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Piñera escalates conflict: proposes jailing those involved in occupying schools
Student leaders, the opposition and several judges expressed outrage this week after Chilean President Sebastián Piñera proposed on Sunday to reform the Penal Code to impose harsher punishments on those involved in the occupation of schools and universities, newspaper La Tercera reported. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhy the journalist that wrote this article is so stupid that can put a correct headline ????
Oct 05th, 2011 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The bil passed by President Piñera is not just about the students...is for all of those masked vandals that takes private or state properties with violence and those that loot supermarket, any kind of business offices or homes with huge detriment to the community safety and economic losses.
In the other hand, all of those that want to make a protest will be safer without the cowards masked vandals that spoil the main object of the protesters and they can be authorized to march wherever they ask for.....
So, if the students don´t accept this law means that those masked vandals aren´t guys from the common criminal population but from their own followers.......don´t you thik????
Those that do nothing bad, nothing fears.......
This bill is not to escalate a conflict that is affecting to all our citiziens, by the contrary it will protect all that have resulted damaged by the vandals wherever they come from.....
You make a good point. @ 1.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I completely support the right to peaceful protest but not the few that use vehicles of protest to loot and cause criminal damage.
It is sad that the situation escalated. When I was in Santiago the protests were peaceful, effective and the students had the moral high ground. Most people seemed to support their aims, until the violence started.
Occupying a public buildings and defacing or destroying public property should be a crime and punishable by restitution and time in jail. These weak politicians in Lat Am and EU are sickening. They need to teach the kids who get out of line that there are consequences to their actions with a good beating and charging their family for the cost incurred is a perfect way to start.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 “They need to teach the kids who get out of line”
Oct 05th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They need to teach adults too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhOYpy0iIz8
Kill 'em all Piñera, teach those bastards a lesson that they'll never forget. ¡Viva Pinochet! Argentina is about to explode and blood will run through the streets of Argentina from the north to the south. We'll win :) Viva Videla!
Oct 05th, 2011 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#4 If they are dumb enough to throw rocks at people with guns their DNA wasn't worth passing on anyway.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0keep going until the obtaing of free education for everybody ...!!
Oct 05th, 2011 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, someone is not understanding the object of the bill and my comment, also....Thought he must be follower of the abusive masked vandals....
Oct 05th, 2011 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don´t want to be in a free fall as the most of European countries or with higher inflation rate as the most of LATAM countries spending more than we have....so step by step we will improve our educational system according to our monetary capacity as we are expecting no good times ahead.....
and what is gifted is not valued...as an excerpt please read the following link
http://listindiario.com.do/la-republica/2011/10/1/205595/Dirigente-estudiantil-con-mas-de-20-anos-en-UASD-se-perfila-como-ganador-a
Youth would have help enough to study at the universities with credits with extreme low interest rates but with the condition to be paid with a minimun percentage of their incomes whenever they work to keep the funds to the next generations to be helped.....High school students have already free education at
Municipal schools and if the parents wants to invest some of their incomes in a private but subventioned school they are free to choose it or simply send their children to a totally private school by their own. Why we must have just free schools ??? Why we can´t have the posibility to choose ??? The problem is not if it is free or paid, one the problem is that the teachers must be the most capable, well prepared, well paid and well recognized within the society and not be waisting their time in the political arena and other problem is that children must be tought about the respect to the olders, teachers and authorities, that a good future is won with effort and perseverance studying and going to school...not doing strikes and breaking what is their tools to be tought...the schools... If we take care of that simple things all will be better a lot.....for all of us.
Well!
Oct 05th, 2011 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lot of people are in serious need of an education.
Some on the streets, some occupying buildings, and some on the web.
An educated person would understand that there is no such thing as Free Education, or any other form of Free Lunch.
We have learned the programme and the time-frame for re-structuring much of the education system - and much else - resulting from Government - 'student'/union negotiations.
But it would seem that there are two forces at work, both of which are being fed by the sheeple (that in warfare would be called 'The poor bloody exploited infantry').
The two forces are
(i) the hooded anarchists that take advantage of such situations and smash society, and
(ii) the political manipulators (some of whom may be 'students' or union leaders), who have a vested interest in constantly upping the ante in order to - undemocratically - create a different Government and society.
For the sake of Chile - and elsewhere - listen to Sergio. He is one of the voices of sanity on this site.
keep going until the obtaining of free education for everybody ...!!
Oct 05th, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no need to have social discrimination by way of education... !!
no need any parasite education sector in the socio economic system... !!
no need to cause to the fatalistic caste system in the future ...!!
no need to compress youth by way of the debit of them ...!!
TWIMC
Oct 06th, 2011 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another political “Faux Pax” from Mr. Piñera.
This guy is the best that could happen to Chile......
He is, day by day demostrating the true colors of the neoliberals.
He will be instrumental to insure 20 more years of a “Concertación” government.
2014... Bachelet Presidenta!
Geo - free lunch for everybody !!!
Oct 06th, 2011 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think - anarchy over democracy! Anarchy over democracy!!
