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“Demanding Falklands’ sovereignty talks before anything else, states Argentina’ current default position”
In an interview with the Buenos Aires Herald, Argentine Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli demands that Falklands’ sovereignty talks must be started before any other issues can be discussed. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesthe Mercopress' s archive is full of Malvinas/Falkland articles..
Aug 09th, 2011 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0abruptly i remembered one of them..
also comment # 203 was interesting for me !
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/03/31/argentina-promotes-world-wide-malvinas-discussion-under-the-logo-of-it-takes-two-to-tango
if the links can not works.you can find it from the archive !
Ah so this guy was given a pointless job by a political foe to keep him out of the way. Sounds like Argentine defense minister is a career killer!
Aug 09th, 2011 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is yet another Argentine politician who can be dismissed as a words and no actions kind of character!
[]- 2 Beef
Aug 09th, 2011 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you must wait of El Think's best personifications
or his ...so many more ones to chat !
Like I said before, a Defense Minister with no Armed Forces, what is he gonna talk about?
Aug 09th, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Beef!!! Can you answer my freaking question on the US Treasury Bonds please??? :-))
@2 You did !! My bad !!
Aug 09th, 2011 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] - 4 artio
Aug 09th, 2011 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0do you remember ,i had asked a question but haven't answered yet !
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http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/05/falklands-sea-lion-well-latest-oil-appraisals-sends-rockhopper-shares-soaring
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if the link can't work,you can find this article from archive easily
i wait for your reply ! no hurry up !
Artillero - I sent a response on the other story. Know that I know you want US treasury bonds. The fact that interest rates are now going to remain low then bonds may be the best way to get a decent return on cash type investments.
Aug 09th, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would suggest looking for index linked bonds if you are looking to hold for a longish term for income purposes.
I see, Artillero = GA3
@7
Aug 09th, 2011 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks man !
“ ... He was referring to a decision by the Islanders in 2006 to grant fishing concessions around the Islands over a 25-year period, rather than by annual renewal, a move which greatly angered Argentina and has sparked many outbursts and protests since...”
Aug 09th, 2011 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bad move politically! For Argentina that is. After all, it shows how confident that the Falkland Islanders were in being Falkland Islanders in 25 years time :-)
perhaps he just wishes to clarify that the islands are british,
Aug 09th, 2011 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and that Argentina has no claims to them,
easy said -easy done-.
Or perhaps he wishes to go to the ICJ ,
with his findings, ??
@7 Beef,
Aug 10th, 2011 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0what do you call a decent return? 10% + ?
It depends on your attitude to risk and your diversification! Remember the compounding effect. I would be happy with an average of 10-15% on a unit trust or OEIC. Doubt you will see this on a US treasury bond though. Just getting above the rate of inflation would be my priority but I much prefer equites and am looking for the bargain stocks after this recent sell off.
Aug 10th, 2011 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0With a government that pays homage to Peron and the continued lies about those islands, Its clear Argentina is still run by fascists.
Aug 10th, 2011 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 1834 protest, that first stated what Argentina wanted in terms of reparations and only asked for the East Island. This respected to the UK's 1771 agreement with Spain. Not the whole archipelago that has been continously lied about by Argentine officials. It would be very hard for Argentina now to claim the West Islands seeing as they never claimed it then.
Secondly, The Convention of Settlement Treaty settled all differences and created perfect relation between the nations of Argentina and the UK in 1850 and Argentina dropped all protests, accepting the islands were British. That was then followed by a Treaty of recognition between Argentina and Spain in 1864 that confirms all debts/inheritances happened in 1810. Not in 1816 as Argentine officials lie about. This was a year before Spain left the islands physically in 1811. So it's impossible there was any 'automatic' inheritance either.
All things considered it very obvious why Argentina has never considered to take the UK to an international arbitration the way Greece and Cameroon have. Maybe, just maybe our Argentine friends will look a little further than there media to discover why.
Actually fascists are politically far right (Hitler, Mussolini...Peron...)
Aug 10th, 2011 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK in her case is a far left socialist (Chavez, Castro...)
That's one of the main reasons she appears to dislike the armed forces in Argentina. ....
Cheers
[] - Artillero
Aug 10th, 2011 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i am very patient ,i can long wait your answer ,don't hurry !
by the way
if you don't know their first names, you would say their nicknames.
becouse , in Argentina almost all military school students know
their names in the 70s /80/s years !
