The Solidarity with Malvinas Islands Group in Mexico is organizing a round of conferences next April/June in coincidence with the 30th anniversary of the Falklands/Malvinas war to which will be invited academics both from Argentina and the UK. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesNo wonder Latin American universities are so lowly rated inthe global stage. Going into a debate or research process with a pre-determined proposition is know as investigator bias and undermines objectivity. Did this group of individuals skip their methodology lecture or something?
Oct 20th, 2011 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did this group of individuals skip their methodology lecture or something?
Oct 20th, 2011 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not, they don't have such things at Latin American universities...
I wonder just how much funding is being provided by the Argentine Government.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Probably a lot more than FIG apparently pays to Mercopress...
Oct 20th, 2011 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0How about asking the Yanks for Texas back,while they are at it :-))))
Oct 20th, 2011 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder who they will invite from the UK........and why aren't they inviting anyone from the Falklands? As it is the Islands they are intending to 'discuss' it would be rude not to invite a representative.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0It certainly makes one wonder why a University in Mexico is wasting its time on something like the Falklands, when they should be trying to solve their problems of drug-related crime.
“are under the paradox of living in the XXI century while giving continuity to conducts from the XX century”
Oct 20th, 2011 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0How quaint? Isn't that exactly what Argentina is doing? Living in the 21st century but laying claim on the basis of 17th, 18th and 19th century principles :).
Its closer, it must be ours.
The pope said so.
Spain had it before, therefore logically we must own it.
We once had 30 people and a collection of mud huts.......
the UK however:
We have had continuous sovereignty far longer than any other nation combined.
Our co-nationals entering 6-7 generations now, have lived there far longer than any other co-national.
Our co-nationals as a distinct peoples and identity to the rest of the UK have the inalienable right to self-determination.
I seriously doubt anyone from the UK with objectivity, honesty, or an academic reputation worth mention would attend such a conference having a re-destined conclusion, organised by a one-sided political group that was created on the initiative of a bent Argentine Politician promoting a false history, false evidence, and a false claim.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The idea is a joke.
It wont surprise me, if they bring in the former editor of the Guardian who seems hell bent on allowing Argentina colonise the Falklands, whos name fails me, as the UK representative.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mexico is run by a narco maffia corrupt financial elite, as is much of latin America, Charvez was the one shining light in Latin America.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one takes these morons seriously, certainly not in the UK.
They know that Argentina isn't a latin American country, it is a Latin European country transplanted in South America, totally different from the rest of the continent apart from language and a shared history of murdering political dissidents at the behest of the CIA!
UNAM Dean Dr. Narro Robles said that the Solidarity Group is fully supportive of Argentina and that the powerful nations of the world ignoring UN resolutions “are under the paradox of living in the XXI century while giving continuity to conducts from the XX century”.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AMEN
UNAM The National Autonomous University of Mexico, (UNAM) is the most important Mexican university and was founded in 1551. Is the second oldest university in the Americas just behind the Autonomous University of Santo Domingo.
UNAM is the largest university in Latin America and it was ranked the best in Latin America, Spain and Portugal according to a study conducted by The Times some years ago. A study by the Beijing University also considered UNAM to be the best university in the region and most important university in the Spanish-speaking world
@ 6RedBaron: problems of drug-related crime are not exclusively mexican. It would be foolish to ignore that in fact, the money to support drug factories comes from abroad. Don't forget that the cocaine produced in Mexico and Colombia end-up in Northamerican noses :S I am not surprised of you expecting every country solving their own problems. I wonder how true it is that seeing neighbors as enemies is a tradition in Europe. Also, empires are rarely friend of multilateral foreign policies.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 JustinKuntz: I wonder just how much funding is being provided by the Argentine Government.
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@1 Beef: Did this group of individuals skip their methodology lecture or something?
I hope comments like these are law rated at Universities in your country. Most of the times I read words of those who support the British Government position in this news website I notice the usage of the common sense that reduces the Latinamerican governments to evil unscrupulous characters who would spit over law and whose power corrupts more and more the countries they rule. Honestly, I relate these ideas more to a hollywood movie than to serious lectures at Universities. Unfortunately, in Latinamerica we suffer the power of those we cannot vote: business leaders from foreign corporations. You would be amazed to know that the real power in Latinamerica has been for a long time behind the scenes; it is normal and not surprising that when noble values finally come to our National Institutions these powers will come up with any lie or unresponsible Headlines at the media they control.
