MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Blockaded by Argentina, Falkland’ plans to grow its own vegetables and eggs
A quarter of million pounds (approximately 400.000 dollars) is to be used to produce more fruit, vegetables, salad and hen eggs within the Falkland Islands. The Executive Council (ExCo) agreed the funding which is to be administered by the Development Corporation (FIDC) in a bid to reduce the amount of imports into the Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThey can probably get an EU subsidy .................. eggsellent :-)
Sep 05th, 2011 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Plenty of rusty useless warplanes, warships and bombs, at the same time they need to import fruit, vegetables, eggs and fresh milk.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trade with Argentina then... just pay them a rent for their Malvinas and you can administrate them for ever. They just need to put a flag on the islands and a post office, if you are intelligent , you will keep your rights, goods, properties, customs and language..., just pay them a rent for their land. If you are not..., then UK will be spending some GBP millions just for some more years on a couple of useless islands and then..., and then you will just be able to eat Penguins instead of chicken, you will be able to have breakfast using Albatross eggs instead of chicken ones, grass as a lettuce and God knows what will you eat instead of a fruit...
Sep 05th, 2011 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then you will understand that money is not tasty, oil is not sweet and that you cannot increase your population because it will not be self sustaining.
Trade with them, and take advantage, remember, they are not so much smart !! but they are smart enough to block your Latin imports and Latin communication.
But if you don´t... no future on your shoes.
40 million people country is just around the corner.
319 m/t of fruit and veges a year, by my reckoning thats somewhere south of 10kg per head per month...... or 300g per head per day.... some 'blockade' eh!
Sep 05th, 2011 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0And at @2 .... where does Ushuaia get its pineapples and bananas from? grown locally are they??
At least you can buy butter in the Falklands........
Hmm .. so, when Argentina was a 20 million people country it couldn't get hold of the Falkland Islands, and when Argentina was a 30 million people country it couldn't get hold of the Falkland Islands .... what's 10 million here or there ;-)
Sep 05th, 2011 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dig for Victory !
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/09/05/egg-chips/
Not wonder the dairy was closed...
Sep 05th, 2011 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Falklands Workers' Shock as Dead Animals Discovered at Stanley Dairy”
“The new manager had not known of the dead animals though she had entered the container where they lay buried in dung”
http://www.sartma.com/artd_6229_02_2009_27.html
@4 Do you need any help?
Programa Pro Huerta-Ushuaia Tierra del Fuego
http://www.sartma.com/artd_6229_02_2009_27.html
You Argies don't understand us at all MoreCrap ....
Sep 05th, 2011 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Which is why you'll never get your thieving hands on the Falkland Islands.
” … A brief word about shipping and the new arrangements for shipping: The nice thing about this is that it’s not only just been put in place but it is that we will always find solutions for these sorts of problems and it doesn’t matter how many different problems that the neighbours or others try to throw at us. We will always find a solution. There’s always another way of doing things and we will always find them. Sometimes it’s difficult to accept that a certain service is not there anymore – we can’t ship to Punta – we can’t ship to here or to there. But there’s another way of doing it. And I think if there is a message from this to the other side, it is just, “open your eyes.” We are Islanders, we are resilient, we will always find another way. That’s how we’ve lived for the last two centuries and that’s how we will do for the next centuries and that’s how all Islanders cope with their lives. So try as you might, we will survive. “
http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/09/05/fighting-talk/
Live and learn MoreCrap :-)
7 Rotted
Sep 05th, 2011 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here is the complete article that you missed:
Mike Summers MLA
August 29, 2011
“Many people have already talked about the Import Substitution Programme and I am happy thats now come through. Its one of the processes and it will be advertised now from FIDC and people will then be able to take that up. I think I will be involved in that most of the way so if people are unclear about whats happening with the Import Substitution Programme by all means give me a call and I will try to help. But it is an important attempt to come a little closer to self-sufficiency. Self-sufficiency is one of those nice, green, ideas that we have that are sometimes are not that altogether practical but I think in this particular case the growing of food stuffs in the Falklands is perfectly possible. We are a food producing nation, we always have been and thats an important place to be in this difficult world”
By all means give him a call and he will try to help, don't panic! HAHAHA
http://www.falklandnews.com/public/story.cfm?get=6065&source=3
Yep Marcos, plenty of rusty airplanes, specifically puccaras. Hipocryte, I don't know about paying rent but the Argies sure should pay reparations for their actions in 1982.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you should check your facts first Hipolyte. Just because Argentina claims the Falklands doesn't mean the belong to Argentina. No rent needs to be paid to anyone.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and you obviously don't know how much the Falklands cost the UK. Less than 1% of the entire defence budget. And in return the UK gets valuable training opportunities - something which would be needed anyway. In all other respects the Falklands are self sufficient, they cost the UK nothing.
