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UK relation with OTs (including Falklands) is based on ‘the choices of the peoples’
The United Kingdom relationship with the Overseas Territories “is based on the choices of the peoples” said Monday British representative Philip Parham before the UN Fourth Committee on Decolonization in response to several statements from Latin American delegates regarding the Falkland Islands and sovereignty discussions with Argentina. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat a biased statement of facts Mercopress! It seems that you are leaving many things outside... And the UK statement you quote was not a reply according to UN sources! This is a clear proof of who finances this “independent” news agency!
Oct 04th, 2011 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2011/gaspd478.doc.htm
Alejandro. Get some new glasses. Where exactly in the article above does it even use the word “reply”?
Oct 04th, 2011 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing I can see is clear proof of your paranoia and nothing else...
Not rally, not paranoia at all. Guat. Seems to be you. the referente to the Islands in the title, in brackets is so funy! I wonder if the UK guy said that phrase that way!
Oct 04th, 2011 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can laugh your head off at the title Alejandro. I don't give a continental. The fact is you still can't find the word “reply” in the article, and you are still paranoid...
Oct 04th, 2011 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0English native speakers be aware that in “response” to is
Oct 04th, 2011 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the same as in “reply” to. LOL
“No effort should be spared to fulfil the dream of all peoples to self-determination” Ms Miculescu said, was the message to the Fourth Committee of the United Nations.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So......any doubts ????? Has any one of the UN C4 heard the wishes of those that are living on the islands for up to 9th generation ??? Has been indigenous population displaced from the island that can argue for their rigths against those living there today ???
No other claims or rules matter when self determination of the people is involved......Please, hear them....
And..... Argentina continental shelf ???? 350 miles away from its coast ??? May be South Africa has to take care because the continental shelf could reach its coast too !!!!
Mr. Errazuriz has made a mistake forgetting those principles whe he made his speech.....
There was no indigenous population in 1833. Just some settlers with British permission, and a garrison that did not have British permission.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The latter was asked to leave.
Seems fair enough.
As for geography .... it's irrelevant. Remember!
Yes, but Alejandro “response” might mean the same thing as “reply”, but you used “reply” and it's not in the article. It just shows that you are not bothered about detail and facts (and that you're just a little paranoid).
Oct 04th, 2011 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said Sergio. When it comes to self determination everything else is irrelevant. Nothing can limit the right to self determination. The Falkland Islanders have the right to self determination according to the UN Charter. Argentina ratified that same Charter. What is Argentina's problem? Can't Argentina stick to any agreements at all?
I remember Resolution 31/49.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And then Argentina invaded.
It is sheer nonsense for Chile's Government to be promoting Argentina's senile colonialism in the UN's bla, bla “Decolonization” Committee . Why on earth FIG & FCO participate in such useless underdeveloped exchanges?
Oct 04th, 2011 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not defending the normal human rights of the Falkland Islanders for free circulation on the air and at sea instead? The right places would be, of course, the UN's International Civil Aviation Organisation, situated in Montreal, and the International Maritime Organisation, which is not far from the Foreign Office in London. Those two Organisations should be made aware of the constant “marranadas” perpetrated by backward Argentina against the free and peaceful Falkland Islanders.
Philippe
Interesting to note the way in which members of the United Nations refers always and every moment on the islands with his correct name Malvinas (in 17 opportunities in the official document of the UN)
Oct 04th, 2011 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2011/gaspd478.doc.htm
and instead ... there is only one mention in all document to Falkland Islands....of course UK is the only one that calls that way those islands.
Is a clear indication of the position taken by the group of countries in a beautiful and harmonious phrase in the concert of nations ...MALVINAS ARGENTINAS.
I dont think it is particularly interesting so_far. Your cronies are only abiding by your country's orders. You seem to fail to see that your cronies are pact into C24. So it is not particular interesting, it is just how it always is. But it is good to see that you are making every attempt to reassure yourself and your country's illegitimate claim. And by using your interpretation, I feel comfort that the UN refers to my home as the Falkland Islands and not to mention the EU too.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The United Kingdom relationship with the Overseas Territories “is based on the choices of the peoples”
Oct 04th, 2011 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suuure, like the Chagossians.
Hypocrites and liars
“Chile’s representative, on behalf of the Rio Group, urged resumption of negotiations regarding the Malvinas islands to find a peaceful and definitive solution as soon as possible to that dispute, as well as to the questions of sovereignty over South Georgia and South Sandwich islands and surrounding maritime areas.
He further said that the actions of the United Kingdom in exploring and exploiting hydrocarbons in areas of the Argentine continental shelf ran counter to General Assembly resolution 31/49, which called on the parties to avoid unilateral modifications to the Territory before a resolution could be reached”
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/gaspd478.doc.htm
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Oct 04th, 2011 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...Your cronies are only abiding by your country's orders..”
a bit offensive from your side call all those LatAm friend countries that way....
What about USA ?
“Significantly, the resolution referred to the “Malvinas” Islands, and not the Falkland Islands, its official, internationally recognised name, another snub to the British position. Washington is acutely aware of the sensitivities involved in the use of “Malvinas”, and the British government launched an official protest over its use by a senior State Department official at a press conference..”
Do you think Argentina have THAT power......to order USA how to call those islands ? even the Russians and Chinesse call Malvinas Islands.....
hmm...come on, you can do better than that my dear squatter :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYeFcSq7Mxg
Oct 04th, 2011 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#15 :)
Oct 04th, 2011 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don´t know if cry or laugh.....im confussed.
“The United Kingdom relationship with the Overseas Territories “is based on the choices of the peoples”
Oct 04th, 2011 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suuure, like the Chagossians.
Hypocrites and liars
LIE: “We inherited the Falklands from Spain
LIE: ”The UK expelled the Argentine population
Hypocrisy: For Argentina to continue to complain that another country stole its territory after it had stolen territory that it didn't own: The Pampa, Patagonia, Tierra del Fuego.
While we condemn what the British government has done to the Chagossians, you support your government's lies and hypocrisy, making you a liar and a hypocrite.
@5 “response” isn't there either, dickhead.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please note Romania’s Simona Mirela Miculescu, who currently holds the chair of the committee.
“No effort should be spared to fulfil the dream of all peoples to self-determination”
So Argentina's suggestion that the people of the Falkland Islands should not have self-determination is a load of bollox
Also, a small matter of “uti possidetis”. Territory or property belongs to the party in possession at the end of a conflict. Weren't Britain and the Falkland Islanders in possession of the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands on 14 June 1982 when Argentina surrendered?
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Oct 04th, 2011 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The United Kingdom relationship with the Overseas Territories “is based on the choices of the peoples”
Suuure, like the Chagossians.
YES Hypocrites and liars
You didn't inherited anything, you stole countries around the World by the sword not but the truth.
Nobody believes the British lies anymore.
marcos, we have never claimed to have inherited anything. You are the ones making that claim, not us.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you completely missed my point about hypocrisy. Which doesn't surprise me given the crap reading comprehension skills many malvinists like you have. In those days many countries got territories by means of conquest or subjugation or annexation. The UK did, France did, Spain did, Argentina did, the US did, etc did. Even the indigenous nations of the Americas, of Africa, of Asia were doing it both before and after the arrival of Europeans in their continents. Argentina's hypocrisy, and yours, does not lie in the fact that it conquered territory, as this was no different from what many other countries were doing at the time. No, Argentina's hypocrisy, and yours, lies in the fact that Argentina, and you, has continued to complain about lost territories even after it had joined the ranks of countries that had stolen territory that didn't belong to them.
and surrounding maritime areas.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how do you lay claim to a sea that moves,
we could go on all night, but if argentina refuses to listed to the truth, rather than propergander, then you may be wasting your time,
there are tow kinds of peoples in the world
one who backs it up
one who just talks,
british peoples back it up,
what does the argentine peoples do
[talk][talk][talk] next
to 20 argentina has stolen territory that didnt belong to them david the clown??
Oct 04th, 2011 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0here comes the adulteration typical of britishssssssssss
1.the territory was discovered by spain, although populated by natives
Magallanes got there very south to the straight and to Malvinas too in 1500
2. argentina was colonized by spain
3. arg natives mixed with colonizators in gauchos, criollos, mulatos, mestizos, etc.