Geo,
Aug 10th, 2011 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what is your question?
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Aug 10th, 2011 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0didn't look at link(comment 33) in the # comment 6 of this forum ?
Q : 70' s years at ESMA ,two physics teachers brothers
what were the first names or nicknames ??
(in Argentine Army/Schools everybody were knowing them !!)
Let me remind you that ESMA belonged to the Navy and as to the names of those guys, I don't have a clue but I can find out
Aug 10th, 2011 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#15. Argentina has a bogus democracy. CFK is not far left she's wealthy! That is a complete joke . The proof is in the pudding. They pay homage to Peron, this includes this bogus cause.
Aug 10th, 2011 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr British Sawle That is NOT only Argentina's position but the UN, OAS, Unasur, Mercosur, Rio Group, Latn America and Caribbean, Arab Countries and Africa's Summits among many other forums! Seems you deliberately miss them? Does this reminder ring a bell?
Aug 10th, 2011 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 What you're saying is THE TRUTH! She's wealthier than wealthy!
Aug 10th, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#20 There are just 34 out of 192 UN members that have stated they fully support Argentinas claim, thats 17%, so cut the crap. To say you'd like to see negotiations means nothing legally. Argentina and the UK have that view of the Israeli-Palestine confict, but will always full short of taking sides, as is most of the world its just sitting on the fence for the sake of diplomacy.
Aug 10th, 2011 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] - 19
Aug 10th, 2011 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0democracy ?? what is it ??
the regime has politica nominees who are determined by people ??
attention !! ....i said “” determined “” not “” elected “” !!
show me a sample from the world ..............
I see Fidelity have taken a larger stake in RKH today and now own 5% of the companies shares. Looks like one of the biggest institutional investors see these as a safe bet. In other words they are certain oil will flow and Argentina can do nothing to disrupt such production.
Aug 10th, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe Argentina's claim on the Malvinas are solid,and she should claim them, but the one to S.Georgia and S.Sandwich are shaky, is better for Argentina to drop the claim on S.Georgia/S.Sandwich as a sign of good will for negotiations with the UK on the Malvinas. The actual claims would remove all UK presence on the South Atlantic, UK will never accept that, but Unasur will be willing to accept the UK as part of the “South American Communitiy” if the UK stops being too greedy, and hand over Gran Malvina( West Falkland) to Argentina and a small portion of Northern Isla Soledad(East.Falkland) and the rest of East Falkland(isla soledad) can become an independent “ Republic of East Falkland” with the UK maintaining military presence there with an agreement with the newly independent state.
Aug 10th, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 013 Wayne Bird (#
Aug 10th, 2011 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With a government that pays homage to Perón and the lies continued on these islands, it is clear Argentina is still run by fascists.
You have a total lack of Peronism and its movement. Take a moment and read a little history, without resentment and hatred towards Argentina and Latin America and their movements, and you'll get a surprise. You also have a misconception about the Argentine claim over the islands. Its cause is not only of Peronism is barely a member of Latin American popular movements, but an entire continent and encompasses and transcends the political spectrum from left, center and right. All agree that the claim is fair and it goes far back in time from 1833 onwards.
14 atk357 (#)
In reality, the fascists are politically far right (Hitler, Mussolini ... Peron ...) CFK in your case is a far left socialist (Chavez, Castro ...)
As Wayne Bird 13: You have a total, total ignorance of the Peronist National Movement. Fascists (Hitler, Mussolini, Churchill, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, George Bush and David Cameron) that encouraged racism and European colonialism and American today. What we see today with David Cameron allows repression to repress its own citizens. Behaves like Syrian President Bashar Assad or NATO humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya.
The remedy worse than the disease.
I suggest reading the following article.
http://www.clarin.com/mundo/Cameron-acosado-protestas-contraataque-comenzado_0_533346860.html
@26
Aug 10th, 2011 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What we see today with David Cameron allows repression to repress its own citizens...... so what do you suggest Raul, allow those people to continue destroying private property? or better off, in the 70's during “our” war of terror, Montoneros, ERP attacking military Units, killing policemen, kidnapping , setting bombs everywhere.... remember those times, I do !!!
