The Argentine representative before United Nations, Jorge Argüello claimed that the UK “defies the whole of South America” when it impedes Argentina from patrolling its own waters and exercising sovereignty over its own spaces. Read full article
If I know Italians, they were more interested in what was for lunch.
The boys a typical Argie fool, believes his own cr*p.
And trying to get ALL of South America involved? Even that bunch of tin-pot dictatorships and banana Republics know better than to trust Argentina.
“ … He went there; stayed there not 3 months – just long enough to embroil his country in a senseless and wicked quarrel with the Government; and, without waiting for orders from his Government, demanded his passports and came home. Nothing but the imbecility of that South American abortion of a state saved him from indelible disgrace and this country from humiliation in that concern ..”
It is all a smog to hide Argentina's economic woes. But it is unsustainable. We bloggers help to keep it going for longer. I wonder why that is. Perhaps its a desire for at least temporary authorship. Like the promulgations of the good Ambassador, on behalf of a temporary government. Sad: Argentina if sincerely could be liked and involved. No denying it is potentially a great country.
Much quicker that way to link with the Islanders.
anyone else feel like helping me sponsor a professional violinist to follow this sad little clown around so that his self pitying hysterics can at the very least be accompanied by a fitting soundtrack?
also wasn't he supposed to be coughing up evidence that the islanders secretly receive all their money from the British government? because it seems that he abandoned that joke fairly quickly, and is now desperately playing for time as he stops off in Italy until he can think of an argument doesn't so instantly fall apart under the slightest scrutiny
and when the man your nation elects to be your official representative towards the entire world has less class, charm and basic intelligence than the bloated corpse of Qaddafi, and whom seems intent on showing just how deeply delusional, pathetic, obnoxious and above all impotent Argentina really is, you really have to wonder whether mass slaughtering the natives, stealing their land and replacing them with European settlers was really worth such a joke of a country being brought into existence.
Ha what a fool, The other South American countries probably love the fact that their aggressive neighbour is pinned down by the UK. Lets face it if Argentina ever got its hands on all that oil it would more than likely build up its military & start invading them.
The boys a typical Argie fool,and not done his homework
Maybe the Swiss should stamp and scream like the Argies
Campione d'Italia and LivignoThe Italian enclave village of Campione d'Italia is totally surrounded by Switzerland's Ticino (Tessin) canton as well as Lake Lugano (Lake Ceresio) and is in the Province of Como, whilst Livigno, a small and remote mountain resort town, is in the Italian province of Sondrio. Although part of the EU, they are excluded from the customs union and VAT area, with Livigno's tax status dating back to Napoleonic times.[2] Moreover, legal tender in Campione d'Italia is the Swiss Franc, even with the euro widely accepted.[
During World War II, the US Office of Strategic Services (OSS, the predecessor of the CIA) maintained a unit in Campione and used it for operations into Italy.[citation needed] At the time the pro-Nazi Italian regime did not have control over the exclave. The Swiss turned a blind eye to the situation as long as the Americans kept a low profile. Separate stamps were issued during this period
given the fact we are one of the most economically, geopolitically, and militarily powerful nations as well as one of the most influential cultural powers on earth, i would say infinitely more people care about the UK than who care about a diseased third world hellhole built on the land of slaughtered innocents.
thats why our UN representative is right now doing his Job at the UN, and was formerly the President of the Security Council, whereas your one is on a self pitying tour of whoring the dignity of his nation in a futile quest for anything resembling genuine support.
still i guess bitter jealousy is understandable given your situation.
I don't see ambassador Arguello's problem. Britain isn't denying Argentina the right to patrol its own waters or denying South America the right to exercise sovereignty over its territory.
It's just that the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Shetland Islands have waters of their own. And they are not Argentine. Get used to it!
I wonder how Argentina would feel if Colombia suddenly turned round and said that it thought it should exercise sovereignty over South Georgia? That possibility is implicit in Arguello's words.
But, of course, it's merely indicative that Argentines don't have a brain cell between their bum cheeks, never mind about where human beings keep theirs.
And in case anyone thinks that my last comment implies that Argentines aren't human, I need to set the record straight. I'm not implying it, I'm saying it.
Peronists from the Tony Soprano or countries, Argentina, want the Falklands so they can have more territory to pillage. Botox Evita will strip the earth like a locust
dear brothers sleep quietness pirates stolen their islands will soon return to their rightful owners by the Latin America Unit to take vengeance on all the oppression and once unleashed barbaerie. missiles or their parents or USA to save them. to sleep in the cold south while caregivers from the cold north send send boat people will not help the Latin America stands as a limitless arm !.... bye
Please, the last thing we need in this time is war.
Yes, famine defies Argentina and its previous and current government is doing nothing to prevent the quickly development of humger in the take two to tango's country.
Argentina must focus on education and innovation to become a leader in the region and in the world, because as it is, this south american country has not created a single item yet that the world has been benefited from.
There is ample room to development in medicine, space, marine world, sustain economic development and health, so Argentina go and search for it.
Arguello is doing a terrific job.The vitriolic being poured on his head by the English cheerleaders on here merely emphasizes how he is getting under their skin.This campaign by Argentina must be ongoing in every international forum especially in the Americas.Latin americans must take ownership of the Malvinas issue as never before and the eventually the London elite will see the light
You right, anyway let me add that Arguello´s excelent job is only one of many tools in Take two for Tango tour context and Argentina´s diplomacy for the future....when Arguello finish his time, there´ll be another one and later another one and son on until infinitum every time stronger......until recover in peace Malvinas Islands to Argentina, their legal owners.
just looking how our dear invaders reacts seem that is a touche nerve somewhere.
Logically this Argentina´s policy is the right way....in peace and without lost the main goal, step by step with smart moves.
And yes...you mess with Argentina, you´ll mess not only with Unasur (btw, anyone see the Unsasur Defense Council statments ?) rather with complete LatAm and with some BIG players...guess who are :)
Jorge Argüello is a heor of Argentina for standing up against British pirates.
He hates the British, we all hate British pigs. They are sub human.
We will own las Malvinas and people there will have no rights. THeir history we alreay re wirtie for them, our hero James Peck is show them a way out they can be reborn Argentine. The rebirthing process will make them pure again and wash away all of their sins as pairates.
I will say this only once be rebirthed now and you can ve saved.
Argüello is related to me. He only speak the truth.
All you piarates will soon be sent home, i do not care where you go but it will not be on our land. We own your land. Your land belongs to Argentina and it will be our farmers and fishermen who will inherit your land and sea.
We want the oil and you will not have this oil. We do not like any of you.
You can be rebirthed now as Argentine like the great James Peck, nad this will wash away all of your sins as pirates. or you can go, leave our islands, you been there too long!
Allthough most people in this forum denies it, or make fun at it, arguello is telling the truth, everybody knows that we can't patroll and explote the natural recources from the islands, if we dont get a licence firstly from the islander government, like all the foreign nations must to do, it doesen't consider that argentina has right on the islands, which is very arguable, but at the same time, it rejects to resume the negotiations for the sovereignty which is the main problem of this question. In the same way that the islanders defend their right to self determination, we defend also our territorial integrity, and that's why it's necesary that the three parts can find a fair solution for the sovereignty issue, which must be discussed, no matter if the islanders wish it or not, none resolution from the u. n affirms that the negotiations for the sovereignty must be resumed only if the population from the islands wish it, the rejection of the islanders and the u. k. are just a hipocrite and pathetic excuse, which purpose, is to keep argentina out from the islands.
On the other hand, when c. f. k said before the u. n. that argentina is not asking the u. k. to comply with the resolutions under the recognizement of the sovereignty, that destroys the ignorant argument that you invoke all the time, that holds that the only one outcome for argentina, is that the islands are only under our sovereignty, she is saying that we are disposed to find a fair solution for the sovereignty issue.
Such hysteria!
But the facts are the facts little Englanders - and I can understand your impotent rage - for the world has changed and even France treats you with contempt. President Sarkozy even told your Prime Minister that Britain is irrelevant to the European Union.
Your time is over so get used to it. Stop whining and howling like little schoolboys and sit at the back of the class - where you can dream about your glorious past when you could annhilate entire cultures and chop up other people's lands with impunity.
fanta
just as then Argentine people are irrelevant to CFK and her government, and as you have given her free rain over you, the people of the Falkland Island's, can stand back and watch as she brings you all to your kness,
I believe that a number of years ago Jorge Argüello's family ranch was once in the possession of a distant relative of mine. If I am given enough time to distort the truth and shout about it enough then maybe, just maybe I can convince everyone that that is the case and it will be returned to my family.
Sound familiar?
The Argentine's act like a bunch of spoilt children who believe that if they continue to nag, winge and whine that they will get what they want because everyone else will get bored and give in to them.
or uck acke grow up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fantasy - Sarkozy didn't say we were irrelevant to the EU. He said we were not in a position to comment on the Euro zone. As we are not a Euro zone country then I can see his point.
If we are not important or powerful anymore then why hasn't Argentina kicked us out of the FI. Perhaps, because it is unable to mount any legal or military challenge.
oh don't underestimate them beef, did you not hear that they are now whining at ICANN that the Falkland islanders having their own Internet domain is somehow an attack on argentina?
when they have nothing in the terms of legal, moral, historic and military highground or advantage, they will simply crawl to quite literally anyone to listen to their self righteous tears of bitterness
replies from two types of Argies,
The loonies and the decent men,
they who know, that to be friends is best, they want no part of the indoctrinated bloggers bullshit club,, good lads,
then you have the cowards the diehards, the indoctrinated bloggers who want the evil British and English out, they crave for war, humiliation embarrassment, , well considering English don’t exist, they fall at the first post, as for the rest of their stupid dream,
All they will get, is bloodshed, argentine bloodshed, many innocent will perish, and Argentina will be no more, for the embarrassment and humiliation will be Argentina dying undoing, her last grasp at the thistle,
Lets face it, her obsession with the Falklands will destroy the very democracy, the decent people tried so hard to achieve,
So push my friends , push push then push some more, think of the great things you will get,
You will get, what you least except, and the whole bloody world will hate the name Argentina, for bringing bloodshed to thousands, all over her fxking obsession with the Falklands,
wankers, ,,no, ,Argentina will give it a new meaning, with more nails up her back side than she can handle,
Just a thought .
