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Argentina/US bilateral relations must improve “to their best possible levels”

Friday, November 11th 2011 - 07:48 UTC
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President Cristina Fernández met on Thursday with newly appointed Argentine ambassador to the US Jorge Argüello at the Olivos presidential residency, and instructed him to improve bilateral ties “to their best possible levels.” Read full article

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  • ed

    I didn't know B.H.Obama has interests on widows.

    by the way
    B.H.Obama ! what your sister is looking for in Middle Asia Countries ?

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Before any advance in relations can occur Argentina will be forced to pay the bond hold outs,The US ICSID judgments & formally apologize for boarding our military plane. Until (at least) those 3 events occur they will be frozen out of State and Treasury.
    I have heard they asked the US companies in Argentina not to xfer money back to HQ. Which violates a lot of int'l agreements and will make the relationship even worse.

    As of yesterday the peso is 5/1 on the grey market everyone knows a devaluations is coming. Merry Christmas! Party like it is 2001!

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    Who gives a turd about defaulting Argentina, at least the witch has sent the stupid familiar to somewhere that might recognises the lies Arguello is peddling.

    Obama gives good lip service and takes a good picture, until they pay up they will keep them away with a shitty stick.

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    2 yankeeboy, Apologize for boarding your military plane?
    Hahahahaha, we did not apologize, we will not apologize and our government relations...well look at the picture above.

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    4 You'll see, USA doesn't need Argentina for anything but Argentina needs the USA support to keep the $ flowing from the Int'l banks as your economy crashes. Is it 2001 again already?
    How do you like the $5/$U1 when do you think it will hit $6/1 in March or sometime before?

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    5- How do you like 46 million Americans living below the poverty and 9 percent unemployment?

    US National Debt

    http://www.usdebtclock.org/

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    You are talking relative poverty. Seriously, you need to travel and see the difference between the abject poverty so many Argentines endure, as opposed to relative poverty experienced in developed countries.

    I am not saying poverty is acceptable in any country, advanced or developing economies, but to try to compare is stretching credibility.

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    6. Depends on your definition of poor, Argentina's poor is $U1.25 day per person, it is 30% of your population and that's after 10 years of growth! Do you think your getting another 10?
    While USA's poor is ARG$50,000 per person! Isn't that more than your Doctors make?
    Not really much of a comparison.

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Retroqqq

    yankeeboy you are trolling

    You just hating for no reason.

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    Hey Yankee Boy go abck home to the U.S where you belong
    theres no place for parasites like you, go back to your homey
    west side life in the U.S your country is inthe midst of one of its
    greatest recessions in its history so you should be the last one on earth
    to comment, go eat your dirty soggy burger I will stick with my fine
    Argentine steak you low life. God Bless your little soul

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • wesley mouch

    It is inevitable that CFK and Obama would be best friends. Both are totalitarian Socialists, arrogant and drunk with power. They steal the people's money and give it to their cronies.

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    Wesley that's rubbish talk.they are not socialists one is a stooge to be replaced by a republican or a Blair type democrat,which is neither democratic in the party political sense or socialist but a servant of capital.the other will either bend to what will appear to be foreign demands(commonly called global economy realities) or will not see out the term but will handover to a servant of capital.in Europe today unelected officials have taken over key positions in governments of so-called democratic countries to carry out the demands of capital.how will those actions be interpreted by non socialists.not as a failure of capitalist democracy you can be sure and the relatively well off poor of yankeyland will be happy will they?

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    7 ElaineB, You need to get out of your fancy hotels when you travel in “developed” countries.

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    Elaine its you who should travel a little.i have been many many times in Buenos Aires and seen the villas miserias where life has improved immesureably in the last number of years.I have been to to New Orleans and seen the abject misery of the North american poor.However there the situation is getting worse.I have visited Glasgow and leeds too and seen some of the saddest places imaginable concrete jungles with no fun no jobs no life.so get your facts right and leave Puerto Argentino just now and then

    Nov 11th, 2011 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    There are a few deniers of the concept of relative wealth and relative poverty here.

    I have posted and debated (especially with Yul) on the topic, and I see absolute povery all around me in South America - sometimes cheek by jowl with real wealth which, we are told is 'just the way it is in south america'.

    Any journey through the countries of the developed world will show poverty AND poverty of aspiration, but it won't show the abject, grinding have-absolutely-nothingness that I have seen so very, very frequently here.