@ 22 Wayne Bird: Crap? Not only your figures but your concepts are deeply WRONG dude! The GA is made up of more than 37 countries and there're many GA resolutions on the Malvinas issue calling BOTH parties to resume sovereignty negotiations. That's an objective fact. As a proof, trying summing up all the African, Arab and Latin American countries endorsing this call, as well as those in Asia and the EU? Not only your figures are utterly wrong...
Aug 10th, 2011 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wayne, you are completely uninformed. Stop making a fool of yourself.
Aug 10th, 2011 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 025 Andean 3000
Aug 10th, 2011 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is it with you people and West Falkland? You're not getting my home.
only the falkland islanders have a right to say what happens.
Aug 10th, 2011 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one else .
After all it is their islands is it not .
27 Artillero601
Aug 10th, 2011 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Artillero601 Dear, I know this is hard for you to understand this concept, but there was no war in the 70's. There was state terrorism carried out by the military to the national security doctrine imposed by the U.S. and England. Were instruments of national and economic oligarchies of the country, which produces 30,000 missing and the killing of babies. This systematic plan of extermination occurred throughout Latin America. Today are the same oligarchs who rejected the law 125 of the field and the press as Clarin and La Nacion, who do not accept other social actors (national industry, new media, social movements) and reject a basic concept: The distribution of wealth with the less fortunate whether in education, health and work.
David Cameron defends imperialist colonial system of exploitation and social exclusion based on Anglo-Saxon defense of elites who live outside of the income and production and arms sales to the U.S. partner and asset bubbles. Its democracy is social content and is only formal and does not contain its own society. What explains the echo magnitude of the conflict and not an isolated echo has to do with the movements of indignation in Spain and Israel, the fall of Mubarak in Egypt and the massacres in Syria. All development must be viewed in a broader context: the weariness of his society tired of the financial system that does not include social inclusion and their society is highly discriminatory.
They are intended only extrathoracic and exploitation of natural resources in the southern hemisphere countries such as Latin America and Argentina in particular seeking to appropriate the oil in Libya, Iraq and the Falklands as an example.
Thank you for your attention.
Raul - Why bring up Libya? We are enforcing a UN security council resolution and it is good to see that there are plenty of Argentinians fighting with us:
Aug 10th, 2011 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPoln4pgGoQ
@31 no, and that's the point.
Aug 10th, 2011 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 Raul,
Do you know pig latin?
Ix-nay on the omestic-day onflicts-cay when discussing alvinas-mae. Para que darles mas aliento?
#30,000 is a bit much. I can hate them just as equally for producing 10-15,000. For even that smaller amount, Videla & Co. should have been executed long ago. There are questions of accuracy as to the count which still need to be answered, yet even 1 death is a tragedy, let alone 10 thousand. You are wrong about the state terrorism as stemming from a national security doctrine imposed by US & UK. The reasons - as with every reason why anything happens or doesn't happen in the world - were due to the imposition of an economic doctrine. The agro laws got a lot of pushback as did the medium laws. But the problem remains, because the core of the issue is constitutional. The whole system is bad, from the ground up, and if the constitution doesn't work, every law passed under its tutelage will have problems too. The problem has to be corrected domestically at the base.
This does not mean redistribution of wealth and socialism. Going from capitalism to socialism is simply going from one extreme to the other. People need to stop thinking about this in 2-dimensional terms where the choice is one or the other. There is a 3rd and a 4th dimension solutions that no one considered, that would achieve the goals of social inclusion and wealth re-distribution without violating the capitalist tenets of self-regulating markets. That work is still in its very early infancy and will surface in a few decades, I hope. I agree that development must be viewed in a broader context.
[] - 33 Beef
Aug 10th, 2011 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are there plenty of Argentinians fighting in “” Xe “” service ?
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abruptly ,i remembered Jack Richard a man who gave “” 1 billion $ “”
bonus to Libya Government...to take part of 30 years agrement ..
by way of a Canadian Petroleum Company...
(2008)which money transfered to the Qaddafi's Virgin Island Accounts.
this Jack Richards also related to the British Royal Estates.....etc..etc..
33 Beef (#)
Aug 10th, 2011 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If true, but it is a good example for others, and is deceived, because the solution is worse than the disease. I agree that it is a bloody regime, but we also know that NATO countries that carry out attacks (France and England) are colonial imperial powers covertly supported by the United States and we all know what they want is to divide Libya , as in Sudan and Iraq, and only interested in oil.
