks. grow up donkey.
Think #20,
Jul 15th, 2011 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0your 'research' is unsound and drawn from US white supremicist blogs (why do you read such things!):
'Removing God from Christianity would lead to a worldly religion capable of enduring. Following the influences of Buddhism and William Blake, Altizer stressed the importance of the reconciliation of opposites' citing particularly black versus white.
Kierkegaard believed a radical, authentic Christian faith was the only true means for a fulfilling life - c.f. Nietzsche, who advocated the destruction of Christianity as it was 'life-negating'.
In any case my quotes @ #9 were just appropriate quotes, without any hidden or subliminal sub-text such as you ascribe.
You like being 'wicked', I think.
As usuall, the information is always partial, if the indec is not relible, all those so called private analists are including less reliable than the indec, they recognize that they dont have enough recources to create an index of prizes, they only can give an estimation, anyway i wont put my hands on the fire for the indec, what i wont belive neather in those analists, i only take as valid the reality, it's true that we have inflation, but it's not as hight as some speculators argue all the time, beside most workers have collective negotiations and get rases in their salaries, the inflation affects much more the middle class than the poor people, because those populations buy products that belong to marks of second hand, which dont have rases in their prizes, beside those people receive rases in their social help too, there is s a lot to do yet for our people, we are still a very unequal society, but no one can deny that we improved a lot.
Jul 15th, 2011 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, many economists in argentina always give the same recomendations that took the country to the disaster, and none of them argue about the oligopolic groups that we have in diferent sectors of our economy, which abuse of their dominant position and rase the prizes of the products, for all these reasons i say that information that you read is always partial, beside the inflation is a problem that will take many years to be solved, because it's also related with cultural aspects.
May be denouncing the analists was a wrong decition by secretary moreno, only the justice will have the last word.
(46) GeoffWard
Jul 15th, 2011 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are quite a translucent parapraxian.
Somehow, I have the funny idea that you are more than well versed in the works of Francis Bacon......................
I myself am still trying to grasp Wittgenstein……………..
Good for you, Think,
Jul 15th, 2011 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but be careful where you grasp young Wittgenstein ;-)
Re your assertion, I also cannot see the complete you.
My sons and I certainly favour pure praxians (Some would say, we have turned from the Dark Side).
My partner would concur with your para.
Re your idea, I grew up versed in Bacon without really knowing it! Baconian reasoning saw me through my years as a biologist, but later I really 'struggled' with Anthropogenic Climate Change as it required other methods of reasoning and the allowing for statistical uncertainties.
The many dimensions of the great polymath makes it hard to determine if I should be upset by your comment or flattered by it!
But thanks for the mental stimulation :)
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