17 O gara (#)------ Rubbish, you cant get under the skin of the British we are to thick skinned, you have to have a brain to even try to get under our skins and you Argy bloggers and your political master are not renowned for having a brain if you had you would all stop calling the Falklands the Malvinas as there is no such place of that name, we keep on telling you this but the tiny brain cells that you have wont take it in, proving that Argentines are a subspecies of human beings that should be seen in Zoo's
Jorge Argüello, mi amigo
I don't know you in person,but you must work on more hardworking
as some examples on , by investigating and publishing them like;
-- Former President and CEO of the International Oil Spill Control Corporation Dr.THOMAS MANTON who began exposing the truth the
BP/Mexico Gulf Oil Spill was imprisoned the murdered while in jail..?
-- Missippi Department of Marine Researches ANTONY TREMONTE
who after exposing the full extent of the BP/Mexico Gulf Oil Spill arrested
and child porn charged...?
-- MATTHEW SIMMONS the only inside oil executive to speak the truth of
the BP/Mexico Gulf Oil Spill was found dead in this hot tub...?
ZETHE.
I told it to you one million times, but i will keep on repeating it, i know perfectly what the u. n. expresses, but this is evident that you dont want to see that the main problem of this question is the sovereignty of the islands, and that's something that must be discussed some day, no matter if the islanders wish it, none resolution asks or suggests the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, they neather affirm that the negotiations for the sovereignty should be resumed only if the islanders wish it, however, if you, your compatriots, and the islanders dont want to realise that the main problem is the sovereignty of the islands, that's your choice, your are not nor idiots nor ignorants, you know very well what's the main problem of this question, but you are just using pathetic argumets to reject the negotiations, because your only one purpose, is to keep argentina out from the islands, the only one solution for this conflict, is to take the dispute to the court, but if none of the two nations propose it, that's because they are not sure that they are going to win, so, they sould resume the negotiations, like serious nations, and discuss with all the parts a fair solution, and will continue repeating one million times also that if you insist on rejecting the negotaitions, we are going to have more and more problems.
axel arg. Do you understand the expression You're a prat? So shut the f*** up! The main problem is ignorant, brain-washed twats like you. I do wish I could be in a position to put a bullet through your brain-space.
1. none resolution asks or suggests the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina
2. they neather affirm that the negotiations for the sovereignty should be resumed
but you are just using pathetic argumets to reject the negotiations
What excuse? We don't need an excuse to not negotiate something we aren't bound to negotiate.
because your only one purpose, is to keep argentina out from the islands
Yes. Your are completely and utterly 100% correct. We don't deny this.
no matter if the islanders wish it,
You're wrong Axel. You're wrong.
As for pathetic argumets: Self determination is a human right(nomatter if you accept this or not - it's a fact.) and is therefore not a pathetic argument, Axel.
is to take the dispute to the court, but if none of the two nations propose it, that's because they are not sure that they are going to win
You can keep peddling this rubbish as much as you like Axel, even you don't believe this. Why would we keep taking Argentina to the ICJ over this issue when the last THREE times we tried to Argentina never showed up? I know it was over the other islands but if your government is SO SURE about there case, why didn't they show?
Also. We hold all the cards. We have the islands....Why would we need to take you to coutry to win something we already have?
As the accuser the onus is on Argentina to take us to court and prove us to be in the wrong. As an academic(But im seriously doubting you are, anymore.) you know this.
Axel, the answer is NO.
Understand at last? NO, Same in Spanish as in English, NO.
No negotiations because your country has NO RIGHTS in the Falklands.
UK defies, aggravates and insults South America when it denies Argentina Malvinas sovereignty......................., would be a more appropiate title for the above article.
bRITISHBULLDOG really old boy brush up on your English a little and maybe just occasionally you might make a tiny bit of sense.Really the education system in England must be horrible
Makes me laugh, all these Argies who think the UK is finished. Funny how the Chinese have decided the foreign market that will trade Yuan based bonds will be London. Funny, why did they choose London if the UK is finished? It is certainly not the cheapest or most tax efficient marketplace. I suppose being the best means people are willing to pay more.
Axel,
You and I have corresponded before! But please explain:
How can we Islanders sit down across the table and discuss our future with Argentina when Argentina:
1- Has made it clear that any talks can only have ONE final result- The Transfer of Sovereignty to Argentina.
2- Repeatedly Threatens and attempts to Bully us and our friends and neighbours at EVERY possible opportunity. Most of these threats are a laughable farce we know - but they are unpleasant words all the same.
Answer me this question - Would you want to sit down and talk with a stranger who said he wanted to take over your house and home - regardless of what you think is right - and at the same time is throwing stones at you and your windows anyway?
Yes - or - No?
50 O gara----- We know we must be getting under the skins of the Argy bloggers when all they can do is insult over grammar. What is it like being part of subspecies that belong in zoo’s O gara? one day in the far and distant future we might let Argentine come into the real world but only once you have evolved into proper human beings until then keep your sub human noses out of proper world affairs especially where the Falklands is concerned they have nothing at all to do with you zoo residents.
Cannot wait for your next instalment on Scotland becoming free from the rest of the UK with Uncle Alex Salmond as its head of State. One more deluded individual even the ones who would like independence think he is an idiot that is why they call him ‘Talks with Flowers why not invite him down to your neck of the wood he would feel quite at home talking nonsense with you lot.
Gentlemen I have been doing some historical research and I have found that Argentina does in fact belong to Britain. This solves their claim to the Falkland Islands. I propose that Argentina be renamed the Dominion of the Falkland Islands.
Argüello will be certified and sent to a new asylum established in the South Orkney Islands.
So it’s finished then
O gara has used the final nail in thinks coffin,
The Argies bloggers have finally run out of steam, no more reason
No more argument
No more truth
They are so desperate they now use gogglety gook to speak,
Their leader will have to get more argie moles on board,
Don’t cry for us Argentina
The world, is laughing at you.
Laugh laugh ?
.
So it’s finished then
O gara has used the final nail in thinks coffin,
The Argies bloggers have finally run out of steam, no more reason
No more argument
No more truth
They are so desperate they now use gogglety gook to speak,
Their leader will have to get more argie moles on board,
Don’t cry for us Argentina
The world, is laughing at you.
Laugh laugh ?
I laugh at your imbecility britton,even as a poet,you make me laugh....
Stupid brits!
So it’s finished then
O gara has used the final nail in thinks coffin,
The Argies bloggers have finally run out of steam, no more reason
No more argument
No more truth
58 Malvinero1
They are so desperate they now use gogglety gook to speak,
Their leader will have to get more argie moles on board,
Don’t cry for us Argentina
The world, is laughing at you.
Laugh laugh ?
YOU ARE A BRITISH SUB HUMAN PIRATEW I HATE YOU ALL, WE HATE YOU ALL
aLL I DREAM OF IS MALVINAS. IT IS BRITISH PIRATES LIKE YOU Malvinero1 WHO WILL BE LIQUIDATED SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All the students that this ridiculous man speaks to will immediately head to their computers and do a little research. Or more likely immediately had to the students bar and do a little research.
In either case research destroys Argentina's arguments.
Argentina may be able to brainwash its own children, it's unlikely to be able to brainwash the world.
Argentina's been telling lies since its birth. A joke of a nation.
Actually Red, the only joke is the funny blog you wrote with islander´s money....they already realize that is all BS and you made up yourself without a single fact ?
....poor people, blind guided for another blind. Anyway.....you choose, UN is there with their staments, they´re clear enough...not necessity of LORD Dumb ton 1955.....very basic my friend, only Conqueror, Filippo and Isolde read that.
ZETHE. ISLANDER1.
ZETHE: In the same way that the u. k. suggested argentina in 1947 that it would accept to take the question of the sandwich and the south georgia to the court, it should do the same now but with the dispute for the islands, in 1885 argentina had propose the u. k. to take the question to the arbitration, you can read it in my survey, but it rejected that posibility. I will always insist that if none of the two nations proposes to give that step, it's because both are not sure that they are going to win, i respect your opinion if you dont think like me, but i dont aggree on your analysis, i really think that if in 1947 the u. k. suggested argentina to take the question for the dependencies to the court, it was because surelly it was sure that it had a solid case to present, and it thought that it could win, however it never proposed the same for the malvinas-falkland question.
In the same way that the islanders defend the right to self determination, we defend our territorial integrity, and only a judgement from the i. c. j can affirm if that right is really applicable for them or not, and what country more relevant rights on the islands.
ISLANDER: Our constitution can say whatever about our claim, all the resolutions only call the two parts to negotiate, in fact if you heard the statement by c. f. k before the u. n, she affirmed that we are not asking the u. k. to resume the negotiations under the recognizement of the sovereignty, we are asking to comply with some of the 10 resolutions from the u. n, which call both nations to resume the negotiations, she is telling you that we woulden't accept only that the islands are only our sovereignty, she is telling you that we want a fair and negotiated solution, on the other hand, chancellour timerman said before the u. n also that argentina has always been disposed to renew the safeguards and the guarantees that had been negotiated with the u. k. before 1982, so, what you say is false.
Yes, porky(fatso) Arguello, we defy you all. Annoying little elves aren't we?
geo,
Argentina would like to become an empire at the expense of Britain, Chile & the Falklands(& maybe others!). Must be frustrating for them as we are a huge stumbling block on their path to greatness(they think!).
1885 – In a response to the British protest, on January 2nd, Foreign Minister Ortiz suggests in a letter that; ” … the postponed discussion be reopened again… and resolved by the friendly means and law that today civilised nations adopt to solve questions of this type .. “.
Bit vague Axel - no specific request to negotiate the terms of an agreement to go to arbitration.
At least when Britain tried we pushed it all the way.
As for now - why should we? We have everything - and as Maggies said, ”In 1955, the British Government applied unilaterally to the International Court of Justice against encroachments on British sovereignty in the dependencies by Argentina. Again, the court advised that it could not pursue the matter since it could act only if there was agreement between the parties recognising the court’s jurisdiction.
