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Falklands/Malvinas conflict: To honour the dead, not use them
Argentine Veterans of the 1982 conflict want the bodies of the 123 “unknowns” at Darwin cemetery to be identified. Read full article
Argentine Veterans of the 1982 conflict want the bodies of the 123 “unknowns” at Darwin cemetery to be identified. Read full article
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Aug 05th, 2011 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines want to identify their dead? That's fine. Exhume them and ship them back to Argentina. Then the Argentines can examine them forensically to their hearts content.
Accept Argentine “scientists” into the Falkland Islands to spend months or years? Don't bother.
To be honest, if the Argentines don't want the remains back, they don't mean that much to them. Dig 'em up, put them in suitable containers, load them on a Falklands-flagged vessel and head for B.A. If the Argies won't accept the docking of the vessel and the repatriation of their war dead, toss 'em overboard. In Argentine waters.
This is all part of the Argentine plan. One of the Argentine feckwits has already said they are in Argentine soil. Is there any Argentine soil on the Falklands?
i don't guess the UK will allow to their DNA tests !
Aug 05th, 2011 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the islanders would geo if it was done by an independant team, and Conqueror that's just disrespectful to the dead, the men were only doing there jobs.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As i may well agree with you,
Aug 05th, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0alas if the argentina goverment insist that they are buried on argentina land,
then from this point of view , the bodies should be reurned to their loved ones on the mainland, this would stop any further inducement from their goverment,
we all know the argentine goverment does not care about them,
but at the same time it is insulting to the dead, for them to get away with it, and using them as pawns,,,
as for sending experts, this if any, should only be done through the UN,
under falklands supervision ,
other wise, the argentina goverment no matter how dispicable would somehow try to use this , what if goverment officials arrived, then refused to move, ,, we would never insult the dead, we have to much respect for that, but the argentine goverment ?? anything can happen.
just a thought .
i don't guess the UK will allow to their DNA tests !
Aug 05th, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps they all would be empty graves !
British are so polite and respectful, their stiff upper lip, they will allow us to send our Military Police and advance party to set up a base in order to ID soldiers.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islanders will have no say as they are colonial population. They must shut up and do as they are told!
As a Falkland Islander I believe that the identification of the Argentine soldiers remains is long overdue, If the Family’s of soldiers who died in the Falklands want there remains sent back to the Argentine, then it's up to the Argentine government to respect there wishes, If they wish for there remains is to have them reburied in the Falklands after identification, then it's up to the Falkland Islanders to respect there wishes also.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do I think that a team from the Argentine are the right people to do the identifications, and any subsequent investigation into how they died, then the answer is No.
Nor would a British team be right to undertake this task.
This must be done by a Independent team free from any government interference.
As a Falkland Islander I don't believe the Islands are anything what soever to do with the Argentine, But as a father I do believe the family’s of the fallen soldiers have the right to know were there loved ones are buried and are able to pay there respects.
No soldier deserves to Be Known Only Unto God
Filippo- get a bit of reality into you life- REALITY- is that NOTHING can happen to those graves without the approval of the Islands Govt - that is a fact and reality - accept it.If you dont believe it - phone the Brit Embassy in Buenis Aires and ask them who would have to give approval?
Aug 05th, 2011 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also read the words of 7 above and get the reality that we are actually a reasonable decent people who respect the war dead of both sides.
@3 well said !!
Aug 05th, 2011 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FI gvt and the majority of the islanders would show a great deal of hospitality to Argentine visitors, as they have done for many families and Argentine ex-servicemen visiting the cemeteries and battle fields. The problem is that the Argentine government politicizes everything to do with the Islands and it is unfortunately potential Argentine visitors who now would have to face the effects of any burnt bridges.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timmerman tried to claim that the UK is stopping Argentines from visiting the Islands. The truth is that it is Argentine gvt policy to make it difficult for Argentines to get to the Islands. This honourable attempt to put a plan in place to put names on graves will no doubt now become another political artifact used by the Argentine gvt to show how the rest of the world is at fault for Argentine woes!
Shameful and disrespectful but accepted by much of the Argentine populace.
Will Cristina's government make as much out of this as it can?
Aug 06th, 2011 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yes! No doubt about it!
