MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentine threat to air link is “act of desperation” says Faklands’ lawmaker
If Argentina goes through with its threat to suspend the Falklands/ Chile airlink it will be an, “act of desperation,” said Member of Legislative Assembly Jan Cheek quoted by the Friday edition of the Falklands’ Penguin News. Read full article
Comments
Disclaimer & comment rulesJan Cheek said: it would also harden Falkland Islanders attitudes towards Argentina...
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0So what? Who cares about what they think? One day the Argentinian flag will be flying over Puerto Argentino again (nothing last forever) and if the pirates decendents want to have our passport they can, if not they can always go back ''incestshire'' to have a little farm, nobody will miss them, well... sheep maybe 8º)
“ Who cares about what they think?”
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0How very typical of the minority brainwashed Argentines. “Who cares about the people that live there legally. We want it”. Narcissist, much.
@2: You are wrong! They been implanted by a ex-wanna be- colonial power and obviously before 1982 the Northem Islander (AKA UK) didnt really care about what they thought or how they lived... Dont you think?
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0[] -2
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0your all comments are male comments not female ...!!
I have to laugh when some Argentine calls me a descendent of a pirate or a squatter, so the Falkland Islands as about 2000+ squatters, that's not a lot when compared to the 40 million squatters living in the Argentine,
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is amusing that people still believe the British Empire exists; like the Roman and Spanish empires, it is long gone. Replaced by a modern system allowing BOTs to decide their own fate. They can be self-governing or independent. Their choice. This model is totally supported by the UN.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina seems set on colonising when the rest of the world has moved on.
@ 4 You should check out www.looneybonkersconspiracytheory.com. You would feel right at home there.
Are we bovvered?
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0No.
@5: You are wrong! My great grandfather came to Buenos Aires in the wake of the 20th century from Italy like the mayority of Us, they weren't implanted by a crude ex-colonial power. We cannot say the same about the kelpers
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear Ruby, how misinformed you are, still believing your Governments propoganda rubbish I see.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your ancesters WERE implanted by the Spanish, some may have immigrated later, but Argentina was established as a Spanish colony.
Argentina then continued to colonise Patagonia by means of force, so please do NOT deny you are an implanted nation.
The Falkland Islanders were not implanted, they are a colony built over many years of immigration. Maybe you should read up on the difference between implanted and immigrant.
CockRubin - Argentina sets great store by Jewett, but he was a 'pirate' - “ ... On July 27th Jewett attacks the Portuguese ship Carlota which is en-route to Lisbon. This is regarded as an act of piracy...”
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1772-1822/
So what ARE you? Italian or Argentine ? Implant?
Mmm, a 20th Century immigrant to Argentina, claims to have more rights to a land his country has never possessed than the people who emigrated there in the mid-19th Century.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His ancestors emigrated but others were “implanted”. Emigration to the Falklands Islands was strictly voluntary.
Does that not strike you as two-face hypocrisy?
Rubino....I see your 4 generations of Argentine heritage and raise you with my 7 generations of Falklands heritage. My great, great, great, great, great Grandfather arrived to live and work in the Falklands in the 1860s. And his ancestory has remained in the Islands with me and my family.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody implanted the Falkland Islanders Rubino. Their ancestors went there of their own free will, just like yours went to Argentina. It's a bit of an irony that a 4th generation immigrant Argentine like you is telling 8th and 9th generation immigrant Falkland Islanders that they have no rights. It's laughable...
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suuuure...
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The book The last Colonies by Robert Aldrich and John Connell page 200
1833 ' The Brithish commander raise the Union Jack, claimed possession of the islands and expelled the Argentinians.
”The Falklands officially became a Crown colony in 1840, a governor and a few Scotsmen arrived to establish a British pastoral settlement. Argentina hotly disputed the Brithish takeover, and Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands”
To the comments above: The kelpers are the result of colonianism, they were impalnted by the British crown after the 1833 inavsion, to set up a Colony witch continues today. Before that, the Islands were under ARGENTINE control. Thats how it was and that's how history remembers it.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Britain)I told you once
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I told you twice
Ouch, no more airlink
Got it?
Good :-)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/8784049/Diego-Maradona-kicks-a-fan-in-Dubai.html
1832 - On August 31st, the Admiralty in London issue orders to Rear-Admiral Baker at Rio de Janeiro, requiring the islands to be visited, “Whereas Viscount Palmerston one of H.M. Principle Secretaries of State has signified to us the Kings Pleasure, that one of H.M. ships should be ordered to proceed to Port Egmont in the Falkland Islands for the purpose of exercising His rights of sovereignty there ...”