In 1977, Argentina, having accepted the jurisdiction of an international court of arbitration on the Beagle Channel dispute with Chile, then refused to accept its results. It is difficult to believe in Argentina’s good faith with that very recent example in mind.
There is no reason, given the history of this question, for Britain, which has sovereignty and is claiming nothing more, to make the first move. It is Argentina that is making a claim. If Argentina wanted to refer it to the International Court, we would consider the possibility very seriously. But in the light of past events it would be hard to have confidence that Argentina would respect a judgment that it did not like.”
There is an old saying, by Sun Tzu Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. And looks like that's what the Argi's are doing, Uruguay/Paraguay /Chile they all want a little bit of you, so it would be wise to look a lot closer to home, as there day will come.
And what was the silly replies to my blogg,
Pathetic copycat and rhetoric slander, all the hallmarks of a nation that is finished,
All you stupid argie bloggers can do now, ,,is the same as your glorious leader has done,
Talk talk,
Laugh laugh
Insult away my indoctrinated friends, with joypops like flipper you don’t need enemies you’re all born with him, lol.
[ah to be british ]
On the basis of the British invasion of Río de la Plata I have been able to establish that Argentina is in fact owned by Great Britain.
I have been tabling a series of motions at the UN in order to officially establish this claim to Argentina. There is historical president for this, on the basis of an almost 200 year invasion of the Falkland Islands by a German and some British ex patriots, Argentina claims the Falkland Islands.
I can establish as historical fact that Río de la Plata was invaded by Britain and that this claim was never renounced, there is over 200 years of continued British claim to Argentina.
This makes all Argentines suject to British law and taxation. I am planning to get Buenos Aires renamed Port of Britain. Argentina will be called Bairdland, after the leader of British forces in the first occupation of Río de la Plata.
It is important to state that this did not happen just once - as in the Argentine claim to the Falklands - but twice !
@ 74 briton, the problem with you is that you're like a woman always complaining about the d*ck size of her man, it's too fat, it's too thin, it's too long, it's too short, it's too hard, it's too soft, you're never satisfied.
@ 75 I would like to try those magic mushrooms too.
Axel, Sorry But we have 30 years exeperience of BROKEN PROMISES from successive Argentine Govts!
Your Presidents always try to say the right things in the UN General Assembly - would not look very good there if they actually said what they really want! Words in the GA are meaningless and of no value - we both know that.
Your Constitution though is a formal written document and is quite clear on our fate!
It is backed up by countless statements by your ForeignMinisters and others over the years, and Presidents.
Words like- we(the Islanders) have no rights - we are irrelevant - etc etc .
All is reinforced by attitudes like:
Threatening Int Shipping Lines with Blackmail unless they drop business with the Islands.
Breaching of IATA regulations by banning civilian overflights of Arg territory by another nation,s commercial aircraft.
Breaching UN Maritime convention rules of the right of free passage of vessels through your end of the Straits of Magellan by demanding that vessels declare cargo and destination etc with the threat of stopping and arrest. Vessel Captains with balls though call the bluff on this and simply refuse to co-operate other than the usual courtesy signals on the assumption that not even CFK is stupid enough to start a major war by firing at an unarmed civilian ship!
Int Telephone Exchanges that operate through Arg refuse to acknowledge or handle phone traffic to the Islands- code -500+number.
Repeatedly hassle and abuse innocent tourists who board a vessel in the Islands and then disembark in Ushuaia.
Repeatedly try and get the Islands representatives banned from such bodies as International Fisheries Conservation meetings,Veterinary symposiums, Amateur Sports associations in S America.
Walked out of and refuse any form of co-operation on information related to direct Fisheries Conservation and stock management in the SW Atlantic.
76 xbarilox
The truth is, im not a woman, as you well know, your remark is very offensive to women,
But having said that
XBARILOX, you are a slimy perverted internet mole,
Your insults are well ant truly likened to the gutter rat you are,
for only a slimy perverted gutter snipe desperate for attention spends his time insulting others, a true trade mark of a lonely uneducated perverted indoctrinated bloggers,
So do us a favour either wash your dirty filthy mouth , or continue to be referred to as a perverted internet blogge,
...........................
Insults used by the uneducated to undermined the embarrassment of having been born a loser.
laugh laugh
2010 - In September, delegates from the Falkland Islands attend the World Summit on Fishing Sustainability, in Spain. Argentina protests by walking out of the first meeting, and removing the Falkland's delegates flags and nameplates.”
REHOYT. ISLANDER1. ZETHE.
ZETHE: If you have the islands, ¿then why did the u. k. suggest argentina in 1947 that it would accept to take the question for the dependencies to the court?, i insist that if it did it, it was because it thought that it had a good case to present, and thought also that surelly it could win, however none of the two nations proposes the same for the malvinas-falkland question, i had nothing more to add.
REHOYT: I respect your opinion but, i think it's irrelevant to use what happened in 1977 to express that maybe you have doubts about the acceptation of argentina of the judgements from the court, in 1977 we had a dictatorship, but since 1983 we are a democratic nation, in fact we took the question of the problem that had with uruguay to the court, and both countries accepted perfectly the judgement, we still have some difficulties but they will be solved.
Respecting the 1885 proposal, anyone can make a diferent interpretation, for me it's perfectly clear that it's suggesting to take dispute to the arbitration.
ISLANDER: I respect the doubts that you have, in fact in same aspects i dont like the way that our government handles the question, it doesen't do anything to try to build a better relation with the islanders, but i value so much the defense that it does in all the forums about our rights.
On the other hand, i really think that the actual scenario is the result of the lack of negotiations, i have always said as long as the u. k. and the islanders insist on rejecting to resume the negotiations for the sovereignty of the islands, which is the man problem, it's expectable that we have more and more problems, both are not acting correctly, beside, we can make planty of speculations about what might happen if the countries decide to resume the negotiations, but as long as it doesen't happen, words are taken by the win, the most important are the facts.
Dictatorship/Democracy (flawed) - you are judged by your actions, and they haven't much changed since the 1930's.
Argentina did accept the judgment of the ICJ over the pulp mill, albeit with bad grace. The protestors didn't accet it, and whinge still.
What's clear, is that there was no serious request in 1885. It was not followed up at a serious level. No official notes, no complaints in international fora - nothing.
ZETHE: If you have the islands, ¿then why did the u. k. suggest argentina in 1947 that it would accept to take the question for the dependencies to the court?
There is no population on the other islands. The falklands have a living, breathing population.
Axel - from what you say I take it that you are agreeing that there can be No Negotiations and sitting at the Table together whilst Argetnina continues with its current nagressive and abusive policy?
Change that policy, allow 20-25 years to pass to get back to the level and type of relations that existed between us under the Menem Govt and it could then be very very difficult for us to refuse to sit down and talk with you.
Currently, and for as long as the Kirschener policy continues it is so easy to say no - The current Arg Govt makes it a sure thing!
Today nobody internationally is pressing the Islands nor UK to sit down and talk. Oh yes - plenty of meaningless and toothless statements etc are issued and signed around various Int meetings - but all these are meaninless verbage of no legal binding value- we know it and Arg knows it!
Dear Argenwhines,
Is it not sufficient that you have the eight largest nation in the world? The Falkland were never yours. You are not the former Spanish empire. Before embarking on Imperialist dreams, get your mainland house in order. Things like your economy, corruption and so much more. Like Hebe Bonafides foreign bank accounts. Cristina's connection to the looting of funds. Read that book called, The History of Argentina! There you will learn that your poor suffering country has been totally buggered by it's disgustingly corrupt leaders and labor unions. I recently visited the Falklands for 2 weeks and interviewed many residents. Not a single one wants to be part of your disastrous rats nest, not a one. As for some of you red hot Argys: First thing tomorrow, go to your local Farmacia and ask for PROZAC or Fluoexitina, 20mg and take 2 a day for the rest of the CFK catastrophy. But remember, as always you will get what is coming to you, getting screwed by your government, after all you voted her in by 54%. Not saying much for you or the opposition that could not get their act together! But knowing your country, they were probably paid off with big Land grants in Patagonia or Rio Negro. Argentina is crying for you!
@88
Succinctly put. In some past blog I was going to mention to one particular fargin' argie that his knowledge of pharmaceuticals was most probably linked to their national neuroses, etc, ad nauseam, but what's the point?
Q. What's the difference 'twixt a Nargie and a computer?
A. You only have to punch the info into a computer once...
''not allowing Argentina to patrol its own waters and denies South America the right to exercise sovereignty over a space which naturally belongs to her'' ?????
Yep, still a liar. Does anyone actually believe any of this crap? What a huge waste of public money.
Is he elected, or is this what you call a 'diplomat' in Argentina?
90 Monty69--- once a liar always a liar, they are born sucking at the tit of their mothers with her whispering lie my son lie its what we do best and we are so good at it.
No I didn't - because the real English speaking world doesn't use the same generic names as the US for medicines and, they, generally, somewhat like you , are so bloody pig ignorant about everything that they assume the rest of the world conforms to their narrow perspective.
May be I'm wrong and you are just a Michael Jackson fan.
And I never said I was a Doctor of Medicine...
REDHOYT. ZETHE. ISLANDER. CRUZANSAILOR.
REDHOYT: Respecting the 1885 proposal, i wont discuss once and again with you, i respect your opinion but you already know what i think about it. Beside, your comparisons are really ignorant, if the protestors didnt accept so much the judgement from the i. c. j, they will have to do it, on the other hand, it doesen't have anything to do with the gov, anyother administration would have repressed them, like it happens in all the rest of the world, however we went to the court, and accepted the judgement.
ZETHE: If the dependencies were not populated, is not such a relevant issue, you had and still have the islands, however your country suggested that it would accept to discuss about the question to the court.
ISLANDERS: I respect your opinion, and your right when you talk about the policies during menem's government, per haps that's one of the few things he did right, anyway, not even in that time your side accepted to resume the negotiations for the sovereignty. You already know that i think that both sides are not acting correctly, as long as your side continues rejecting to discuss a fair solution for the main problem (the sovereignty), this is evident that we are going to have more a more problems. You have no excuses to reject to resume the negotiations, no body wants to subdue your people in this country, nor the gov., nor no body.