4. got independnece from spanish colonizators.
5. inherit the territory from spain.
6.Arg dispute the territory in between ourselves (arg versus arg in Patagonia for ex) and with other neighbours all with native ascentry after all.
Wich STOLEN TERRITORY?? if this continent its still habitated by natives and the mix Dont you get it yet???
we are not the colonized people
dont you understand that?????
Happily, there never were any natives here, so none of the above applies to us.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you didn't inherit anything from Spain...''got independnece from spanish colonizators.'' That's right. We, however, did not.
I read the text of the meeting and what was interesting was the studied neutrality of many of Argentina's 'friends', including China.
Apart from that it was just the same old rubbish.....and you can all say it as often as you like.....the Falkland Islands are not an 'integral part of Argentina', and we do have the right to self determination if the UK says so, even by the Argentine definition.
The idea of us all being forced to be Argentines or submit to some form of ethnic cleansing is unthinkable, and you all know it.
''we are not the colonized people'' I understand that very well. Neither are we. But we will be a 'colonised people' if you ever get your hands on the Falklands.
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Oct 04th, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In those days many countries got territories by means of conquest or subjugation”
In those days? Does Iraq illegal invasion and destruction sounds familiar and long ago to you?
“The United Kingdom relationship with the Overseas Territories “is based on the choices of the peoples”
They Are Just Excuses.
Señor David, I say it again
One would suppose that it would be accorded universally to those inhabitants by the UK government. The sad fate of the Chagos islanders proves otherwise.
Stop hiding yourselves behind the non sense “Self determination” like little girls behind your mothers skirts.
Hypocrites and liars.
“My Island Home - Chagos Islands”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFLhB_SkMIg
we are not los colonizadores, colonizators people, you yes
Oct 04th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you understand???
im descendant of natives by the way
why you have to be argentinian??? who says that
So are you saying that you, are indigenous to south America, yes/no
Oct 04th, 2011 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain did not invade Argentina, because argentine did not exist in the 15th century,
Now, technically
About 150 million years ago, [ I think] was not south America joined to that part of Africa,
Does you then claim Africa, via inheritances,
But if technically you go back further, was not the whole planet one land mass,
Through inheritances laws, does Argentina claim the whole planet,///
Or is this just being silly,
Just like Argentina claims on a piece of land you have never occupied or ruled or governed,
Come on, pull the other one,, its got bells on ..
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So you're not colonisers?
Oct 04th, 2011 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So are you Mapuche, Tehuelche or Guarani?
Or a European descendant of a colonising Spanish/Italian/German immigrant to a land ripped from its native inhabitants?
How many generations 1,2,3?
Doesn't beat 9 does it?
my family comes from Devon back to 1086,
Oct 04th, 2011 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0add this plus 3 generations per century
From the 11th to the 21st century, this works out at, 10 centuries-
That’s 30 generations,
,
** 26 brit
Oct 04th, 2011 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0be relax...be relax...be relax..........
you all compare the oranges with lemons ....vainly.......
certainly the spaniards were also invaders/conquerors too .....
certainly that the seizure of the vast rim on from California
to Patagonia...was very historic chance/coincidence away..
i understand the jealousy of british......!!
BUT
i don't understand the failure of 1806/07 La Plata invasion attempt .?
amphibian inept ?? ...or ...going awry ??
geo2 ,,i understand the jealousy of Argentine, ......!!
Oct 04th, 2011 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so do I .
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1806/7 do you know the exact date and time, as this might help .
25 malen
Oct 04th, 2011 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You want to colonise us.
You can call it what you like, but to us, it would be no different from the British or the Spanish colonising....well anywhere that they had nothing in common with.
We have a different culture and language to you, and we don't want you. Therefore if you force yourselves on us, then you are colonisers. Simple.
** 30 brit
Oct 04th, 2011 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0of course everybody a bit jealous ... !!
i didn' say 1806/7 ...i say 1806/07...!!
i think that ,
if the british were invading instead of Cortes(Spaniards)
they wouldn't seizure the Mexico......
if we say in technically ,
the Brits don't have land culture,they are off-shore people....
_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_invasions_of_the_R%C3%ADo_de_la_Plata
Oct 04th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British invasions of the Río de la Plata were a series of unsuccessful British attempts to seize control of the Spanish colonies located around the La Plata Basin in South America (today part of Argentina and Uruguay). The invasions took place between 1806 and 1807, as part of the Napoleonic Wars, when Spain was an ally of France.
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Main article: British invasions of the Río de la Plata
Buenos Aires and Montevideo had successfully resisted two British invasions. The first one was in 1806, when a British army led by William Carr Beresford took control of Buenos Aires, until being defeated by an army from Montevideo, led by Santiago de Liniers. The following year a bigger army took Montevideo, but failed to take Buenos Aires, being forced to surrender and leave both cities. There was no Spanish aid from Europe either time, and to prepare for the second invasion Liniers formed militias with Criollos, despite regulations prohibiting this.[23] This gave them military power and political influence they did not have had before, with the biggest Criollo army being the Patricios Regiment led by Cornelio Saavedra. The victory achieved without help also boosted confidence on independence, by stating that the Spanish aid was not needed.[24] The prestige earned by Buenos Aires before the other cities of the viceroyalty was exploited by Juan José Paso during the open cabildo to justify taking an immediate action and hear the opinions of other cities afterwards.[25]
^ Luna, Félix (2003). “Las ideas y las armas” (in Spanish). La independencia argentina y americana. Buenos Aires: Planeta. p. 28. ISBN 950-49-1110-2
So in a way, we helped you to take your independence from Spain
. the catastrophic collapse of Spain's remaining empire in 1898 at the hands of the rising power of the United States.
Does this help you,,, this still has nothing to do with the falklands,
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** 33 brit
Oct 04th, 2011 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you should be shamefull blushy
you should be shameful...why ??
Oct 04th, 2011 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0becouse that ..
H.Cortes seizured Mexico by merely 750 soldiers
BUT
You didn't invade in 1806/07 by 3000...15000 soldiers...!!
Malen
Oct 04th, 2011 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Discovery is irrelevant to the question of who has sovereignty now. And there never was an indigenous population in the Falklands, so that is irrelevant also.
2. Part of Argentina was conquered and stolen by Spain, the other parts were conquered and stolen by Argentina. and never returned to the indigenous tribes.
3 Does not change the facts
4. By force without Spain’s consent
5. Why are so many Argentines so ignorant of what an inheritance is? Inherited territory has to be given, not taken by force. Spain did not give Argentina any territory. Argentina took its territory by force from Spain. Argentina got its independence by force without Spain’s consent. Spain did not begin to relinquish any part of the America’s until 1836, and when it recognised argentine independence in 1859 it was simply recognising a fait accompli
6. For fuck’s sake Malen, we are talking about stolen sovereignty, not about stolen land as private or tribal property. Argentina and Chile stole the sovereignty of The Pampa, Patagonia, Tierra del Fuego from their indigenous tribes. These are stolen territories. They were never under Spanish sovereignty. They were never conquered by Spain. They were invaded, conquered and annexed by Argentina and Chile AFTER INDEPENDENCE. The fact that the indigenous peoples of those territories now accept the situation doesn’t change the fact that they were stolen by Argentina and Chile in the 19th century. Learn the history of your country for fuck’s sake
Part of Argentina was colonised by Spain, the other parts by Argentina. Sovereignty has never been returned to the indigenous peoples. So the indigenous peoples definitely are colonised
your logic is very silly to say the least,
Oct 04th, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why should I or any british be ashamed because we lost a battle,
how very stupid it that,
do you know how many battles the british have lost,
compared to how many wars we have won,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
and besides geo, one and two and 3 and 4 and 5,
if we should be ashamed for a battle of over 200 years ago,
WHAT SHOULD YOU BE
you lost the battle and the war, 30 years ago,
dont be so silly geo 1-5.
Charles Darwin was in Malvinas in 1833 (just 2 months after possession by force by english officer) and 1834.... let´s see what he wrote In his book “The Voyage to Beagle”.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Who inhabited the islands in 1833 ???? were british people ???