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1823-1833/
Thanks MoreCrap, looks like Commander Onslow obeyed his orders fully :-)
You author apparently didn't notice the gap in protests between 1849 and 1884. After the Treaty whereby Argentina recognised that the Falklands were British :-)
No Rubino, thats how you and your fellow Argentines see it. Reality sees the situation completely different. Seriously do some reading other than thats produced by your Government. As many others have proved on here, Argentina's version of history is easily proved wrong.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that you, being a 4th generation Argentine, believes you have more rights over the Falklands than me, a 7th generation Falkland Islander, is completely absurd and completely illogical. Just like your country's claim.
As the UN states, self-determination is paramount and is applied to everyone. No exceptions.
It's a little ironic that one 4th generation immigrant from Argentina and you are saying to 8 and 9 island generation immigrants who have no rights. It is to laugh ...
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not to take it to laughter. Quite the contrary. The Islanders have rights as applicable to all human beings, and even living in the islands, nobody expelled. The problem is that they can be English in Argentine territory, it is very clear
“The kelpers are the result of colonianism”
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's no denying that, it doesn't mean they don't have rights. Just like all Argentines who descend from Spaniards who went there before independence are also the result of colonialism.
“they were impalnted by the British crown after the 1833 inavsion”
Perhaps you can show us some evidence for this claim. Because all the recorded evidence available at the moment suggests exactly the opposite. The ancestors of current Falkland Islanders when there of their own free will. Not all of them were even British, there were many Scandinavians, Spaniards and others amongst them.
“Before that, the Islands were under ARGENTINE control”
The Buenos Aires garrison was there from late September 1832 to early January 1833. Not even 4 months. Buenos Aires was not part of the United Provinces at the time. The garrison was protested by the British representative at Buenos Aires. So no, they Falklands were not under Argentine control by any definition.
“Thats how it was and that's how history remembers it.”
Recorded history, contemporary accounts etc all say the opposite. That's not how it was. Perhaps you should open your eyes, do a bit of your own research, establish the facts, before telling everyone “how it was”, because you are demonstrably incorrect.
who is this old laddie ???
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The problem is that they can be English in Argentine territory, it is very clear”
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They're British Raul, not English. And the Falklands have never been Argentine. It's unlikely they ever will be...
Laddie? Did you mean a small boy Hipolyte? Maybe you did...
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/laddie
(Britain)I told you once
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I told you twice
Ouch, no more airlink
Got it?
Good :-)
Have you told their folks twice?
Cementerio Argentino En Darwin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ery2p4ZUtEY
[] -13
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0here came the expected confession...which explains no people at FI ..
8th/ 9th generations at FI in ~ 200 years ????
200/8..9 = 20 ..25 years life time per person !!
this number almost equal to cats' not humans'
if there are 3500 cats at FI ....!!
we live in what a strange world where have cat farms countries..
cats' self determination rights....oil drilling cats farm around ....etc...
beyond the laughable ...
Apparently if we don’t do as Argentina says
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will get really tough
AND I MEAN TOUGH
They will erm ,um
Refuse to look at the union jack at the embassy,
And erm um, refuse to talk to anyone from Britain,
Erm um,
Ban east enders and coronation street,
Erm um
Ban all references to the British in any Argentinean newspapers,
Erm um,
More later erm um .
,
Argentina told one,two,the third,we just cut your throats..
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brits cemetery at Malvinas
http://falklandislands.com/contents/view/101/about-falklands/history/history-of-the-falklands
Burning of the sir galahad
http://falklandislands.com/contents/view/101/about-falklands/history/history-of-the-falklands
such childish remarks from an uneducated blogger
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he who knows he is defeaded, clings to the afterlife,
but lacks the guts to instigate and arrive early ??
“The Islanders have rights as applicable to all human beings”
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Self determination is one of those rights you speak of.
#1 Rubino84
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Jan Cheek said: it would also harden Falkland Islanders attitudes towards Argentina...
So what? Who cares about what they think? One day the Argentinian flag will be flying over Puerto Argentino again (nothing last forever) ”
Indeed it doesn't. Your flag flying over Port Stanley lasted just 2 months and 12 days before the Union Flag was restored to its rightful place.
mind you, if argentina keeps this obsesion up, it just might break up into 3 regions, thats 3 flags you know,
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps one region patagonia, might even consider a little union jack in the corner of there new flag,
and interesting thought is it not,
24 geo
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A generation isn't the same thing as a lifetime you idiot.