Unfortunately we all know that the UN resolution was manipulated by the United States, Britain and France and even the African Union rejected the resolution as it was not the correct method of armed intervention in foreign countries. It is a similar case when George Bush justified the invasion of Iraq with nuclear weapons, but ultimately we all know that was a false report to justify the invasion.
Even time later the same George Bush acknowledged that it was a false report to justify the preemptive attack regardless of the killing of civilians as collateral for the actions are unimportant.
At least the problem must be resolved by peaceful methods of coercion and solved by the Libyans themselves African or organizations similar to Latin American and the OAS, etc. UNASUR.
Thank you for your attention
[] - Beef
Aug 10th, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you know what is “” Xe Service“” ?....don't you !
Oh dear how embarrasing, I going to have to explain to these Banana republicans about their own country.
Aug 10th, 2011 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peron was a time-honoured fascist pure and simple and was one of 15 military leaders between 1830 and 1983. The fact you can't see what is wrong with having a government that pays homage to him says it all. As for the OAS members supporting Argentina it obligation as for being part of the group in the same way the EU support Britain. Most of the OAS leader could never debate on the history of the dispute and we all know it. Also this support does not come from 1833 either. Infact the claim was dropped by Argentina in 1850 and there were no diplomatic protests of any kind to the UK from 1850 to 1884 and 1888 to 1941. So your writing bullshit
As for my UN figures I am right. Only 34 nations that are in the OAS and China have stated they fully support Argentina. Thats 34 out 192 member states of the UN. Im totally right.
Raul - so you want Argentina to impose itself onto a group of people against their wishes and disregard their self-determination and you have the nerve to call the UK imperialistic!
Aug 10th, 2011 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You failed in 1982 and are continuing to talk up but deliver nothing. Meanwhile more good news comes from the appraisal drilling!
Morning all. Ailing's back I see.
Aug 10th, 2011 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Couple of you still seem to think that the UN backs Argentina even though the facts really don't stand up. The UN doersn't actually care. Nearly every member has their own territorial dispute going on and Argentina's is just amongst the pack. No UN GA Resolution since 1988 - and apparently Argentina knows why!
http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/
So no, the UN does not call for the islands to be handed over to Argentina. The UN calls for a resolution by negotiation. That is its usual position. And that is only advisory!
See you at the Fourth Committee in October :-)
34 AlejandroArgeric
Aug 10th, 2011 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are wrong about the state terrorism as the result of a national security doctrine imposed by the U.S. and the UK. The reasons - and with good reason why something happens or does not happen in the world - was due to the imposition of an economic doctrine.
I agree with you, of course the background of most conflicts is funny. It is well known adage that “all wars are economic” consider obvious explanation, as state terrorism by itself is not given previously must be other factors above to create the conditions that exist. This proved that the ideological contribution to the implementation of state terrorism is the Doctrine of National Security. All agencies and global human rights including the Doctrine and Peace Studies based in Oslo (Norway) accept this view.
Besides the fact it shows that U.S. and Britain, political and economic support to the creation of the “School for the Americas” that operated in Fort Gulit in Panama, where all American General went through that school, where he spread the doctrine national security and was also known as a torture center for teaching Latin American armies.
The laws have a lot of agro back laws like environment. But the problem remains because the crux of the matter is constitutional. The whole system is wrong from the beginning, and if the Constitution does not work, every law passed under his tutelage have too many problems. The problem should be fixed in the country at the base.
I agree. Unfortunately there is no place and time to share and develop these concepts with you on this website. This is my email address:
Face1354@hotmail.com
For lack of space, I will continue later. Thank you very much.
Sorry Peron was a time-honoured fascist pure and simple and was one of 15 military leaders between 1930 and 1983, not 1830 XD
Aug 10th, 2011 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 034 AlejandroArgeric
Aug 10th, 2011 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you, of course, the bottom of most conflicts is funny.
Excuse me, the translation went wrong, I meant
I agree with you, of course, the bottom of most conflicts is economic.
There is a solution of third and fourth dimension that no one considers, for achieving the objectives of social inclusion and redistribution of wealth without violating the capitalist principles of self-regulation markets.