“if you are intelligent , you will keep your rights, goods, properties, customs and language”
Yup, Argentina has “promised” all of that before, but from bitter experience the Falkland Islanders know never to trust Argentina, because Argentina does not keep her promises.
Isn't it about time the Argies realized that the only way they are going to get their hands on the FI is if they:
Sep 05th, 2011 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Win a legal case at the ICJ.
2) Forcibly annex the FI through military intervention.
They are unwilling to go down the line of 1 and are incapable of carrying out 2.
No amount of whining to insignificant UN committees or Tango dancing is going to affect anything. All it achieves is making Argentina look even more pathetic so everyone can have a good Chuckle Chuckle!
Funny thing is Marcos that we see increasing amounts of surplus Falklands grown quality salads exported in summer to cruise ships who prefer it to the crap stuff they are offerred in Ushuaia, same for nice Chilean fruits flown in by air.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well done Falkland Islanders.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you knew what Argentina sprayed on their crops you wouldn't want it anyway. Their meat is manky as well.
2 “Plenty of rusty useless warplanes, warships and bombs, at the same time they need to import fruit, vegetables, eggs and fresh milk”
Sep 05th, 2011 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0For once I agree with more crap on his incredibly factual analysis of Argentina......
However I am delighted to see that my predictions have wrung true, in that Argentina's continued belligerence would back fire and make the islands far more reliant on themselves, self sufficiency, a new deep water port, Saint Helenea Airport, a large commercial oil find, increasing population, a renewed farming sector and booming sustainable fisheries industry......Argentina is forever being increasingly marginalised as the annoying neighbour who likes to shout alot but do very little, stopping short of military intervention (which they are incapable of anyway) Argentina can do very little, they could take it to the ICJ, but they would lose since no court in the world (except a daygo one) would rule that 3 months of temporary limited sovereignty 180 years ago takes precedence over 180 years of continual sovereignty and the self determination and democratic right to decide of 3,500 people........
Argentina's continued claim is energetic, I will grant her that, but like Spains claim to Gib, completely and utterly dead in the water.......
Given that sea freight is by far the cheapest part of the cost of any imported goods where ever you buy them I fail to see how trading with Argentina would have made any difference to the availability and cost of any fresh produce in the islands.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0What else has the 'Blockade' achieved ???? Four fifths of fuck all .........
There is no blockade. Argentina is impotent.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yep, ships keep going to and from Brazil! Including that lovely oil equipment.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0# 3 hipolyte, an analogy to your proposal would be the following:
Sep 05th, 2011 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”You pay me money (rent) in order that I allow you to sleep with YOUR OWN wife, you would of course keep your sleeping rights with her as long as you pay me a monthly Revenue. If you are inteligent, you will agree. You accept? “
...never heard something more silly from a legal point of view, if the islanders would start to pay ”rent”, they would legally and stupidly cede any right or sovereignty over the islands...
Yep Marcos, plenty of rusty airplanes, specifically puccaras. Hipocryte, I don't know about paying rent but the Argies sure should pay reparations for their actions in 1982.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure,beef,why we should pay for something created by you.You knew,in 1825,after signing the treaty,that MAlvinas was part of the Viceroyalty,already claimed in 1820.No reserve done in 1825,about Malvinas.In 1833,by an piracy act,you evicted our people.We protested,you knew then and now,we want our property back,So ASSUME ALL RISK!!
uk is so dumb,that in 180 years could not come with an acceptable solution...So you do not like?Fine,we told you in 1833 and continue telling: Malvinas back to us...You want to stick to it?/ Fine do it at your risk.
Your position anyway is weakening fast.
US main interest is a “stable Argentina”, warns Falklands Task Force head
The head of the Royal Navy Task Force that recovered the Falkland Islands during the 1982 South Atlantic conflict has warned about UK defense cuts and underlined that United States has little interest in supporting Britain in any conflict since a stable Argentina is more important to the State Department.
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/06/13/us-main-interest-is-a-stable-argentina-warns-falklands-task-force-head
Malvinero, in 1825 the UK recognised BsAs/UP, not the Viceroyalty, and in 1825 BsAs/UP had no presence in the Falklands, they were certainly not controlled by BsAs/UP.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again, no people were evicted in 1833. Only an illegal BsAs garrison which has already been protested by the UK's representative at BsAs.