You can easily have four generations alive at the same time.
sometimes even 5 generations
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0such childish remarks from an uneducated blogger
Sep 24th, 2011 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0he who knows he is defeaded, clings to the afterlife,
but lacks the guts to instigate and arrive early
I know,chetah,but you should not talk so much about yourself...the other britss idiot,placed the link before.....
an uneducated blogger
Sep 24th, 2011 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0he who knows he is defeaded,
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony
:-))))
33 Malvinero1
Sep 24th, 2011 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your educated meanings never cease to surprise,
I take it you have not heard of 5 generations,
It is quite different from 4 generations,
But as this was to complicated for you,
Then your assessment must be observed, [DITTO]
,
More of the tipical myopi of the politicians, who only blame the others, and do any critic of their postures.
Sep 24th, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont agree on the restriction or suspentions of flies, in case that they finally happen, but the islanders and the u. k., will have to realise some day that as long as they keep on conditioning to resume the negotiations, it's expectable that we have more problems in the future, the solution to the conflict can't depend only on the wishes of the islanders, beside c. f. k. was very clear when she said in her statement what our governement expects from the u. k.
She said: We are not asking the u. k. to accept sovereignty talks straight away, we are asking the u. k. to comply with the u. n. resolutions. This is what i have been arguing for the last two years that i get into this forum.
None resolution affirms that the u. k. should transfer the sovereignty to argentina, they only call both nations to resume the negotiations.
[] - 31 Monteneros
Sep 24th, 2011 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your saying can be true only for cats ...!!
Axel - yes appreciate what you are trying to say. But- The Arg Govt has made it 100% clear time and time again - that Sovereignty Negotiations
Sep 24th, 2011 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0can only have ONE outcome - full handover of the Islands to Argentina!
Even you must realize surley that nobody under any circumstances would sit down with the other side over any dispute under those conditions - its like two people saying- we have an argument - Ok lets discuss it - but one lays down the precondition that the only result is that that one wins!!
People/Countries etc sit down to negotiate over something - to try and find a MUTUAL acceptable agreement - that means both sides end up giving a bit to achieve a result they can both feel is a reasonable result.
How can we Islanders ever sit down across the table from the Arg Govt who clearly states many times:
1- the Islands have to become part of Argentina as laid down in the Arg Constitution.
2 We are an irrelevant population with no rights to have any say in our future!(even though many of us have been here for longer than millions of Argentines have been in Argentina!)
3 Continues to bully and economically and socially threaten us wherever it possibly can.
@36 Is there any chance you will ever learn to speak, or at least type, meaningful English? Don't bother with asking us to learn the gibberish that you ape colonies use. If you can't speak/type a proper civilised language the least you could do is nothing, you dago divot.
Sep 24th, 2011 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why oh why do you uneducated, uncivilised, wa**ers elect a c*nt with less brain than an amoeba? Sorry, I forgot. She's brighter than you are. Probably brings her up to the level of a British 5-year old.
Now here's a couple of truths. In the last 30 years, Britain's capabilities have increased. Argies have nothing to match what Britain can do. Want to put a TAM medium tank up against a Challenger 2? Want to put your fighters up against out Typhoons?
The Argentine constitution makes a specific declaration about Argentine sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. Isn't going to happen. Not ever. I reckon around 80% of the UK population of 62 million would gladly take up arms, traval to the Falklands and kill argie invaders. That's about 48 million people that don't like you or your mendacious and spurious claims.
Trust me on this. The British people are about to FORCE British politicians to do what the people want. From the perspective of the people argie animals have two choices. Give up your stupid, mendacious claims. OR die.
Your choice!
in 1776 ...british expelled from region
Sep 24th, 2011 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in 1806 ...british attack on to invade La Plata
in 1807 ...brits are expelled from this region again
in 1811/15 ...spaniards withdrwan from region
1816 ...argentina independent declaration
1831 ...brits uses us american warships to destroy the islands
1833 ...brits invade the islands (the revenge of 1806/07)
thisis exactly formal piracy ..not anything else !!
the earth is fading away, in three days an earthquake will destroy half the world.
Sep 24th, 2011 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they dont matter what argentina can do, then why do they answer it...
