MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
US Congress de-lists Argentina from regional ‘democratic leaderships’
For the second time in less than a month the United States Congress has sent a strong message to Argentina warning it “does not belong” to the group of countries that abides by international law and strongly promotes democratic values. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe nation is burning and this clown is busy with spending money (what we here in the US don't have at all) promoting “democratic values”...give me a break..geez.
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would hope that this gives a strong signal to CFK that she must change her methods if she wants to promote true democracy and leadership.
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK doesn't give a rat ass about this nobody..come on.
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0”The sponsor of the statement is Florida Republican Representative Connie Mack who is president of the strategic Committee for the Western Hemisphere (Latin America) and who is very critical of countries such as Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, Bolivia and Ecuador that have ‘no interest’ in promoting democratic and freedom values such as those that characterize US ‘friendly countries’.”
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Boo hoo. So the US makes lists on whom it considers its friends and whom it does not? I've never head of a more girlie government policy. Ever.
CFK cares about herself, typical socialist. She cares about the poor a few weeks before an election and then casts them aside when all is done.
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sounds like patty obozo and bush, though one claimed to be a “compasionate conservative”. socialist or conservative, politicians only care about them self.
CFK will care when the money is withheld.
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0But there is a serious issue here. A free press is a cornerstone of a free society. You might not like what is being written in some newspapers, or shown on some news programmes, but you have the power to not read it or change channels. When a government starts imposing restrictions on the press because they don't like what is being written is the start of the slippery slope.
The idea that the press actually influences people's political persuasion is a false one. They chase readership and pander to their reader's views. In other words, they write what their readers want to read.
As for the comment that alienating Argentina will drive it into the arms of Chavez, well, it is too late. Chavez already owns Argentina.
Democracy ? !! what is it ?
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0i looked around a country who has nominees defined by me ..but
unfortunately i haven't found it in the world ...!
“ ... Argentina ... “does not belong” to the group of countries that abides by international law and strongly promotes democratic values ....”
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0We've been saying that for a long time ! The UN Charter is a multi-lateral Treaty and is International Law. The UK abides by its sections, Argentina does not!
this man may be unknown, but perhaps argentina should note,
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0obama their friend who went against the brits, will be in office for much longer, then we may see the real america with a better leader, who is not so custy with the argies, then the table will be turned,
argentina still has much to learn, criminals always get there comeupence sooner or later .
And not a single fuck was given that day.
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And on a lighter note.
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pass the torch please .
As I have said there will be payback for the Military Jet cargo being detained this is just the beginning. Argentina will be dropped from the G20 and is on the path to be sanctioned by WB and IDB.
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USA and Int'l community in general is sick of CFK and her minions erratic and childish behavior. No one needs Argentina for anything, everything they supply can be bought from another source. Brazil is the dominant force in SA with Chile, Peru and Colombia bringing up the rear. Argentina is a non-entity and will be sidelined like Bolivia, Venezuela and Ecuador just give it a little more time things move slow in bureaucratic land.
Maybe things might move faster in Argentina if CFK gets a big surprise in the October elections.
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“CFK will care when the money is withheld”
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh please, Argentina isn't some small Sub-Saharan African country. It's a middle income country with over 40 million people. I guess there won't be mass household bankrupcies if the Americans withhold 96 million dollars per year - the equivalent to 0.6 cents per day for each Argentine citizen.* The only reason Argentina should be paying attention to this attitude of the US Congress is because of its political, not economic, implications.
Plus, I'd like to hear how's Argentina violating international law. Is it building settlements in another people's illegally occupied land, as does the country whose PM this same US Congress applauded non-stop during his recent visit to the US Lower House? is it waging a war in Libya that oversteps the UN mandate? (BTW, it should be noticed that by refusing to withdraw from Libya or ask permission from Congress to keep US forces in that coutry, Obama is violatig the US's own war legislation.) And how's Argentina not contributing to spreading democratic values, whatever that is supposed to mean? Is it promoting coups d'état against democratically elected leaders? No, it has never done that (we know which country has). And neither dos Argentina - unlike Brazil or Turkey - associate with authoritarian regimes whom the US considers its nemeses.
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* That kind of rminds me of USAID. That agency sends some millions of dollars to China per year - all the while the US Treasury owes that country ove a trillion dollars. Such is the paradoxical power of US capital nowadays.
On Argentina's press legislation - which that US Senator criticized as Mercopress uncritically reports - this is what the UN has said about it:
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“United Nations Special Rapporteur for Freedom of Opinion and
Expression Frank La Rue said the new law set 'an example for other
countries' by guaranteeing access to the media by all segments of
society. The new law represents 'a stride forward in Latin America
against the increasing concentration of media ownership,' he said.”