You did not “continue telling” us. You dropped your claim in 1849, not mentioned again in Messages to Congress for the best part of 100 years.
Malviner - Find me someone who was about in 1820, 1825 and 1833 and let us ask them to sort it out. I didn't do anything in those years as I didn't become a member of the human race until the 1970s.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If our position is weakening then why has nothing changed or is changing? If the US is bothered then why is it a US owned rig doing the drilling? The US will sell us anything we want if we needed military hardware (apart from an F22 perhaps).
You have no coherent argument. I know the truth hurts.
You do have two options (and only two) to get us out of the FI:
1) Legal challenge via the ICJ.
2) Forcibly remove us through military intervention.
Let me know which one you are going to choose legal or military? Can't wait to pull your answer to pieces.
Beef, I told you, thieves never change.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Libya: the minister, the Tory donor and a contract to supply oil”
Brit comment:
”Well I don't know what to say, did we really go to war to benefit an oil trader, a politician and the Conservative party and not to save 'innocent lives'. I give up the whole stinking system is corrupt, my attitude has just changed, good luck to working and middle class's who riot, rob, steal and fiddle because those above us are rotten to the core, disgraceful totally disgraceful.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8736496/Libya-the-minister-the-Tory-donor-and-a-contract-to-supply-oil.html
I wonder for how long the UK will be willing to keep on spending millions for the “protection” and sustainability of the islanders. this situation is, in the long term, unsustainable unless there is in fact oil enough to cover the expenses. add to that the fact that the average brit could care less about the Malvinas especially when they are going through a prolonged economic slump. on the other hand, Argentina is very much interested and passionate about the islands. this “self-sufficient” initiative is neither intelligent nor efficient; and its attempted only to escape unfounded fears such as the loss of culture, values, lifestyle and what not if the islands were to become under Argentine sovereignty.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - opinions are like arse holes everyone has one. Now ICJ or military intervention. As your comrade is unwilling or unable to answer perhaps you could choose for him. As you lot have balls or a legal or actual fight then i suppose you will continue to do nothing (and be nothing).
Sep 05th, 2011 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troneas - UK military spending in the FI is tiny and actually saves us money as it would cost too much to do some of the military training in the UK that we do in the FI, good deal for the MoD. Perhaps you can answer, if Argentina is so interested in the Islands then why no legal challenge or military option???? Disinterested or toothless? You decide.
Good ole ARGENTINA. Continues to act in breach of the UN Charter it signed and ratified.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any reason to suppose it isn't a pirate and rogue country? Illegitimate bandits that should be destroyed. The day will come. The coastline of South America will be greatly improved by a large missing area. How does it go? 2011 - area of land on the east coast. 2012 - area missing. Just dust clouds. Reminiscent of widespread volcanic eruptions.
@Beef: First of, for there to be a legal case in the ICJ both parties have to agree for it to be considered by said body (ie the UK and Argentina). The UK has made clear that it is not willing to discuss the matter anywhere unless the kelpers so wish. Argentina, on the other hand, might fear that the politics of the wealthy nations in today's unfair system could tip the balance unfavorably - and since the ruling of the ICJ is final and legally binding its of no surprise that it prefers to negotiate. The military option is today not an option for a variety of reasons: 1. since the end of the military junta, military spending has decreased considerably and Argentina has one of the lowest % of its GDP destined to this field in Latin America (although it has increased notably for the 2012 budget). This, in turn, has two reasons: The initial fear that Defense overspending might prompt military meddling in domestic politics at the return of democracy and the ideals that the money is best used in other areas. 2. There is no doubt that a military intervention will rally all the “still” economic super-powers behind the UK (Europe and the US) and place an embargo on Argentina. 3. Argentina, given its past military “culture”, has embraced a peaceful and liberal mentality for the past 25 years with the return of democracy. The current leaders are just not military-prone and condemn all military action and killing around the world. Of course, if any of these scenarios were to change, perhaps with the decline of EU economic and US political power and the rise of the BRICS (especially China and Brasil), Argentina might be willing to consider any of these options.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beef “Now ICJ or military intervention”
Sep 05th, 2011 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's the rush, are you so desperate that you need another war?
Malvinas did not move any closer to UK and still part of Argentina and South America. Did you read the article's title above? If there is something that you guys hate, is been defeated slowly without firing a single bullet.
Patience Beef.