Sep 24th, 2011 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its very funny to hear that argentina brokes the pacts for example about fishing...when there are a low amount of fishes...argentina suspend the fishing but in the islands they give even more and more concessions to fishing companies....and after that they are so hypocrites that they blame argentina...
argentina was nice with the islanders...there are even islanders visiting and living in the continental part of argentina...they used to use our hospitals and how do they pay us, braking the international laws unilaterally...and then when argentina change because the uk is braking the international laws...they say we are evil...ok then i prefer to being evil and make your life miserable than give you amenities while they stab us in the back...
typicle rubbish blame the british
Sep 24th, 2011 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina the model society,
typicle rubbish blame the british
Sep 25th, 2011 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0argentina the model society
Go to bed, cheetah britton!! Even as a poet your are boring..
CFK seems to forget that the July 99 Agreement was not only about air services from Chile, but also allowing Argentine passport holders into the Falklands. If she tears that up, no more Argie passport holders allowed into the Falklands...
Sep 25th, 2011 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's see if she actually has the balls to do it, or if this is just pre-election talk for the consumption of brainwashed Argentines.
ISLANDER1 and all the rest of the people in this forum.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In all the oportunities that i argued that the solution to the conflict can't depend only on the wishes of the islanders, you have always answered me what our constitution says respecting our claim, and i have always asnwered you also that our constitution can say whatever, if both countries are called to negotiate, by the decolonization committee, both will have to cede in some aspects of their pretentions, i dont know exactly what the two nations can cede, but it's obvious that notwithstanding the negotiations are resumed, the islands wont never be only under argentine sovereignty, you dont have to be so smart to realise of it.
On the other hand, if some of you think that we are adoctrinated people, who are brainwashed and who parrot argentine propaganda, let me tell you that if i were as mediocre as some of you, i would say exactly the same about you, however i respect you opinions, no matter if you agree or not with me, but unfortunatelly some of you dont know what respect is, that's why you understimate us, and in our side some does the same with the islanders, which is pathetic.
Axel, you seem to be struggling with the fact that self determination is imposed by international law, it is a right referred to in every UN resolution regarding the Falklands and decolonisation in general, it is a key principle of the UN Charter, and other agreements mentioned several times which BOTH the UK AND Argentina have RATIFIED. As much as you would like to believe otherwise, self determination is not something the UK can use as a negotiating position.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As both the UK AND Argentina are OBLIGED under international law to respect and uphold the Falkland Islanders' right to self determination, negotiations can only proceed on that basis. Self determination is not something the UK can concede, and it is not something which can be limited by a territorial claim. There is no way you can spin your way around this Axel.
BOTH the UK AND Argentina are both obliged to respect and uphold the right to self determination for the Falkland Islanders. If Argentina does not accept that, then Argentina is in breech of international law, the UN Charter and a whole raft of UN Resolutions.
Also, you try very hard to deflect from the fact that your President is bound by the Argentine constitution. She has sworn to uphold it. Until the Argentine constitution is changed to remove the Falkland Island and SGSSI claims, it will be impossible for Argentina to negotiate in good faith.
TWIMC
Sep 25th, 2011 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't matter what they call themselves, what you call them or what we call them.
They know what they are, you know what they are and we know what they are.
Most important, the UN and the rest of the world know what they are.
They are British citizens occupying disputed territory and as such not entitled to Self-determination.
“They are British citizens occupying disputed territory and as such not entitled to Self-determination.”
Sep 25th, 2011 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to which UN Resolution?
44 Malvinero1 (#)
Sep 25th, 2011 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0typical rubbish blame the British
Argentina the model society
A drill bores,
But argentines like you,
Just talk talk and more talk,
Malvinero1, the argentine man of the moment,
Knows the truth, but chooses to ignore the truth,
Indoctrinated deluded, and silly,
Axel,
Sep 25th, 2011 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I agree with you in that if there were ever to be negotiations of course we would need to take into account and consider an Arg position - that is the whole ethos of genuine negotiations - you end up with something both sides can accept and then live with - you dont need to be an Einstein to figure out that for the Falklands it would be Independence as that would remove what you side refers to as the “Colonial British Presence in the SW Atlantic” and from our side we have exercised our right of Selfdetermination and Freedom of Choice.
Ever since 1982 Arg has made it so easy for the Islands and UK toi refuse to talk - because Arg demands impossible preconditions - the end result predetermined as only Arg sovereignty.
Now if the Kischeners had any sense they would take that bit out od the Constitution and talk only about “Sovereignty Talks with an Open Agenda” and stop the economic bullyboy tactics. Then it would become very difficult for the Islands and UK to refuse to talk - luckily for us the chances of a sensible Kirchener are about zero percent!