It's true what you say, I think the common factor of all these crises that surface appear as economic, is that the principles of self-regulation of markets has demonstrated that it has failed. The fact demonstrates that the economic prescriptions of the Washington Consensus recommended by the IMF and World Bank Latin America and southern hemisphere countries in the nineties did not bring social justice to these countries. On the contrary, today, failure to follow the advice of the IMF and World Bank have enabled Argentina and Brazil have been affected by the economic crisis and have developed a strong domestic market and full employment at acceptable levels. United States and Europe are suffering the consequences of the prescriptions of the IMF and Washington Consensus.
That work is still in its early infancy and the surface in a few decades, I hope. I agree that development should be viewed in a broader context.
I hope so, the southern hemisphere countries are working towards a world order and system fairer and more representative than the current.
It's unanimous criticism of the United States and England and Europe to maintain a first world imperialist and exclusionary discourse when everyone calls for greater social justice and respect for the environment.
The fact demonstrates the double standards of the United States and England during the conflicts in the Middle East, Africa and Asia and the growing discontent of the world public opinion against the United Kingdom versus-Malvinas conflict.
Thank you very much for sharing with you.
@ 38 Wayne Bird (#), go and revise your theory. By the way, go deep in the UN work on this and you'll realise, I know it may not be easy for you, but give it a try. Of course let's see all of you at the UN! And at the OAS to say thank you to the US and Canada too! Not to speak about our friends in the EU, not only the Ibero American ones!!! Good job Argentina, once again!
Aug 11th, 2011 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, did you say Canada?
Aug 11th, 2011 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2005/01/23/canadian-mps-blast-argentinean-stranglehold-on-falklands-development
#44 - Which only goes to prove that you can fool some of the people ALL of the time !
Aug 11th, 2011 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you believe your government's version of events at the UN then it is hardly surprising that you have a false picture of what is happening there. You need to do some more research yourself!
have you not noticed? Nothing is happening !!!
Yes, CANADA, they joined the consensus at the OAS last meeting in June. They are members of the OAS FYI... They could have objected the consensus, but they did not, of course.
Aug 11th, 2011 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Second, nothing happening at the UN? Ok, then tell your British “MLA” not to insist on this cause? What for then? Ah, btw, tell them also not to visit Canada and the US after the C24 meeting if there's not threat at all.
Seems that YOU do not simply understand anything. Good job Argentina once again!
30 monty69
Aug 11th, 2011 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0stop being a Scrooge, because if FI finds massive oil reserves there, you are risking getting invaded by almost all of South America in 40-50 years from now and divide the islands among themselves.Besides, only about 10% of keepers live on gran malvina, kelpers keeping the E.falkland will still have one of the highest income per capita in the world, and a friendly continent next door. stop being greedy now and share the Malvinas
#47 - Cananda, indeed everyone, will support a call for negotiations. And that's ALL they'll do!
Aug 11th, 2011 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0#48 - the islands and the oil belongs to the islanders. South America can go st*ff itsef!
More politics at work I see. What Tinman doesn't mention is that the current President of the UNGA stands down next month ... but hey, good for the press and the stupid public.
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/president-of-the-uns-general-assembly-visits-argentina/
47 Alejomartinez
Aug 11th, 2011 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you really saying that our politicians visiting USA and Canada is some kind of proof of a weakness of our position? Really?
Then why is it that your politicians and bureaucrats travel the world and pop up at every single international and quasi- international event boring everybody rigid wittering on about the 'Malvinas'?
No-one apart from you and us could care less, and you're too thick- skinned and ignorant to realise it. You think that everybody ignoring you and hoping you'll go away is a sign of support.
48 Andean 3000
You obviously come from a culture that allows human rights to people according to how many of them there are. Happily, I don't.
FYI, we are probably even less than 10% of the total population of the Falklands, but no-one is going to give my home away to you any time soon.
And if wanting to keep my home makes me a scrooge, the bah humbug to you. This might be about oil to you, but it isn't to me, and that is why you will lose.
@ 50 Monty69 (#) it's not me who says that but they themselves. Go to their statements and you'll find it!
Aug 11th, 2011 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0PM Cameron seems to be concerned as your country is pulling apart with riots? OMG! So third worldish... You see the truth now? Where's the powerful ocuppying power's decline leading you to? Good, and not because of Argentina's interference (unless you also seek to make argentines guilty of your own domestic problems!). One thing is for sure: you'll never have these problems people have in the UK as you won´t ever be “immigrants”!