@25 I think you will find that the UK has a much richer recent history of UN Charter violations than Argentina. You can start by looking at the articles about non-intervention and use of force against foreign nations without the permission of the Security Council or when under a direct attack. NATO is not a world recognised legal body that can decide what and when to attack.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In other words Troneas, you don't want to go to the ICJ as you know you'll lose.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two nations have to accept ICJ judgement in contentious cases. UN bodies can refer any case to the ICJ for an advisory opinion.
So if as Argentine calims the UN supports Argentina, nothing to stop Argentina request the GA refer the case to the ICJ for an advisory opinion.
As to the rest, zzzzzz, whining excuses. Wake me when you have an original thought.
@29. The General Assembly can indeed refer to the ICJ for an advisory opinion. Problem is, the UK doesn't want to debate the issue in the GA.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah right, that must mean there aren't any GA assembly resolutions on the Falklands them. Oh bugger there are. Another Argentine claim, fundamentally flawed.
Sep 05th, 2011 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doh! Epic fail, do not pass go, do not collect £200.
@31. There are resolutions on the Malvinas. But what is the bloody point of the GA consulting the ICJ if the UK continues to ignore those resolutions and the opinion of the ICJ will thus fall on deaf ears?
Sep 05th, 2011 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0United States has little interest in supporting Britain in any conflict since Argentina is more important to the State Department
Sep 05th, 2011 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0/////////////////////////
If the was the only thing stopping you in the past,
What’s stopping you now, ???
You see, this is what happens when you let the rats out,
All you get is queek queek queek,
Doesn’t that embarrass you,
You guys just cant have it both ways, and you wonder why the world laughs at you,
[well most of the world] except mr Hugo and perhaps mr gadafy, [oh sorry , you are about to lose his support aren’t you, well never mind, you guys just keep on squeaking
It sound funny, remember now, you are the land of peace and non aggressive
Or is that milk and honey, lolol
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The Stanley Nursery and garden center began as an experiment in Hydroponics set-up by -I think -by a fellow from New Zealand way back in the 1980's. He left and the project passed into local hands and was expanded and with help from the government became very succesful.
Sep 06th, 2011 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Projects outside of Stanley however have a poor record which is puzzling - beckside farm is a good example. It is in a good location and has good land but for some odd reason the malvinas government always chooses someone from overseas with mental health issues.
The previous scandal at beckside farm actually made the international press.
Trousers - the UK is the ONLY member of the Security Council fully signed up to the ICJ and we are thereby bound to accept their decisions. Argentina, typically, is NOT full committed to the jurisdiction of the court and has a history of refusing to accept Arbitration panel decisions even when they'd committed themselves to do so!
Sep 06th, 2011 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is Argentina that are refusing to deal with their spurious case in an open court, not the UK.
ICJ and we are thereby bound to accept their decisions. Argentina, typically, is NOT full committed to the jurisdiction of the court and has a history of refusing to accept Arbitration panel decisions even when they'd committed themselves to do so!
Sep 06th, 2011 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should have accepted arbitration in 1885,when asked,and susequents years.....
Anyway,you can continue at your own risk.....
No proble,m.We live in the SA,and continue to be there.....and you will still be at 14000 km from uk......
Plus the reality shows,that uk is bankrupt....that is the reality....
@35 There is no such thing as being “fully committed” to the jurisdiction of the ICJ. That body is legally binding and recognised by the international community as such. Its only limitation is that both parties have to agree to its arbitration.
Sep 06th, 2011 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has never refused to accept the decisions of the ICJ because, for one, it has never presented a case to it. It has refused a private arbitration from a third country which is not legally binding. And that ruling was a complete farce.
34 fantazum2011
Sep 06th, 2011 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK bankrupt? So a AAA (stable) rating means a country is bankrupt. I am off to London this morning (Rockhopper AGM)! I will do a straw poll after the AGM and in the boozer to see how bankrupt the UK is?
Sep 06th, 2011 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still, the only options for Argentina is legal or military action as we are not gong to negotiate sovereignty without the consent of the Islanders. If you don't like it then tough, there is nothing you can do about it.
Malviner - Singapore is a long way from the FI but it doesn't stop the gvt there from investing in the Oil exploration. Distance is irrelevant. Take your head out of your arse and you might just see the reality around you. You may even be able to profit out of it?
Actually Britain has abided by every decision from the ICJ, the ECHR etc, even when it fundamentally disagreed with the court.
Sep 06th, 2011 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0And again - both sides have to agree in contentious cases, the UN GA and other bodies can refer cases for an advisory opinion.