“The absence of any species whatever in the whole class of Reptiles, is a marked feature in the zoology of this country, as well as in that of the Falkland Islands. I do not ground this statement merely on my own observation, but I heard it from the Spanish inhabitants of the latter place” Charles Darwin 1 Jun 1834
www.infidels.org/library/historical/charles_darwin/voyage_of_beagle/Chapter11.html
He also said the islands belonged to whom and for what purpose had.....
“After the possession of these miserable islands had been contested by France Spain, and England, they were left uninhabited. The government of BUENOS AYRES then sold them to a private individual, but likewise used them, as old Spain had done before for a penal settlement” “England claimed her right an seized them”
Remmber Darwin was there just 2 month after England seized the islands by force !!
www.infidels.org/library/historical/charles_darwin/voyage_of_beagle/Chapter9.html
I hope that help to understand that in Malvinas exist inhabitants in 1833.....they were Argentinean people living in peace and real and legal owners of the place.... and were expelled by force by Britain in evil way...FACT worldwide recognized.
We all agree that Mr. Darwin is a respectable witness ..isn´t he ???
Marcos, Iraq is not an act of conquest. Iraq is not under British sovereignty, so the analogy is a false one.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I condemn what has happened to the Chagossians, whereas you support your country's lies and hypocrisy. And what has happened to the Chagossians is irrelevant to the right of self-determination of the Falkland Islanders, just as it is irrelevant to the right of self-determination of St Helena, of Bermuda, of Anguilla, of the Caymans, etc, etc
Problem is so far, as Darwin documents, Vernets settlement was not expelled. Hey, don't let facts get in the way of a rant.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So far
Oct 04th, 2011 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK expelled the population, who were the people, including gauchos, that Darwin spent time with while he was there? Who were the 12 gauchos who wanted to leave, Fitzroy managing to convince 7 of them to stay. Who were the 24 people who were there when 8 including Rivero murdered 5?
Why is it that Argentina has not presented in 178 years a single shred of evidence to prove the population was expelled.
Marcos,harping on about the Chagos yet again-boring! all on here agree I think that was wrong, it was though near half a century ago and is i belive being addressed today by the UK Govt. As you well know - we know you will never admit it - it is of course irrelevant to the Falkland Islands v Malvinas.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was good the see the C4 Chairperson sticking up for the key principal that is the bottom line.
Natural to see the meaningless verbal support to you from Chile and Uruguay, so hope it gave you a “feel-good-factor”? We all know that they are just words dont we? Relations between Chile and the Islands are strong and firendly - and Falklands Flagged ships still visit Montevideo!
One Sided Unilateral Actions of course includes:
Arg banning Charter overflights in 2003
Arg walking out of and abandoning South Atlantic Fisheries Meetings
Arg abandoning and cancelling Hydrocarbons agreements
Arg bluster and bluff threats to thwart Int Maritime Freedom of passage through an Int waterway.
Shall I go on?
39 dab14763“ Marcos, Iraq is not an act of conquest”
Oct 04th, 2011 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0con·quest Noun/ˈkänkwest/1. The subjugation and assumption of control of a place or people by use of military force.
Tony Blair, 6 February 2003
“It's not the oil that is the issue, it is the weapons...”
“Plans to exploit Iraq's oil reserves were discussed by government ministers and the world's largest oil companies the year before Britain took a leading role in invading Iraq, government documents show”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html
Do the British have excuses for everything?
Nobody believes their lies anymore David, and what has happened to the Chagossians is just an example of British hypocrisy and lies.
43 Marcos Alejandro
Oct 04th, 2011 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has happened to the 50,000 Argentines your country disappeared in the 1970's and early 80's?
Argentina is a fundamentalist fascist society, which is why none of you posting here appear to care, even though some of your relatives were probably murdered by your own government! You are all preoccupied with claiming rights over other lands and territories, from Chile to the Antarctic wastes!
Marcos Alejandro you are the type of heinous scum who defends Saddam Hussein, was quite happy for him to drop poison gas on his own people and ethnically cleanse the Kurds. I was in Northern Iraq in 1991 with the Royal Marines defending those people, where were you? Nursing your war stories from your fascist invasion of the Falkland Islands?
Morning all - usual cr*p from the Argie stoogies I see.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still awaiting the next round's report from the UN but from the research I did yesterday, this is shaping up like the standard annual bash.
Will Argentina get another Resolution? That is the question :-)
44 Anti-Fascist, Where did I defend Saddam?
Oct 04th, 2011 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Saddam was quite happy dropping poison gas you are right, and shaking hands and buying weapons from the West at the same time.
con·quest Noun/ˈkänkwest/1. The subjugation and assumption of control of a place or people by use of military force.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which the UK hasn't done. The UK withdrew in 2009
“Plans to exploit Iraq's oil reserves were discussed by government ministers and the world's largest oil companies the year before Britain took a leading role in invading Iraq, government documents show”
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html
But in the end Iraq did not give most of the oil contracts to western oil companies
http://www.businessinsider.com/sovereign-backed-oil-companies-creamed-the-multinationals-in-iraq-2010-2
http://www.businessinsider.com/sovereign-backed-oil-companies-creamed-the-multinationals-in-iraq-2010-2
Do the British have excuses for everything?
Nobody believes their lies anymore David, and what has happened to the Chagossians is just an example of British hypocrisy and lies.
And Patagonia, Tierra del Fuego, the Pampa, the expulsion, the inheritance are examples of yours. Fundamental difference being we condemn the UK's double standards whereas you support Argentina's double standards.
1) the discovery its important and the name given to them too.
Oct 04th, 2011 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 02)Arg is land that belongs again to indigenous and mixed people from the very first moment we got independence
we dont have to return nothing its already of all of us, including indigenous and its mixes
3) changes all the facts..we were people different to colonizators so entitled to get independence, so not stole the sovereignity. returns
4) Independence is necessarily by force when the colonized people is subjugated!!!! thats the way it usually happens or a you joking me??they didnt want to give us independence what did you expect us to do, to be all our life subjugated??
5) yes we inheritated the soveregnity,came back to its real owners
6) Yes those territories the same as the isles where of spain sovereignity it is on treaties........its an internal problem of us and that land is still of indiginous too
47 dab14763
Oct 05th, 2011 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Which the UK hasn't done. The UK withdrew in 2009”
True, after rebels forced British forces out.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/4092439/Our-Army-failed-its-test-in-Iraq.html
Interesting article you posted above
“Many would claim that unlocking Iraq's oil potential was the primary goal of the U.S. invasion, and one would be naive to think that oil wasn't at least part of the invasion calculus”
You said: “Fundamental difference being we condemn the UK's double standards ”
No you don't, you benefit from past and present British colonial actions around the globe.
Falklanders, if you ever became part of Argentina, this is what is waiting for you, this is what you'll gain from your new nationality
Oct 05th, 2011 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OvVhbdmlDo&feature=related
scary, isn't it? Welcome to Argentina brothers :)
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Oct 05th, 2011 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0''Independence is necessarily by force when the colonized people is subjugated!!!! thats the way it usually happens or a you joking me??they didnt want to give us independence what did you expect us to do, to be all our life subjugated??''
This is interesting. It is a precise description of how we feel towards Argentina. Do you expect us to be all our lives subjugated? Surely not.
Or do you think we are subject to different rules because of where our ancestors came from?
My advice to you is not to attempt to subjugate the Falkland Islands. I don't think you'd like the results.
48 malen
Oct 05th, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentina belongs to the indigenous and mixed people of Argentina? So where does that leave all those 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th generation European immigrants? Especially the ones running your government. I don't see no mixed races in your government, Nester was the son of a Swiss German and a Nazi Croate, he wasn't mixed, neither is his wife, although she looks like she's been crossed with a worthog!
So when we take into account Argentina's indigenous 7% and mixed population a max of 10% and mostly non Argentine recent immigrants, that's about 17% of the population. So what about the other 83%? Maybe they don't belong in Argentina. Either way Argentina has been colonised by Europeans, the culture of Argentina is European not Indian. Just as we call the American's colonials, you too are colonials with a transplanted European culture, like it or not. Wake up and smell the coffee.