CRUZANSAILOR: Don be so hypocrite, all the countries have positive and negative aspects, not only argentina, if you only talk about the corruption cases of my country, that shows how partial and ignorant knowledge you have respecting argentina. Beside, beyond our negative aspects, if the u. n call arg and the u. k. to resume the negotiations for the dispute for the malvinas-falkland islands, it must be respected, no matter if we are the best or the worse country of the world.
Axel: I have a great Idea for you. All of you white people in Argentina go back to where you came from and return the country to its original inhabitants, you know that ones that you went and deliberately killed during several wars, because they were so pesky. Maybe that is why Argentina has such rotten Karma?
95 axel arg
It all boils down to this
Are you a dictatorship or a democracy?
Do you believe in the right to decide who governs you,
Or a government that dictates to you,
Simple is it not,
[We believe in democracy, and the right to decide who governs you]
What do you believe in, ??
You can keep peddling this rubbish as much as you like Axel, even you don't believe this. Why would we keep taking Argentina to the ICJ over this issue when the last THREE times we tried to Argentina never
zethe: YOU are LIAR!
uk HAS NEVER taken the matters to the ICJ,for Malvinas.
On the contrary,Argentina invited uk to settle the dispute in an arbitration court,over 5 times,starting in 1884....
zethe: YOU ARE A LIAR!! buzz off!!
1955 – On May 4th, Britain unilaterally places the dispute over South Georgia, the South Shetland Islands, the South Sandwich Islands and Graham Land before the International Court of Justice at the Hague. ” … Differences have existed between the Governments of the United Kingdom and of the Republic of Argentina for a number of years, concerning pretensions advanced by the Republic in 1925, and at various dates thereafter, to the sovereignty of certain Antarctic and sub-Antarctic territories which belong to the United Kingdom under prior, long-standing, and well-established legal titles, dating from, at latest, the period 1775-1843. The territories in dispute between the two countries form part of the Falkland Islands Dependencies, consisting of already existing British possessions, which were proclaimed as such and formally placed under the administration of the Government of the Colony of the Falkland Islands by Royal Letters Patent of July …”
On August 1st, the Argentine Foreign Minister writes, ” .. The Argentine Government has several times had occasion to indicate in notes addressed to Her Britannic Majesty’s Embassy in Buenos Aries that it cannot consent to the question of sovereignty over the Antarctic Territories of Argentina which it is sought to raise being referred for decision to any International Court of Justice or Arbitration Tribunal. By this present note, my Government reaffirms its refusal in the most express way with regard to the jurisdiction of this Court and with regard to any possibility that it should be seised as such to deal with this case.”
Argentina elsewhere refers to a ‘.. fundamental principle in accordance with which territorial sovereignty cannot be submitted for discussion or put in issue ..’ and states that the matter is too ” .. self-evident to require judicial determination..”.
”Argentina would like to become an empire at the expense of Britain, Chile & the Falklands(& maybe others!). Must be frustrating for them as we are a huge stumbling block on their path to greatness(they think!). ”
(Isolde #70)
I really don't think there are 'Thoughts of Empire', Isolde.
Even the 'disturbed' presidents Mugabe and Amin never extended their imagination beyond their borders.
There are some powerful similarities between CFK, Mugabe and Amin, and - similarly - I think that her TFI-talk is rhetoric for internal manipulation rather than serious 'Thoughts of Empire'.
'Command of the South Atlantic' - to win exploitation area - is something else, however'.
Argentina might assume a Somali Strategy to marine traffic around the region using (government) surrogates to discourage, board and impound pending payment of penalties for 'illegal transit'.
World marine traffic of a certain size cannot ply the Panama and is therefore 'at risk'.
We see it happening in the South China Sea, so it is not impossible in 'Argentina's Ocean'.
Once again Axel confuses negotiating an end to the dispute over sovereignty with a transfer of sovereignty. There is a massive difference between these two things.
For the former the UK always has been and is prepared to negotiate, for the latter the rights of the Falkland Islanders take precedence, the UK's hands are tied buy the UN Charter and a raft of UN Resolutions.
It's high time Argentina got to grips with the difference between these two things and high time Argentina acquainted itself with the universal human rights it pretends to uphold.
Argentina might assume a Somali Strategy to marine traffic around the region using (government) surrogates to discourage, board and impound pending payment of penalties for 'illegal transit'.
World marine traffic of a certain size cannot ply the Panama and is therefore 'at risk'.
The Argies will have to do what they do best, play with themselves
Panama Canal Celebrates Anniversary with New Locks
In 2014 for its 100-year anniversary, the Panama Canal Authority is modernizing and expanding the canal between the Atlantic and Pacific. The construction includes installation of new locks to the two oceans, each with three lock chambers, and will allow much bigger ships than before to pass through the Panama Canal.
Argentine's around the world demand UN and NATO to take action against the occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina or to allow for a nuclear defence program to be build in Argentina to protect the main land from any farther occupation and theft of land in Argentina. that simple pirats your days are numbered and I wouldn't eat that apple if I where you.
REDHOYT. J. A. ROBERT. BRITON.
Redhoyt: In the same way that arg rejected to discuss the question of the dependencies to the court, you rejected our proposal of arbitration of 1885, i know you dont consider that proposal, but like it or not, it existed, on the other hand, your country didn't propose the same for the malvinas-falkland dispute, it reaffirms once and again what i think about it, if none of the two nations proposes to take the question to the court, it's because both are not sure that they can win.
J. A. ROBERT: In the same way that the islanders claim for the right to self determination, we claim for our territrial integrity, none resolution affirms that the negotiation for the sovereignty must be resumed only if the islanders wish it, and none of them neather affirm that the u. k. should transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, both should resume the negotiations for the sovereignty which is the main problem. In the same way that the u. k. suggested argentina in 1947 to take the question of the dependencies to the court, it should do the same now but with the dispute for the islands, however if none of the two nations proposes it, it's because both think that they can loose.
BRITON: Of course i believe in democracy, that's why i think the question should be taken to the court, because this is evident that your ountry is not disposed to discuss about the sovereignty which is the main issue.
Islanders are in Argentina.
How can´t you be connected to it when you´re occupying its territory?
If the British didn´t want to be connected to Argentina they should have stayed home.
We didn´t bring you here... so don´t blame us and get over it.
No, we aren't in Argentina.
No, we are not occupying your territory.
We are 'at home'.
We don't have anything to 'get over'. You appear to be the ones with the problem.
So dry your eyes, princess.
If Argentina was not such a weak country, they could drive Briton out of the Falklands. But allas all they can do is continually try to talk them out. Frankly, the world is getting tried of their weak demands
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIf I know Italians, they were more interested in what was for lunch.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The boys a typical Argie fool, believes his own cr*p.
And trying to get ALL of South America involved? Even that bunch of tin-pot dictatorships and banana Republics know better than to trust Argentina.
“ … He went there; stayed there not 3 months – just long enough to embroil his country in a senseless and wicked quarrel with the Government; and, without waiting for orders from his Government, demanded his passports and came home. Nothing but the imbecility of that South American abortion of a state saved him from indelible disgrace and this country from humiliation in that concern ..”
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1823-1832/
Even the Yanks knew what you were! No sign of improvement !
He will find that most of the graduates at the Chinese International Studies Foundation are products of British universities :-)
Oct 28th, 2011 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Should be worth a laugh.
It is all a smog to hide Argentina's economic woes. But it is unsustainable. We bloggers help to keep it going for longer. I wonder why that is. Perhaps its a desire for at least temporary authorship. Like the promulgations of the good Ambassador, on behalf of a temporary government. Sad: Argentina if sincerely could be liked and involved. No denying it is potentially a great country.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Much quicker that way to link with the Islanders.
anyone else feel like helping me sponsor a professional violinist to follow this sad little clown around so that his self pitying hysterics can at the very least be accompanied by a fitting soundtrack?
Oct 28th, 2011 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0also wasn't he supposed to be coughing up evidence that the islanders secretly receive all their money from the British government? because it seems that he abandoned that joke fairly quickly, and is now desperately playing for time as he stops off in Italy until he can think of an argument doesn't so instantly fall apart under the slightest scrutiny
and when the man your nation elects to be your official representative towards the entire world has less class, charm and basic intelligence than the bloated corpse of Qaddafi, and whom seems intent on showing just how deeply delusional, pathetic, obnoxious and above all impotent Argentina really is, you really have to wonder whether mass slaughtering the natives, stealing their land and replacing them with European settlers was really worth such a joke of a country being brought into existence.
ah well, another nail in the coffin i guess.
Ha what a fool, The other South American countries probably love the fact that their aggressive neighbour is pinned down by the UK. Lets face it if Argentina ever got its hands on all that oil it would more than likely build up its military & start invading them.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0The boys a typical Argie fool,and not done his homework
Oct 28th, 2011 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the Swiss should stamp and scream like the Argies
Campione d'Italia and LivignoThe Italian enclave village of Campione d'Italia is totally surrounded by Switzerland's Ticino (Tessin) canton as well as Lake Lugano (Lake Ceresio) and is in the Province of Como, whilst Livigno, a small and remote mountain resort town, is in the Italian province of Sondrio. Although part of the EU, they are excluded from the customs union and VAT area, with Livigno's tax status dating back to Napoleonic times.[2] Moreover, legal tender in Campione d'Italia is the Swiss Franc, even with the euro widely accepted.[
During World War II, the US Office of Strategic Services (OSS, the predecessor of the CIA) maintained a unit in Campione and used it for operations into Italy.[citation needed] At the time the pro-Nazi Italian regime did not have control over the exclave. The Swiss turned a blind eye to the situation as long as the Americans kept a low profile. Separate stamps were issued during this period
load of BS... you have no authority to talk for whole of South America, sophomoric fool.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares about the decadent,economically bankrupt,pirat uk....
Oct 28th, 2011 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8
Oct 28th, 2011 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0given the fact we are one of the most economically, geopolitically, and militarily powerful nations as well as one of the most influential cultural powers on earth, i would say infinitely more people care about the UK than who care about a diseased third world hellhole built on the land of slaughtered innocents.
thats why our UN representative is right now doing his Job at the UN, and was formerly the President of the Security Council, whereas your one is on a self pitying tour of whoring the dignity of his nation in a futile quest for anything resembling genuine support.
still i guess bitter jealousy is understandable given your situation.
i assure you, you have my sympathy.