@ 50 Monty69
Aug 11th, 2011 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0You need to come to a “ compromise”. I'm not saying that you have to “ give up” your house on West Falkland,or you lose your citizenship. your house is still your house, just the sovereignty of the island goes to Argentina , that's all. There is still plenty of land on East Falkland, a newly independent republic government can give you a good real estate on the other side. You have to consider that South America will grow stronger both economically and militarily in the next decades to come, and is not a smart decision keeping maintaining a colonial mentality in this century having such a huge enemy next door, the UK simply wouldn't be able to handle a united South America. The UK main interest in the S.Atlantic is Antartica, that is the biggest fish UK wants to fry,and they're risking losing everything because of greed. Settle the matter now,Argentina and Chile will be willing to split their overlapping claims on the Antartica .
Don't be talking about “ human rights” when Diego Garcia Chagossians are supposed to be British citizens too and can't even return to their islands. Uk has no shame,is a double-standard.
West Falkland is British !
Aug 11th, 2011 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0East Falkland is British !
Have been since 1765.
Confirmed in 1771 - ” ... Earl Rochford writes to the Admiralty on March 15th, “ ….Your lordships will direct Captain Stott to behave with the greatest prudence and civility towards the Spanish commander and the subjects of his Catholic Majesty, carefully avoiding any thing that might give occasion to disputes or animosity, and strictly restraining the crews of the ships under his command in this respect; but if, at or after the restitution to be made, the Spanish commander should make any protest against his Majesty’s right to Port Egmont, or Falkland’s Islands, it is his Majesty’s pleasure that the commander of his ships should answer the same by a counter-protest, in proper terms, of his Majesty’s right to the whole of the said islands, and against the right of his Catholic Majesty to any part of the same ”.
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1768-1771/
Reconfirmed in 1833.
Reconfirmed further in 1982.
You lot are not very bright. You struggle to absorb simple truths.
“Don't be talking about “ human rights” when Diego Garcia Chagossians are supposed to be British citizens too and can't even return to their islands. Uk has no shame,is a double-standard.”
Aug 11th, 2011 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Andean, you don't seem to get that if the UK did to the Falkland Islanders what you suggest, ie give away their homeland in contravention of their right to self determination that would be exactly the same as what the UK did to the Chagossians... and you say the UK has double standards??? More like the UK has learned its lesson and YOU have double standards!!!
lol, so you think because that banana boat OAS has a consensus it means they all fully support you? You gullible fool. The Queen is the head of state of Canada and they are part of the commonwealth, they are never going to turn their back on Britain and the USA too have only said they would like to see negotiations but that does not mean anything. Negotiations could mean anything from Argentina getting nothing to everything. The UN GA resolutions you people speak of only 'suggest' and 'request' to they don't demand and they don't state what the outcome should be. You have pre-determined what the result should be which interferes with the state of play.
Aug 11th, 2011 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are only 34 nations that have stated they FULLY support Argentina. That is not the same thing as saying they support negotiations. You should stop putting words into people’s mouths.
@Andean3000,
Aug 11th, 2011 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, you now“only want”
1764 ... first french settlements at islands
Aug 11th, 2011 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 01766 ... spain --de jure-acqusition of french colony
1767 ... spanish - de facto - acqusition of french colony under the control
of Buenos Aires colonial admin.
1770 ... spain expels british colony
1771 ... anglo-spanish peace treaty allows brits return to colony
1774 ... british withdraws from colony
1776 ... british leave plaque to assert claim on abondoned colony
1811 ... spanish withdraws from colony
1816 ... united province of south america (later becoming Argentina)
declares independence from spain.
1820 ... flag of(river plate) Arg. raised on islands
1828 ... argentine settlements colony founded
1831 ... us warships destroy settlements
1832 ... argentina sends another governor who killed in mutiny
by arrenged by royal nay secret services.
1833 ... british forces return and grab the islands.
#57 Ed I got some more.
Aug 11th, 2011 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 01834 ... Argentina makes clear in their second protest that they claimed the East Island not the whole Archipelago. This repects the UK's 1771 agreement with Spain
1850 ... The UK and Argentina sign the 1850 treaty that settles all differences between the two nations and creates Perfect realations between the two nations (Thats right Banana Republicans, 'All' and 'Perfect' meaning nothing less than 'All' and 'Perfect'). All protests were to Britain were stopped and the issue was no longer mentioned in the annual messages to congress.