On the other hand, Argentina's record is more one of spitting out its dummy, as in 1978 when arbitration ruled against it, refused to accept the judgement, massed its army on the Chilean border and was in hours of launching a full blooded invasion till papal mediation.
And in 1982, foolishly threatened Chile would be next after its Falkland's invasion.
And the case you claim was a “farce”.
Let us look at why Argentina's claim failed.
After Chile and Argentina signed a treaty settling the border dispute, both sides produced maps delineating the border. Funnily enough both sides maps immediately after the treaty match.
Then after the completion of the genocidal Conquest of the Desert, Argentina decided to revisit and reinterpret the earlier treaty with Chile and to redraw its borders to its advantage. It also decided to reprise its claim to the Falklands some 35 years after abandoning it.
Funnily enough the arbitration ruled in Chile's favour, as Argentina's own maps backed up the Chilean position and those same maps show the Falklands are not part of Argentina.
So guess what, there is a damn good reason why Argentina wouldn't take this to the ICJ and thats because its own cartography contradicts its claims.
So no, whilst the UK has a proven track record of abiding by the decisions of the ICJ etc, Argentina doesn't.
The only response you can come up with is to refer to an incident over a 125 years ago, when Britain turned down an invitation by Argentina for mediation by Argentina's ally some 35 years after the matter was settled by the 1850 Convention of Settlement.
Still stuck in 19th Century recriminations, whilst the rest of us live in the 21st.
What Argies also don't realize is the GA resolution they bang on about doesn't actually ask the UK to negotiate a transfer of soverignty!
Sep 06th, 2011 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0It asks both sides to negotiate a peaceful solution, with the best interests of the islanders being of prime importance.
1) As adults, the islanders are the ones who are free to determine what is in their best interests. They have decided!
2) The peaceful solution is for the Argies to leave the islanders alone to get on with lives.
Argentina, up creek without a paddle and incapable of doing anything to change the status quo. Keep that US rig drilling, let that kit keep coming via Brazil and those oil flights via Miami. Looks like Argentina get verbal support why the UK and FI get the actual support. I know which pays better!
@#28 Troneas
Sep 06th, 2011 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you should have another read of UN SC Resolution 1973, particularly paragraph 4.
Here's the link:
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N11/268/39/PDF/N1126839.pdf?OpenElement
Thanks Justin, I reckon you've covered that pretty well.
Sep 06th, 2011 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 1977 arbitration was the Beagle Channel case where Argentina agreed to abide by the decisions of the panel, and then didn't. Not a 'farce' at all, you merely lost!
Didn't want to go with the Pope's decision either, I recall it took a referendum to resolve the matter!
Argentina wasn't very happy with the Pulp Mill case result last year either! So much for not going to the ICJ.
You are talking through your trousers, Trousers!
Malvinero1 & Troneas,
Sep 06th, 2011 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please stop crying & whining boys, you have never & never will own the Falklands. Try to get over it.
Life goes on.
As Beef says, which is it to be? Court or war?
Decisions, decisions.
It is time to speak PLAINLY on the issue of trade blockade of las malvinas. If this is extended we will be able to STARVE the colonial occupation population into submission and FORCE them to leave their homes.
Sep 06th, 2011 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next we will be required to send war veterans to las malvinas to occupy land. When these are opposed we send in air force and military. This is our final solution to las malvinas problem!
Flip Flop - you are an idiot !
Sep 06th, 2011 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Easily defeeated. We have had blockades before !
You are a bunch of wimps that couldn't win an island if it was offered to you.
You are lucky we didn't caimn the mainland !!
Falklands?” DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM ??
Sep 06th, 2011 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina has put into place a program of sanctions designed to put pressure on the people who live in the Falklands. It has abrogated a 1995 agreement with the Falklands that would have permitted collaboration in the search for oil.
As of February 2010, Argentina’s Decree 256 requires authorization permits for all ships passing through Argentine waters to the Falklands..
An Argentine bill about to become law contemplates sanctions against international companies that operate in Argentina and either intend to participate or are involved in oil-related activities in the Falklands. In the meantime, Britain has protested to Argentina about legitimacy of Decree 256. Britain considers the decree a violation of international law and, , the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. The Falklands, claims that Argentina has imposed a full-fledged sea blockade on the Falklands .And the British government has yet to act, bar a protest,
just as our government appears to discount the warning signs that Argentina is indeed bent on establishing sovereignty and that we may not have the support of the USA and European allies.
defence of the Falklands reminds us that
• the Falkland Islands have been British for 177 years,
• the islanders unanimously wish to remain British,
• the British Government has an absolute moral and legal obligation to defend them
• Whether our government would wish to prevent a second invasion;
• Whether our government is taking this matter seriously;
• whether the government should do more, robustly to deter the argentine from any further aggression .