I suppose we are only beginning to see the levels to which this sock cucker will stoop...
Oct 28th, 2011 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0fock cucker surely...
Oct 28th, 2011 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see ambassador Arguello's problem. Britain isn't denying Argentina the right to patrol its own waters or denying South America the right to exercise sovereignty over its territory.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's just that the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Shetland Islands have waters of their own. And they are not Argentine. Get used to it!
I wonder how Argentina would feel if Colombia suddenly turned round and said that it thought it should exercise sovereignty over South Georgia? That possibility is implicit in Arguello's words.
But, of course, it's merely indicative that Argentines don't have a brain cell between their bum cheeks, never mind about where human beings keep theirs.
And in case anyone thinks that my last comment implies that Argentines aren't human, I need to set the record straight. I'm not implying it, I'm saying it.
Peronists from the Tony Soprano or countries, Argentina, want the Falklands so they can have more territory to pillage. Botox Evita will strip the earth like a locust
Oct 28th, 2011 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0dear brothers sleep quietness pirates stolen their islands will soon return to their rightful owners by the Latin America Unit to take vengeance on all the oppression and once unleashed barbaerie. missiles or their parents or USA to save them. to sleep in the cold south while caregivers from the cold north send send boat people will not help the Latin America stands as a limitless arm !.... bye
Oct 28th, 2011 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please, the last thing we need in this time is war.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, famine defies Argentina and its previous and current government is doing nothing to prevent the quickly development of humger in the take two to tango's country.
Argentina must focus on education and innovation to become a leader in the region and in the world, because as it is, this south american country has not created a single item yet that the world has been benefited from.
There is ample room to development in medicine, space, marine world, sustain economic development and health, so Argentina go and search for it.
Surprised that Think hasn't called this another 'nail' :-)
Oct 28th, 2011 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arguello is doing a terrific job.The vitriolic being poured on his head by the English cheerleaders on here merely emphasizes how he is getting under their skin.This campaign by Argentina must be ongoing in every international forum especially in the Americas.Latin americans must take ownership of the Malvinas issue as never before and the eventually the London elite will see the light
Oct 28th, 2011 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Redhoyt, I will do it on the behalf of Think.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another Nail in the Coffin for the British in the South Atlantic...now where did Argentina put the hammer....?
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Oct 28th, 2011 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You right, anyway let me add that Arguello´s excelent job is only one of many tools in Take two for Tango tour context and Argentina´s diplomacy for the future....when Arguello finish his time, there´ll be another one and later another one and son on until infinitum every time stronger......until recover in peace Malvinas Islands to Argentina, their legal owners.
just looking how our dear invaders reacts seem that is a touche nerve somewhere.
Logically this Argentina´s policy is the right way....in peace and without lost the main goal, step by step with smart moves.
And yes...you mess with Argentina, you´ll mess not only with Unasur (btw, anyone see the Unsasur Defense Council statments ?) rather with complete LatAm and with some BIG players...guess who are :)
Is it a prerequisite to be mentally deficient to get into government in the Argentine?
Oct 28th, 2011 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge Argüello is a heor of Argentina for standing up against British pirates.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He hates the British, we all hate British pigs. They are sub human.
We will own las Malvinas and people there will have no rights. THeir history we alreay re wirtie for them, our hero James Peck is show them a way out they can be reborn Argentine. The rebirthing process will make them pure again and wash away all of their sins as pairates.
I will say this only once be rebirthed now and you can ve saved.
CFK is building a house of card's but not with a full deck, all she as to use are the joker's.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argüello is related to me. He only speak the truth.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All you piarates will soon be sent home, i do not care where you go but it will not be on our land. We own your land. Your land belongs to Argentina and it will be our farmers and fishermen who will inherit your land and sea.
We want the oil and you will not have this oil. We do not like any of you.
You can be rebirthed now as Argentine like the great James Peck, nad this will wash away all of your sins as pirates. or you can go, leave our islands, you been there too long!
Dear kelpers....
Oct 28th, 2011 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Filippo, Isolde, Conqueror, Anti-Fascist, RedHoyt, Justinkuntz....& Cia
All that wise people is the best you got ? really...you´re making so easy to Argentina´s goals.
Filo
Oct 28th, 2011 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so you admit that it's our land thank you for that.
@16 lol!
Oct 28th, 2011 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This Jorge Arguello comes across as a sad advocate for a lost cause.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do not hate him, pity him.
He is doing what he is asked to do but one feels that he has come to actually believe his own rhetoric.
Be sorry for the man's weakness; Argentina needs brighter individuals than him if they are to fight their way through their coming crisis.
Argentina needs brighter individuals.... We have them but unfortunately, they are not part of the current government.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#27
Oct 28th, 2011 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Geof, don´t be sorry, just be ready for the transition, thats all you need to know man.
:)
From flipper's thing #21
Oct 28th, 2011 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will say this only once
Chance'd be a fine thing...
Allthough most people in this forum denies it, or make fun at it, arguello is telling the truth, everybody knows that we can't patroll and explote the natural recources from the islands, if we dont get a licence firstly from the islander government, like all the foreign nations must to do, it doesen't consider that argentina has right on the islands, which is very arguable, but at the same time, it rejects to resume the negotiations for the sovereignty which is the main problem of this question. In the same way that the islanders defend their right to self determination, we defend also our territorial integrity, and that's why it's necesary that the three parts can find a fair solution for the sovereignty issue, which must be discussed, no matter if the islanders wish it or not, none resolution from the u. n affirms that the negotiations for the sovereignty must be resumed only if the population from the islands wish it, the rejection of the islanders and the u. k. are just a hipocrite and pathetic excuse, which purpose, is to keep argentina out from the islands.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, when c. f. k said before the u. n. that argentina is not asking the u. k. to comply with the resolutions under the recognizement of the sovereignty, that destroys the ignorant argument that you invoke all the time, that holds that the only one outcome for argentina, is that the islands are only under our sovereignty, she is saying that we are disposed to find a fair solution for the sovereignty issue.
speak for yourself ambassador Argüello, many of us don´t feel threat of UK in fact we have a healthy relationship with them
Oct 28th, 2011 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Such hysteria!
Oct 28th, 2011 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the facts are the facts little Englanders - and I can understand your impotent rage - for the world has changed and even France treats you with contempt. President Sarkozy even told your Prime Minister that Britain is irrelevant to the European Union.
Your time is over so get used to it. Stop whining and howling like little schoolboys and sit at the back of the class - where you can dream about your glorious past when you could annhilate entire cultures and chop up other people's lands with impunity.
fanta
Oct 28th, 2011 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just as then Argentine people are irrelevant to CFK and her government, and as you have given her free rain over you, the people of the Falkland Island's, can stand back and watch as she brings you all to your kness,
I believe that a number of years ago Jorge Argüello's family ranch was once in the possession of a distant relative of mine. If I am given enough time to distort the truth and shout about it enough then maybe, just maybe I can convince everyone that that is the case and it will be returned to my family.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sound familiar?
The Argentine's act like a bunch of spoilt children who believe that if they continue to nag, winge and whine that they will get what they want because everyone else will get bored and give in to them.
or uck acke grow up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
none resolution from the u. n affirms that the negotiations for the sovereignty must be resumed only if the population from the islands wish it,
Oct 28th, 2011 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None of the resolutions from the UN affirms that we must negotiate sovereignty. You know this Axel.
Why act like you don't?
Fantasy - Sarkozy didn't say we were irrelevant to the EU. He said we were not in a position to comment on the Euro zone. As we are not a Euro zone country then I can see his point.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If we are not important or powerful anymore then why hasn't Argentina kicked us out of the FI. Perhaps, because it is unable to mount any legal or military challenge.
oh don't underestimate them beef, did you not hear that they are now whining at ICANN that the Falkland islanders having their own Internet domain is somehow an attack on argentina?
Oct 28th, 2011 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when they have nothing in the terms of legal, moral, historic and military highground or advantage, they will simply crawl to quite literally anyone to listen to their self righteous tears of bitterness
replies from two types of Argies,
Oct 28th, 2011 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The loonies and the decent men,
they who know, that to be friends is best, they want no part of the indoctrinated bloggers bullshit club,, good lads,
then you have the cowards the diehards, the indoctrinated bloggers who want the evil British and English out, they crave for war, humiliation embarrassment, , well considering English don’t exist, they fall at the first post, as for the rest of their stupid dream,
All they will get, is bloodshed, argentine bloodshed, many innocent will perish, and Argentina will be no more, for the embarrassment and humiliation will be Argentina dying undoing, her last grasp at the thistle,
Lets face it, her obsession with the Falklands will destroy the very democracy, the decent people tried so hard to achieve,
So push my friends , push push then push some more, think of the great things you will get,
You will get, what you least except, and the whole bloody world will hate the name Argentina, for bringing bloodshed to thousands, all over her fxking obsession with the Falklands,
wankers, ,,no, ,Argentina will give it a new meaning, with more nails up her back side than she can handle,
Just a thought .
17 O gara (#)------ Rubbish, you cant get under the skin of the British we are to thick skinned, you have to have a brain to even try to get under our skins and you Argy bloggers and your political master are not renowned for having a brain if you had you would all stop calling the Falklands the Malvinas as there is no such place of that name, we keep on telling you this but the tiny brain cells that you have wont take it in, proving that Argentines are a subspecies of human beings that should be seen in Zoo's
Oct 28th, 2011 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge Argüello, mi amigo
Oct 28th, 2011 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know you in person,but you must work on more hardworking
as some examples on , by investigating and publishing them like;
-- Former President and CEO of the International Oil Spill Control Corporation Dr.THOMAS MANTON who began exposing the truth the
BP/Mexico Gulf Oil Spill was imprisoned the murdered while in jail..?
-- Missippi Department of Marine Researches ANTONY TREMONTE
who after exposing the full extent of the BP/Mexico Gulf Oil Spill arrested
and child porn charged...?
-- MATTHEW SIMMONS the only inside oil executive to speak the truth of
the BP/Mexico Gulf Oil Spill was found dead in this hot tub...?
many more have ....