    Yes, I have relatives in poverty, but their poverty is relative.

    Nov 12th, 2011 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    “There are a few deniers of the concept of relative wealth and relative poverty here.”

    Indeed there are.

    Nov 12th, 2011 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    There is economic poverty which is of various degrees.there is social poverty which manifests itself as anti-social behaviour and criminal activity but the most depressing poverty is political poverty which manifests itself as the belief that the force of capitalist power is too great to be challenged.the corrupt behaviour of capitalist being exposed and pursued more rather than a submissive 'what's new' would be refreshingly better than the degrees of poverty.I am interested to learn how a relatively powerless section of society has caused such a failure of capitalism and how the real culprits are not exposed as what they are.and by the way,I believe that relations between argentina and usa will appear to improve because that is the way to get co-operation from any government in argentina to offer the least resistance to the unpleasant demands of the capitalists.compare Greece with Ireland or Italy.

    Nov 12th, 2011 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Ogara, I am not sure what kind of a fantasy world you live in but it is one that suspends all reality. So you think the life in a villa in metro BA is better than living in a major US or UK city? What a crock. I go to New Orleans at least 1x year and have never seen abject misery (whatever that is) care to explain where and when you saw this phenomenon and please don't post some stupid you tube video from a non-profit looking for donations or Katrina b/s.
    I travel at least 2x year to South American and live in the USA, there is no comparison. We do not have children ( 5-7 yr old) searching through garbage, begging in the street, juggling in traffic, etc etc etc. You can not compare the poverty in SA to the USA. In the USA you are poor if you don't have a car or live more than 2 people in a 1bd apartment. Even what you would consider “middle class” people in BA (like people from Avellaneda) would be considered to be in extreme poverty if living like that in the USA.
    BTW if you were really Irish you would know how to write proper English. Nice try tho...

    Nov 12th, 2011 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    It's correct English not proper colonialist big timer.you want to judge again else yankeboy(who lives in the model country with death sentence and other uncivilised practices)

    Nov 12th, 2011 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Yankeeboy take that young girl “Elaine” for a walk to the real world...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVow13huL_I

    Hometown Fred?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVow13huL_I

    Nov 12th, 2011 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    Yankeeboy or should we say Teaboy 3.please read a little Borges and you may actually grow up a little.So I dont speak English correctly?
    MMMMMM
    “1xyear” Now thats what i call Shakespearian.
    Abject misery is for those who are near illiteracy means one who lives in extreme poverty.
    Please the instrument we sleep and make love in is spelled bed not bd

    So Teaboy spare me the lectures on the English language.
    The silly arguments used by Geoffrey and yourself putting all of South America together is as factually correct and ignorant as someone saying Holland and Azerbaijan are the same.Utter rubbish.
    To try and suggest Avellaneda is a middle class part of BA is so absurd it merely emphasizes your lack of knowledge about Argentina
    I would not deny for one minute there is serious poverty in Gran Buenos Aires but compared to Brasil it ison a much smaller level.
    Those who suggest here that it is only relative poverty in the US are delusional.In Detroit alone charities give out 75000 meals to those who have not enough to eat.What releativity are you talking about?
    In official US statistics over 20% of the popualtion are unable to put enough food on the table for their families.Check it out its happening all over the US.I find nothing nice about this but its the reality of 2011.

    Nov 13th, 2011 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “In official US statistics over 20%”

    No.

    In OFFCIAL US statistics, The USDA(United States Department of Agriculture) found that 17.2 million households in America(5.4 percent) suffered from lack of food in 2010.

    75% of the US population is obese... Theres hardly a food shortage.

    Nov 13th, 2011 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    17million go short of food! You should have said only 17million it might not have sounded so bad or do you think it is acceptable and are 75% obese because capitalism is unable to promote the distribution of wealth adequately,similarly with the health care.and again this from the model for development. Cuba take note is it

    Nov 13th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Yuleno, you know full well that the distribution of wealth is worse in South America, even worse than Africa.

    I am not sure why you mention Cuba but remember how they suffered from hunger when the USSR broke up? The average person was living on 1,000 calories a day.

    Nov 13th, 2011 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Yulano, You think life in Cuba is better than the USA? Care to explain why we still have Cuban refugees coming to the USA daily? It's over 90 miles of shark infested water on hand made rafts and you think Cuba is better? What a nut.