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/
To SeAled PR
Aug 06th, 2011 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Att: Mr. Neil Russell
Everytime yoy wear a “Red Poppy”(as I know you do) you are “Using the dead, not Honouring them”.
What about wearing a ”White Poppy” next time?
PS:
Has “Young Natural Face” Lisa Watson already stopped at SeAled?
@ukkelper,
Aug 06th, 2011 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct. Keep the Argentine government out of this. l don't trust them not to capitalise on it. Respect the dead.
Blessed by Fire is a moving story of the Falklands war as seen by a Argentine soldiers who was there. It gives a insight into what it was like to be there at the time. If you are Islander British or Argentine it is well worth watching. Also worth watching is A Soldiers Story as seen by a British soldier who was there.
Aug 06th, 2011 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p7EoLZwggA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p7EoLZwggA&feature=related
Lest we Forget
UK never allows the dig up & tests !
Aug 06th, 2011 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0becouse
the graves are empty !
well the question will be then
Aug 06th, 2011 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0will they-or wont they ?
These boys gave the ultimate sacrifice and should be honored and respected by Argentine and British alike.
Aug 06th, 2011 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fjviera
Aug 06th, 2011 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are so right,
but unfortunately there are some on here who have no-idea what it's like in the real world, they still act like little kids in the school playground, they come on here with only one intention and that is to try an inflame any situation, no-mater how low they need to sink to do this.
@18. I agree there are posters that act like little children jumping up and down demanding attention. Best to ignore them.
Aug 06th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I certainly hope this can be resolved so the relatives can find some peace.
9 Artillero601: Have you read about the christmas truces in ww1? Quite remarkable i think. Just shows that troops respect eachother even when on opposing sides, it's not there fault for what the government chose to do. They all deserve respect for fighting for there country.
Aug 06th, 2011 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 zethe
Aug 06th, 2011 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's nothing disrespectful to the dead. By this time I doubt if there is anything left except bones. Have you noticed that the US and the UK brings its war dead home?
This is a ploy and nothing more. At the end of the war, Britain offered to repatriate all the Argentine war dead. Argentina refused. Why? In 1982 Argentina was still engaged in its Dirty War. It was already responsible for the 'disappearance' of up to 30,000 of its own citizens. Was it going to care about a couple of hundred conscript cannon fodder when it probably planned on claiming that they were buried in Argenine soil. And, lo and behold!, we have good ole Marcos Alejandro at http://en.mercopress.com/2011/08/04/malvinas-veterans-ask-for-anthropologists-to-identify-argentine-soldiers-buried-at-darwin-cemetery claiming they are buried in Argentine soil!
Let's be sensible. If they are respectfully exhumed (the only way the British deal with war dead), properly packed and shipped to Argentina, where's the problem? They aren't buried in Argentine soil, they are buried in Falklands soil. If the remains are shipped backed to Argentina, the Argentines can do their DNA testing to their hearts' content. Then they can really bury them in Argentine soil.
British troops went down to the South Atlantic to prove there was no Argentine soil on the Falkland Islands. A lot were injured and wounded. Some died.
And the benefits? Well, there won't be any little piece of the Falkland Islands that will forever be Argentina. There won't be any Argentine “forensic experts” swanning round the Islands and “accidentally” checking out the disposition of British forces, the Argentine relatives won't have to make that nasty journey over the water, and back.
Britain's armed forces went down to the South Atlantic to recover and protect the rights of the Islanders. Now have some consideration for the small garrison that is still down there!
“Have you noticed that the US and the UK brings its war dead home?”
Aug 06th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, no we don't always. We have thousands of wargrave memotials scattered around europe from the world wars as does the US.
And yes, you are disrespecting the brave Argentinian troops who put there lives on the line for there country(as much as i disagree with there reasoning).
“the Islands and “accidentally” checking out the disposition of British forces”
Paranoid much? Why would they need to check, the UK government has clearly stated what and who is on the islands.
Just to add: We have wargraves in Africa, Belgium, France, Holland, Italy, Malta, Turkey, Iran, Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Hong Kong, ect. 2,500 war cemeteries worldwide.
