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Hague announces UK will appeal EC decision on Gibraltar waters
Foreign Secretary William Hague said the Government has a clear responsibility to uphold the UK's position over the waters around Gibraltar and will be appealing a European Commission decision benefiting Spain. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAnd still Spain will be challenged when it attempts to enter waters that do no belong to it. The bouys have now been removed ... the Guardia get challenged ... Gibraltar is 99% independent. Spain can do nothing!
Jul 18th, 2011 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Excellent decision by the European Commission to benefit Spain, as it recognizes the principle of territorial integrity and sovereignty of Spain over Gibraltar that unfortunately ignores the UK. England is expected to respect the decisions of the European Commission and other multilateral agencies in the habit of not respecting.
Jul 18th, 2011 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will NOT respect it, as it interferes with our rights. It is not worthy of respect. The military on the Rock have instructions to protect the sovereignty of the Gibraltarians, and they will. Spain can do nothing!
Jul 18th, 2011 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul- Get a life! This is a largely technical problem that has occurred where 2 States,s boundaries actually share the same bay! Add in EEC Brussels beaurocrats and this one will probably still rumble on for another 3 or 4 years. It is not exactly an approval of any Spanish sovereignty!
Jul 18th, 2011 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”the European Commission had adopted the proposal by the Spanish Government to designate under the Habitats Directive a Site of Community Importance (SCI)“
Jul 18th, 2011 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 Rotted, ”We will NOT respect it”
And what are you going to do, bomb Madrid?
Take it to the ICJ Rott :-)))))))
Get Used to it :-)))))
I see what you have done there Marcos....you have used what we say to Argentines and used it on us! Very clever.
Jul 18th, 2011 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure if the ICJ were to rule on this subject, or even the Falklands so called 'dispute', it would find in favour of self-determination, as it did with Kosovo. And Kosovo was an actual part of a country, where territorial integrity is a stronger case, compared to an island that contains a population that is culturally, socially and polticaly different.
The ICJ?
Jul 18th, 2011 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Government of Gibraltar and the UK have offered on numerous occasions to take matters over Gibraltar to the ICJ. Funnily enough Spain is none too keen on that idea.
http://www.law.uoregon.edu/org/oril/docs/9-1/Leathley.pdf
“In the past, Britain has invited Spain to refer its territorial
claim over Gibraltar to the ICJ, but Spain has refused.
Consequently, the international community is left to speculate
on what Spain’s territorial claim consists of.”
Does that remind you of anyone?
Today in parliament
Jul 18th, 2011 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0conservative politicians and others are already pressuring the government to withdraw the UK from the European gravy train.
what these very stupid European dictators fail to realise, is that every time they try to impress the UK to their way, it just alienates us against them
and this with Gibraltar is another nail in the coffin.
Cameron has already asked a commission and layers to investigate how Britain can walk away from Europe. And the consequences of agreements, , but was told [according to newspapers]
Never was there an agreement that cannot be broken, and if we do not do something, then when the euro collapses, then they may well take us with them,
So the anti-Europeans are growing even in parliament, the choice is becoming more and more important , stay and sink.
Or withdraw the British from the European Union,
My vote will be fore withdrawal, just an opinion,
but without these corrupt europrats, Britain will grow stronger and wealthier, as for Spain and Argentina,
the word [lord haw haw springs to mind]
All mouth, and no trousers.
I knew Marcos would not be able to resist jumping in - and falling flat!
Jul 18th, 2011 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's OK, Redhoyt, it's OK. Breathe, breathe! There, feeling better already?
Jul 19th, 2011 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha
Jul 19th, 2011 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Tit ...... :-)
Jul 19th, 2011 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Jul 19th, 2011 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another “convenient little lie” of Mr. JustinKuntz at comment No. 7……
Not wonder they throw him out of Wikipedia….
He says:
”The Government of Gibraltar and the UK have offered on numerous occasions to take matters over Gibraltar to the ICJ. Funnily enough Spain is none too keen on that idea.”
I say:
Spain and Britain have both recognized the compulsory jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice.
Spain and Britain have both the right to bring each other before the Court by filing an application instituting proceedings with the Court ……
http://www3.icj-cij.org/jurisdiction/?p1=5&p2=1&p3=3&code=ES
http://www3.icj-cij.org/jurisdiction/?p1=5&p2=1&p3=3&code=ES
What a Turnip
Think - then what is it that is stopping Spain from going to the ICJ? They must have a reason for not going there. UK has no need to as UK HAS Sovereign control.
Jul 19th, 2011 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rotted, ”We will NOT respect it”
Jul 19th, 2011 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0who's we? You and your mummy? Geez, go fix your teeth, huh, blowhard. Gosh brits are so ugly.
What's with you and 'teeth'??
Jul 19th, 2011 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a bit weird.