    The only people who go hungry in the USA are lazy or stupid. There are plenty of gov't subsidies, church, schools and non-profits that give them food. We are the only country in the world that have fat homeless people.

    Am I to assume you think Peronism is better than Capitalism? I would love to hear how your warped and feeble mind could think that....give it a go will ya...

    Nov 13th, 2011 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    Oh yankeyboy you do jump.USA has fat lazy stupid people and that's official or just according to you?I did not say anything about Cuba being a better place but if you've lived there and know it isn't I still could not take your word for it because I know that 17million household cannot go short of food and even the children of these households be fat lazy and stupid.it's scientifically impossible for them to be all three.but I don't suppose you care too much,they are the black sheep of the 'American dream' to you.to me they are the reserve of labor used too depress the true value of labor.you didn't mention health care but I suppose these households will get it free seen as they can't buy it without sacrifice their food intake.as for peronism,it goal is to manage an economy for the good of it'd citizens and because of others de-stabilising all attempts to do that,it has obstacles to achieving that and so we come back to the article and the need to improve relations.I suggest this is the beginning of USA 'encouraging'argentina to maintain a free Market ethos and not to revert to a Peronist protectionist economy(or else someone will interfere) you know like with Cuba.

    Nov 13th, 2011 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    short of food
    fat
    lazy
    stupid

    “it's scientifically impossible for them to be all three”

    Four.

    It's worth noting that a food shortage in the US is rather different from in other countrys. This is what O'gara is talking about relative/absolute poverty however he/she is rather mistaken.

    A “food shortage” in the in the US normally means skipping a meal, reducing the size of the meal and at it's worse case, missing one days worth of food. 28% of that 17 million reported missing a days worth of food on odd occasions.

    It's hardly millions of people all starving in the streets dying like you see in countrys with absolute poverty.

    Nov 13th, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    Zethe
    I didnt say the US was comparable to Africa but to Argentina yes.The unemploynment rate in the US is higher than in Argentina and welfare is little better.Welfare in the US is very poor compared to Europe.
    The situation in Argentina is still slightly worse but not by much.Detroit,Louisiana and much of the South are in dire straights.In Argentina the situation of the poor has improved dramatically during the Kirchner years which shows Elaines continued claims of haveing Argentine friends to be at the least extremely doubtful especially when she is still telling us there arent any books to be bought on Corrientes

    Nov 14th, 2011 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    OMG I am actually going to agree with O'G, Detroit is very much like BA, a big city that used to be beautiful and rich that has been destroyed by the greedy Unions and bad government! Louisiana and much of the South are you reading books from the post civil war? New Orleans, Atlanta and Miami are gorgeous and the overall living condition are much better than in Argentina. Why do you think there are 250,000 illegal Argentinians in Miami alone? It's certainly not because it is worse!

    Nov 14th, 2011 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    New Orleans,Atlanta and Miami are indeed gorgeous for the rich but sadly bot for those on the bottom of the heap.In fact as you say just like Buenos Aires.But if you want quality of life i suggest you go to places like Carilo,The Sierra of Cordoba or Neuquen and tell me is it better now in 2011 not some day in the past

    Nov 14th, 2011 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @28 Really, whether you think I have friends and work in Argentina is neither here nor there.

    Oh, how you love to rewrite history, even recent events. I never said there were no books to be had in Argentina - I have bought many - but there were not certain books available. That's all. Now revert to type and make a big drama out of nothing.

    More generally,

    I think the quality of life is often better away from big cities. The Chileans say that Santiago is the place to be for work opportunities but somewhere like Vina Del Mar has a better quality of life. Likewise, BsAs is a buzzing place to live but the estancias around Cordoba are the places I head to for R & R on long trips away from home.

    I guess we can be proud of where we live and dress it up however we like with words. I love Argentina but nothing on earth would make me lie and say the poverty is anything but grinding, abject poverty for millions of unfortunate people. I am sure it has improved recently, it could not be any worse than ten years ago.

    Nov 14th, 2011 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    O'G, Carilo? Of course it is nice it is for upper middle class Argies with security guards everywhere to keep out the riff raff like Villages CC in Pilar. I stayed in Carilo once but I thought it was too sterile.
    Neuquen and Cordoba are nice but too remote, its like saying the Grand Canyon is beautiful so what? I never said there wasn't natural beauty there. In face I love LLAO LLAO I think it is one of the most beautiful hotels I have ever been to but again so what.