ZETHE.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I told it to you one million times, but i will keep on repeating it, i know perfectly what the u. n. expresses, but this is evident that you dont want to see that the main problem of this question is the sovereignty of the islands, and that's something that must be discussed some day, no matter if the islanders wish it, none resolution asks or suggests the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, they neather affirm that the negotiations for the sovereignty should be resumed only if the islanders wish it, however, if you, your compatriots, and the islanders dont want to realise that the main problem is the sovereignty of the islands, that's your choice, your are not nor idiots nor ignorants, you know very well what's the main problem of this question, but you are just using pathetic argumets to reject the negotiations, because your only one purpose, is to keep argentina out from the islands, the only one solution for this conflict, is to take the dispute to the court, but if none of the two nations propose it, that's because they are not sure that they are going to win, so, they sould resume the negotiations, like serious nations, and discuss with all the parts a fair solution, and will continue repeating one million times also that if you insist on rejecting the negotaitions, we are going to have more and more problems.
Jorge ..keep on and don't be afraid on, UK is finished.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0axel arg. Do you understand the expression You're a prat? So shut the f*** up! The main problem is ignorant, brain-washed twats like you. I do wish I could be in a position to put a bullet through your brain-space.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 042 axel arg you have just contradicted your self so much, your point was killed off .
Oct 28th, 2011 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 043 ed the asylum is now closed, bye bye .
#42 Serious nations?
Oct 28th, 2011 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you seen what your politicians have been saying lately?
1. none resolution asks or suggests the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina
Oct 28th, 2011 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 02. they neather affirm that the negotiations for the sovereignty should be resumed
but you are just using pathetic argumets to reject the negotiations
What excuse? We don't need an excuse to not negotiate something we aren't bound to negotiate.
because your only one purpose, is to keep argentina out from the islands
Yes. Your are completely and utterly 100% correct. We don't deny this.
no matter if the islanders wish it,
You're wrong Axel. You're wrong.
As for pathetic argumets: Self determination is a human right(nomatter if you accept this or not - it's a fact.) and is therefore not a pathetic argument, Axel.
is to take the dispute to the court, but if none of the two nations propose it, that's because they are not sure that they are going to win
You can keep peddling this rubbish as much as you like Axel, even you don't believe this. Why would we keep taking Argentina to the ICJ over this issue when the last THREE times we tried to Argentina never showed up? I know it was over the other islands but if your government is SO SURE about there case, why didn't they show?
Also. We hold all the cards. We have the islands....Why would we need to take you to coutry to win something we already have?
As the accuser the onus is on Argentina to take us to court and prove us to be in the wrong. As an academic(But im seriously doubting you are, anymore.) you know this.
Axel, the answer is NO.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Understand at last? NO, Same in Spanish as in English, NO.
No negotiations because your country has NO RIGHTS in the Falklands.
UK defies, aggravates and insults South America when it denies Argentina Malvinas sovereignty......................., would be a more appropiate title for the above article.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bRITISHBULLDOG really old boy brush up on your English a little and maybe just occasionally you might make a tiny bit of sense.Really the education system in England must be horrible
Oct 28th, 2011 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grammar nazi's are especially hypocritical when they have bad grammar themselves, O gara.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Makes me laugh, all these Argies who think the UK is finished. Funny how the Chinese have decided the foreign market that will trade Yuan based bonds will be London. Funny, why did they choose London if the UK is finished? It is certainly not the cheapest or most tax efficient marketplace. I suppose being the best means people are willing to pay more.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Onwards and upwards :-)
Axel,
Oct 28th, 2011 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You and I have corresponded before! But please explain:
How can we Islanders sit down across the table and discuss our future with Argentina when Argentina:
1- Has made it clear that any talks can only have ONE final result- The Transfer of Sovereignty to Argentina.
2- Repeatedly Threatens and attempts to Bully us and our friends and neighbours at EVERY possible opportunity. Most of these threats are a laughable farce we know - but they are unpleasant words all the same.
Answer me this question - Would you want to sit down and talk with a stranger who said he wanted to take over your house and home - regardless of what you think is right - and at the same time is throwing stones at you and your windows anyway?
Yes - or - No?
50 O gara----- We know we must be getting under the skins of the Argy bloggers when all they can do is insult over grammar. What is it like being part of subspecies that belong in zoo’s O gara? one day in the far and distant future we might let Argentine come into the real world but only once you have evolved into proper human beings until then keep your sub human noses out of proper world affairs especially where the Falklands is concerned they have nothing at all to do with you zoo residents.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cannot wait for your next instalment on Scotland becoming free from the rest of the UK with Uncle Alex Salmond as its head of State. One more deluded individual even the ones who would like independence think he is an idiot that is why they call him ‘Talks with Flowers why not invite him down to your neck of the wood he would feel quite at home talking nonsense with you lot.
Gentlemen I have been doing some historical research and I have found that Argentina does in fact belong to Britain. This solves their claim to the Falkland Islands. I propose that Argentina be renamed the Dominion of the Falkland Islands.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argüello will be certified and sent to a new asylum established in the South Orkney Islands.
Union Jack flying in the Falkland Islands...enough said
Oct 28th, 2011 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So it’s finished then
Oct 28th, 2011 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0O gara has used the final nail in thinks coffin,
The Argies bloggers have finally run out of steam, no more reason
No more argument
No more truth
They are so desperate they now use gogglety gook to speak,
Their leader will have to get more argie moles on board,
Don’t cry for us Argentina
The world, is laughing at you.
Laugh laugh ?
.
So it’s finished then
Oct 28th, 2011 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0O gara has used the final nail in thinks coffin,
The Argies bloggers have finally run out of steam, no more reason
No more argument
No more truth
They are so desperate they now use gogglety gook to speak,
Their leader will have to get more argie moles on board,
Don’t cry for us Argentina
The world, is laughing at you.
Laugh laugh ?
I laugh at your imbecility britton,even as a poet,you make me laugh....
Stupid brits!
So it’s finished then
Oct 28th, 2011 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0O gara has used the final nail in thinks coffin,
The Argies bloggers have finally run out of steam, no more reason
No more argument
No more truth
58 Malvinero1
They are so desperate they now use gogglety gook to speak,
Their leader will have to get more argie moles on board,
Don’t cry for us Argentina
The world, is laughing at you.
Laugh laugh ?
YOU ARE A BRITISH SUB HUMAN PIRATEW I HATE YOU ALL, WE HATE YOU ALL
aLL I DREAM OF IS MALVINAS. IT IS BRITISH PIRATES LIKE YOU Malvinero1 WHO WILL BE LIQUIDATED SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yup, the worls laughs at Argentina.
Oct 28th, 2011 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the students that this ridiculous man speaks to will immediately head to their computers and do a little research. Or more likely immediately had to the students bar and do a little research.
In either case research destroys Argentina's arguments.
Argentina may be able to brainwash its own children, it's unlikely to be able to brainwash the world.
Argentina's been telling lies since its birth. A joke of a nation.
# 60
Oct 29th, 2011 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually Red, the only joke is the funny blog you wrote with islander´s money....they already realize that is all BS and you made up yourself without a single fact ?
....poor people, blind guided for another blind. Anyway.....you choose, UN is there with their staments, they´re clear enough...not necessity of LORD Dumb ton 1955.....very basic my friend, only Conqueror, Filippo and Isolde read that.
:)
Yup, the worls laughs at Argentina.lady tonto: You are an imbecile!!
Oct 29th, 2011 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Islander's money?
Oct 29th, 2011 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wish :-)
All from the heart SoFa ... and all true. Proveable too. Whereas Argentina only has lies that it cannot support.
Marvin - yup the worls does ... as does the world ! (cordless keyboard - I hate it!)
** 52 Beef
Oct 29th, 2011 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0don't forget that the Roman Empire had collapsed while
the City Rome had living in rich/gaudy...!!
The Roman Empire collapsed ?
Oct 29th, 2011 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really?
And the Byzantine Empire was?
And the Holy Roman Empire was ?
One should never take bits of history in isolation. Never heard of the butterfly effect?
One thing begets another :-)
@64geo,
Oct 29th, 2011 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Must soon be time for the Argentine Empire to collapse.
** 65 Red.... ** 66 Isol
Oct 29th, 2011 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0the Argentina is not Empire ,merely middle class country..
i don't know if she has some secret/unseen relations web empire...!!
** 65 Red
Oct 29th, 2011 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0the British Empire had passed by US at the 19th century..
i history all kinds of Empire collapsed one day ...not only Byzantine,
Roman...also Ottoman ,Austria_Hungary,Soviet Union,Inka.....etc.
you must have at least 100-200 millions population to resist against
the evolution of history..
** 66 Isol
i am a member of a Global Secret Economy Empire ..as a good man.!!
ZETHE. ISLANDER1.
Oct 29th, 2011 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ZETHE: In the same way that the u. k. suggested argentina in 1947 that it would accept to take the question of the sandwich and the south georgia to the court, it should do the same now but with the dispute for the islands, in 1885 argentina had propose the u. k. to take the question to the arbitration, you can read it in my survey, but it rejected that posibility. I will always insist that if none of the two nations proposes to give that step, it's because both are not sure that they are going to win, i respect your opinion if you dont think like me, but i dont aggree on your analysis, i really think that if in 1947 the u. k. suggested argentina to take the question for the dependencies to the court, it was because surelly it was sure that it had a solid case to present, and it thought that it could win, however it never proposed the same for the malvinas-falkland question.
In the same way that the islanders defend the right to self determination, we defend our territorial integrity, and only a judgement from the i. c. j can affirm if that right is really applicable for them or not, and what country more relevant rights on the islands.
ISLANDER: Our constitution can say whatever about our claim, all the resolutions only call the two parts to negotiate, in fact if you heard the statement by c. f. k before the u. n, she affirmed that we are not asking the u. k. to resume the negotiations under the recognizement of the sovereignty, we are asking to comply with some of the 10 resolutions from the u. n, which call both nations to resume the negotiations, she is telling you that we woulden't accept only that the islands are only our sovereignty, she is telling you that we want a fair and negotiated solution, on the other hand, chancellour timerman said before the u. n also that argentina has always been disposed to renew the safeguards and the guarantees that had been negotiated with the u. k. before 1982, so, what you say is false.