If the British government wishes to defend its citizens and retain the economic wealth of the Falkland Islands, it must ensure she is powerful enough to deter an invasion by Argentina and any intervention by or with the back up of brazil ..
• This can only be achieved through the timely introduction to s
You were saying......
Sep 06th, 2011 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands?” DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM ??
Sep 06th, 2011 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“part two .
• This can only be achieved through the timely introduction to service of the Queen Elizabeth class carrier.
• prevention and delays are a sign to the Argentine that the UK does not have the resolve to defend what is clearly our right to legally defend, and is thus sending false signals to Argentina
• The domestic political and international repercussions of Britain’s failure to honour its obligations to the Falkland islanders will be very damaging and humiliating it will be widespread, damaging and irreversible
There is already significant intelligence indicating the long-term intention of Argentina with respect to the Falklands, yet there has been no move by the UK government to provide more defensive forces on the Islands, Argentina is already contemplating reducing access to the waters around the Falkland Islands, one cannot say that our government is responding positively.
It is a matter of passionate national pride for the Argentine and there would be no opposition to it. They are concerned that Brazil’s emergence as a world economic and military power will eclipse their own importance, and believe the successful recapture of the “Falklands would do much for their national pride.
Imagine what would happen if a miracle happened and argentine got hold of the oil platforms.
For if the government cannot deter Argentina in its territorial ambition by show of force, then what can it do, the royal navy needs to be seen, and not just heard
Hence the duty of the Falklands island government to pressure the British government to stop the blockade and enforce the rule of international law,
For even with what we have today, it is enough to defeat Argentina and her allies [together] but a show of force is always better as it keeps wannabe dictators firmly in their place, even those who pretend to hide behind white flags of peace .
Just an opinion .,or just a thought,
Not thinking of argies that
This can only be achieved through the timely introduction to s ????
Sep 06th, 2011 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On way around this would be for population of las malvinas to surrender and be repatriated!!!
I propose introduction of final solution! Send in the war veterans to retake their land and remove colonials to be dispatched.
look at part two,
Sep 06th, 2011 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the final bit was just argies being badly advised,
Flipflop - war veterans? Is that your plan to modernize the Argentine military? To send a bunch of middle to old age men who were conscripted thirty years ago (many of whom bear the physical and/or mental scars of being abused by their own officers and humiliated by being comprehensively defeated by a superior fighting force) to occupy the islands.
Sep 06th, 2011 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, what are you going to use to actually get them to the islands?
rowing boats,
Sep 06th, 2011 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 rowing boats carrying 20 men from argentina to the falklands, in the dark [you dont want to be seen or caught]
thats 100 men, times by about 10,000 trips, mmmmm interesting .
Thank the good lord that we have a few ships that will rescue those poor unfortunate Argies. Perhaps they will claim political asylum in the FI? Lots of oil (and after the discussions at today's RKH AGM I am a very happy bunny) and a bright future. Must be tempting compared to living with rampant inflation and a gvt that forces people accused of no crime to undergo medical procedures against their will?
Sep 06th, 2011 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0arriving little soldiers to Malvinas...........
Sep 06th, 2011 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.bbc.uk/news/uk-england-14785437
it seems they dont like the place
dont they carry vegetables too??
Malena, Jajaja, I like the part at 1:10 when they play to arrest a drunk British soldier lost in the hills, at least they didn't arrest a penguin.
Sep 06th, 2011 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can see Filippo has not thought it through properly. Must be his Italian blood. It explains a lot. Like why Italy has been so light on military success in recent centuries and why her list of war heros is so very short...
Sep 06th, 2011 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a note to those Argies who by some skewed analysis believe the UK is bankrupt!
Sep 06th, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is the Brazilian tourist industry advertising itself all the way down the walls of the escalator at Euston Underground station? If we are bankrupt then we Brits don't have the money to travel to Brazil and spend. So Brazil must be wasting it's money. Why when I got off at Monument station were their hordes of people in suits getting on with their jobs in oiling the wheels of the British economy. Surely they are not getting paid as we are bankrupt.
BTW - it is clearly apparent that Argentina can do sod all about oil exploration, appraisal and production in the FI. We had a jolly nice joke about it today! Chuckle chuckle!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14785437
Sep 06th, 2011 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malen, what planet are you on?
Sep 06th, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't ask him that or he will start to claim the rest of the solar system as Argentine sovereign territory.