49 Marcos Alejandro
I agreed with the Iraq invasion on the grounds of removing the threat that Saddam Husain posed. But the truth is America had it's own interests at heart and Britain being America's lap dog was used. I am glad we got out when we did. Our Army was not beaten by insurgents. It was an unpopular war, the Blair government was beaten by the people. People in the UK don't like wars, unlike Argentina where even when you loose a war you can't stop talking about it. It was people power that got the UK out of Iraq. If we'd wanted to we could have plowed in more troops and spent more money but we don't have an endless supply of either, like the Americans. We do, however, happen to have a far stronger sense of what is right and wrong and a long tradition as the worlds oldest democracy too. We have never, for example, killed tens of thousands of our own people for political reasons for example.
Mad'un - you cannot inherit something from a Country that couldn't cede any territory until after 1836. Spain's Constitution prevented that.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uti poosidetis juris wasn't proclaimed until the Lima Conference of 1848.
You backdating it to 1810 don't make it so.
No inheritance + no Uti = No Falklands!
Simple maths :-)
#52 Mr Anti-Fascist
Oct 05th, 2011 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0you say “We do, however, happen to have a far stronger sense of what is right and wrong and a long tradition as the worlds oldest democracy too. We have never, for example, killed tens of thousands of our own people for political reasons...”
Im wondering......
1) do you hear about Bloody Sunday in Ireland 1972 and what your country did to innocent people ??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
2) Did you hear about hundreds of thousands of innocents dead (civilians including women and children) in:
a) Iraq
b) Afghanistan
c) Libya
in a not too distant past in:
d) India
e) Egypt
f) Africa (general)
g) Asia
h) America
let me clarify that we are talking about millions and millions of deads......all of them KILLED by the policy of UK, your loved Great Britain.
3) Di you hear about the expulsion of 2000 people in the archipelago Chaos....in 1966 ??? self determination doesn´t work for them ?? thats the double standard you defend ?
I really do not know how to call you ............. insane ? unimpeachable ?
i guess the correct word is only ignorant
Please take a look of this site, where people is asking to Britain to repair all the damage you lot people made to the world.....thats my friend.... is a historical FACT as well MALVINAS ARGENTINAS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
54 so_far
Oct 05th, 2011 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0You want to treat Falkland Islanders in an inhumane and degrading way, with no regard to our basic human rights as defined by the UN.
You have absolutely no right to lecture anyone about anything.
If you got your way and subjugated Falkland Islanders against our will you would be famous around the world as abusers of human rights. Is that really what you want?
54 so_far Very interesting link you posted above!
Oct 05th, 2011 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Welcome to BritishReparations.org, the official site of the International Coalition for British Reparations. We are a global network of citizens who have suffered injuries at the hands of the British Empire over the last five hundred years. We've banded together to ask the United Kingdom to compensate the world for all the damage they've done”
#55 Monty whatever you are taking ... I want two! :)
Oct 05th, 2011 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody ever said anything like that ...... you islanders have the same rights as others, neither more nor less. Nobody ever wants to subjugate you or hurt you..... quite the opposite ! Argentina's constitution explicitly states that you lot have all and necessary guarantees ..... do you think is not enough ? if you dont trust AR, the UN in the middle could help ? or UK-AR treaty could give you guarantees ??...however, the point is both countries need to sit down for talk exactly about THAT....and people like you could feel safetly enough and reach and agreement....is logical ??
C´mon Monty !! no more childish excuses and pretext, you are only unreasonable people used by UK for keep this madness.
This is the correct way of doing things my fiend....more than 10.000 brits living in peace in one city......
http://www.travel-with-pen-and-palate-argentina.com/trevelin.html
56 Marcos Alejandro
Oct 05th, 2011 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting? It's absolutely hilarious!!
Are you for real? Did you write it yourself?
No-body's making you 'suffer' from the effects of the industrial revolution, technology, medicine......
...in fact what are you doing on your nasty imperialist western computer? You could always go back to digging up dirt with the arsebone of a giraffe.
#56 Marcos and anyone interested in the truth, please watch it.........
Oct 05th, 2011 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“People of the World, It's Time to Get Paid ”
http://www.britishreparations.org/commercial.php
Interesting video but don't tell Monty69, she can't handle the truth.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Petition
“We, the undersigned citizens of the world, demand reparations payments of £31,960,000,000,000 from the British Monarchy and government of the United Kingdom. This money will compensate us for the profound injuries we have suffered over the last 500 years from British brutality, negligence, malevolence, crimes against humanity, and other heinous and atrocious forms of misrule. It is far from enough to make us whole, but a necessary first step in the long process of British coming to terms with its historical guilty and reconciling itself with global opinion and international law”
(58) Monty69 :Western ethnocentricity(=ignorance) at its best:
Oct 05th, 2011 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”...in fact what are you doing on your nasty imperialist western computer? You could always go back to digging up dirt with the arsebone of a giraffe.”
I say:
Where would we all be without Indian mathematics?
Or the Mesopotamian wheel?
Or Chinese pasta?
And the Fourth goes on .... will it one-day become a Fifth? Who can tell :-)
Oct 05th, 2011 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/britain-attacks-the-special-committee-of-24/
Argentina SIT DOWN!!!!
Oct 05th, 2011 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0...or the arabic decimal system.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Irony.
The colonisers of Argentina are magically cleansed of all sin, when they decide to become an independent nation, still sitting in the land they ripped from its native inhabitants.
They magically acrue no sin, when they sally forth and steal land from other South American nations, despite in the case of Paraguay slaughtering 90% of the male population.
And committed no sin in its genocidal “Conquest of the Desert”.
And even now, they're busily inventing reasons why the Falklands War was not their fault as the dog ate their home work.
Irony or hypocrisy, take your pick.
You go on about the Chagos Islands, not out of compassion over the plight of those people but merely because you see it as a convenient stick to beat the British with. Hyprocritically you'd do exactly the same to the Falkland Islanders, as would have the FCO it has to be said.
Oh and the interesting comment
“Argentina's constitution explicitly states that you lot have all and necessary guarantees ”
First of all “you lot”. Interesting use of words, clearly you don't identify or value the islanders as a people.
“all and necessary guarantees” Interesting, because you really respected their rights when you marched in, you're respecting their rights when you attempt to impose economic sanctions.
More hypocrisy, you criticise the islanders for not trusting you, not only is there the above but:
Argentina unilaterally ripped up the oil agreement
Argentina unilaterally ripped up the fishing agreement
Argentina unilaterally stopped charter flights and tried to impose its own airline (FIG proposed open skies).
Perhaps they don't trust you, as you don't behave in a manner that suggests you can be trusted.
The current round of oil exploration was originally agreed with Argentina, till Argentina unilaterally withdrew - then you hypocritically blame the British for continuing to act unilaterally.
All in all, a lot of hypocrisy.
Ironic isn't it.
@64JustinKuntz,
Oct 05th, 2011 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, that man. l like the bit about them acruing no sin! As soon as they got independence the slate was magically wiped clean! They didn't do it, it was the Spanish. While we of course, are guilty for everything that our ancestors did.
l think that they are getting desperate.
No more talk,
War or court.
Your(Argentines)decision,
Or shut up.
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
If anyone wishes to discover the truth about British atrocities during the period of empire I recommend the following books:
Oct 05th, 2011 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Mike Davis, 2001. Late Victorian Holocausts: El Nino Famines and the Making of the Third World. Verso, London.
2. Caroline Elkins, 2005. Britain’s Gulag: The Brutal End of Empire in Kenya. Jonathan Cape, London.
3. Mark Curtis, 2003. Web of Deceit: Britain’s Real Role in the World. Vintage, London.
4. David Anderson, 2005. Histories of the Hanged: Britain’s Dirty War in Kenya and the End of Empire. Weidenfeld, London.
