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“Closer political links with Brazil” can be expected if CFK is re-elected
The most certain re-election of Cristina Fernandez as Argentina president on Sunday 23 October is expected to signal more intense and closer relations with Brazil, expanding to other foreign affairs issues and working on a shared international agenda according to analysts from both countries . Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment ruleswhere is Dilma' s father from in Bulgaria ??
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0maybe my grandfather was knowing him !! who had intelligence
tasked at many where in Middle East/ World War II/ Europe/
Latin America...in between 1920 s....1979 years on.
It's a bit of a sexist put-down to suggest that these two women presidents can only succeed in the presence of male political mentors.
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stepping back a bit, you can see the parallel with West (senior partner) and East Germany (junior partner). Closer political links after the (trade) Wall came down enabled both parties to come to dominate Europe - in a better way than two world wars were able to do.
Argentina can succeed in re-joining the developed world if, and only if, she is willing to become the junior partner and work FOR Brasil's interests, rather than AGAINST them, as has been the case in recent times.
Talk is cheap, CFK; actions are much more committing.
Perhaps they will unify the two countries under one nation one flag,
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who knows what these two are cooking up .
Geoffrey I would really love to know what you are on in Bahia its melting those old brain cells well its either that or you just read Jornal do Brasil and the Telegraph.
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its absolutely of vital importance to both nations to integrate closely.Argentina far from working against Brasils interest is importing brasilian goods at a fantastic rate despite the propaganda you read here.
However Argentina has more potential than Brasil on a per capita basis.Education,Security,Health,quality of life are much higher in Argentina than in Brasil overall.Argentinas growth is powering ahead at a much higher level than its bigger neighbour.This has been disguised by the strong real policy but there is no doubt the average Argentine consumer gets a better deal than his Brasuca neighbour.Just ask the millions of Brasilian tourists in Argentina,Maybe you should come down and throw off those preconceptioons
“Education,Security,Health,quality of life are much higher in Argentina than in Brasil overall”
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is only partly true. Per capita income aren't actually that much different. It favours Argentina in part because Brazil is dragged down by the northern half of the country. In the southern part of the country, where most of the population lives, the difference are neglible except in security, and actually favours in Brazil when it comes to income. São Paulo alone has a higher GDP than any South American nation. As for education, our results on the PISA tests, published last year, were better than Argentina's, and Brazil has been improving since our students started taking the tests in 2000. Argentina's results, by contrast, are worsening with time. In higher education Brazil also fares better as we have more top-ranked universities in international comparisons.
But Brasils PBI is only close because of the artificially high real.Genuine buying power within the country is much better in Argentina.Nobody could deny Sao Paolo is the powerhouse of South America but if you were an average Jose would you live in Sao Paolo or Buenos Aires?.I have been in both many times there are no comparisons statistics or no statistics.
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree Brasilain education is improveing and Argentinas once excellent system has serious dificulties.I think CFK is going to put a big effort to change this.
Again Sao Paolos GDP maybe higher but is the quality of life?
@O gara
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Per capita income in purchasing power parity is about 11,000 dollars in Brazil and 15,000 in Argentina. I don't think that's such a large difference. If we took into account exchange rate, then, as you said, the Brazilian real would make a difference. But our per capita income would in fact surpass Argentina's, instead of simply closing the gap.
As for where I'd live... I would pick Buenos Aires if I took into account aesthetics. As a whole, São Paulo is one ugly ass city, though it can be interesting on account of its diverse landscapes. Security-wise, I think Buenos Aires is superior, though São Paulo is far from being Brazil's worst capital in this respect. But taking materialistic concerns alone I would pick São Paulo. São Paulo offers more job opportunities. Compare the unemployment rate in the two regions, or rather in the two countries. Though, as you pointed, Argentina's growth is a lot higher, Brazil has a lower unemployment rate.
@forgetit87
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i dont disagree Brasils pbi is higher now with the high real but what I am saing with thye actual costs within the borders Argentines live better.
In fairness unemployment at under 8% in BA is i think as low as SP or Rio
As for Sao paolo not being Brasils most violent place Gran Buenos Aires is on a different planet to the rest of Argentina where in many places doors are still open
I am in Avenida Brigadeiro Faria Lima, São Paulo, Pinheiros Sport Club having a pizza and watching the team;
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0and here there are no averages.
This is where the money speaks.
Though it is a butt-ugly city for the most part, the vibrancy of growth and development leaves western Europeans gasping for breath at the rate of change.
Nowhere in SA can match this part, of this city, of this country.
(Come on the girls! You can make it to the 4x100 Medley London Olympics!)