Sorry Argentina we now have no choice but to keep Falklands under UK juristriction. Your threat to close down the flight between Falklands and Chile violates the Human right of Chilean expat workers to a family life. The EU takes Human rights very very seriously and after this brazen threat to violate Human rights would most likely insist UK kept the Islands to safeguard those rights in the same way it insists UK allow certain people to stay in UK when actually we'd like them to leave. Sorry Argentine you've always violated the UK version of Human rights for decades now you've threatened to violate the EU version of Human rights which unless I'm mistaken applies on all ships and territories under the flag of EU member states. My God I spoke in support of the EU Human rights act.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sadly mate
Sep 25th, 2011 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0these indocrinated argentines, dont understand human rights,
only argentine human rights, and listening to argentina bloggers on here, they have not broken any rules .
Maybe we should start to threaten Argentine air links with the Commonwealth?
Sep 25th, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They are British citizens occupying disputed territory and as such not entitled to Self-determination.”
Sep 26th, 2011 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Prove it.
Please.
THE ILLEGAL PIRATE POPULATION OF LAS MALVINAS ARE SUB HUMANS AND ARE NOT RECOGNIZED BY ARGENTINE CONSTITUTION.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0THEY MUST BE STARVED OUT. THEY HAVE THREE OPTIONS ONLY!
WE DO NOT CARE WHERE THEY GO. WE DO NOT CARE IF THEY DIE. WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THEM. THEY ARE NOT ARGENTINE.
THEY IS PIRATES.
Please be quiet Flippers, you are disturbing the other inmates.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fillipo we know argentina couldn't care less about the rights of the Falklanders. You don't need to advertise the fact you don't care about their Democratic rights.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine diplomacy manual (An idiots guide)
Sep 26th, 2011 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dealing with a dispute with another country:
1.1 Take out revolver.
1.2 Load revolver.
1.3 Point revolver at foot.
1.4 Repeatedly shoot foot.
1.5 Repeat this process several times over the course of the decade.
2. If steps 1.1-1.5 do not succeed sit sourly in the corner, and then attempt again.
Argentine election manual.
1.1 Blame the British.
1.2 Blame the British.
1.3 Blame the British.
1.4 (Refer to procedure 1.1 as stated in the Argentine diplomacy manual)
1.5 Bribe voters.
1.6 Blame the British.
1.7 Make another national holiday to do with the Falklands.
1.8 Blame the British.
1.9 Blame oil rigs.
2. If procedures 1.1-1.9 do not work please refer to Diplomacy procedure 1.1.
flippers
Sep 26th, 2011 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why aint you dead yet
we thought you were willing to DIE for your beloved emporess,
ah we forgot, its just all talk talk .
ISLANDER1. J. A. ROBERT. and all the rest of the people in thos forum.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really think that there is nothing more important than the resolutions from the u. n., that's why i have always argued that our constitution can say whatever, but none of those resolutions ask the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, they only call the two nations to negotiate a peacefull solution, no more, and the solution to the conflict can't depend only on the wishes of the islanders, beside, read again this article where c. f. k. says what her government expects from the u. k. and you'll realise what's the posture of it.
Meantime i really think that the only one solution for this conflict, is to take te question to the i. c. j, in the same way that the u. k. suggested argentina in 1947 that it would accept to take the question of the dependencies to the court, it should do the same now, but with the malvinas-falklands dispute, argentina had proposed the u. k. in 1885 to take the problematic to arbitration, but it rejected that posibility, however, after the 1982 conflict none of the two parts decided to give that step, i think that if they dont do it, it's because atcually both are not sure that their cases are going to triunf in the court, only a judgement from the court can say what country has better rights, and if self determination is really applicable or not, however if nor argentina nor the u. k. are going to take the question to the arbitration, the right thing to do, is to resume the negotiations like the u. n. solicit, all the rest are just excuses.
61 axel arg (#)
Sep 26th, 2011 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.
, but none of those resolutions ask the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, [correct]
they only call the two nations to negotiate a peacefull solution, no more, and the solution to the conflict can't depend only on the wishes of the islanders////,
[again correct, but do you believe in democracy, i.e. majority vote,
Then, Argentina would be out voted 2-1, democracy in progress. ]
Meantime I really think that the only one solution for this conflict, is to take the question to the [ICJ], in the same way that the u. k. suggested////
[AGREED]
, in the court, only a judgement from the court can say what country has better rights, and if self determination is really applicable or not,
[So you agree that it should go to the ICJ, so why does not your argentine do so,,,,
[And as for your constitution,
As you say, you can put in it what you like,
[So can we] but Argentina would most certainly object, so your theory here is fails apprehension ??