60 Marcos Alejandro ------ We will pay when Argentina pays millions to the people who she disposed and killed in the past. Seems everyone will wait quite a while for that to happen seeing as Argentina and its Squatters who now live there seem to think it was their right to kill, injure to the point of genocide the natives in that land that is now known as Argentina. What a clown you are.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now lets get back to the matter in hand 60 Marcos Alejandro, sorry I mean more shit as lsolde says put up or shut up, WAR or COURT. Its Argentina's choice we don't mind. But to make it clear were I stand I prefer war seeing we have to eradicate vermin and make no mistake Argentina is vermin to quite a few countries including many countries in in the vicinity of Argentina.
The whole world is heartedly sick and tired of the vermin whining about a few Islands that were never and never will be theirs and who would at the first chance it gets once more invade and course trouble. So I say lets finish once and for all and to hell what the rest of the world thinks of us because according to this Muppet and the rest of the vermin the world thinks very little of us anyway. I know they don't, but hell let the vermin think that if it gives them something more to whine about and us to laugh at.
And lets face it if we did go to war the outcome is indisputable we would take casualties just like we did in 82 and like 82 we would bring democracy to the vermin but this time it would be proper democracy not some poor exuse for the one they have now
51 monty Arg is not subjugating you
Oct 05th, 2011 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it was, suppose, you could not fish and become squidmillonaires, or the malvina chef hotel wouldnt be cooking strange meats and making courses outside ...dont bother with nonsense talks
and to 52 56% of argentines has indigenous ancestry...dont bother
68 malen
Oct 05th, 2011 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't say you were subjugating us. I said you wanted to.
Ah Fantasia's wonderful comeback to Justin's rollocking a list of four books, two of them about the Mau Mau insurgency in Kenya (a 10 year period in a 300 year old empire) one of them isn't even about the empire, and the other is the investigation of colonialism and the links between El Nino, poor deluded boy must have spent all night on google books looking those up.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nearly as good as his hypothesise that Argentina is going to invade the islands and a bunch of lunatic nationalist might bother an oil rig, lets not even mention his made up analysis of the oil industry and Falkland islands infrastructure, boys a lonely nut!
64
Oct 05th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brit. unilaterally decides to extracts oil fish the land and sovereignity that not belongs to them.
Awful isnt it. We have the right to claim. Menem mistakes its another theme.
Marcos Alejandro & so_far.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That website is completely hilarious, The fact that you both find it intresting just shows how stupid you both really are.
Some of the “Facts” the website expalins:
We imposed union upon the scottish. - Not true.
The industrial revolution was a bad thing(Though im sure he's glad he has a job, sitting at his pc...Made in an industrial plant..).
Blaming the UK for global warming. - Lol...
Saudi Arabia was a colony of the British empire - Not true.
We invented the Machine gun - Gatling gun was the first real machine gun to be out there killing people.
Prisons - History of incarceration dates back before written records.
Slums - Although mostly gone in most citys now have been a big part of citys since we started building citys for him to claim we invented it is rediculous, stupid even.
Bad hygiene - Just..lol.
The Black Plague - Again...The guy is an idiot.
Concentration camps - This is funny...The USA(HIS country) used them before us British did.
He then goes on to claim that the crusades were only an English thing.
I once emailed him about his “Facts” though he never got back to me...I wonder why?
I see more crap and others have found a new toy to play that of the publicity website of Stephen E Grasse for his comedy book “How Britian ruined the world”,
Oct 05th, 2011 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.britishreparations.org/commercial.php although I find his brand of humour crude to say the least, he ran a dam good publicity campaign getting people and historians in the UK annoyed and theN turned around and sound it was a wind up and publicity to sell his book XD........fast forward 5 years and more-crap and his compatriots haven't noticed this yet LOL :)
Malen you numbskull, if what the FIG is doing is unilateral, then why on earth did Argentina sign cooperation agreements...idiot :)
PPS I think you will find that it is the FIG who has ordered the oil exploration (not extraction, that is 5 years away at least numpty) and issues the fishing licence's.....but wait a second Argentina doesn't recognise the FIG, so how can a govt you don't recognise commit unilateral acts?!?!? Do'oh!
But hang on again, by complaining about unilateral acts, you therefore claim that someone is doing them right? Is Argentina therefore admitting that the FIG exists then haha contradiction alert!
I am disappointed that the FIG hasn't made capital out of the above on a more regular basis.
@70 Rhaurie-Craughwell
Oct 05th, 2011 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't mention Ireland did I?...................Body count: 1,000,000
North America?......................................Body count: 4,000,000
India?.....................................................Body count: 5,000,000
Africa?....................................................Body count: 7,000,000 not taking into account the number of Africans that died in the slave ships or on the plantations............................Estimated figure: 22,000,000
Afghanistan 1839 - 1880...........................Body count: 2,000,000
Middle East - after the British colonised it in 1918 to get their oil.
...............................................................Body count: 1.5,000,000 and still rising.
Africa - the genocide of the Zulu.................Body count: 700,000
Africa - the genocide of the Hottentot..........Body count: 400,000
Africa- the genocide of the Boers.................Body count: 220,000
Africa - the genocide of the Kikuyu.............Body count: 320,000
India - the partition of India/Pakistan.........Body count: 800,000
India - the 1857 uprising...........................Body count: 1,000,000+
India - the Deccan genocide........................Body count: 1.2,000,000
India- the great famine..............................Body count: 2.8,ooo,000
India- the second great famine....................Body count: 3,8,000,000
China - the opium wars..............................Body count: 4.8,000,000 +
to be continued....................
Nice figures Fanasia you did know that the total Zulu population only numbered 250,000 Zulus at the beginning of the Anglo-Zulu war, quite an achievement that we managed to kill all of them at least 3 times and yet 10 million of them are alive today :)
Oct 05th, 2011 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You aren't telling fibs are you?
74 fantazum2011
Oct 05th, 2011 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of CRAP. Lets just make it up!
Your country MURDERED 50,000 (the ture figure is believed by most experts to be closer to about 240,000 or a quarter of a million) of its own people. YOUR OWN PEOPLE - MURDERED.
You are incapable of saying how fascistic your government was from Peron 1 and 2, to the juntas, to Kirchner 1 & 2.
Only tin pot dictatorships have dynasties rule them, with their claims on neighboring states and territories. Your country has a history of being a tin pot fascist dictatorship.
The truth is fantazum, you are a fascist.
Your country has been ruled by fascists since the 1930's. Your goose stepping military was drilled and trained by Nazi's. Nazi U-boats fled to your country after the war, with their loot, the Nazi's fled to the safety of your country. Under operation Condor they were used by your country to kill political dissidents, 3 decades after they finished their ETHNIC CLEANSING IN EUROPE.
Your country harboured Nazi war criminals, protected them, gave them government and military jobs, houses and helped more flee.
You do not get this history fantazum because you are part of it!
The people of the Falkland Islands wish to live in peace in their own land away from the fear and intimidation of a country 40,000 times larger. They wish to be able to call their own land what they want, to be free to speak the language of their fathers and mothers, to be free to drive on the left side side of the road (FFS!), to be able to live on their own land, not to be called RACIST names like “Pirates”, etc.
The fascistic Argentines like you fantazum make my blood boil. If I was to meet you face to face I would tear you apart limb by limb because fascists like you only pick on the weak. You invaded the Falklands in 1982 thinking that attacking a population of 1800 sheep farmers was easy picking. Try someone your own size you cowardly fascistic scum!
#74
Oct 05th, 2011 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q. How many genocides are the Falkland Islanders responsible for?
A. None.
Q. How many genocides is Argentina responsible for?
A. Conquest of the Desert, War of the Triple Alliance et al
Debate over.
@ 77 JustinKuntz (#)
Oct 05th, 2011 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0really Kuntz?
Did you know that Falkland I slanders volunteered for service in Argentina in the wars against the indigenous Indians?
Do you know that the names of those Islanders can still be seen on the muster rolls of the army that are preserved in the military museum in Buenos Aires?
Perhaps I shall post them in.
@ 76 Anti-Fascist (#
Did you know that Argentina was the first modern state to emancipate the African slaves that came to South America?
Yes, under the presidency of Juan Manuel Rosas African slaves that crossed the border from Brazil into Argentina were granted the status of 'freemen' and willingly joined the Argentine military.