1864 ... Argentina confirms in a treaty with Spain and sets the date that all debts (inheritances) passed over were from 1810 not 1816 as often lied about. The Spanish were still there in control in 1811, meaning there was no automatic inheritance of the islands at all.
1869 ... President Sarimento confirms Argentina position in the annual message to congress that “Nothing is claimed from us by other nations”
Ed - a bit thin on content. Try this -
Aug 11th, 2011 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1493-1767/
Live and learn !
:-)
#(58)
Aug 11th, 2011 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you must know the secret treaties were made between Brit-Arg
at the 1850-1884 period.
#(59)
I know this site, just from Brits eye...personal reports can not be
accepted as historic documents..some are censored.
there are no anything in related 1830-s years ,some are wrong
e.g.. Dixon was not killed ,withdrawn from London.
Dickson was not killed ! Does he know this ??
Aug 11th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brit's eyes are bright eyes
:-)
#60 No I don't Ed, is it a joke?
Aug 11th, 2011 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#54 J.ARoberts
Aug 11th, 2011 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I'm not saying to do the “same” as in Chagos Islands. It is totally different, what I'm saying is for E.Falkland becoming an independent Republic that is welcomed by the South American community. If West Falklanders don't want to live under Argentinian flag, they STILL have a HOME on the East Falkland, on the other hand, the Chagossians can't even return to their islands at all, and are living in extreme poverty in Mauritius, this is the difference.
The UK can keep S.Georgia/S.Sandwich as a colony. The French have French Guyana, Brazil was claiming a chunk of land, and the French gave them that chunk of land, now French Guyana lives in peace with the rest of the South American community. You can't expect Argentina to get nothing at all here. They do have legitimacy on the islands, the best way is to share and then live in peace.
#Andean 3000
Aug 11th, 2011 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't know what you are talking about. The Argentine consitution states that their government will accept nothing less than a complete capitulation of the UK from the South Atlantic and a 'recovery' of it all. There is no room for compromise and any member of Congress that stated so could be impeached by the supreme court. All this 'negotiation' business is bullshit and was covered very well here in the debate between Pepper and Cisneros.
Also yes Argentina can get nothing, they only the East island in the 1834 protest and they settled all differences in the convention of settlement treaty of 1850. The Argentine government are going to con them.
if you reward all these nations that illigal take what is not theirs,
Aug 11th, 2011 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what next.
Go to the ICJ, thats the fair way to go,
@52 Andean 3000,
Aug 11th, 2011 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Damned computer cut me off. What l was going to say, so now ALL you want is West Falkland?, “well, no way, José”. You're not getting West Falkland, East Falkland, North Falkland or even South Falkland.
So we have to “compromise” do we?
So what are you willing to give us?
As l have said before, it would want to be very good.
Our country is not for sale.
@64 Wayne bird
Aug 11th, 2011 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know that it is in the contitution, but sooner or later they'll come to the conclusion that that position is unrealistic, because even if Argentina takes the route of asking for military help from her neighbors, it won't be for free, they will want to take portions of land and oil for themselves. Argentina can only depend from the diplomatic and (maybe military help) of Unasur.
if Unasur says that is best for E.falkland to be an independent republic, Argentina will have no other choice but to accept that, because she can't do nothing by herself, she is too weak to stand alone against the Uk.
I'm sure that Unasur would accept such solution, because there is precedent already , French Guyana is part of France and the regular Guyana was a former British colony, and now is part of Unasur.
remember, I'm only talking about an agreement among south amercan nations on the issue.
@ 66 Isolde
I'm not Argentinian, I'm just stating a possible solution for this from a continental perspective.
what do you get from this? you get an entire continent not blockading, isolating you, and best of all, not getting invaded again.
what you think, that you are God and that you are invincible? in 2050 the world can be a very different place from now. Unasur can get real powerful. not smart having that next door.
you also missing the bigger picture here, ANTARTICA, if partition comes, Argentina and chile won't see the need of sharing their portion with uk, they can share it with brazil and other Unasur members.
The world was very different in 1765 .... and 1833, but the island's are still British.
Aug 11th, 2011 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has been waging an economic war for decades, without success. South America are NOT united over the Falklands for all the rhetoric at the annual meetings. Falkland flagged vessels still land on the continent.