“... an act of desperation”?
Sep 26th, 2011 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A spoiled child´s sulkiness, I´d rather say.
I must warn you, dear neighbours. Most of my countrymen/women know the history as they learnt it at school, without even suspecting, in many cases, that this history was manipulated in order to serve to private interests. This version of history has been tought in Argentina for over a century, and every time a research has taken place to bring out new information, it is rejected. An example of this is a book written by H. García Hamilton in which he exposed that José de San Martín was, in fact, an illegitimate son of Carlos María de Alvear and an aboriginal girl.
My country is like a teenager, focused more on “what I would like it to be” than in what it is, so, please, be patient.
They never reply
Sep 26th, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never do their home work
Never listen
Want what is not theirs,
Perhaps it would help to change teachers .
justa thought .
Only the teachers? Ha, ha! You are too kind!
Sep 26th, 2011 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHAT RESOLUTION????
Sep 26th, 2011 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHERE WAS UN IN 1982? WHERE WAS US IN 1982? WHERE WAS EU IN 1982? WHERE WAS COMMONWEALTH IN 1982? THEY ALL SIDED WITH UK! WHEN HAVE THEY EVER SUPPORTED ARGENTINA?
UN HAS PASSED NO RESOLUTION, THEY ARE OWNED BY QUEEN!!!!
Hi all, I think we should review the historical facts
Sep 27th, 2011 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas Islands, which belonged to Spain, passed by right of succession to membership of the United Provinces of Río de la Plata, the initial name of Argentina. This, in assertion of his rights, took formal possession of the same on November 6, 1820. The Marine David Jewett, commander of the ship “HEROIN” hoisted the blue and white flag in the ruins of Port Soledad (ex port San Luis).
For this action, the ship had privileges of “ship of the Argentine state.”
The occupation of the Falkland Islands was made in all seriousness.
The foregoing is the basis for Argentina's rights in the legal and historical, being heirs and successors of the Spanish possessions in the South Atlantic island.
It is appropriate to note that when British usurped the Islands in January 1833 was Argentina's population. Its habitants were taken prisoner and landed in Montevideo. A little later came the first Kelpers who settled on lands confiscated from their original and rightful occupants. Another precedent that illustrates that were expelled from Malvinas is the Gaucho Rivero's rebellion in August 1833, seconded by Argentinian's Creoles and Indians. The resistance culminated in January 1834.
Nothing more for now
Goodbye
Didn't the United Provinces of Río de la Plata also claim Alta California (what is now California, Nevada, Arizona and Utah) based on one of their corsairs having occupied Monterey for six days in 1817?
Sep 27th, 2011 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello Rufus,
Sep 27th, 2011 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Notice that they do not teach no history of South America.
-On May 25, 1810 the people of Buenos Aires started the May Revolution, which overthrew and expelled the Viceroy Cisneros, choosing instead a governing board made up mostly of Creoles.
-On July 9, 1816, in San Miguel de Tucumán, a congress of deputies from the provinces of northwestern and central-west of the country and Buenos Aires, along with some exiled members of Upper Peru, announced the independence of the United Provinces of South America.
-In 1820 the government of Buenos Aires sent a frigate to take ownership and assert their rights in the Falklands, as a succession of Spain. Since 1823 Luis Maria Vernet gave the exploitation of island resources.
- On June 10, 1829 created the Political and Military Command of the Falkland Islands based in the Malvinas Islands and jurisdiction over adjacent to Cape Horn.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:10_Pesos.jpg
- On August 30, 1829 Port Louis Vernet founded.
- On January 2, 1833 came the British warship HMS Clio, the command of Captain John James Onslow, takes possession of the islands for the King of England.
- On August 26, 1833, six months after the British occupied by force, the Gaucho Rivero led a rebellion of Creoles and Indians, ignoring the imposed authority of the British.
Nothing more for now
Goodbye
years of Kirchnerism.
Sep 30th, 2011 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.realclearworld.com/articles/2011/04/21/argentinas_kirchner_channels_chavez_99486.html
.
Commenting for this story is now closed.
If you have a Facebook account, become a fan and comment on our Facebook Page!