Yes, porky(fatso) Arguello, we defy you all. Annoying little elves aren't we?
Oct 29th, 2011 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0geo,
Argentina would like to become an empire at the expense of Britain, Chile & the Falklands(& maybe others!). Must be frustrating for them as we are a huge stumbling block on their path to greatness(they think!).
1885 – In a response to the British protest, on January 2nd, Foreign Minister Ortiz suggests in a letter that; ” … the postponed discussion be reopened again… and resolved by the friendly means and law that today civilised nations adopt to solve questions of this type .. “.
Oct 29th, 2011 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1850-1899/
Bit vague Axel - no specific request to negotiate the terms of an agreement to go to arbitration.
At least when Britain tried we pushed it all the way.
As for now - why should we? We have everything - and as Maggies said, ”In 1955, the British Government applied unilaterally to the International Court of Justice against encroachments on British sovereignty in the dependencies by Argentina. Again, the court advised that it could not pursue the matter since it could act only if there was agreement between the parties recognising the court’s jurisdiction.
In 1977, Argentina, having accepted the jurisdiction of an international court of arbitration on the Beagle Channel dispute with Chile, then refused to accept its results. It is difficult to believe in Argentina’s good faith with that very recent example in mind.
There is no reason, given the history of this question, for Britain, which has sovereignty and is claiming nothing more, to make the first move. It is Argentina that is making a claim. If Argentina wanted to refer it to the International Court, we would consider the possibility very seriously. But in the light of past events it would be hard to have confidence that Argentina would respect a judgment that it did not like.”
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1850-1899/
YOU want ICJ justice- YOU take us there !
but first you'd have to get your Government to sign up to the ICJ.
As for the rest - try telling Cristina to publicly state that she will consider the islanders independence as an outcome of negotiations!
Why would we need to take you to court Axel...We have the islands.
Oct 29th, 2011 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Red accused me of stealing something that was in my possesson. It would be down to him to take me to court to prove me wrong. Basic law, Axel.
There is an old saying, by Sun Tzu Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. And looks like that's what the Argi's are doing, Uruguay/Paraguay /Chile they all want a little bit of you, so it would be wise to look a lot closer to home, as there day will come.
Oct 29th, 2011 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what was the silly replies to my blogg,
Oct 29th, 2011 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic copycat and rhetoric slander, all the hallmarks of a nation that is finished,
All you stupid argie bloggers can do now, ,,is the same as your glorious leader has done,
Talk talk,
Laugh laugh
Insult away my indoctrinated friends, with joypops like flipper you don’t need enemies you’re all born with him, lol.
[ah to be british ]
On the basis of the British invasion of Río de la Plata I have been able to establish that Argentina is in fact owned by Great Britain.
Oct 29th, 2011 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been tabling a series of motions at the UN in order to officially establish this claim to Argentina. There is historical president for this, on the basis of an almost 200 year invasion of the Falkland Islands by a German and some British ex patriots, Argentina claims the Falkland Islands.
I can establish as historical fact that Río de la Plata was invaded by Britain and that this claim was never renounced, there is over 200 years of continued British claim to Argentina.
This makes all Argentines suject to British law and taxation. I am planning to get Buenos Aires renamed Port of Britain. Argentina will be called Bairdland, after the leader of British forces in the first occupation of Río de la Plata.
It is important to state that this did not happen just once - as in the Argentine claim to the Falklands - but twice !
@ 74 briton, the problem with you is that you're like a woman always complaining about the d*ck size of her man, it's too fat, it's too thin, it's too long, it's too short, it's too hard, it's too soft, you're never satisfied.
Oct 29th, 2011 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 75 I would like to try those magic mushrooms too.
Axel, Sorry But we have 30 years exeperience of BROKEN PROMISES from successive Argentine Govts!
Oct 29th, 2011 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your Presidents always try to say the right things in the UN General Assembly - would not look very good there if they actually said what they really want! Words in the GA are meaningless and of no value - we both know that.
Your Constitution though is a formal written document and is quite clear on our fate!
It is backed up by countless statements by your ForeignMinisters and others over the years, and Presidents.
Words like- we(the Islanders) have no rights - we are irrelevant - etc etc .
All is reinforced by attitudes like:
Threatening Int Shipping Lines with Blackmail unless they drop business with the Islands.
Breaching of IATA regulations by banning civilian overflights of Arg territory by another nation,s commercial aircraft.
Breaching UN Maritime convention rules of the right of free passage of vessels through your end of the Straits of Magellan by demanding that vessels declare cargo and destination etc with the threat of stopping and arrest. Vessel Captains with balls though call the bluff on this and simply refuse to co-operate other than the usual courtesy signals on the assumption that not even CFK is stupid enough to start a major war by firing at an unarmed civilian ship!
Int Telephone Exchanges that operate through Arg refuse to acknowledge or handle phone traffic to the Islands- code -500+number.
Repeatedly hassle and abuse innocent tourists who board a vessel in the Islands and then disembark in Ushuaia.
Repeatedly try and get the Islands representatives banned from such bodies as International Fisheries Conservation meetings,Veterinary symposiums, Amateur Sports associations in S America.
Walked out of and refuse any form of co-operation on information related to direct Fisheries Conservation and stock management in the SW Atlantic.
Hassle innocent 3rd nations unarmed fishing vessels,
76 xbarilox
Oct 29th, 2011 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truth is, im not a woman, as you well know, your remark is very offensive to women,
But having said that
XBARILOX, you are a slimy perverted internet mole,
Your insults are well ant truly likened to the gutter rat you are,
for only a slimy perverted gutter snipe desperate for attention spends his time insulting others, a true trade mark of a lonely uneducated perverted indoctrinated bloggers,
So do us a favour either wash your dirty filthy mouth , or continue to be referred to as a perverted internet blogge,
...........................
Insults used by the uneducated to undermined the embarrassment of having been born a loser.
laugh laugh
2010 - In September, delegates from the Falkland Islands attend the World Summit on Fishing Sustainability, in Spain. Argentina protests by walking out of the first meeting, and removing the Falkland's delegates flags and nameplates.”
Oct 29th, 2011 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow! Nasty stuff! Childish but nasty :-))))
Thats because they are childish, Red. They don't like to be told no.
Oct 30th, 2011 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Xbox, don't be so crude.
** 75 UKOwnsnothing
Oct 30th, 2011 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0gee......!!
what a clever boy ...!!
WE OWN the Falklands - lol
Oct 30th, 2011 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0REHOYT. ISLANDER1. ZETHE.
Oct 30th, 2011 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ZETHE: If you have the islands, ¿then why did the u. k. suggest argentina in 1947 that it would accept to take the question for the dependencies to the court?, i insist that if it did it, it was because it thought that it had a good case to present, and thought also that surelly it could win, however none of the two nations proposes the same for the malvinas-falkland question, i had nothing more to add.
REHOYT: I respect your opinion but, i think it's irrelevant to use what happened in 1977 to express that maybe you have doubts about the acceptation of argentina of the judgements from the court, in 1977 we had a dictatorship, but since 1983 we are a democratic nation, in fact we took the question of the problem that had with uruguay to the court, and both countries accepted perfectly the judgement, we still have some difficulties but they will be solved.
Respecting the 1885 proposal, anyone can make a diferent interpretation, for me it's perfectly clear that it's suggesting to take dispute to the arbitration.
ISLANDER: I respect the doubts that you have, in fact in same aspects i dont like the way that our government handles the question, it doesen't do anything to try to build a better relation with the islanders, but i value so much the defense that it does in all the forums about our rights.
On the other hand, i really think that the actual scenario is the result of the lack of negotiations, i have always said as long as the u. k. and the islanders insist on rejecting to resume the negotiations for the sovereignty of the islands, which is the man problem, it's expectable that we have more and more problems, both are not acting correctly, beside, we can make planty of speculations about what might happen if the countries decide to resume the negotiations, but as long as it doesen't happen, words are taken by the win, the most important are the facts.
Dictatorship/Democracy (flawed) - you are judged by your actions, and they haven't much changed since the 1930's.
Oct 30th, 2011 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina did accept the judgment of the ICJ over the pulp mill, albeit with bad grace. The protestors didn't accet it, and whinge still.
What's clear, is that there was no serious request in 1885. It was not followed up at a serious level. No official notes, no complaints in international fora - nothing.
Smoke and mirrors, nothing more.
ZETHE: If you have the islands, ¿then why did the u. k. suggest argentina in 1947 that it would accept to take the question for the dependencies to the court?
Oct 30th, 2011 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no population on the other islands. The falklands have a living, breathing population.
UK “defies South America
Oct 30th, 2011 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so do something,
or leave them alone .
Axel - from what you say I take it that you are agreeing that there can be No Negotiations and sitting at the Table together whilst Argetnina continues with its current nagressive and abusive policy?
Oct 31st, 2011 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Change that policy, allow 20-25 years to pass to get back to the level and type of relations that existed between us under the Menem Govt and it could then be very very difficult for us to refuse to sit down and talk with you.
Currently, and for as long as the Kirschener policy continues it is so easy to say no - The current Arg Govt makes it a sure thing!
Today nobody internationally is pressing the Islands nor UK to sit down and talk. Oh yes - plenty of meaningless and toothless statements etc are issued and signed around various Int meetings - but all these are meaninless verbage of no legal binding value- we know it and Arg knows it!
Dear Argenwhines,
Oct 31st, 2011 - 05:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it not sufficient that you have the eight largest nation in the world? The Falkland were never yours. You are not the former Spanish empire. Before embarking on Imperialist dreams, get your mainland house in order. Things like your economy, corruption and so much more. Like Hebe Bonafides foreign bank accounts. Cristina's connection to the looting of funds. Read that book called, The History of Argentina! There you will learn that your poor suffering country has been totally buggered by it's disgustingly corrupt leaders and labor unions. I recently visited the Falklands for 2 weeks and interviewed many residents. Not a single one wants to be part of your disastrous rats nest, not a one. As for some of you red hot Argys: First thing tomorrow, go to your local Farmacia and ask for PROZAC or Fluoexitina, 20mg and take 2 a day for the rest of the CFK catastrophy. But remember, as always you will get what is coming to you, getting screwed by your government, after all you voted her in by 54%. Not saying much for you or the opposition that could not get their act together! But knowing your country, they were probably paid off with big Land grants in Patagonia or Rio Negro. Argentina is crying for you!
