Britain's chief of armed forces David Richards denied that the recent announcement of the deployment of Prince William to the Falklands Islands was a “provocative act” towards Argentina. Read full article
i just don't understand why these search and rescue operations are not carried out solely by Argentina? Anyone in danger in these waters is but 500 km away from a country with the largest amount of permanent bases in the Antartica and with plenty of experience in the field and perfectly equipped to handle all sorts of problems.
A country that has to send military personnel and equipment 8000 km across the globe for search and rescue exercises shipping a high profile figure at that of course its nothing short of provocative.
why wasn't he shipped to japan during the tsunami? or to any other distant place where he might actually be rescuing people instead of waving at penguins from his helicopter.
Trousers - if your boat just sank where would you like the Search and rescue Team to be - 500 km away, or 50 km away?
Besides, we don't trust your lot not to c*ck it up!
All this 'playing it down' smacks of a wimpish approach at the FCO. Sod em! They're our Islands, and we'll send who we like. Argentina should be told plain, rather than pussy-footing around. Argentina takes everything as a 'provocation' so it hardly matters.
I see the oil shares are up-again. Beef'll never be able to get the smile off his face. :-)
The Argentine dose have a lot of experience in getting people out of helicopters over the sea,
but not so much getting them into helicopters from the sea,
most ships captains from all over the world would rather have a British Air Sea rescue team come to there Aid than any other, this also go's for Argentine ships captains to,
also the British ASRT will go to the Aid of any ship no-mater what Flag it is flying.
Trousers- Why doesn't Argentina provide SAR in the Falklands? Possibly because it doesn't have the equipment to do the job?
Apart from 7 Bell 212 machines,
1 Troneas
Why don't you do yourself a favour and keep quiet. You're making yourself look like an idiot.
The Search and Rescue teams do incredibly valuable work in the Falkland Islands, including evacuation from road traffic accidents and other medical evacuations from the West and the islands. This is on top of their main role, supporting the Typhoons, and other S&R operations at sea.
I might also add that FIG pays when the SAR helicopter is called out to civilian emergencies.
Well anyway, whilst I'm sure Argentina would pull out all the stops to rescue a downed Typhoon pilot, your help is not required, as this is not your territory.
Shortly before the 30th anniversary the Falklands War...
He could have been sent anywhere else... but no... It had to be in Malvinas, precisely close to a meaningful date. Not provocative?
Why doesn`t the Queen come to have some tea at the Rokhopper Oil Platform?
Provocative? What is this provoking, exactly? Outrage from Argentina? Well no change there then. You act outraged if Falkland Islanders make a cup of tea without asking you, so you shouldn't be surprised if no-one pays any attention.
Prince Edward paid an official visit for the 25th aniversary celebrations, and I don't remember that being especially provocative.
Being 'provoked' is your choice. You can either do it or not, but don't expect us to be interested either way.
I wish the Queen would visit. I've met most of the other members of the royal family.
We send our servicemen and women wherever we wont and until the jackboot of Argentina sits in our Parliament they can go F*** themselves. who cares ifs its a provocative act I certainly don't. The more provocative the better until Argentina begins to behave its self. until then they can go and stuff themselves knowing that they cant do anything about it. Argentina is nothing in the world never has been and never will be.
That'll be rough for the families of the Argentine troops who are buried in the Falklands. It'll mean that they have to go to Chile to catch the flight.
Either that or somehow get to Ascension or (soon enough) Saint Helena.
I don't see how a SAR pilot is in any way provocative. It's not like he's flying an attack helicopter...It's a search and rescue team..
Troneas: Quite simply because it's out territory and we prefer if our citizens had British trained people looking after them as our SAR pilots are trained to the highest standard.
Billy,
Bye Bye Lan would equal Bye Bye ALL Argentine passport holders entering the Islands. Rest assured, if Arg provoked us by stopping the Lan overflight or other type of blackmail/bribe to Lan to stop - our response would be very very simple- OK lets go back to 1999 and no agrentine allowed onto the Islands unless he/she has dual nationality and uses another nationality passport. No problems to us.
So no Arg tourists allowed ashore of cruise vessels, no next of kin families visiting the cemetery(other than expensive difficult Int Red Cross Charter flight), no veterans visiting to get peace of mind.