(Regulation of media ownership is something that exists in most Western countries - even in the UK, if I'm not mistaken. And if there isn't anything on this matter in the UK constitution, certainly this issue will be put in the forefront of public discurse in the fallout of the recent scandal involving that Murdoch's newspaper and his attempt to purchase a British news channel.)
Now, this is what th UN had to say about the US's own heavy-handed approach to freedom of expression:
“In December 2010 United Nations Special Rapporteur for Freedom of Opinion and Expression Frank LaRue stated he agreed with the idea that Julian Assange was a 'martyr for free speech.' LaRue went on to say Assange or other WikiLeaks staff should not face legal accountability for any information they disseminated, noting that, 'if there is a responsibility by leaking information it is of, exclusively of the person that made the leak and not of the media that publish it. And this is the way that transparency works and that corruption has been confronted in many cases.'”
[] -- Forget 86/87
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see you in some distressed !
for all i understand you are very curious on Turkey's
last chicane operations ?!
did you like this kind of operation style !?
Yes, geo, I do get distressed when I see such blatant hypocrisy as that of those US Congressmen and Senators.
Jul 23rd, 2011 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for your questions, I don't understand them.
The UK does not have a written Constitution.
Jul 24th, 2011 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is certainly in breach of Article 74 of the United Nations Charter which is a multi-lateral Treay and enforceable in international law.
Hypocrisy and politics seems to go hand in hand !
ElaineB (#7)
Jul 24th, 2011 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0“CFK will care when the money is withheld.”
Which money? USA money? IMF money? Money owing on international trade?
I don’t think CFK will care much at all; her bubble is pretty watertight. The ones who will care will be the ordinary people who will find it, once more, harder to survive. Who will they blame? Not CFK, because she is portrayed as a saviour from ‘something worse’; no, the blame will be deftly transferred to the USA.
Those that read Argentina’s free press may have a better, more globalised understanding of causes and effects, of cover-up and culpability; but how many in the general population focus on the free press? And, if the freedom of the press to comment on Government performance is curtailed, what hope has the man in the street to gain insight into Argentina’s performance and its place in the world?
“Alienating Argentina will drive it into the arms of Chavez; Chavez already owns Argentina.”
Whilst this may be true in straight financial/debt terms, it also includes trade deals with Ve/Cu/Bo/Ec/etc which may not be in Argentina’s best financial interests, as all these are ‘the S.A. nations most likely to default/re-write the deals/etc’.
The greater threat, imo, comes from the serial selling-up of Argentina’s land and assets to nations with the money to pay and the need to control the resources. The Argentinan big players are obviously the USA and China. In today’s highly efficient resource-stripping environment we can see nations around the world being sucked dry and left for dead. Why should Argentina be placed and left in this position? With significantly better government thing could be so different.
free press?? y daleeeeeeeeee con el free press
Jul 24th, 2011 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the president havent close any newspaper or radio like chavez did, she only indicates i dont like this newspaper or that radio. she is entitled to do so. does the newspapers or radios of uk show what is happenning everyday in the wars they participate? i rememberin usa when they invade afghanistan they didnt show more than 1 or 2 minutes, then the government forbidden more images of war. here there are lot of media against the government and says freely all they want.
and we live in democracy no matter what others say, two elections we are going to have, primarias y generales in agost and october for presidential and provincial system. here there is not fraude.
and our president is intelligent and passionate, perhaps this bothers some people with a different way of being or thinking.
@19 Surely Argentina is also in breach of Articles 56 and 74?
Jul 24th, 2011 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And, on the level of part of the comment at #15, I seem to recall that there is an archipelago off the eastern seaboard of South America for which a certain island nation in the North Atlantic is the UN-recognised Trustee. Doesn't seem to jibe well with ill-informed comments about “other people's land”. There is also a problem with the comment “waging a war in Libya that oversteps the UN mandate”. Of course the writer may have some problems with Security Council resolution 1973 since, as I understand it, it was framed in English. After all, a certain country didn't seem to understand Security Council resolution 502 either.
@20. Fair comments.
Jul 24th, 2011 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 21. Of course CFK is entitled to disagree with the press. But is it right for her to send in her union mobs to picket and prevent the distribution of a paper that she disagrees with? That is a government directly suppressing the free press.
www.english.pravda.ru/history/23-07-2011/118576-NATO_in_troulbe-0/
Jul 24th, 2011 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nato operates impulsively, has shown a lack of strategic sense and miltary weakness.....shows the decline of those who still see themselves as masters of the world. Brazil calling for ceasefire shows an example of openess and courage.