If the Antarctic Treaty breaks, it won't be the UK that Argentina has to worry about, it'll be the U.S. and China.
The US has 'reserved' its position, and would likely be willing to do a deal with the UK. Argentina won't get a look in!.
That's the bigger picture !
Andean#67
Aug 11th, 2011 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are not talking about parking legislation here, we are talking about the Consitution of a country. Argentina will not accept any decision against them now and the Sth American groups are not going to do Jack shit! Look at the situation with Colombia. Its all bullshit.
@67Andean3000,
Aug 12th, 2011 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still threats & blackmail hey?
l know all about the Antarctic. As Redhoyt says, it will be the US, Russia, China & lndia that will be carving up Antarctica.
Argentina won't even get the scraps.
l doubt that an entire continent will blockade us. Or even go to war for Argentina.
Are you willing to die, or are you willing to let your son die for Argentina?
So by your reckoning, we are the ones that will have to “compromise” & Argentina just waltzes in & takes OUR land?
You've got it all wrong,Amigo. No, l do not think l am invincible but l know that we could give you a run for your money.
Some extraordinary comments from Andean3000.
Aug 12th, 2011 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“what do you get from this? you get an entire continent not blockading, isolating you, and best of all, not getting invaded again.”
Language straight from an extortionist's handbook. “If you just give up your country and resources, you won't be invaded again”. Unbelievable.
We must not despise and mock his view Andean3000:
Aug 12th, 2011 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doing an analysis according interesting possibilities in the future.
I do not agree or condone the use of violence under any circumstances.
Despite the presence of a military base.
I agree to seek opportunities for consensus between the two parties. (England and Argentina).
The fact is the rapid growth of the South American nation as a future UNASUR and certainly weighed in the conflict to banish colonialism.
@71 ElaineB
Aug 13th, 2011 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0That the Malvinas are your lands that's just an opinion. You have an entire continent, as a matter of fact, all Latin America, that considers the inhabitants of those islands to be pirates and thieves; and that is not going to go away. Is only going to get worse for the Kelpers. Because Unasur will get stronger, with better navies and armies. That is not “ extortionism” , that is just geopolitical reality.
Unasur will also support the Chagossians in returning to their native islands in the Indian Ocean, against the “ super-democratic” UK.
You are living in a dream world there Iodine3000. Unasur will be as good as Mercosur, and the OAS and will not achieve anything.
Aug 13th, 2011 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most the countries in South America are more suspicious of each other than they are of the UK !
@73Andean3000,
Aug 13th, 2011 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0l think thatyour idea of a united South America is like your opinion about the Falklands, hot air.
l asked you, are you willing to die for Argentina? when you are not even Argentine! l don't know where you come from, but it seems from their comments that Argentines despise their neighbours.
Good luck with your solidarity!
“sooner or later they'll come to the conclusion that that position is unrealistic”
Aug 13th, 2011 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, sooner or later they'll come to the conclusion that the entire Argentine claim is unrealistic, unfounded and unsustainable
“as a matter of fact, all Latin America, that considers the inhabitants of those islands to be pirates and thieves”
Well if it's a matter of fact then it must be a matter of record. Perhaps you could provide links to back this assertion up? Apart from Venezuela I think you'll find that particularly difficult. Asking Argentina and the UK to “settle their differences” is different from saying the “Falklands are Argentine territory”...
Does anybody take Arturo seriously?
Aug 13th, 2011 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't he just the Botox Queen's Fool?
I don't normally like to repeat myself but this is worth the effort.
Aug 14th, 2011 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0For the serious minded, Dab, Domingo and others, a consideration of the sovereignty issues in the south Atlantic.
http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/fear-and-loathing-in-the-south-atlantic/
For the rest, I wouldn't read it ... you'll find it disturbing :-)
Wayne Bird banana Republic lol?
Aug 15th, 2011 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0London is a complete social mess and en embarrassment to the world
Why would London be an embarrassment to the World? I can see why the recent riots might be an embarrassment to the UK, hardly the World.
Aug 16th, 2011 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Argentina embarrassed about throwing people out of helicopters? Is Argentina embarrassed about being thrashed militarily in 1982? Will Argentina be embarrassed at the 2011 RU World Cup Finals - you betcha!!!
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