Come over to Recoleta Nuñez or Palermo pibe you dont know how to live
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Perhaps they will unify the two countries under one nation one flag”
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would not work. There are to many differences. Take Brazil and divide it's 5 regions (North, North-East, South-East, South, Central West), each of those alone, literally has it's own culture, what took me years to understand. What they only share is the Federal flag and the Portuguese language, though in some States you can hear a dialect, because of the many immigrants they received in the past and still do today. Argentina as whole is for a great part empty and majority of the people are concentrated in the Buenos Aires province. There are cultural differences, but it's smaller. Argentina isn't a multi cultural at all, what Brazil is for years and even beats the US what experts in and from the US and Brazil explained to me.
“However Argentina has more potential than Brasil on a per capita basis.Education,Security,Health,quality of life”
Brazil is already leading Argentina in being the leader of Latin America on the world stage, GDP, PPP, Argiculture, Finance, Technology and in higher education. I'm not typing here that Argentina doesn't has Potential to grow. It does but needs to show far more fiscal discipline and it doesn't do that so far. Argie consumer and high educated labor market is smaller than in Brazil to overtake Brazil in the long term. the State of Sao Paulo alone beats Argentina. Quality of life and security, it's above and equal with Brazil's north, north-eastern and Central states but under the south eastern and southern States.
“Come over to Recoleta Nuñez or Palermo pibe you dont know how to live”
I've been there and I understand your rivalry, but with “vibrancy”, SP beats it + even he most influential liberal magazine in the world NY Times, according to most foreigners, names Brazil the most exciting nation on earth and the megacity that “truly” never sleeps is Sao Paulo, though that title belongs to NYC and Cariocas (city of Rio) fiercely disagree with.
i love Brasil more than Argentina
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0WHY
becouse that they have beatifull women/sun/mild climate/no stress
“no stress”
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is a stereotype, dear geo.
Bureaucracy, the highest taxes in the Southern hemisphere, traffic clogged streets, are daily reality around here. As for the pretty women, I wouldn't believe we're better off in this respect than most of our neighbors.
Re Forgetit's pretty women:
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can make little comment about Argentinian women, other that that they look exactly like European women - which is not surprising.
Brasilian women, especially those with an admixture of genes, meet the western stereotype of beauty pretty perfectly.
But I am sure that, to their men-folk, the women of Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia, etc, etc, are prettiness personified.
The economic stuff Geoffrey is simply poppycock.
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brasil with its 200 million population saw in the first nine months of 2011 record car sales of just under 2 million units.
Argentina with 40 million one fifth of the population also saw record car sales of almost 700,000 more than one third of the Brasilian figure.
This shows in clear terms where exactly both are in terms of consumer power.
As for Women Gentlemen the Brasilians maybe quick to show some piel but nothing but nothing compares to the Chicas in BA
@O gara
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cars in Brazil are way, way, way more expensive than in Argentina, and credit around here is far more expensive as well. Your figure would actually point an advantage in Brazil terms of income.
Btw, here's an article on how much more expensive cars around here are compared to elsewhere in the world.
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.terra.com.br/economia/infograficos/compare-precos-carros-brasil-mundo/
“Enquanto um Honda Fit financiado em uma concessionária brasileira custa US$ 37 mil, o mesmo veículo custa cerca de US$ 20 mil nos Estados Unidos. Na vizinha Argentina, o Fit financiado custa US$ 23 mil, conforme apurado pela CSM South America.”
This has a lot to do with ou high tax burden:
“Diferenças tão grandes nos preços são explicadas, em parte, pelos impostos. Na Argentina, a carga tributaria em um automóvel varia de 15% a 20%. No México, 20%. Já no Brasil, fica entre 27% e 40%.”
http://www.terra.com.br/economia/infograficos/compare-precos-carros-brasil-mundo/
Brasil/2010/ total vehicle production ...3.644.034 units
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina/2010/total vehicle production ... 695.626 units
Brasil/2010/internal vehicle sold ... 3.453.253 units
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina/2010/internal vehicle sold ... 262.532 units.
The 2011 figures above are absolutely up to date. 2011 we live in amigos.The fact that Brasil is more expensive than Argentina exactly proves my point Brasil may have higher pbi but Argentines live better.
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.adefa.com.ar has the official figures for Argentina car sales and production.
Production in 2010 geo was 716540 not 695000.This production has already reached 627558 in nine months so expect something close to 800,000 in 2011 with sales close to 850,000.
** o gara
Oct 24th, 2011 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0true
BUT
we can't compare these two countries as their auto industry structures.
Argentina: 9 meses/2011
production : 627.558.......exports :387.776 units
means that Argentina is more depend on exportation than Brasil does.
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