Your common sense has answer to everything: if a country shows itself sympathetic of the Argentine position it is for sure something related to Argentinian Government paying something back. If our leaders say something about Malvinas it is for sure not more than something related to Elections...
Cheers for those who ask interesting questions in stead of giving childish answers in here!
BE CRITIC! THINK...
BE CRITIC! THINK....
Oct 20th, 2011 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like the mighty coincidence that the Malvinas rhetoric reaches underheard levels solely during election or national celebrations with promises that the Islands will be returned to Argentina within one presidential term?
Every country has a national scapegoat to blame for everything, we in the UK and Falklands unfortunately fit that bill for you guys, the Falklands are a tried tested and effective vote winner come election time, just look at the publicity of your leaders attacks on the UK.......always at election or public scandal time :)
Look at it this way Feline, would an Argentine presidential candidate win any votes if one of his/her election manifesto promises was the dropping of the sovereignty claim or the initialising of diplomatic relations with the people of the Falklands based on the twin pillars of friendship and democracy.....don't think so :)
The Falklands and the UK are a convenient scapegoat to get the sizeable rabid nationalist vote foaming at the mouth with indignant outrage, just like the Jews and socialists served as scapegoats in Germany, the blacks in South Africa, the Whites in Zimbabwe, the Infidels in Iran, the Palestinians in Israel.......Nationalism to gain votes never changes :)
Rest assured Fermin come the end of election time the pages of Mercopress are going to be distinctly vacant of the regular feature of huffing and puffing Argentine politicians :)
Hey, guys, don't get so upset.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a set of partisan presentations under the auspices of 'The Solidarity with Malvinas Islands Group (Mexico division).'
We see the same sort of thing all over the world with partisan meetings For Palestine, Against Palestine, For Israel, Against Iran, for North Korea, Against the USA, For free trade, Against the Banks, etc, etc, etc, etc.
The Mexican Autonomous University (UNAM) has the dilemma all universities have when they offer their conference facilities to (eg.)human rights abuser groups, anti-abortionists, paedophile groups, radical animal rights, racist organizations, etc.
The university's reputation as a place of balanced debate and analysis becomes compromised and its status amongst its peers becomes much reduced.
The Mexican university must have weighed this in the balance when it accepted the booking; the Chancellor/Vice-Chancellor would have been consulted, but most importantly, the Chief Finance Officer would have told the boss Accept the booking - we need the money!
Marcos - being the best of a crap bunch is nothing to be proud of! Actually it is pretty embarrassing!
Oct 20th, 2011 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still, I doubt they would let you in.
As I type many times here, they are ugly people not only from the outside, but also from the inside.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Coming from the person who speaks with utter hate and contempt every time he posts, One might look inwards first.
it's posted that in the wrong story.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 010 Some anti fascist you are I suppose you were a Falange supporter.what a load of fascist rubbish you write.Argentina is of course a Latin American country which like almost all the others has a very strong link with Europe.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geoffrey you are such a pontificate it beggars belief that you are living in the North of Brasil?Pity some of that easy going way doesnt enter your soul.Really a little Borges instead of all that self important stuff you read would help.
THe English here i think protest too much the ever increaseing Latin American support for the liberation of the Malvinas is obviously a worry in London.
O gara, the liberation of the islands took place in 1982 when Menendez decide to surrender. You can see the surrender document for yourself if you wish, it is on public display.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering there will be two rigs drilling in FI waters I doubt there is much evidence of actual worry.
Argentina is unwilling to take any legal action and if bullets did start flying you will find support for Argentina will vanish pretty quickly.
#18.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0O´G, you cut me to the quick!
Here I am saying, #14 Hey, guys, don't get so upset, and you tell me off for pontificating!
Nothing could be more Bahian than my way of saying Chill!
Cool it, brother.