Islander, I think that if there are no negotiations over Malvinas soon Lan cancellation is a fact, the only question is when. These provocatives acts made by your colonials masters only make things worst.
My guess is that this will be the last summer (for now and until we resume negotiations) for kelpers to enjoy Lan flights.
1 Troneas
I agree with completely. We must not be naive, it's really a challenge when there is a sovereignty dispute. He mocks the UN resolutions when called explicitly to reduce tension in the area. UK needs to create a war like Libya or Iraq to justify its budget crisis clearly makes arms when its economy.
@11 You clearly know Argentina recognizes Malvinas as a national territory illigaly occupied by a Foreign Power... that´s what explains the Foreign Affairs. Don´t be a fool.
@ 13 I don´t think that´s something to go an celebrate about... as if we wanted to cause harm... If necessay, it won´t be a meassure happily decided by Argentina.
@18 We know its a search and resque team... the problem is not a matter of what, but of where and when.
Its a pitty the two countries can sit and resolve this for once and for all, as the international community is requesting. The answer to this is simply the UK can get her own way.
Shadow Defence Secretary Jim Murphy said: ‘It is for the UK and UK only to decide which Forces to send overseas, when and where.’
Tory MP Patrick Mercer, added: ‘For the life of me, I cannot understand why this is provocative. It is certainly not as provocative as invading the Falkland Islands in 1982.
And fellow Tory MP Rory Stewart, who has also served in the army, said the comments were ‘unwise and deeply misguided’.
He added: ‘There cannot be provocative action on British soil.
you have been warned,
we have constantly stated, that if you keep pushing and pushing
Argentina may well get, what it least expected, and will suffer the consequences’ for decades to come,it may well prove better to except the status quo than be sent running back to the gutter with white flags between their legs, and the world laughing [Again]
Justa thought .
Its a pity the two countries can sit and resolve this for once and for all
Britain & the Falklands did sit down with you but yet again Argentina had another change in government & the treaty was torn up. Now CFK's government insists that the outcome of any negotiations must result in full sovereignty handed over to Argentina or in other words Argentina is not willing to negotiate anything. No government in the world will enter into negotiations when the other side has put the precondition that their can be no negotiations.
read this in the telegraph ,
any thruth does anyone know .
[• Argentina’s renewed and invigorated interest in the Falklands are largely to do with the fairly recent discovery that the territory holds large untapped oil reserves. Obama’s interest in supporting Argentina’s claim throu the OAS is a result of the pressure he is under from his main campaign sponsors… the US oil industry. Hmmm no connection then!
just a thought .
23 Islas Malvinas
Sitting down with you would not resolve anything. How do you think the conversation would go? What sort of solution do you think would be acceptable to both sides?
So, if the UK representatives sat at the table with Argentine representatives to listen to the Falkland Island representatives tell them they want to remain self -governing and British, that would be the end to it?
@24: It´s clearly provocative. And it means: We do what we want to and we do it ´cos we can. You go cry to the UN. We´re stronger, have a better army and are a permanent member of the Security Council. You are poor, underdeveloped and weak. And it´s very realistic explanation.
There cannot be provocative action on British soil. Certainly not on non-disputed british soil. But in Malvinas, clearly it is.
@25: You know they never sat to negotiate what´s in question: the sovereignty dispute. Don´t lie. All other negotiations were meant to treat anything esle but not sovereignty, and were under the famous british umbrella.
@27: Why not? I don´t know what, but I´m sure there must be something we can come up with.
end the illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina all pirats should be executed and throuwn into the ocean and any spyes working for them should be stirped of any material property and executed on the spot as nato does in Libya.
You have been warned
we have constantly said, that if you keep pushing and pushing
Argentina could have, what we least expected it, and suffer the consequences ”in the coming decades, which may be better, except the status quo to be sent to the broker in the gutter with white flags between his legs, and laughed in the world [new]
just thinking
Pathetic and disgraceful comments. Do not worry, we're not afraid of threats against Britain. Are we attacked with atomic bombs to reclaim what is ours? Are we threatened with genocide and terrorism as the one carried out in Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq? Are they afraid of world public opinion? Argentina already had four English invasion and (1806-1807-1833 - Forced Return of 20/11/1845. Argentina has always always go forward. Over time, the world public opinion and South America Argentina regain sovereignty in the Malvinas Islands . Remember this always: the struggle undertaken by our country and have started kirchner is similar to the civil rights struggle led by Luther King in the U.S. or Perez Esquivel (Nobel Peace prize) in their struggle for human rights against the military dictatorship and the demands of dialogue in the Falklands conflict. there are no roads to peace, peace is the way.