In fact Argentina was the first modern state to form an all-African regiment.
So much for facsists huh?
Heart of smugness
Oct 05th, 2011 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Unlike Belgium, Britain is still complacently ignoring the gory cruelties of its empire”
Blair's former foreign policy guru, Robert Cooper once said “
empire was ”as necessary now as it had been in the 19th century“. The British empire was, we were assured, a generally well-intentioned attempt to inculcate notions of good government, civilised behaviour and market rationality into less well-favoured societies”
Suuuuuure :-))))
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jul/23/congo.comment
Falkland Islanders probably may or may not have volunteered for the wars against the Indians as your previous post was 100% lie but if they did they would have done so under another flag. Hundreds of thousands of Irishmen and women volunteered for the British military or to work in British industry and shipping in WW2, while a dozen volunteered for Hitler's SS - neither meant that the Irish Free State was a participant in WW2 - these people did so on their own free will!
Oct 05th, 2011 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Likewise Argenine's volunteered for both Germany and Britain in WW2, that didn't make Argentine a participant. But you did harbour Nazi's fleeing justice after the war!
Britain was the first country to emancipate the slaves and enforced their ban on the slave trade internationally via the Royal Navy's patrols on the Atlantic slave trade. In that same Royal Navy blacks served alongside the British sailors as both sailors and marines, go to the National Maritime Museum website to check this.
Britain's first black (African) regiment was The West India Regiment, raised in 1790.
“British Petroleum and the Redline Agreement” (2011), by Edwin Black.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It tells the entire story of the collusion between BP and the british government and their carve-up of the middle east. Fascism at its best.
I recommend it
Nazi foreign officials saw Edward VIII as a friend of Germany in the middle of the second world war, according to a newly released US intelligence report.
And here's another great british fascist for you -
“The disclosure of the report heightens the controversy over claims that he and the Duchess of Windsor harboured pro-Nazi sympathies and that he was lined up to go back on to the throne if Hitler defeated Britain.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/jan/25/freedomofinformation.monarchy
LOL
** 68 Malen
Oct 05th, 2011 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your comment have lacking composition in alltime !!
where does he live ?? ......... in Spain ? ..in Italy ?.. or both !!
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don't hesitate please.....i am a free man !!
“Did you know that Falkland I slanders volunteered for service in Argentina in the wars against the indigenous Indians?”
Oct 05th, 2011 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, but were these wars organised by the Falkland Islanders? No, they were organised by the Argentine government. And not just Falkland Islanders volunteered. Many others did, many Irish, Scots, Welsh and English... not to mention Germans, Swiss, Italians etc, etc... Are you going to blame Italy for the conquista del desierto as well?
83 “Yes, but were these wars organised by the Falkland Islanders?”
Oct 05th, 2011 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you are saying that the islanders had a brain's sheep and didn't know that killing indians was wrong?
This blogg is a bit one sided,[] The truth, according to world facts,[]
Oct 05th, 2011 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Listen to our lies, by the world according to argentine,
So I don’t need to get involved here, as my fellow brits have you desperate argies pinned to the dart board,
But I feel I must note the following,
1, the new site, set up by moles for our argie bloggers to take excerpts out of,
Shows how lack of truth and common sense needs a bit of help,
So the new toy site certainly helps the indoctrinated deluded Argies who quote it,
.britishreparations.org, [those who quote from this] are showing how immature and indoctrinated they are, enough please,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,the nursery is closed .
Last but not least,
You can shout scream and cry as much as you wish,
You can even tell lies and deceit, blackmail and hoodwink the UN,
But as Liam Fox the minister for defense said today to the people and the free world,
And , let's not forget the Falklands. Next year is the 30th anniversary of the victory for self-determination in the Falklands.
A victory made possible by the resolve of former, Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher. And we will continue to guarantee the security of the Falklands.
However, this is not the 1980's. We are now working towards healthier relations with the Argentinians.
But one thing is unchanged; for as long as the people of the Falklands choose to, they are, and will always be, British. .
To represent Britain, in war as well as in peace, is to represent our inherent democratic values, the rule of law and respect for life. fought for and defended in every place and every generation . And we have a duty to uphold the sacrifices made in the past / Because it is these things that make Britain great Thank you,
Now you may carry on lads, make em feel silly and ashamed .
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“So you are saying that the islanders had a brain's sheep and didn't know that killing indians was wrong?”
Oct 05th, 2011 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Marcos, everyone was killing Indians in those days, but you seem to think that we are bad guys now because of it. You forget that it as over 100 years ago AND that YOU WERE ALSO DOING IT.
Did you know that Argentina was the first modern state to emancipate the African slaves that came to South America?
Whoopee. Argentina abolished slavery in 1853. That's 20, yes TWENTY YEARS after the UK... Oh, and then in the 1870s you were organising genocide in the Chaco, the Pamaps and Patagonia. Even if a few Falkland Islanders helped you, it was YOUR government who was organising it. There is no high moral ground for Argentina...
84 Marcos Alejandro So you are saying that the islanders had a brain's sheep and didn't know that killing Indians was wrong? Wonders never cease a a piece of vermin admitting that killing the Indians was wrong, your slipping Mr vermin.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 086
Oct 05th, 2011 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“everyone was killing Indians in those days”
Nice British excuse.
Not again... You are saying that Britain abolished slavery before us?
What a great British accomplishment, congratulations!
Probably because they run out of Africans after sending millions of them to the Americas and they needed slaves to run their African colonies.
The only one who can save UK from the trial coming and world´s scrutiny because of its historical wrongdoing is USA .....
Oct 05th, 2011 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK-USA Special relationship ???
Interesting interview from BBC to Steven Grasse, an american respected researcher and historian, and author of books enlightening about British Empire in 500 years (until now).
This audio from BBC debate is fantastic....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT8k7YflT8g
Argentina gave sanctuary to fleeing Nazis? Argentina was neutral remember?
Oct 05th, 2011 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you read this-
“Britain gave sanctuary to fleeing Nazis”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/apr/20/warcrimes.world
So far as slavery is concerned - the british didnt abolish slavery in 1790 in fact the parliamentary act finally abolishing slavery was not passed until 1833 and it did not finally come into force until 1838 and even after this, slaves were still being used in the british west indies.
All this while south america had already banned slavery - yes it was Mexico that completely abolished slavery in 1829 - by a president of African descent.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/apr/20/warcrimes.world
Anti-fasicist - you should read your own history before making silly claims in this forum. The West Indian regiment was formed mostly of slaves.
““everyone was killing Indians in those days”
Oct 05th, 2011 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice British excuse.”
It's not an excuse Marcos. It's a fact. And it's a fact that you Argies were doing it too...
now we just wait for the argentine reaction, to the british speech today
Oct 05th, 2011 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i wonder what else they can do, besides talk talk
90 fantazum2011
Oct 05th, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be a moron all your life!
Only radical Maxists read the Guardianista!
This is a fact - Nazi's fled to Argentina, including the mother of your late President Nester, even U-boats fled to Argentina, the last German U-boat reached Argentine in the middle of August 1945 - several months after the end of the war in Europe. Former Nazi's trained your Army, Navy and Air Force.
Nazi's and Argentina's Dity War -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
The main destination of fleeing Nazi's was Argentina -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
Peonism based on Fascism -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
Fascist Argentina
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
Neo-Fascism as followed bt Peron:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
Fascism and Economic Collapse, Argentina's Past is America's Future
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
There seems to be more links on fascism and Argentina than fascism and Italy or Germany on the web.
Ah they wish to continue.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell us and enlighten us.
Q. When did the Argentine Government cease to pay a bounty for the ears of indigenous peoples in Patagonia?
Answer please. A clue - 20th Century boy
J.A. Roberts About slavery, please listen at 3:55, originally posted by so-far.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT8k7YflT8g
Told you.
94 Justin, Let me give you a few examples:
1763: British Gen. Jeffrey Amherst orders use of smallpox blankets against Native peoples during Pontiac's Rebellion
1800s: Blankets infected with smallpox deliberately given to Native Americans, causing widespread epidemics.
