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European leader shocked by Argentine arrogance and satisfaction over EU crisis

Thursday, October 20th 2011 - 00:03 UTC
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Spain’s former president Felipe Gonzalez said that Latin American countries which in the eighties suffered financial problems because of the debt crisis are now looking on the European economic situation with “some joy”. Read full article


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  • xbarilox

    Oh my God, Felipe is shocked! what a lady, welcome to reality *rseh*le! enjoy your crisis Spaniards, take your opinion and stick it!

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    Mr. Gonzalez forget that the Spanish crisis (the EU deepest one) is due a socialist party Gvt. which has wasted a lot of money creating the highest deficit and jobless rate ever suffered by Spain.
    Please, Mr. Gonzalez, be quiet and shut your mouth.....
    On the other hand, Europe is learning that the “welfare state” is not too easy to keep funded in the long term and people must earn his own living and do not expect it free from Gvts.
    Europe is learning that the belt must be tight and spent just what they earn, no more.
    Of course, if Europe and US fall in a recession it will affect us hardly, so I hope iy won´t happen but the adjust shall be made and ASAP.

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fido Dido

    Sergio Vega, it's not only the socialist parties who were overspending themself with borrowed money, but also the fake conservatives who continued with that stupidity. The “welfare state” in Europe is about to collapse because of both sides (left and right) and now the people are going to pay for it, while the banksters are running away with the money.

    It's not a matter of if anymore, the crisis already hits the US and Europe hardly and it will affect the rest of the world, but nations who have their house in order will come out of it, slowly. What's happening is clear, there is transfer of wealth going on and we here up north will feel it harder. If Europe and the US just let the zombie banks go, they will feel the hit but come out of it better, but ohh no, they in the EU corrupt government and in the US do not represent the people but their friends at the big mega banks and corporations who don't care at all and go where there is growth. It's not the end of the world, but the end of it as we know it today and guess what, they, like mr Gonzalez, hate it.

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think


    For those apologists of the theory of ”the “Welfare state” in Europe is about to collapse……”
    I have just four words for you: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden……..
    Take a closer look at their nearly 100 years of welfare policies and their current economical situation and then open your ideological mouth………

    And about what Felipe Gonzalez said :
    “They (Argentineans) are looking at the EU and US situations with ‘some joy’. Those ‘kinder-garden’ teachers who dictated to us in the eighties, when the debt crisis, now seem incapable of finding a way out to their own debt situation is the attitude”
    Sadly true………. The part about today and the part about the eighties……………..

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fermin

    How sad to read these uncertain affirmations. “Argentine arrogance”?? “Politicians and business leaders”?? What an imprecise phrase! As if Argentines thought all the same.

    In fact, there are some debates here on TV about the situation in the EU and the US and where the crisis is analyzed, where the voices of spanish and greek “indignados” is spread. The view on the masses that are paying the crisis in those countries is not of joy; at least for a lot of argentines (like me).

    Last night our president made this clear at a speech: ”we desire the situation (in EU and the US) to get better, we are not fools, we are connected with those economies“, our government is just giving advice: to change the medicine for the same illnesses that we suffered in this part of the world. Change the attacks agains the ”welfare state“ for more and real ”welfare state”.

    Please do not take seriously these words about joy and arrogance, they are just part of a dirty game played by the media. I am listening to the argentine radio right now and again I listen people talk seriously about the spanish situation; no one there is showing joy. In Argentina most of the society is just seeing what's going on to be sure what have we done right not to be suffering contraction in our economy today, just that.

    @4 Think : You are right, Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden are good examples of real welfare policies that have protected people agains the game that some banks wanted to play with people's money.

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    First how could anyone be surprised at Argentinian Arrogance?

    You can not compare the Nordic countries to anywhere else in the world. Each of the countries have a very small population of hard working, law abiding, tax paying citizens consistently voting in one of the most honest governments in the world. That is why a type of Welfare State can work. It can't work in large countries with a lazy and corrupt population and politicians.

    Argentina is the perfect example, rich 60 years ago now poor and getting poorer every year.

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (5) Fermin

    Nice to see yet another Argentinean poster in here expressing clear logical thinking in a polite and civil manner.

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fido Dido

    I have just four words for you: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden

    You can include the Netherlands in that list. but you forgot those are also the nations that continue to raise taxes (and where it will get higher and higher) while growth isn't that strong at all, where the youth is getting more frustraded and important for the welfare scheme, population growth is shrinking. The youth of today in those countries is working their ass off to pay for the growing older generation who they promised the world. It won't last long.

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (8) Fido Dido

    1) No, I wouldn't include Holland in the above Quartet.
    2) Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden have all, as a matter of fact, reduced taxes in the last decade. Do you homework.
    3) Yes, growth isn't that strong in those countries at the moment. They are, after all, part of the World and the World is, at the moment, going through yet another capitalist economical crisis.
    4) The youth of today in those countries is NOT working their ass off to pay for the growing older generation. The denographic challange you mention is real but, in best Scandinavian tradition, it 's being dealt with on the long term.

    You are so booooring apocalyptical................

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit86

    I don't understand why Mercopress singled Argentina out. It seems the Spanish guy was talking about South America in general.

    I don't enjoy what is happening in Europe - not because I care about Europe but because it seems this is a structural global crisis whose that will soon spread to other parts of the world. Latin America will suffer (though, imo, less than Europe and the US, wehere the crisis epicenter is located), and so will the 'superpowers' China and India.