Latin American support for the liberation of the Malvinas/Falklands . is obviously a worry in London.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes a great big worry
What with 18 O gara in charge of things a very big worry,
what can the British do, oh the power against us is fantastic, the argie bloggers are growing in confidence, they are about to invade, with Argentina behind, followed by brazil and Mexico, and the rest of Latin America, millions of men thousands of planes and hundreds of ships, the big [3] are getting London and the British government so scared and frightened, their only one thing we can do, if we want to survive this massive onslaught,
[Sit down and have a nice cuppa]
And it will all go away, like all fairy stories its just a dream, zzzzzz
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Tea, the best way to solve your problems, olol
Geoffrey amigo i am thankfully well chilled with a very nice malbec.The delights of Mendoza can even warm the autumn winds here.But thanks for the thought.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Briton poor boy I understand you cannot get beyond thoughts of violence(a dificult childhhod perhaps)but do consider that your lord and masters in London will be only too willing to deal with a rich Argentina.In London they are much more pragmatic
The Group which was created on the initiative of Argentina ambassador in Mexico, Patricia Vaca Narvaja Do you British people know who is this woman Patricia Vaca Narvaja? and what she was doing in her younger years? Read a little about that woman and you will find out what type of trash Patricia Vaca Narvaja is.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos/Ogosh - we have seen these before - they went on even pre 1982 between BA and London witha minority fringe group in London consisting of a handfull of folk with pro Arg anti Brit feelings for a variety of reasons.
Oct 21st, 2011 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0This one will be NO different - a gathering of anti Brit chums - who know NOTHING about the modern Islands, expenses mysteriously paid for by and untraceable sourse!
Will anyone from UK be invited other than those with a known pro-Arg view - NO. Will anyone at all be invited to attend from the Islands - DEFINATLEY NO.
So jusy a bit more frantic hot air - Ogosh - this hot air is getting more and more frantic because ARG is FAILING in its demands and threats! She has achieved ZERO effective practical progress over 5 years - come on maybe you can tell me the -Practical and Effective- anti Island measures of support from S America please - not words and theories- practical evidence only.Exclude the HMS Clyde/Brazil incident - that was a clueless cockup by London considering the timing!
#12 Fermin,
Oct 21st, 2011 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me why a group of supposed academics on a supposed academic study would not actually visit the place that they're supposedly studying in a neutral manner of actually talk to the people they're passing judgement on.
So given that this an Argentine initiative, I do wonder what they're getting for it, because its not like any academic from Mexico would decide to look out of pure intellectual curiousity. I think Mexico has enough problems of much greater priority.
Justin,
Oct 21st, 2011 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0many Social Science academics are adept at producing conference papers on eg.
An analysis of the importance in the maintenence of sustained propaganda in the conditionioning of world opinion in the Malvinas post-conflict environment; A desk study
This could be done by any S.S. researcher anywhere in the world at virtually no cost. A paper with this title defines its partiality in the title and would therefore be welcome at the 'Conference'.
The researcher would gain another international paper presentation for his/her C.V. which would help towards Tenure, a permanent place on the faculty staff, depending on the paper's frequency of citation by others in subsequent papers on the topic.
Only the dead have seen the end of war ?
Oct 21st, 2011 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PLATO,
a shame then,
the living dont learn ?
@11
Oct 21st, 2011 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“UNAM is the largest university in Latin America and it was ranked the best in Latin America, Spain and Portugal according to a study conducted by The Times some years ago. A study by the Beijing University also considered UNAM to be the best university in the region and most important university in the Spanish-speaking world”
Mud hut level then!
when are the british occupyers going home, we never did like pirats in Argentina we should start taking and occupying british frims in Argentina untill all the british frims go back to UK. besides we have the patagonia natives who demand the return of Islas Malvinas Argentina, britards might change the name of our land but we know what's called and where it is, nothing was ever lost, we are just waiting them our, or building a good nuclear deffence programs to blow them out of the map as they did in Libya.
Oct 21st, 2011 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I
Oct 21st, 2011 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the nut nut from Canada aka pirate hunter
when are the british occupyers going home
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are home.
Besides, we have the patagonia natives, who demand the return......
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Had to laugh at that one, as the RGs made a pretty good attempt to blow the patagonian natives off the map themselves, so why the sudden concern for them now? Is it the plan to forcibly re-house all the remaining patagonians to the Falklands?
As for the returning the Falklands- they were never part of Argentina in the first place, so they can't be returned!
Surely a nuclear defence programme is exactly that- for defence, not to attack people to blow them out of the map!!! (There won't be much left for you if you do that!!).
Aside from all the lunatic rantings, I still have not read any support or in any forum for a legitimate claim on the S. Sandwich and S. Georgia islands, so what is the basis for an Argentinian claim on these?
@29 Hello, nurse............ The nutjob's loose again.