    The conversation is about you trying unsuccessfully to compare USA poverty to Argentina. You can't. There are thousands of Argies trying to escape to the USA to try to get a chance at a better life even though we are in a recession! The lines to try to get a visa at the US Embassy are a block long and most are denied because too many have already overstayed their visas. There is an unwritten guideline not to let anyone single between 19-35 into the USA. In Miami there is a whole area of town called “little Buenos Aires” because there are so many illegal Argies living there.
    I very much doubt you have been to the USA, if you were a tourist there is no way you would have seen poverty here. I am not saying it doesn't exist but certainly not anywhere tourists would go it would be very far away from that area. We don't have a villa in front the the Sheraton like you do in BA. We don't have tens or hundreds of families occupying vacant buildings like you do. We don't have children begging, juggling or searching through trash like you do. We don't have swarms of people hunting for treasure in the garbage nightly like you to.

    You just can't compare it to the USA it is impossible. It is like comparing Walmart to Saks yeah they may have some of the same types of goods but it is no where near the same.

    Nov 14th, 2011 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    What is wonderful about yanks is they think they have the benchmark judgement of what poverty is.they think that if people don't see something it doesn't exist but the reservation still exist and the indigenous people live in grinding abject poverty where their way of life is forbidden.and if you wish to challenge that with personal experience as you use in these posts please state which penitentiary you visited to be able to contradict the refusal to allow native cultural practices.don't forget when you try to contrast this with Argentina that you claim to be the model.You have the highest incarceration number in the world.what is the cause of that,a wonderful country or some other reason.it sounds to me that you confuse privilege with an individuals worth.because you are not poor don't put on other people what you were privileged to achieve others less privileged should also achieve.if you haven't experienced poverty you might not be able to judge what it is.there is more to life than just food but in the 21st cent for you to have to admit people go to bed hungry in the USA must hurt your pride to such an extent that you try to hide from it.there is hunger in the USA,there is crime which has led to the highest prison population in the USA,there are reservations in the USA.there is no comparison being made here just facts.

    Nov 14th, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @33 Yuleno. What is your view on the poverty in Argentina?

    Nov 14th, 2011 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    Poverty in Argentina is too high and Argentina would be a better country with more wealth evenly distributed.do you think it is possible Elaine?

    Nov 14th, 2011 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    35 What a load of drivel! Your comments are absolutely sickening. You are obviously a tried and true Marxist so go live in Venzuela or Cuba I hear they are a beautiful and perfect example of what happens when you re-distribute some else's wealth. It's no wonder SA will never advance too many commrades/companeros trying to drag it down. Very Very sad.

    Nov 14th, 2011 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    Yanked unfortunately for you I live where I want and I realise you won't like that as you would incarcerate me or put me on a reservation or even send me to Guantanamo if you get a chance.look at yourself,your country is the richest,fairest,most desirable country in the world but it has such intolerable and domineering people.no chance of fairness and justice in a country like that,and you can educate Iraq and Afghanistan?

    Nov 14th, 2011 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    Yuleno: Teaboy and Elaine still imagine the Argentina of 2001 when the country was brought to its knees by the Neo Liberal policies advocated by the US.They fail to recognize the country has grown at 8% a year since utterly transforming the social situation.Of course they DONT WANT TO RECOGNIZE IT clinging on desperately to the notion of a backward Argentina which they would love to continue.
    They also fail to recognize the slow continious decline of the US once the powerhouse of the World now a horrendously indebted nation close to being insolvent

    Nov 14th, 2011 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Umm I was just there this summer, has it changed that much since then?
    What did I see outside of my hotel, garbage on every corner, people picking through it nightly, children begging in the streets and restaurants, crumbling sidewalks, UBA full of graffiti and crumbling buildings oh gosh I could go on and on...it is gross and you are on your path to a 10 year decline. $110 peso menu executivo for steak and lots and lots of pastas on the menu. People are getting fat eating so much past and bread because they can't afford meat any longer. It is not going to get any better now too bad you wasted 10 years.

    Nov 14th, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @35 I hope. I wish. It is the right country to be prosperous with the wrong attitude. Allow me to explain a little, and this is NOT personal criticism.

    The Peronist model of government is all about short-term populism, uniting under a nationalism by creating a fictitious common enemy and isolation from other countries. This is great for keeping power and wealth in the hands of the few in power but does little for the economic stability of the country and its' people.