And ”investing in a National Transitional Council composed of unreliable terrorists insurgents, they (europe) began to feed them with money and weapons.
The conflict has already cost 15,000 dead and 1.000.000 people fleeing. The european humanitarian destroys the infraestructure of Libya.....etc
you dont help anybody...you feed this kind of situations you are making a commerce of arms and selling them over there and then you come to “stabilize that region” you are so hipocrit
Pravda online is hardly a credible newsource fyi
Jul 24th, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes jeff?? hmmmmmmmmmm
Jul 24th, 2011 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-how-britain-is-selling-weapons-to-the-most-unstable-places-on-earth-648992.html
search in google also uk selling arms to libya there are lots of links
“shipping arms to around 130 countries may be good for britain arms companies financially, but its a nightmare for the rest of us ethically, as WE TRY TO CREATE AN IMAGE OF BEING A FORCE FOR GOOD”
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Jul 24th, 2011 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please talk about that island. I didn't know Argentina is building settlements in someone else's island. How did Argentina manage to dodge the impenetrable nuclear-surveillance of the British superpower? As for resolution 173, it only calls for the protection of civilians against alleged aggression by the Qadaffi government. The US and Europe are going far beyond that by actively trying to remove Qadaffi from power, as proven by their bombing of one of Qadaffi's houses, which resulted in the deaths of his son and three of his small grandchildren. So yes, those countries are overstepping the UNSC resolution, and if you didn't know that, then I think I can assume it is you who have a problem with the paper's language.
http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/20-07-2011/118540-balkans_massacre-0/
Jul 24th, 2011 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and jeff what happens you dont like the independent source either??
Jul 24th, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you dont sell arms to unstable regions to then invade them with nato consentiment?? you kill for peace but peace never comes......
i feel sorry for the many souls are being killed in that poors regions, as they are poor invisible for your press for your country people you can feel less guilty, but its an atrocity what is happenning.
and i think you have a doble moral speech
@27 I don't have a problem with language. At least not real language.
Jul 25th, 2011 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I pointed out, there is an archipelago off the eastern seaboard of South America. It has names like Falkland Islands, South Georgia, South Sandwich Isalnds. Bitain arrived there in 1690. Long before a little pipsqueak rebel Spanish colony that decided to call itself United Provinces was even thought of, never mind existed. But Britain, that island nation in the North Atlantic, is the UN-recognised Trustee for that archipelago and the nation that is being built there by the legal owners. Have fun reading Articles 56 and 74 of the UN Charter. You might also like to read Security Council resolution 502 and explain how Argentina complied with it.
On the subject of Libya, why would Britain want to comply with the provisions of Security Council resolution 1973? And that's 1973, not 173. After all, Britain is only one of the member states of the UN that drafted the resolution. Britain is only a permanent member of the Security Council. And Britain would only be following the example of Argentina.
Of course, there is the FACT that resolution 1973 mandates “all necessary measures”. There is the FACT that Gaddafi's “house” was set up as a command and control post and was therefore a valid target. There is the FACT that Gaddafi has previously claimed a close relative killed, in 1986 I believe, and that turned out to be a propaganda lie. Then there's the FACT that Gaddafi boasted of providing the materials for terrorist bomb attacks in Britain, admitted responsibility for the murder of policewoman Yvonne Fletcher, the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 and the bombing of the La Belle nightclub in Berlin. Hardly appropriate to whinge when he gets a taste of his own medecine.
Besides, a country clearly guilty of genocide, mass murder, harbouring of war criminals and unprovoked aggression is hardly one to point a finger. You should be offering Gaddafi refuge. Your country has form for it!
yes i see your point
Jul 25th, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you want to validate your aggression and mass killing because you supposedly think you are a leader of peace, you are a nation of human rights and in name of them you can kill without guilty. to protect others the only thing you do is killing more, and you are doing a lot of business with wars, a lot of money to your own benefit. you feed this insurgents you sell arms to them you generate more unstable their situation only to invade them in the name of nato.
i dont buy your double moral speech. thank you. i pass.
your humanitarian way of understanding human rights is not valid for me.
let every country build their own way of resolve their conflicts. you dont resolve them with more wars.
the sellers of arms and the buyers of arms mutually engage in an obscene, corrupt and violent trade.