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello nutjob. What's a frim? The Falklands were never yours, nutjob. It's a lie put about by your chief nutjobs. I didn't realise we'd changed the name of Argentina, nutjob. What do we call it? You do realise that if we'd built a good nuclear deffense program in Libya, we wouldn't have won. But we did win, didn't we? Without even putting our feet on the ground. Let's see whether I can get far enough through your psychotic hatred to have you understand something quite simple. In Libya, there was a whole bunch of people that we were trying to help. Therefore, we wanted to avoid hurting them. If we have to take you people on again, there won't be anyone in Argentina like that. Everyone in Argentina will be an enemy. Everyone in Argentina will be a target.
O gara
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you? Irish or Argentine? Or just another colonial? You sound like a fascist moron!
You people really make me sick. You think imperialism is only imperialism if a 19C power is exercising imperialism. Argentina is an Empire, a country 28 x larger than England, a vast suave of land conquered at the end of the gun by a bunch of European colonists who ethnically cleansed the Ameridians!
Argentina's history is one of racism and fascism. Peronism is by definition FASCISM. Your government is a dynasty, a revolving door for peronists and their relations! It is an hilarious example of nepotism and corruption on a grand scale.
To have conqured a country the size of Argentina isn't good enough, your designs are on Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Terra del Fuego, South Georgia, the South Samwitch Islands, South Orkney Islands, Southern Thule and of course the Falkland Islands.
Tell me what other kind of moron would get so worked up about a group of islands they have never owned, the population of which don't want anything to do with them? Only an imperialist neo-fascist monstrosity.
Your bent politicians can get your nationalists worked up into a frenzy in a matter of minuets... other Norwegian flag vessles they mistake as ships involved in the Falklands.
You are suffering from a psychosis.
Go back to Ireland O Gara. You imbecilic fascist moron. You all piss me the **** off. I'd like to take your head off!!! My grandparents fought a war against you morons. You never change.
The people of the Falklands don't want anything to do you with comprede? Understand son?
Stupid little boy!
Anti-Fascist!!!! what a name .The reality is I worry for your welfare.You are obviously under great strain perhaps a long time recuperating in some quite place would help.anyway that is merely an amatuar suggestion you need to speak to someone with real knowledge of your condition.
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You tell me your grandparents fought a war against the Irish.Is it not sad that the oligarchs havent even tried to improve the poor people on the peripehries situation even marginally.
Poor boy you have my deepest sympathies.
O gara
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0My grandparents fought a war against fascism O Gara. Half of my grandparents were Irish, one of them lost their life in the Battle of the Atlantic to keep Europe free. How little you understand!
Answer this O Gara, what did you do, while your government were throwing children out of the backs of airplanes?
What did you do? Did you get the flags out on 2nd April 1982? Or did you shed a tear for what these monkeys were doing and refuse to play a part in it?
Anti-facist, I would like to point out that our good friend O'Gara is not actually Irish but a sock puppet creation by one of the Argie Bloggers here Fido Dido as well........
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0No surprise there then.
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These ain't Mexicans .............. they're Mexican'ts :-)
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if this growing Latin American nationalism will include demands for the independence of, or return of the territory conquered by the USA during the Spanish American War and various wars with Mexico?
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh look it already has -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_(Mexico)
Seems to me fascism is taking off again in Mexico. Of course these Latin American's love the Amerindians, they have oppressed for hundreds of years, and the love racial integration, although the black populations continue to be characterised by poverty, crime, prison and slum dwelling!
Seems to me the average Latin America nationalist is wearing invisible clothes. They are the only people who fail to notice.
Join to me at facebook: Paren los vuelos de LAN a Malvinas
Oct 24th, 2011 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, you are all wrong about Mexico: it's a stable, well educated, law-abiding and model democracy. The evidence is there, for all to see. So, from that matrix the world will listen to their recommendations ; Mexico has no reasons for diverting attention from the scant internal problems it has to scapegoat Islands that are thousands of miles away. Be honest.
Oct 24th, 2011 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0according to the news last night
Oct 24th, 2011 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mexico has real problems with these cartels, and hundreds of bodies are turning up all over the place,
not a place for a relaxing holiday, at the moment .
Room101
Oct 25th, 2011 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time for a REALITY CHECK on Mexico -
A great modern country - a country in which my Mexican friend has to hide her real identity on the internet for fear of kidnapping, as happened to her brother 3 years ago. He turned up dead!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42232161/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/more-will-die-mexico-drug-wars-claim-us-lives/
Thousands more links above like that one.