Sep 06th, 2011 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In my day Pluto was a planet!
beef - are you describing the same London where the disparity between the richest and the poorest now exceeds that of India?
Sep 06th, 2011 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be more specific - the rich in London now have an income estimated to be 262 times more than the poorest.
Fantazum - Yes there are super rich people in London as well as very poor who depend on this thing called the welfare state which acts as a safety net. Tell me about the highly effective welfare state in Argentina?
Sep 06th, 2011 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that London attracts such rich people would be bit odd if we were bankrupt???
Whenever you have a city the size of London then you will see such large inequalities. You will find this is London, Beijing, Rio, Moscow, Seoul and dare I say it Buenos Aires. Inequality is normal and provided the state is there to catch and support the people at the bottom then is not a bad thing as it makes us strive to better ourselves, in many ways.
Now what exactly was the point of your post apart from to state the bleeding obvious?
I visited Buenos Aires once it was like going back in time, I could not believe the difference in wealth between the poor parts of the city and the rich and how the rich look down on the poor. Such is the case in most fascist countries.
Sep 06th, 2011 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I fail to see the relevance of his post. It was just odd and irrelevant. If he wants to see a wealth divide then go to Nairobi!
Sep 06th, 2011 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0beef - you refer to the welfare system.
Sep 06th, 2011 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is this the same welfare system that has produced two generations of people that have been brought up in single-parent homes within a dependency culture that has indocrinated them into an ideology of mindless consumerism , resentment of authority, contempt for those around them?
Two generations that can hardly string a sentence together and leave school functionally illiterate and react violently almost as a reflex action to any percieved slight upon them?
Two generations so ill equipped for life that they are incapable of any valid function within society - and are so ill educated, so emotionally immature - are not even capable of military service?
Out of 1,890 arrested after the riots, 3/4 of them already have criminal records.
Is this the 'utopian' society you are trying to convince yourself exists?
No my friend - Britain has gone. Your future has gone - sacrificed upon the altar of tony blair's dream of an egalitarian, multicultural society brainwashed into serving the interests of what was to be a single party political system funded by unregulated corporate tyranny led by president and dictator blair.
Fantasy - when did I ever refer to the UK as a utopia? Why would I refer to a utopia when all visions of utopia are be default dystopian?
Sep 06th, 2011 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you trying to put words into my mouth or are you incapable of even comprehending what others are actually saying?
How can a future be gone when it has not yet become the present. A future is, what a future is and is dependent on a chaotic alignment of multiple variables.
Your incoherent ramblings do not mask your bigotry and Anglophobia and your attempt to look clever is so superficial it is truly embarrassing. Perhaps apply for a job as a Daily Mail writer?
Now what exactly was the point of your earlier post? You have skirted around that one!
People of the Falklands, if I were you, I would stop reading and commenting about the Argentine army, a colonel and a captain of the same sex will marry each other and a multitude of drag queens and other sick twisted fruits have been celebrating these good news in the streets hahaha the now new official uniform is pink roflmao
Sep 06th, 2011 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most fascist nations military are up to their necks in sadomasochism, high leather boots, tight fitting riding jodhpurs, leather jackets, Nazi type helmets. Look at Hitlers Germany, the SS were the epitome of homo-erotic sadomasochistic culture!
Sep 06th, 2011 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In a few years time I would imagine most of the Argentine Army will have outed itself and they can torcher each other, have bondage sessions in the barracks and talk about their favorite subject “las malvinas” in the showers!
I feel sorry for ordinary Argentines who have to see what their country has become.
beef - the point of my reply to you is quite simple - your country is screwed and I would urge you to surrender the Malvinas peacefully while you still have the opportunity. Surely you do not want to suffer the ultimate humiliation and by extension - final proof that Britain is now a helpless pawn for the multinations - by being forced to relinquish all its claims to the malvinas through its inability to defend it?
Sep 07th, 2011 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your time as a great power is but a memory now Beef and you must accept your new role as a small island, rather insignificant within the new world order.
@69 Not to forget F1 Boss Max Mosley Caught With Five Hookers In “Nazi Orgy”, where's he from anyway?
Sep 07th, 2011 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0My God Fantasy, what are you smoking?
Sep 07th, 2011 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has been humiliated twice before over the Falkland Islands. Anytime you wish to go for the hat trick, fire away :-)
MoreCrap from MoreCRap I see - your point is ?
Actually fantasy your initial post was some poor and odd attempt to suggest London was screwed because it has inequality.