Aug 06th, 2011 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#(23)
Aug 06th, 2011 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot Irak,Afganistan ?
Lots of British war dead buried in Iraq:
Aug 06th, 2011 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=2090521&mode=1
http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=2090521&mode=1
http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=2090521&mode=1
http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=2090521&mode=1
http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=2090521&mode=1
http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=2090521&mode=1
http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=2090521&mode=1
http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=2090521&mode=1
and even in Afghanistan
http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=2090521&mode=1
ed: I didn't forget. I was just giving examples.
Aug 06th, 2011 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are British war graves in the Argentine, one of the graves simply says, An unknown private marine H.M.S Swift 13th march 1770.
Aug 06th, 2011 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.maritimequest.com/misc_pages/monuments_memorials/british_cemetery_page_1.htm
@20
Aug 06th, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I did, very interesting .. don't forget that at the end of the day, we are human beings sent on missions that we may agree with it or not.
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Aug 07th, 2011 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting !
Aug 08th, 2011 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0” ...We met an Argentine citizen who was thrilled to be able to tour the Falklands, as they are generally inadmissible due to the war in the 1980s. As a crew member on a ship, he was allowed into Port Stanley. We asked him what the Argentine version of the story was; to our surprise he said: “Sometimes, really bad leaders make their way into powerful positions, just like your George Shrub did. A terribly crazy regime took over the country, and they were committing disgusting acts, like pushing nuns out of helicopters. Some [words censored] decided to invade the Falklands to fight an imaginary enemy that would take our minds off the economic misery in Argentina. It cost hundreds of senseless deaths, and our government went into financial default for failing to focus on what was really important. Now, commoners have to pay for crazy leaders’ mistakes.”
http://www.eturbonews.com/24471/falklands-nature-s-best-kept-secret
I have a few questions: Why did Argentina wait until now to id the remains? Could they have done it before burrying them? Is this a political move?
Aug 08th, 2011 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British did not have issues with repatriation of their fallen soldiers...
The argentina government is like watching over a child...no one knows what to expect next....
had something removed,
Aug 08th, 2011 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how nice, makes you feel like one of the lads,
mind you i cant even remember what it was,
must getting old,mmm
“Yes I did, very interesting .. don't forget that at the end of the day, we are human beings sent on missions that we may agree with it or not”
Aug 08th, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree 100%.
ZETHE. J. A. ROBERT. REDHOYT. and others.
Aug 11th, 2011 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I already finished my investigation, if you want to read it, then write me to my i mail adress and i will send it to you. I said in planty of oportunities that i was going to going to publish it in internet, but i decided that i wont, because when i registered my survey, at the national direction of authors, i was told that i should ask the authors of the bibliographies that i used, to know if they want or not me to date them, anyway i was told too in that institution that it's hightly probable that nothing happens finally, but it's not totaly sure, that 's why i chose not to publish it.
Write me to investigationmalvinas@hotmail.com.ar
Didn't think it would happen, to be honest. But i will read it and give you my feedback.
Aug 12th, 2011 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel,
Aug 12th, 2011 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Post your investigation here
http://www.scribd.com/
so anyone can read it.
DAB14763.
Aug 13th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont know what link is that, anyway i already said why i decided that i wot publish it in internet, my i mail adress is the only one way that i can offer to all of you, there is nothing else i can do, if finishing my investigation took me more than one year, is because i had a lot to investigate and translate.
Respecting this article, i respect the opinion of Neil Russel, but i dont agree on it in absolut, i think it's unfair and hipocrite to say that the government is going to use this issue, because it doesn't care about the malvinas cause since 5 minutes ago, the government has cared about this dispute since it took office in 2003, beside none other argentine government since 1983 made as much as this one to improve the situation of the compatriots who fought in 1982.
Per haps Russel's opinion is based on the partial knowledge that maybe he has about our country, some times it's necesary to be more objetive.
On the other hand, in this country, the oponent politicians have always called oportunists to the kirchner for all the decitions that they took since 2003, that's why i say that it's necesary to be more objetive, beyond if we like or not this government, in my case i support many of cristina's policies, but there are some aspects of her government that i really dont like, and i have always said it.
Axel,
Aug 13th, 2011 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you even looked at the link?
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