@29 Your country has the right to challenge the sovereignty of the Falklands via the UN(ICJ). Its not our fault that your goverment refuses to do so. Every other goverment in the world knows this is how you resolve territorial disputes. As for future negotiations then past evidence shows that Argentina would not honor any agreements made as it hasn't honored any in the past. Your government has earned a worldwide reputation for not honoring the contracts signed with investors why else do you think foreign investment is fleeing Argentina.
Tory MP Rory Stewart, who has also served in the army, said the comments were ‘unwise and deeply misguided. There cannot be provocative action on British soil'.
Sorry guys, but this IS provocative talk. Unwise and Deeply Misguided are powerfully war-mongering, terms if you are spoiling for an excuse. And it seems Argentina would like that excuse.
'There cannot be provocative action on British soil'.
Again, misguided provocation.
Putting the young prince there to save lives, is the equivalent of putting atomic weapons into Cuba.
This young man has the ability to kill millions with his bare hands. He could devastate the whole of Argentina, given half a chance. You must understand that Argentina cannot allow this weapon of Mass Destruction to be deployed anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere.
The G77 South South Alliance will, I have no doubt, vote that this should be the case.
Keep him caged, for the whole world's sake, for once released, this Terminator cannot be stopped!!!!!
@30 Well I really don´t know why they don´t go to the ICJ. I´ve read its not convenient for either party ´cos the court has decided differently in previous similar cases and they cannot be certain of what the result would be. I read its the only left alternative there is... I don´t know. I need to investigate further to have an opinion on it.
@31 What? We´re trying to have a serious conversation! Please!
@35 You seem uncertain because Argentina might not win? They really will not win by spreading lies (like the Falkland Islanders are held under British military rule), they cannot win by talking to the Falkland Islanders because they absolutely do not want to become part of Argentina and the UK government will support the wishes of the FIs.
Please read up on the only option left which is to use the legal route. But I think you may find the reason your government does not take this action is that they know they cannot win. I mean, even if it was 50/50 it would be worth an attempt. Heck, even if they had a 10% chance it would be worth it because they have no chance any other way.
But why not contact you government and ask them? They have a duty to respond to your question.
@ 31 and 32. A puzzle for you. What word can you form by using all of the letters in the Spanish word ARGENTINO? My Chilean Spanish teacher showed me this with great joy and enthusiasm some years ago. Unlike him and his family, friends and colleagues, I don't think this applies to all Argentines. I know some very decent people from Argentina and, most likely, the vast majority of the servicemen involved in the great away loss of 1982 were nothing more than decent citizens doing what they were told. As for you two though, this certainly applies.
I am talking serious aren't pirats executed in UK, illegal occupyers get deported or jailed in Palestine ??? they do it in EU and USA to mexicans and gypsis, ho I forgtot I was talking to ignorant indians who still trade espejitos por oro. The illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina should end and we will work around the world to end it ASAP, it's time we start taking back with pride what is legitimate ours, all british should GTFO of Argentina or face civil punishment, if brits theft land we should take everything made by them for free.
1 Troneas
why wasn't he shipped to japan during the tsunami? or to any other distant place where he might actually be rescuing people instead of waving at penguins from his helicopter
The answer is simple, is cheaper for the British to keep this Royal Parasite
in Malvinas rather than UK. In UK he just had a expensive wedding and now starting a unbelievable re-decoration of his chosen palace he wants to live in. Meanwhile, back in the UK people are losing their National Health Serv., pensioners are looking forward to freezing to death over this winter, the unemployed keep loosing their homes and benefits, etc. but the Royals are going in vacation to Argentina.
Well, Marcos, Prat-Junta and the rest really have got themselves into another lather.
I just cannot say how funny it is to read these rediculous comments, especially when they think they can rescue anything from 400 kms with their antiquated helicopters. Their govt spends USD600M per year on providing football coverage for the poor people (source - Argentina), they spend almost nothing on the armed services.