Think - I suspect that the problem is the 1713 Treaty. Spain gave up the Rock. Signed and sealed, but with a right of first refusal should the UK wish to abandon. There's really not much to decide as it's already written down. Once again the only issue for the ICJ would be whether Gibraltar has the right of self-determination. Spain won't go because they don't like the question. As for the UK ... don't know. I think it would be good but I don't know the Gibraltarian's attitude and we've pretty well handed over everything to them now.
Of course Argentina would also oppose the question being put much as it opposed the Kosovo case. Whatever answer the ICJ came up with would also affect the Falkland Islands situation.
Interesting :-)
The European general court has said the UK must prove its sovereignty over the waters to the annulment of the Spanish LIC of “Estrecho Oriental”. How will you do? Because Gibraltar's jurisdiction is in dispute since the eighteenth century. The force is not a good criterion before a court, I think.
Jul 19th, 2011 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jul 19th, 2011 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=22280
Jul 19th, 2011 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are appealing,
But as the Spanish have no intention of altering their opinion,
Who knows what will happen next.
Perhaps they will close the gates for anotherv40 odd year’s lolo.
;-)
Jul 19th, 2011 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And on the same day !
“ ............. The Gibraltar Government has published draft legislation to set up the Borders & Coastguard agency announced by Chief Minister Peter Caruana during his budget speech a fortnight ago. The legislation envisages the creation of an agency overseen by a board consisting of the Chief Minister, the agency’s chief executive officer and any other persons appointed by the minister.
The duties of the agency as set out in the legislation include:
- To provide general maritime and seaborne incident and event response capability including but not limited to accident and pollution response;
- To conduct general patrols of Gibraltar’s territorial waters and its maritime and terrestrial borders;
- To monitor and enforce compliance with marine and coastal environmental protection laws and other environmental protection laws where the source or cause of the threat is seaborne;...”
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=22278
Think you really are a little scaredy cat aren't you.
Jul 19th, 2011 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To back up what I said I provided a quote from a paper written by an independent third party in a law journal, the truth and I really scare you don't they.
For anyone concerned, the truth is out there and it really frightens El Thicko, hiding behind his anonymous little pseudonym. I'm still waiting for this proof he promised of the so-called expulsion of the Vernet settlement that never actually happened.
Just out of curiosity, why did the UK leave Hong Kong so easily? even though the lease was complete.
Jul 19th, 2011 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(hint let's remember Singapore 1941)
Being an American with a British heritage....sometimes I wonder if all these territorial disputes (Gibraltar, Falklands...etc) do they really make sense for the UK government? Totally independent Falklands and Gibraltar would make more sense, that's my 2 cents anyway!
Cheers
let's remember Singapore 1941
Jul 19th, 2011 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, and China has a bigger Army than the North Vietnamese Army (NVA)
Lets not forget Vietnam 1975
Britain handed HK back for a number of reasons.
Jul 19th, 2011 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Britain had been disengaging from Empire for some time, it didn't wish to hold onto the territory anymore.
2. The lease had expired.
3. The territories that were British were not viable on their own.
4. The people were mainly indigenous Chinese.
5. China did not wish to extend the lease.
6. Militarily it was untenable, though whether this was a factor is debatable. The British were prepared to return the territory to China and were looking for a diplomatic solution. Neither side needed a military confrontation.
As for an independent Gibraltar/Falklands. All possible, the British Government policy has been to maximise the degree of self-government in all BOT. In the case of Gibraltar, the British consider themselves bound by Utrecht, although legal opinion tends to fall down on the side of the Government of Gibraltar position that independence is possible.
7.China was going to kick Britain's rear end if they didn't leave their land, so Britain left with their tale between their legs and forgot about the self determination that so much they talk about when they feel like it.
Jul 20th, 2011 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain left with their tale between their legs
Jul 20th, 2011 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Without its smilitary being humiliated, Like Argentina
I was in Hong Kong during the time of handback (British Council), and during the period preceding.
Jul 20th, 2011 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was orderly, honourable and followed the due process that the legal agreements set up. The process was well advanced by the time the document was finally signed, so the transition and people movements were 'on rails' - as befits the best British Civil Service traditions.
HMS Britainia, Prince Charles and Lady Di were part of the process of disengagement and added spectacle to the affair (We shook hands, and bowed or curtsied, according to our taste).
The Embassy gin slings were double strength, I seem to remember. . . or do I?
So much changes . . . and then you retire.
We know how to give up what’s not ours after the date of any agreement.
Jul 20th, 2011 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s just a pity that argentine can’t give up a false claim, that is and was never hers to claim,
But with two extra lollipops on her side, and fighting her corner,
then just like with the other support from south America , Argentina just sits back and lets other brain washed nations do her dirty work for her,
Very clever...
22 atk357
As your president seems to give the impression of supporting argentine about overseas territories,
Does the United States have any overseas territory?
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