@88
Oct 31st, 2011 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Succinctly put. In some past blog I was going to mention to one particular fargin' argie that his knowledge of pharmaceuticals was most probably linked to their national neuroses, etc, ad nauseam, but what's the point?
Q. What's the difference 'twixt a Nargie and a computer?
A. You only have to punch the info into a computer once...
''not allowing Argentina to patrol its own waters and denies South America the right to exercise sovereignty over a space which naturally belongs to her'' ?????
Oct 31st, 2011 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yep, still a liar. Does anyone actually believe any of this crap? What a huge waste of public money.
Is he elected, or is this what you call a 'diplomat' in Argentina?
90 Monty69--- once a liar always a liar, they are born sucking at the tit of their mothers with her whispering lie my son lie its what we do best and we are so good at it.
Oct 31st, 2011 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@89
Oct 31st, 2011 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't know what propofol was !! you are a Doctor in what? Decoration?
No I didn't - because the real English speaking world doesn't use the same generic names as the US for medicines and, they, generally, somewhat like you , are so bloody pig ignorant about everything that they assume the rest of the world conforms to their narrow perspective.
Oct 31st, 2011 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May be I'm wrong and you are just a Michael Jackson fan.
And I never said I was a Doctor of Medicine...
It was a joke and I already know that you are not a Medical Doctor. Not big deal
Oct 31st, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REDHOYT. ZETHE. ISLANDER. CRUZANSAILOR.
Oct 31st, 2011 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REDHOYT: Respecting the 1885 proposal, i wont discuss once and again with you, i respect your opinion but you already know what i think about it. Beside, your comparisons are really ignorant, if the protestors didnt accept so much the judgement from the i. c. j, they will have to do it, on the other hand, it doesen't have anything to do with the gov, anyother administration would have repressed them, like it happens in all the rest of the world, however we went to the court, and accepted the judgement.
ZETHE: If the dependencies were not populated, is not such a relevant issue, you had and still have the islands, however your country suggested that it would accept to discuss about the question to the court.
ISLANDERS: I respect your opinion, and your right when you talk about the policies during menem's government, per haps that's one of the few things he did right, anyway, not even in that time your side accepted to resume the negotiations for the sovereignty. You already know that i think that both sides are not acting correctly, as long as your side continues rejecting to discuss a fair solution for the main problem (the sovereignty), this is evident that we are going to have more a more problems. You have no excuses to reject to resume the negotiations, no body wants to subdue your people in this country, nor the gov., nor no body.
CRUZANSAILOR: Don be so hypocrite, all the countries have positive and negative aspects, not only argentina, if you only talk about the corruption cases of my country, that shows how partial and ignorant knowledge you have respecting argentina. Beside, beyond our negative aspects, if the u. n call arg and the u. k. to resume the negotiations for the dispute for the malvinas-falkland islands, it must be respected, no matter if we are the best or the worse country of the world.
Axel: I have a great Idea for you. All of you white people in Argentina go back to where you came from and return the country to its original inhabitants, you know that ones that you went and deliberately killed during several wars, because they were so pesky. Maybe that is why Argentina has such rotten Karma?
Oct 31st, 2011 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 095 axel arg
Nov 01st, 2011 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0It all boils down to this
Are you a dictatorship or a democracy?
Do you believe in the right to decide who governs you,
Or a government that dictates to you,
Simple is it not,
[We believe in democracy, and the right to decide who governs you]
What do you believe in, ??
You can keep peddling this rubbish as much as you like Axel, even you don't believe this. Why would we keep taking Argentina to the ICJ over this issue when the last THREE times we tried to Argentina never
Nov 01st, 2011 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0zethe: YOU are LIAR!
uk HAS NEVER taken the matters to the ICJ,for Malvinas.
On the contrary,Argentina invited uk to settle the dispute in an arbitration court,over 5 times,starting in 1884....
zethe: YOU ARE A LIAR!! buzz off!!
Right again Marvin :-)
Nov 01st, 2011 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 01955 – On May 4th, Britain unilaterally places the dispute over South Georgia, the South Shetland Islands, the South Sandwich Islands and Graham Land before the International Court of Justice at the Hague. ” … Differences have existed between the Governments of the United Kingdom and of the Republic of Argentina for a number of years, concerning pretensions advanced by the Republic in 1925, and at various dates thereafter, to the sovereignty of certain Antarctic and sub-Antarctic territories which belong to the United Kingdom under prior, long-standing, and well-established legal titles, dating from, at latest, the period 1775-1843. The territories in dispute between the two countries form part of the Falkland Islands Dependencies, consisting of already existing British possessions, which were proclaimed as such and formally placed under the administration of the Government of the Colony of the Falkland Islands by Royal Letters Patent of July …”
On August 1st, the Argentine Foreign Minister writes, ” .. The Argentine Government has several times had occasion to indicate in notes addressed to Her Britannic Majesty’s Embassy in Buenos Aries that it cannot consent to the question of sovereignty over the Antarctic Territories of Argentina which it is sought to raise being referred for decision to any International Court of Justice or Arbitration Tribunal. By this present note, my Government reaffirms its refusal in the most express way with regard to the jurisdiction of this Court and with regard to any possibility that it should be seised as such to deal with this case.”
Argentina elsewhere refers to a ‘.. fundamental principle in accordance with which territorial sovereignty cannot be submitted for discussion or put in issue ..’ and states that the matter is too ” .. self-evident to require judicial determination..”.
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1900-1965/
I don't know how you do it :-)))
Now PROVE your claim of 5 times !
They can't. Simple as that. Trying to bluff us.
Nov 01st, 2011 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Argentina would like to become an empire at the expense of Britain, Chile & the Falklands(& maybe others!). Must be frustrating for them as we are a huge stumbling block on their path to greatness(they think!). ”
Nov 01st, 2011 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0(Isolde #70)
I really don't think there are 'Thoughts of Empire', Isolde.
Even the 'disturbed' presidents Mugabe and Amin never extended their imagination beyond their borders.
There are some powerful similarities between CFK, Mugabe and Amin, and - similarly - I think that her TFI-talk is rhetoric for internal manipulation rather than serious 'Thoughts of Empire'.
'Command of the South Atlantic' - to win exploitation area - is something else, however'.
Argentina might assume a Somali Strategy to marine traffic around the region using (government) surrogates to discourage, board and impound pending payment of penalties for 'illegal transit'.
World marine traffic of a certain size cannot ply the Panama and is therefore 'at risk'.
We see it happening in the South China Sea, so it is not impossible in 'Argentina's Ocean'.
Once again Axel confuses negotiating an end to the dispute over sovereignty with a transfer of sovereignty. There is a massive difference between these two things.
Nov 01st, 2011 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the former the UK always has been and is prepared to negotiate, for the latter the rights of the Falkland Islanders take precedence, the UK's hands are tied buy the UN Charter and a raft of UN Resolutions.
It's high time Argentina got to grips with the difference between these two things and high time Argentina acquainted itself with the universal human rights it pretends to uphold.
Argentina might assume a Somali Strategy to marine traffic around the region using (government) surrogates to discourage, board and impound pending payment of penalties for 'illegal transit'.
Nov 01st, 2011 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0World marine traffic of a certain size cannot ply the Panama and is therefore 'at risk'.
The Argies will have to do what they do best, play with themselves
Panama Canal Celebrates Anniversary with New Locks
http://www.designnews.com/document.asp?doc_id=230505
In 2014 for its 100-year anniversary, the Panama Canal Authority is modernizing and expanding the canal between the Atlantic and Pacific. The construction includes installation of new locks to the two oceans, each with three lock chambers, and will allow much bigger ships than before to pass through the Panama Canal.
she is so desperate ,,, enough said
Nov 01st, 2011 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine's around the world demand UN and NATO to take action against the occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina or to allow for a nuclear defence program to be build in Argentina to protect the main land from any farther occupation and theft of land in Argentina. that simple pirats your days are numbered and I wouldn't eat that apple if I where you.
Nov 02nd, 2011 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REDHOYT. J. A. ROBERT. BRITON.
Nov 02nd, 2011 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Redhoyt: In the same way that arg rejected to discuss the question of the dependencies to the court, you rejected our proposal of arbitration of 1885, i know you dont consider that proposal, but like it or not, it existed, on the other hand, your country didn't propose the same for the malvinas-falkland dispute, it reaffirms once and again what i think about it, if none of the two nations proposes to take the question to the court, it's because both are not sure that they can win.
J. A. ROBERT: In the same way that the islanders claim for the right to self determination, we claim for our territrial integrity, none resolution affirms that the negotiation for the sovereignty must be resumed only if the islanders wish it, and none of them neather affirm that the u. k. should transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, both should resume the negotiations for the sovereignty which is the main problem. In the same way that the u. k. suggested argentina in 1947 to take the question of the dependencies to the court, it should do the same now but with the dispute for the islands, however if none of the two nations proposes it, it's because both think that they can loose.
BRITON: Of course i believe in democracy, that's why i think the question should be taken to the court, because this is evident that your ountry is not disposed to discuss about the sovereignty which is the main issue.
The people of the Falkland Islands do not want to be connected to Argentina. Argentina need to leave them alone.
Nov 02nd, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 107 Millet
Nov 03rd, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islanders are in Argentina.
How can´t you be connected to it when you´re occupying its territory?
If the British didn´t want to be connected to Argentina they should have stayed home.
We didn´t bring you here... so don´t blame us and get over it.
108 Islas Malvinas
Nov 03rd, 2011 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, we aren't in Argentina.
No, we are not occupying your territory.
We are 'at home'.
We don't have anything to 'get over'. You appear to be the ones with the problem.
So dry your eyes, princess.
@108 l/m,
Nov 04th, 2011 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0poor, poor malvina.can't hack it in the real world.
get lost, Argentina. you are a pest.
If Argentina was not such a weak country, they could drive Briton out of the Falklands. But allas all they can do is continually try to talk them out. Frankly, the world is getting tried of their weak demands
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