1920s: Britain uses chemical weapons in Iraq “as an experiment” against Kurdish rebels seeking independence; Winston Churchill “strongly” backs the use of “poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.”
Abolition of slavery timeline,
Oct 05th, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British went out of their way to stop this trade, but never thanked, except by the slaves .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline
1800–1849
• 1802 The First Consul Napoleon re-introduces slavery on French colonies growing sugarcane.[14]
• 1803 Denmark-Norway abolishes transatlantic slave trade on 1 January 1803
• 1803 Lower Canada abolishes slavery
• 1804 New Jersey begins a gradual abolition of slavery, freeing future children of slaves.[20] Those born prior to the Act remain enslaved-for-life; all the Northern states have now abolished slavery
• 1804 Haiti declares independence and abolishes slavery[16]
• 1805 Bill for Abolition passed in Commons, rejected in the House of Lords.
• 1807 25 March Abolition of the Slave Trade Act: slave trading abolished in British Empire. Captains fined £120 per slave transported.
• 1807 British begin patrols of African coast to arrest slaving vessels. West Africa Squadron (Royal Navy) established to suppress slave trading; by 1865, nearly 150,000 people freed by anti-slavery operations[25]
• 1807 Abolition of serfdom in Prussia through the Stein-Hardenberg Reforms.
• 1808 United States—import and export of slaves prohibited after 1 Jan.[26]
• 1810 Mexico: Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla declared slavery abolished, but it wasn't official until Independence War finished
• 1811 Slave trading made a felony in the British Empire punishable by transportation for British subjects and foreigners.
• 1811 Spain abolishes slavery at home and in all colonies except Cuba,[14] Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo
• 1811 Chile: The First National Congress approves a proposal drafted by Manuel de Salas that declares the Freedom of wombs, which sets free the sons of slaves born on Chilean territory, no matter the conditions of the parents; it prohibited the slave trade and recognized as freedmen those who, passing in transit through Chilean territory, stayed there for six months.
• 1813 Argentina: the Law
** 95 Marcos
Oct 05th, 2011 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 01800 :Blankets infected with smalpox deliberately given to Native Americans,causing widespreading epidemic ...
i heard/know this British cruelty was made while in India too...!!
that's true !!
and also
Oct 05th, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0my thought is that the fake scientist Charles Darwin did any
biological weapons experiments in Falkland Islands...!!
there still could be some biological/chemical weapon labs in Falklands.!
Please, don't shoot the messenger! I am American (half British/half Italian). Just remember the British people are not easily intimidated, or threatened by any means. One is not going to get the British out of the Falklands/Malvinas by words alone. Argies...If you want them out...you'll need to get them out by force...a lot of force (which you don't have)....or will have....under CFK!
Oct 05th, 2011 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let the people in the Falklands live in “peace”!!
Cheers Mates!
** 99 arty
Oct 05th, 2011 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no..i don't belive this comment written by Artillero
maybe my eyes read wrongly....
i know our friend is from Argentina ..??
Mr Cacique Rabanito.............para vosssssssssss
Oct 05th, 2011 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You was the one saying indigenous lived in kingdoms..I remember
You are committing unilateral acts because it is a territory in dispute and neither of the parts can make them
second the word numbskulls doesnt exists in google translate try to use words that are on the dictionary
and third you are a grandísimo nabo, and im short with the elogio you deserve more :):):):):):):)
#94 Anyone else notice the rush to bury that question.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A. 1927
@ 101 if you're the granddaughter of Evo Morales, good for you! But that's not the case of all the Argentines, but that doesn't make us squatters, silly girl. You don't have more rights to this land than us.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0101 malen
Oct 06th, 2011 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0You commit unilateral acts all the time, don't you? You withdrew from hydrocarbons and fisheries agreements, you banned charter flights and disrupted shipping links, you're comtemplating banning your own people from ever visiting the Falkland Islands by interfering with scheduled flights.
Those are all unilateral acts that change the status quo, and you made them.
95 Marcos Alejandr
Oct 06th, 2011 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0smallpox blankets against Native peoples MYTH! How do you infect thousands of blankets with Smallpox? The infection spread the same way any infection spreads though populations that have little or no immunity to it.
Like the plague in England, caused by a disease carried over from India. I wonder if there is an INTERNET theory about that? Maybe the Indians sent it to us, in infected rats? Google it!
Similar to the myths about 9-11 being an inside job. Very popular now on the internet, alongside ideas such as the reptilian agenda and the Queen of England being a reptile who heads up the New World Order and secretly runs America!
1920s: Britain uses chemical weapons in Iraq. Yes this is true, we may have killed dozens of people with these weapons. A terrible crime, typical of the age. Far more people died from the conventional bombs we dropped though!
Marcos Alejandro you don't mention your government MURDERING 50,000 of your own people in COLD BLOOD in the later half of the 20th century. While you ethnically cleansed your Indian population in the 19th Century. Seems that the real savages are your governing class!
Can I just ask what relevance any of this has to our situation? This thread has degenerated, as so many do, into a lot of Argentines rabbiting on about things that Britain may or may not have done at various points in the past, and I just don't see the point.
Oct 06th, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is there one?
@ 105 Anti-Fascist (#)
Oct 06th, 2011 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Myths? was it a myth that Tony Blair fabricated evidence of saddam hussein developing nuclear weapons?
Was it a myth that Tony Blair openly lied to the British parliament in order to justify an attack against Iraq?
Was it myth that over 500,000 inncocent Iraqy people died as a result of the invasion and that innocent iraqies continue to die today because of that illegal invasion?
Do not condemn Argentina for its past when you are guilty for the present!
Look at the British atrocities in Afganistan which are not just in the present but also the past beginning with the British invasion of Afghanistan in 1839 which marked the beginning of a long period of bloody oppression which didn't end until you were kicked out of India in 1947. Entire tribes were wiped out...cities reduced to rubble...villages attacked constantly and erased.
How dare you express such vile hypocrisy!
Fantazum. We left India in 1947. You guys are still in Patagonia, TDF, the Chaco etc TODAY. Places you stole from their real owners DECADES after your independence from Spain. Places were you wiped out entire tribes, attacked and erased villages etc, etc. You really have zero moral high ground to stand on.
Oct 06th, 2011 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0#106
Oct 06th, 2011 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its the usual, every time the hypocrisy in their position is highlighted, you get a flood of crap to distract from it.
@107 fantazum2011,
Oct 06th, 2011 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British were not“kicked out”of lndia as you well know.
lt was time to leave, so we left. lt was a new world & colonial people were demanding to rule themselves.
Partly it was in recognition for lndia's sacrifices & contributions to the Allied victory in WWll.
Personally l believe we should have left in 1919 at the end of the first world war. Perhaps neither us nor the lndians were ready for a free lndia then.
Agreed, lraq was nothing to do with us. We just got sucked into another of America's lmperial wars. Saddam, of course as you well know dear fanta, murdered thousands of his own people & gave the impression that he had all these weapons. His deception worked only too well as we believed him!
As for Afghanistan, well l agree that we should not be there either. l think you'll find the Afghans can dish it out too. There was no long period of“bloody oppression” in Afghanistan as you say. ln fact we were chased out of there in 1839. Stop telling lies, fanta.
But anyway, as Monty says, what's all this to do with the Falklands?
Keep to the topic, please.
107 fantazum2011
Oct 06th, 2011 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland Islanders do not vote in UK elections. We are not responsible for Tony Blair, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,or anything that Britain may have done in India 150 years ago.
I don't therefore understand what any of those things have to do with me, or why they have any bearing on my right to criticise Argentina's actions if I want to.
Are you really saying that you can do what you like, however bad, because Britain has done worse? Do you not have any responsibility for your own actions? I'm failing to see the link between what you do and what Britain has done. Something doesn't become right because someone else did something worse.
You seem to have the idea that you can do bad things to us and it's somehow ok because of things that Britain has done in other places.
No. That's an excuse, and a feeble one. If you want to treat us badly at least have the guts to admit that you're doing it because you want to.
“1920s: Britain uses chemical weapons in Iraq “as an experiment” against Kurdish rebels seeking independence; Winston Churchill “strongly” backs the use of “poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.””