Sep 07th, 2011 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0When that was exposed you tried to look smart by using some form of blunt sociological analysis. It just made you look stupid as it was clear you didn't have a clue what you were talking about.
When that was espoxed the you resort to “pawn to the multinations” and “new world order”, “your country is screwed” and “surrender now”.
Just read over your last post and you will realize that you are another deluded Argie with and inflated vision if his own importance. You think the world actually cares about some windswept islands in the South Atlantic?
So we say “no” to negotiation and “no” to “surrender”. What are you going to do about it?
“What are you going to do about it?”
Sep 07th, 2011 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Launch a personal attack against you Beef, because that's all he can do.
He can launch as many personal attacks against me as he wishes. Clearly masturbation is not sufficicent to release all that pent up Argie aggression.
Sep 07th, 2011 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0His personal attacks don't change the fact that oil production in the FI is just around the corner and poor Argentina is legally and militarily powerless to do anything about it. Pity, they couldn't have woken up and works with us on it, they could have done very well out of it. There are some Intelligent Argies that will at least have bought into it and will make a tidy sum for their families when the oil flows to market.
At the AGM yesterday the oil is confirmed as Brent like and therefore refining can be achieved in the US, Europe or East Asia with massive upside £££££££££££££££££££££!
23 Tron: “I wonder for how long the UK will be willing to keep on spending millions for the “protection” and sustainability of the islanders. this situation is, in the long term, unsustainable”
Sep 07th, 2011 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK won't be able to pay £30 million to station troops at the base and its upkeep?!?!?!
Your having a laugh mate :) even if we had to subsidise the entire islands thats still only 45 million........
In order for Argentina to make it unsustainable for us in the long term to keep islands you would need to make us spend billions sustaining the islands before people sat up and took notice, but because Argentinas GDP is fully 3/4 less than ours, you would need to spend the equivalent of 10% of your entire countries GDP just to try and make it cost us 1%.....now I wonder how long the people of Argentina would agree to having 10% of the budget being put towards trying to make a country with inherently more capital at its disposal hand over a group of windswept islands hundreds of miles away from Argentina.....
It just ain't gonna happen Tron :)
[] - Beef
Sep 07th, 2011 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0you are very very right .....
to grow veg & eggs is not enough for FI , however they also need
beef & edible oil ...etc !!
Oh no! you mean Argentina will miss out on a whole 15 people buying their vegetables?! what a loss!! lol
Sep 07th, 2011 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0if argentina or indeed its dedicated bloggers, was not worried, then why do they go on and on about them,
Sep 07th, 2011 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0the reason is simple , they fear what they fail to understand, they throw mud to the wind, bring up the past, condemm the empire,
anything they can think of, to get a reaction,they refuse to answer questions, but very quickly change the subject,
for a country that claims it is not frightend, its doing a very good job of reminding us, [sooner or later they will get their wish]
mmmm
Even better, they are unable to read or understand your posts. They seam to create a habitus of truth which they make up based on no credible information and post irrelevant ramblings.
Sep 07th, 2011 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keep drilling boys, bring that black stuff to market!
ironicly
Sep 07th, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the more you push
the more independent they will become,
the more you isolate them
the more they will do themselves with out help.
the more you abuse them
the more they will stay british,
the more you carry this obsesion with them.
the more they will hate you.
have you thought over a different approach
leave them alone perhaps, and give up this ghost of yours .
@ 81 wrong, because the falklanders don't hate, if they did that they wouldn't be able to do what they are doing, taking care of themselves. They would be wasting their lives but they are not doing that, it's plain to see that they are creating something good for themselves. You're right when you say that they will do better and better without help. 3000 committed people creating a good place to live and to progress. I admire them for being able to do what they are doing in spite of the hate and the obstacles. Out of nothing they have created something good that has lasted for more than 170 years. It takes courage.
Sep 07th, 2011 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 82 , here here. Why don't you campaign for a sunshine policy towards the FI.
Sep 07th, 2011 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Argentina will never be able to exercise its claim to sovereignty then a progressive and pragmatic foreign policy is the logical way forward.
It takes courage
Sep 07th, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they have this ?
@ 83 lol I would if I could, but the best decision tha falklanders can make is to continue to live their lives without expecting a change in the argentine policy towards them. I don't think there will be a change at least not with this government, maybe in the next decade perhaps.
Sep 07th, 2011 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As long as Argentina has the Falklands in their constitution,
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their can never be any negotiations,
Perhaps Argentina does not understand this,
Perhaps her moles should email her, just a gentle reminder.
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