OMG, you are SO sad.
The only thing a “free” university education has done for Argentina is make it one of the most worthless degrees in the world. UBA is full of graffiti, class sizes of 500+ and an extremely low graduation rate . 60% of Argentinians don't even graduate high school lower than Bolivia! Only 14% of the students who start University finish with a a degree. So please tell me how “free” education has helped the citizens of Argentina?
Oct 06th, 2011 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing a “free” university education has done for Argentina is make it the absolutely most worthless degrees in the universe and beyond. UBA is full of graffiti, class sizes of 50,000,000,000+ and an extremely low graduation rate . 99,99999998% of Argentinians don't even graduate high school lower than Bolivia! Only 0.000000000000001% of the students who start University finish with a a degree. So please tell me how “free” education has helped the citizens of Argentina?
Oct 06th, 2011 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what a loser #14 another macaco
Oct 06th, 2011 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0** 12 geoffff
Oct 06th, 2011 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0free education doesn't mean that free lunch for everybody.
you can't apply different/private curriculum at private schools.
then ..why private school? ..for better meals !!..
i educated with many poor ,many middle class,many rich,many highly
rich students friends during my all education life in public schools..
teacher quality ?? i doubt the private schools have more on...
Geo,
Oct 06th, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what do YOU think free education means in Chile?
yes, a lot of the higher success is down to teacher quality in the private schools. The politicised philosophy etc classes so favoured by the state sector take away much time from teaching the 'core' subjects. Attendance is MUCH higher at the private schools, completion rate and level of success higher also.
You may also find that the private schools pay their teachers more, and so get the best teachers. There should be some comparative data on this.
What is a private educational establishment? A church school, an 'ethnic' school, a technical school, an International school, a private tutorial college, a language school, a dance and drama academy, a company school . . . . anything that is not the bog-standard state school.
I remember posting that it is stupid for the government to provide, on average, more funds for the private schools than the state schools (this was in a Mercopress article).
Support private education at the margin, but fund public schools totally from the public purse - ie from taxes.
#14 was that an answer to my post? Funny and Sad....
Oct 06th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0**17 geof
Oct 06th, 2011 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the main problem is here not to have private or public schools.
during my education years ,teachers are very qualified but today
they are not ,for all i see.,let's not forget that all teachers are still
educated from public schools.....
the main education problem is about the debugging of talented students.
the mostly exams are controversial and unnecessary,curriculums
are full of unproductive/unnecessary lessons.
ON the topic -
Oct 06th, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If groups of individuals stop the state from doing its civil duties, and stop the citizens of the state from taking up the state's provision, then what we have is criminal as well as civil disruption.
Those engaged in such acts cannot expect to operate with impunity.
I am surprised that the max3 year jail sentence is not already part of the standard provision for riot and insurrection, arson, destruction, etc.
Equally, max3 for the taking over of public buildings and stopping the state in performance of its civic duties is pretty small beer.. . .
I guess most countries have much tougher measures in place.
here is the Chilean gendarme the Geoff ...!! ??
Oct 06th, 2011 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you corrupt then the revolution will be necessary ...
every country has at least a few own Tahrir Squares ...!!
there is truth in the middle... many Chilean students want to follow the argentinian model of tertiary education. Not exactly because of quality, but because its comfortable... its for free.
Oct 06th, 2011 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina used to have one of the most advanced universitary systems in Latin America some decades ago. In regional university rankings, it filled and dominated the region by far. Unfortunately due to massive entrance based on accessiblity for everyone (also emigration from boundary countries), the quality has decayed considerably. Education for masses with limited budget leads to... well, no need to further detail self-explanatory processes.
Argentinian Universities do not longer lead the regional rankings for excellence. Gosh, even the much critizised system in Chile has surpassed the Argentinian system in regards to quality... and quantity.
You can check the latest study of the Top 200 Universities of Latin America published this week by QS University ranking. Argentina, being 3 times bigger in population, has the same amount of universities in the ranking like Chile.
The best Chilean University is Universidad Catolica on 2nd place in LA behind the University of Sao Paulo by minimal margin. Second best in Chile is Universidad de Chile, ranked 4th in the region. The best Argentinian one, UBA, ranks 8th behind other mexican and even colombian ones.
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/latin-american-university-rankings/2011
Therefore the aim should be for affordability, but not completely for free.
Students should still perceive they are getting something valuable. The moment it would get become gratuitous (like in Argentina), you will see the initiation of neglect.
Comparisons with other regional cases cannot be made, especially due to the high density of Institutions in Chile. The costs would be expotentially higher than in other countries in the region offering free tertiary education.
”Therefore the aim should be for affordability, but not completely for free.
Oct 06th, 2011 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Students should still perceive they are getting something valuable. The moment it would get become gratuitous (like in Argentina), you will see the initiation of neglect.“
So,
`Argentines without means do it,
Even jelly beans do it,
let´s do it . . . . ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcSwhA1S2Nc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcSwhA1S2Nc
You´ve got to love Joan Jett
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