    The biggest obstacle to overcome is the systemic corruption. It starts at the top with the Argentine people's money being stolen by those is power, right down to the man on the street avoiding paying anything to the system. (Though you can understand why given the corruption). People will avoid paying anything into the system if they can. A lot of Argentines see this as beating the system as opposed to cheating it. (If I had a pound for every time I have heard, “That is the rule/law but, we are Argentines!” as an excuse for not contributing......).

    There is no concept of the social contract. Every time someone cheats the system they are stealing from the Argentine people. That attitude should be the nation's enemy. Argentines are very proud people; proud to be Argentine and proud of their country. I like that. So why do they cheat their country and cheat their fellow citizens?

    Distrubution of wealth is a huge problem in SoAm. I don't happen to think there is one economic model that fits all countries. Chile is an example of being welded to the idea of a free market economy, which has given the country economic stability (with some shakey times along the way) but not the 'trickle down' effect that the Chicago Boys predicted. Why? Because they did not factor in the class system in Chile that does not exist in the US.

    *Bats back for dicussion*

    Nov 15th, 2011 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    Elaine my friend you have a view of Peronism which is from the outside.bear in mind that the global Market is stacked in favor of certain countries that look after themselves first.for a country to progress on it's own terms does not always suit these exploitative countries and therefore they dont like it.as with Cuba they use economic terrorism to prevent a country self-determining its own development.that's why you describe Peronism the way you do.Peronism is an ideology based on self-determination and a fairer distribution of wealth through initially import substitution which you call isolation.you reveal a hostility toward Argentina which affects your ability to see things as they are.as for yankeyboy he keeps repeating what he has seen and exchange rates.it is indisputable that USA has the higher standard of living but it also has the highest debt,it provoked the cuurent global'crisis,and was the country which passed the Monroe doctrine but still lead the aggression against one of it's neighbours.what did Cuba do other than replace a corrupt dictator and replace it with a regime that the neighbour didn't like because it wanted to leave the capitalist orbit dominated by the yanks who have intervened in many countries many times to install regimes favourable to their agenda.Argentina is a proud nation and will remain so.

    Nov 15th, 2011 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I have absolutely no hostility towards Argentina. : ) You asked me a question and I gave you an opinion. That's all.

    I completely agree with you that one model of economics or government does not fit all countries. We all know how some countries endeavour to meddle in the government of others and South America has had more than its' fair share of meddling from outside. I know quite a bit about Cuba - I spent some time there - we should discuss it at length some time.

    But you asked me about Argentina. How can Argentina be a fairer society when it is a me, me, me society? People are looking to nick a peso where they can and do not subscribe to the idea of a social contract. If people were genuinely commited to paying into society, and not lining their own pockets, there would be more wealth for social services and a fairer distribution of wealth. After 70 years that hasn't happened yet under the Peronist model.

    You complain that the global market is weighted towards certain countries. True. They are the countries that play the system. You can play the system or be outside of it but you can't beat it with ideals.

    The choice in Argentina seems to be whether you want a capitalist or state capitalist society. It is your choice.

    Just sayin' : )

    Nov 15th, 2011 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    The question I asked was did you think a fairer distribution of wealth
    was possible and I believe Peronism is the only ideology to gain a position to a achieve it.it hasnt made sufficient distribution as yet and might not ever do so.however if you contrast it with the types of regimes that have arisen in south America with the assistance of that ' wonderful'!!! Country in the north,Peronism has to take that into account.the fact that people appear to be selfish is encouraged in a capitalist society,monetarism was/is all about that.the individual and the entrepreneur but isn't that fine for people with money,what are the unemployed and landless to do,take handouts when given and watch their children grow up in a society that refuses to provide the opportunities for an independent life and does not provide basic welfare when capitalism needs to readjust.it would be interesting to discuss Cuba but I think to discuss why a small nation is bullied by a neighbour and insists,by threats and trade sanctions,that other countries line up with it.without that you would only being give reasons why you think capitalism is superior to socialism.I think that would not get us anywhere as we wouldn't agree and we are not Cuban either.

    Nov 15th, 2011 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Ok, we can leave Cuba aside but I think you would have been surprised at my thoughts. I am far more socialist than you care to believe but i think our definitions of socialism might be different.