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Jul 25th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you familiar with the “Fast and Furious” program?
@Conman
Jul 26th, 2011 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK-owned islands have no relevance whatsoever to our discussion and are in no way comparable to the Israeli-Arab issue. Only in a self-indulgent flight of imagination and weeping self-pity could one compare those two very distincts disputes.
I see that you're no longer contesting that the UK has overstepped the UN mandate. Now you're changing your excuse to saying that the UK isn't forced to comply with it, since the UK didn't draft the resolution. Even if that was the truth, that isn't a reason for the UK to ignore the it. Can you imagine how chaotic the international arena would be if every country decided to dismiss a piece of legislation because it didn't help draft it? Can you imagine how it'd be if citizens did to their countries' laws?
Resolution 173 was adopted under Chapter VII of the UN charter. This means it is binding on all UN members, including SC permanent members, let alone those who, like the UK, voted to have it PASSED - yes, the UK voted to have the resolution passed. Not only that, but also, according to BBC, the UK was one of its sponsors along with France and Lebanon. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12781009
And BTW, Gadaffi's actions in 1986 are of no relevance to this discussion, so drop the emotionalist appeal. It was the UK that, under Tony Blair, sponsored the re-integration of Gadaffi and Libya into the international community. Moreover, according to you Germany has also been attacked by him - but it isn't supporting Libyan war. So I can't see how your grudge that G. is relevant to people over the world.
Your nonsensical and mendacious presentation of this issue seems to indicate you're an ultra-nationalist willing to spin facts to save your country from deserved criticism: as I said, you give evidence of hurt nationalistic feelings and self-pity.You should know that your victimhood complex is not a fair or even viable base for your country to act on in its international dealings.
* grudge against
Jul 26th, 2011 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0artillero what is that a tv programe?
Jul 26th, 2011 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0buyers and sellers of arms are mutually engaged ina obscene corrupt and violent trade is a phrase of a buddhis monk living in england, not mía.
he also says: as the major suppliers, the MEMBERS OF THE UN are as GUILTY OF HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE AS MUCH AS THE DICTATORS that they collude with arms sales.
hhtp://christophertitmuss.org/blog/p=665
i dont have too much luck with links hope it function
@35 No!! is about the transfer of arms to Mexico (narcos) and now to Central America by the DEA .....
Jul 26th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you see artillero
Jul 26th, 2011 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they like to play the role of carmelitas descalzas...world powers countries are the goods and the others are the bads ayyyyyy
y después nos quieren enseñar derechos humanossssss libertad individuallllll con millones de cadáveres en el placard
i like this budhist monk (new words for me) im not budhist
you can search “arms leaders are like drug leaders...” march of 2011 in his blog christopher titmuss. org see the money billions and billions in selling arms
and the funny thing that nobody knew , Obama didn't know, Calderon didn't know ... what a joke !
Jul 26th, 2011 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”35 No!! is about the transfer of arms to Mexico (narcos) and now to Central America by the DEA .....“
Jul 26th, 2011 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the ATF, they admitted that it happened but spin the story that it was part of ”war on drugs”.
killing is always a crime in name of God, of peace, of hate, of whatever
Jul 26th, 2011 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the buddhist monk is trying to make a ministry of peace in UK ja
they are going to loose their money and their power, they wont let you!!
www.ministryforpeace.org/articles/45-christopher-titmuss-a-proposal-from-christopher-titmuss-ministry-for-peace-and-renconciliation
malen forgetit86, comrades dont worry one day our heroes will win and silence all these descentors that place our kind in these little filthy lists that are meanlingless. Just like theyre doing to poor argentina, Hugo, Muammar, Fidel, Slobodan Živojinović. When we all know the filthy empirialist are to blame for everything!!
Jul 27th, 2011 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0go to afghanistan and help your “heroes”
Jul 27th, 2011 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0you are building a more insecure world for you and your descendants, not a better one
you dont win wars thats not business you kill a dictator sell arms to another then the poor countries are looking for revenge and the wheel goes on.......you are always in war. why dont you stop selling arms??
your media supports your built wars
www.frontline.in/20110812281601500.htm
you never can find massive destructive arms, nuclear bombs in the countries you invade thats the excuse to begin
i feel sorry for countries that doesnt know to build power and money in other ways
i dont buy your double moral speech you are worst than all you mentions (a zivonitivoc never heard of him )
im with the real victims
i support your monk interesting his ministery should be one in every country
“The UK does not have a written Constitution”
Jul 29th, 2011 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Red. The UK does have a written constitution. It's just not in a single document...
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