Unfortunately while Latin America continue to be driven by greed and corruption, it is going to continue to produce morons who will tear their societies apart. Meanwhile the CIA comes in and plays different sides off against each other, bribing anyone they need to in order for their corporations to buy up everything from water to blood supplies!
Interestingly all MERCOSUR can think about is the Falkland Islands.
The American's must be laughing their head off at the level of corruption and stupidity in South America.
Interestingly all MERCOSUR can think about is the Falkland Islands.
Oct 25th, 2011 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, only Argentina.
The American's must be laughing their head off at the level of corruption and stupidity in South America.
Don't think so. Corruption makes life VERY difficult for USA and other developed nations needing trade and stable international relations. When anybody can buy any politician no country benefits.
GeoffWard2
Oct 25th, 2011 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You obviously don't understand how America carries out international affairs!
Read a book by John Perkins called Economic Hit Man. Who do you think ran Operation Condor throughout Latin America? Assisted the coups, ran covert ops, the war on drugs (like the war on terror is just an excuse to exercise dominance over other nations), the invasions - Panama, Guatemala, Grenada, Hati, Dominican Republic, Cuba, etc. With friends like America you don't need enemies.
Agreed that corruption makes stable international relations difficult but do you believe that is what America wants? It's not the way they have established their hegemony. The Middle East is a mess.... for a reason! There are libraries of books on this.
Start with Machiavelli: The Prince... the guy was a raving lonatic but then... so are they.
Oct 26th, 2011 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rather like these Argentine nationalist loons.
inplanted occupyers, pirats and crooks to be more specific.
Oct 26th, 2011 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The new world order is being fought over in this fourth world war by trading agreements, tying up and tying in the nations of the world. The Economic Hit Man is history.
Oct 26th, 2011 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The USA NEEDS to re-establish 'area control' of this continent because it has been allowed to drift far from its historic sphere of influence. The form of the battles and the type of the war has been defined by (and is being won by) China and South Korea. For the US to compete again it needs stable circumstances and a more pragmatic outlook, dealing with the nations as they are, rather than how it wishes they were. It annoys me to say this, as I believe that dealing ethically and without corruption is the way to go, but it is not the way things are done here in South America - or in many other parts of the world.
O'Gara is not actually Irish but a sock puppet creation by one of the Argie Bloggers here Fido Dido as well........
Oct 26th, 2011 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fido Dido is sock puppet creation and not from the netherlands?
That would explain alot of his anti-chilean chant...
Many of you are wrong about the universities in Lat.Am.: Although not high on the QS World University Ranking (based on citation and «academic reputation»), the quality of students is on par with any developed nation. They are as knowledgeable as their peers, often working harder. Their hindrance is not their education, but cultural and systemic obstacles. A critique is that there is still too much theory, especially in the public universities.
Oct 26th, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A Westerner living in Latin America, I observe in first person that in Latin America it's not as much an intellectual capacity problem as it is a management one. These are some fundamental obstacles for development:
Systemic corruption, lack of pragmatism, bad distribution of wealth, corporate interference with legislation, politics and election campaigns. These are issues that take time to resolve.
It's hard to evaluate whether a president is «good» or not, since there are some many forces at play; Mr. Christ himself wouldn't be able to govern here 'perfectly' (besides, as far as I know, he doesn't hold a degree in Public Policy or Law or Business Administration) with all the powerful vultures.
Leadership in Latin American countries is slowly getting there. They are starting to realise that there is much to gain from proper leadership, regulation, enforcement and resource management, not to mention 'sustainability', which is still not well understood neither in China nor the US.
Abundant with both finite and renewable natural resources and increasingly better management of them... I see a quickly narrowing wealth gap between Latin America and the West.
On the basis of the British invasion of Río de la Plata I have been able to establish that Argentina is in fact owned by Great Britain.
Oct 29th, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been tabling a series of motions at the UN in order to officially establish this claim to Argentina. There is historical president for this, on the basis of an almost 200 year invasion of the Falkland Islands by a German and some British ex patriots, Argentina claims the Falkland Islands.
I can establish as historical fact that Río de la Plata was invaded by Britain and that this claim was never renounced, there is over 200 years of continued British claim to Argentina.
This makes all Argentines suject to British law and taxation. I am planning to get Buenos Aires renamed Port of Britain. Argentina will be called Bairdland, after the leader of British forces in the first occupation of Río de la Plata.
It is important to state that this did not happen just once - as in the Argentine claim to the Falklands......... but twice!
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