Oct 06th, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 01924: Massacre at Napalpi, Chaco Province, Argentina
Hundreds of native South American Toba slaughtered by Argentine police and Argentine ranchers. Their crime? They got in the way...
Monty 104 you withdrew from sovereignity UN negotiations calls every time you can. So cant avail others things.
Oct 06th, 2011 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0and 106 the point is britain is always doing the same, occupying illegaly others territories. Now they know how to manage to get votes (7 of 22) and the approval to do these invasions.
where is someone treating you badly???if the blockade no exists. You choose to be british so you make links with what you choose.
113 malen
Oct 06th, 2011 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0''where is someone treating you badly???if the blockade no exists. You choose to be british so you make links with what you choose.''
We choose to make links with Chile and Uruguay, you choose to stop us. Therefore the blockade does exist. Therefore you are treating us badly.
If you, with your neocolonialist mentality, decide that we deserve it because we won't do what you want, then that's your responsibility, not ours.
According to your government (and I suggest you check), we don't have the right to take part in any negotiations. So how can we 'withdraw' from anything?
nobody is stoping you, havent you seen the article of you going to punta arenas to talk about agriculture..buying onions in uruguay or butter in chile who cares and dont lieeeeeeeee. Those countries then supports us in the UN.
Oct 06th, 2011 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0.......the truth is you dont like us because we have a claim and you pretend us to drop it. and that will not happen.
107 fantazum2011
Oct 06th, 2011 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There isn't a nation state on Earth that isn't guilty of some something sometime in history and of course HIS - STORY is circumspect, it also changes with time and depends on who wrote it, it's also interpreted by the morality of the age it was written in and often wrongly interpreted. HIS STORY should be taken with an open mind, not a nationalist fevour, like the Argentines posting here do.
I'm accusing Argentina of what you Argentines are accusing us British. You are also exaggerate things to the extreme.
The fact of the matter is the people of the Falkland Islands do not wish to be a colony of Argentina, they do not wish to have to speak Spanish, they do not wish to drive on the right, they do not wish to have all their place names changed, they do not wish to see their top class education system changed, they do not wish to see their economy drained to serve Argentina, they do not wish to see your system of law replace English law, they do not wish to see Argentine jackboots stamping over their way of life, their land, their rights, their dignity.
Nothing you accuse them of, no spec of fake HIS STORY you claim from almost two centuries ago, is going to change that!
107 fantazum2011--- Whats the matter are we beginning to get at the truth at long last of how vile a nation Argentina is? Does the truth hurt you and you feel the need to hit back at us in any way that you can? Whats the difference my little vile Argentine squatter of people dying from poisoned gas and people dying from being shot or beaten like they were in your 1924: Massacre at Napalpi, Chaco Province, Argentina. I will answer the question for you, nothing they all end up dead. So dont take the moral high ground with us when you did just the same but to your people. what a vile exuse for a sub human being you are, now piss of back to your hovel
Oct 06th, 2011 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“People of the World, It's Time to Get Paid !!!! ”
Oct 06th, 2011 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”... We are a global network of citizens who have suffered injuries at the hands of the British Empire over the last five hundred years. We've banded together to ask the United Kingdom to compensate the world for all the damage they've done”
The Petition
“We, the undersigned citizens of the world, demand reparations payments of £31,960,000,000,000 from the British Monarchy and government of the United Kingdom. This money will compensate us for the profound injuries we have suffered over the last 500 years from British brutality, negligence, malevolence, crimes against humanity, and other heinous and atrocious forms of misrule. It is far from enough to make us whole, but a necessary first step in the long process of British coming to terms with its historical guilty and reconciling itself with global opinion and international law”
www.britishreparations.org
115 malen
Oct 06th, 2011 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't like you because we don't understand you. You aren't anything like us....a different culture entirely.
And we don't like your claim because we don't understand it. Why would you want to cause suffering to people you don't know?
And I suggest you get your keyboard fixed, those extra letters must be really irritating.
I think you're trying to say 'lie'. Be explicit. What is the lie?
Like I said earlier all those Argies that quote from that stupid pathetic site, are indoctrinated backward and childish,
Oct 06th, 2011 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignorant, lies and desperate, and like all losers, just brag ,
First on that list it seems [ SO-FAR ] NEXT
we have a link in the internet after all
Oct 06th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a little bit discrepant, a little bit irritating
i hear you, you hear us dont agree in nothing but it is sth
you arent anything like us......a different culture entirely ...you only understand people is like you?? political power conflict problem is
lie: dont make me repeat that about the squidmillonaires, etc spain is also claiming sovereignity of gibraltar for the same reason we do
@ 121 blah blah blah hi cristina!
Oct 06th, 2011 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0121 what planet are you from,
Oct 06th, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0was it alpha 3 zero, or moon base alpha,
i must of missed it .
121 malen
Oct 06th, 2011 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd rather you didn't keep repeating 'squidmillionaires', but if you insist on making yourself look foolish I can't stop you. In fact, it's quite entertaining, so carry on. It was nonsense the first time you said it, and every time since then.
'political power conflict problem'?? It may well be a lie, but to be honest, I haven't a clue what you are talking about.
all blogger will agree with you
Oct 06th, 2011 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0exept geo flipper and so-far.
** 121 ... agree % 100 ...!
Oct 06th, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0malen, dripping with venom, not your landddddddddd.
Oct 06th, 2011 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0isolde, dripping with blood in the mirror, dont bother.
Oct 06th, 2011 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we have such a nice link in/on the internet.....isnt it?
this is not bla bla bla bla bla bla
we know and share your exquisite and preferent meals, your oil up and downs ambitions, superviviencia of the penguins and the wales and the albatroos, where you buy the irish butter, hydroponic green houses productions of giant vegetables, principito coming in summer for vacations, etc :):):):):):)(:(:(:(:(:(:(:
I don't normally correct anyone's spelling, as my Spanish is terrible...... but Wales and whales are not the same thing.
Oct 07th, 2011 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, I'm glad you have such a positive view of life in the Falklands. You almost sound like you wish you lived here ;-)
Malen,
Oct 07th, 2011 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why am l dripping with blood? And don't bother with what?
Definitely not bla bla bla bla or even blah blah blah, but fun all the same.
Fyi, l spend very little time looking in the mirror. l have more important things to do(like stirring up silly Argentines!).
She does sound like she wants to live in the Falklands.
Malen, when you need a character reference for when you emigrate to the Falklands, give them my name(snigger).
But thank you for your concern.
I see Fantasia changed the subject very rapidly over his falsified figures in 74 LOL, boys a nut job, fantasia philosophy, if you can't win an argument, make one up :)
Oct 07th, 2011 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0On that subject Amigo....... when can we expect the first phase of operation condor 2 on a oil rig gaffawl :)
Isolde im not dripping nobody with blood its a joke taken from yours
Oct 07th, 2011 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0and isolde the isles are ours.........dont bother ME.
And I that was thinking our link was nice.............bla bla bla
i need a character reference to enter?? I put Monty, my english teacher, not you, stirring girl. Dont think I would apply, very few arg apply. What a pity, thinking to go this summer to see the penguins, i see in punta tombo, to see the sealions i see in mar del plata, etc.
Like allways.....strong support to Argentina´s position over Malvinas in General Assembly of United Nations, The Fourth Committee.
Oct 07th, 2011 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let´s wait the final resolution of this year calling again to UK to resume negotiations ......this is the 3o time !!!! UK like allways doesnt obey International calls.
Again in the official document, call the islands by his correct name Malvinas in 24 opportunities and only 2 by falklands...of course only Uk call the islands that way......
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2011/gaspd481.doc.htm
......this is the 3o time /or the 50th
Oct 07th, 2011 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they are british, and will remain british, as long as they wish,
argentina and her bloggers can either
talk or talk,
you choose,
The UN supports self determination, except in the non-functioning C24. Check the 4th Committee records on the subject.
Oct 08th, 2011 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only self determination will find a solution to the Argentine colonial fantasy.
“Only self determination will find a solution to the Argentine colonial fantasy.”
Oct 10th, 2011 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or you could just ignore them completely. What can they really do about it anyway?
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