    But I can perfectly understand the feeling. For far too long Europeans, specially Northern Europeans, harboured the stereotype of profligate, incompetent Latinos. Just see how the current UK Finances Minister - that Osbourne guy - reacted when the former Chilean president Michele Bachelet spoke in the UK about how her country had saved money for situations like 2008 financial crisis. He sneered at the thought that a Latin American could give a lesson in fiscal responsibility. So now you have it. Europeans should no longer sneer at other peoples and brag about their planning talents and economic responsibility - they should no longer brag about virtues they don't possess.

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    The four Northern European countries are indeed an wonderful example of countries who care for their people.But arent their policies closer to CFKs than some here would like to admit.I have to agree however with Think in that the lazier youth of today will bring even all of thses down with the exception of Norway which has vast resources.
    Mercopress has shown its innate anti Argentine prejudice with its “Sun” style headline but its good for its readers to know where it comes from.
    Yankeeboy really please just go to North Carolina or somewhere like that

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    I love how #9 dares to compare Argentina (aka Cristina de Kirchner) to the Scandinavian countries, that's humilliating for the To all the Scandinavians who read this article, please forgive us all the Argentines, #9 is the worst type of t*sser, the blue pill is taking its toll on the old man.

    “The four Northern European countries are indeed an wonderful example of countries who care for their people.But arent their policies closer to CFKs than some here would like to admit.” mmm yeah, we are we are we are the Scandinavia of South America hahaha, this is humilliating, that these people like CFK and her slaves make us to live in illusions and lies. Not so long ago, according to Aníbal Fernández the companion of CFK, Argentina was Switzerland, and now according to posters #9 and #11 Argentina is Scandinavia :(
    I dindn't know that the president of Finland Tarja Kaarina Halonen spent millions in shoes, and I didn't know that the PM Jyrki Katainen is a money addict who likes to buy millions of US Dollars with the money of the citizens of Finland, like Néstor Kirchner and his wife CFK do in Argentina with our money.
    Jyrki Katainen is from the National Coalition Party, interesting the concept of
    yeah, we are like the Scandinavian countries, definitely, no doubt about it hahaha

    #11 “The four Northern European countries are indeed an wonderful example of countries who care for their people.But arent their policies closer to CFKs than some here would like to admit.” I can't stop laughing at this hahaha, but at the same time it scares the sh*t out of me, because the likes of #11 and #9 are the people governing this country. They are a nutcase.

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Told you he was a loose cannon. But often we need people like him!

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    as he kissed the gunners daughter, and prayed

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    The four nortehn European countries are the exceptions that confirmmed the rule.....They are small countries, with small population that acomplish with the rules to be gifted with a “welfare state” what means to be hard workers, tax payers, sober habits, etc. as the rest of Europe are not so they don´t deserve neither can support that way of life.
    The European life expectation is near to the 80 y.o. and they are retiring from work at 60 or so y.o., so the Gvt. effort to support this cost is to big to be kept in the long term considering the pension ammounts are not in accordance with an own deposit account fed by each worker by a percentage of their salary and managed to earn profits from the economy instead that contributions be mixed with the fiscal funds where don´t receive any profit and finally the Gvt. must consider them within the annual budget with hughe ammounts wich lead to a Gvt. bankruptcy diverting the funds must be headed to other areas of the Gvt. concern.
    And, related to the Argentine economy and welfare comment to do, the facts speak by themselves.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    xbarilox you obviously hate the Kirchner government.Luckily on Sunday you will have the opportunity to be rid of her.As they have been in power for eigth years if they are all you say the Argentine people will throw them out of power just like is happening in Europe.La Nacion and Clarin the two best selling daily papers and Canal 13 the leading tv channel agree with you wholeheartedly as indeed does the top news chanel TN.So i imagine its a foregone conclusion that Cristina will go the way of governments in Portugal,Greece,England,Ireland and will happen in Spain.
    But then again La Nacion and Clarin in 66 and 76 were equally wanting to be rid of democratically elected governments but xbarilox this time there will be no military coup which is what I guess you would be happy with.
    so let us see on sunday whether the people of Argentina want a return to neo liberalism or want to continue to see economic development for all.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think


    For those that say that the Scandinavian nations can´t be used as an example because they are “small odd countries” populated by “very few, nearly perfect citizens”.........................

    I have just one word for you: GERMANY.

    After the Second World War, Germany shaped their social policies after the Scandinavian model.
    Today they are nearly indistinguishable from each other.
    Same health care system.
    Same primary, secondary and tertiary educational system.
    Same unemployment benefits system
    Same “security net” system for the “unemployable”…… etc. etc. etc…..

    And, In the middle of a quite serious capitalistic financial crisis, Germany continues to be the European engine.
    And the engine is running smoothly.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    l have very fond memories of Germany, Think.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • I

    LOL EU is in on the theft of our resources in Malvinas Argentina and they want us to be sad their economy is going to sh!t, maybe the EU should waste less time telling other how to spend their money and concentrate in fixing their own problems at home, thefting resources from Libya, Iraq or Malvinas Argentina was never the worlds option, if EU dedicated their time and resources in contructing rather then thefting maybe they wouldn't need to go to war to theft resources every other year, that is the reason we lought at your poroblems, in any case we learn from EU and USA to only ckick when someone is down, poor little EU feels picked at..

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    concidering that GERMANY is probably richer than argentina brazil and chlie put to gether,
    makes you look very silly does it not .

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Halloo, “I”. l think someone has “thefted”your brain.

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    perhaps a lot of these argie bloggers belong to the same brain .

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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