    How do you think Peronism will redistribute wealth? Or, more importantly, increase the income and opportunities of the poorest? It hasn't in the last 70 years.

    Have you considered that in order for the Peronists to stay in power, they actually need a poor and disgruntled voting base. It is not in their interest for people to become financially independent of the state. Sure, the government can give out a few gifts and improve circumstances just a little, but not so much. You only have to look at Venezuela to see that.

    Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    Peronism,Elaine,is a broad grouping.it is not true that there hasn't been an improvement in living standards,but of course how much is down to Peronism is to be debated I suppose.the point about Peronism is similar to the labor party in the UK and most of western Europe for that matter.in Argentina historically centre to left politics generally get replaced by extreme right politics.the same throughout south America.Peronism is the only creditable alternative at present but there are indications that the recent election has upset the yanks,which will impact on what Peronism aspires to achieve.I wonder what other parties did wrong,Elaine,was it to make to many people rich and therefore not dependant on them as peronism made them poor.you don't mean that,do you?

    Nov 16th, 2011 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Yul, I think the UK Labour Party would be truely aghast at the idea that they have ANYTHING in common with the Peronist regime.

    Nov 16th, 2011 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    You would think after 70 years of utter failure and moving from one of the richest countries in the world to one of the poorest you would understand that Peronism has failed and you should try something else.

    Nov 16th, 2011 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    **33 ...........**46

    Peronism is ( was) neither Social nor Economic Model .

    Nov 16th, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    Geoff I'm sure the UK labour party would be aghast but so would the Christian democrats,as none of them exist in like for like conditions.as a clarification,I refer to them as situated between the party of capitalist exploitation(conservative not Whig) and the party of the working class.I know this opens up another topic but it was in that respect I was comparing.however the labour party does have a broad'church of member who vary from left to right as does Peronism.and just for yank how well have the UK labour party done with a country in decline for 70 years.I will repeat that it is curious how the USA is spreading it's wings and threatening to apply sanctions against Argentina at a time when it want other countries not to restrict trade.

    Nov 16th, 2011 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    47 yankeeboy/Fred from DC

    There is poverty in Argentina and there is poverty in USA, just visit your cities from east to west or north to south, homeless/beggars everywhere, long lines of people trying to cash botles/cardboard and beer cans. You can also only visit the New Mexico reservations, like many others, and see how the American natives live in the “pueblos”.
    If Argentina is so bad what are you doing there selling ladies purses?

    Elaine, What are you doing about the youth unemployment in UK? the worst in 25 years.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8893296/Youth-unemployment-breaks-1m-barrier-for-first-time-since-1986.html

    Nov 16th, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    some mates read Mercopress not The Telegraph here !!

    Nov 16th, 2011 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    CFK has told the new Argentine Ambassador to the US, Jorge Argüello, to improve bilateral ties “to their best possible levels.”

    This is URGENT and it is imperative.

    Re-build bridges ASAP!

    The US votes against granting loans to Argentina through the World Bank and Inter American Development Bank.
    The IMF won't play ball and pump money into a drowning Argentina.
    Dollars and world currencies flee Argentina.
    This is a terminal condition.

    CFK is truely between a rock and a hard place!

    Mend fences fast, Jorge Arguello, your country needs any diplomatic skills you may possess, now like never before.

    Nov 16th, 2011 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    Stadyyyy there Geoffrey you will need a napkin soon if you get any more excited

    Nov 17th, 2011 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    If you put mending fences and improving relations together with a reminder to keep agreement when told to,you should get an idea of what is really happening.it used to be called colonialism but those days are gone now it's called do what we say when we say and we will be friends or..... Else.not to worry so the USA is in a mess again and exploitation needs to increase or capital won't increase sufficiently.

    Nov 17th, 2011 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Argentinians are always so quick to blame others for their failed policies. It is childish and embarrassing. Your countrymen/president act/speak like a spoiled teenager. You all need to grow up if you want to be considered a “serious country” (K advertising slogan from few years ago).

    Nov 17th, 2011 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    Judge yankeeboy,thank you for your judgement.now what about what you think is going on and what will be the outcome.Will argentinians grow up or will you remain frustrated that you are losing it and have problems like every state.

    Nov 17th, 2011 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    O'G #53
    Yes, I am a bit anxious. Time is of the essence, and I don't think the new Ambassador can swing it in time. Hope I'm wrong.

    Nov 17th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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