Keep dreaming lads.
UK people are losing their National Health Serv., pensioners are looking forward to freezing to death over this winter, the unemployed keep loosing their homes and benefits, etc
Stop talking out of your arse Marcos
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Is there a point to any of the comments from Argentina?
A routine deployment of a SAR pilot, routine, nothing more. He shouldn't have any special priveliges to avoid a tour of duty.
As to Argentina being upset. Argentina makes a noise about everything and nothing, even demanding it is responsible for venereal disease in the Falklands at an International Symposium on Sexually Transmitted Diseases. Why would anyone take notice of professional whingers. Talk about crying wolf too often.
WOW what a response, the truth hurts does it, you spend months/years threatening and abusing the islands and Britain,
And one little response and all you derelict Argies go into overdrive,
Wow [again] powerful words,
Scared response, ,,,,,, zippiest or what.
34 GeoffWard2 ,, but will they listen and take the hint,
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32 Raul
Pathetic and disgraceful comments. Do not worry, we're not afraid of threats against Britain. Are we attacked with atomic bombs to reclaim what is ours
RAUL im very upset that you are very up set, [lolol]
Your wording fails you, nuclear bombs are you attacked, WELL you are still alive, so another lie,,,
Were not afraid of threats against Britain,, pot kettle black, silly boy, ,tut tut
29 Islas Malvinas
@24: It´s clearly provocative. And it means: you should not cast the first stone,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,allow pot calling kettle answering lol
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Just one last thought.
You can shout from the rooftops and cry plastics, but you wont get the Falklands ever,,,,,
Especially when you use threats against the little guy, then cry foul,
And acting like school children, you have more chance of invading the USA then getting the Falklands,
Poor kids lol.
#29 - Idle marvin - you don't know your own histiry !
1967 – In March, the British Government states formally to Argentina that they are prepared to cede sovereignty over the Islands under certain conditions, provided that the wishes of the Islanders are respected. A ‘Memorandum of Understanding’ is prepared.
Billy, work out who will be most damaged by Arg stopping Lan? I have already described the Arg losses to you.
Approx 2000 plus Chilean citizens who have family living in the Islands(and sending them money home) will find it very difficult and expensive to visit their friends and family here in the Islands. And those living here will find it very difficult to return hgome.
I think Chile will really love you all!!
The Islands? - we have alternative flights to Europe direct for mail,passengers,cargo etc.some imports will be a bit more expensive - thats about all.
Already we are discussing an airlink direct to Miami next year as wellSo yes Ok a Lan ban would inconvenience us a bit, but we have alternatives and can soon adjust, so we would not be really bothered.
As I said before , your choice Argentina - and live with the consequences.
Regarding the LAN issue. I think it has been told several times, that Argentina is not able to stop the flights to the Islands, but they can stop the stop-by @ Rio Gallegos in Argentina (only).
LAN can fly over international territory to reach the Islands... that shouldn't be a prob.
#50 briton. Absolutely! This is NOT the Argentina I was born in, a long three score and eleven years ago. That was a country where justice, order, hard currency, honesty and respect were an everyday issue to improve. Then came colonel P and all went to the dogs since.
50 briton. Absolutely! This is NOT the Argentina I was born in, a long three score and eleven years ago. That was a country where justice, order, hard currency, honesty and respect were an everyday issue to improve. Then came colonel P and all went to the dogs since.
Really? and what Did you do to remedy the situation?Is not Peron dead,in 1974????
54 Malvinero1
Very distasteful to your fellow comrade, who happens to be correct?
Your glorious plastic corporation is destroying a once great country, and if you think you are correct, so be it, but everybody else may not agree with you,
But ones thing for certain, without, you and some of your fellow bloggers, and your stalking leader, Argentina, today would be an even better and proud place to live, instead of your indoctrination methods . ??
Yes, Isolde,
I have checked out 1900 and the level of development in Buenos Aires was equal to that in any great European or US city, but this did not extend much beyond the railheads of the (British-built) railway system.
It is salutory to read just how much the economic heights reached by Argentina at the start of the last century were created by England and by France; this was NOT home-grown prosperity.
Is this why there is so much antipathy towards Europe - the fact that we made them what they were at the height of their development over 100 years ago, and that since they took their destiny into their own hands it has been steadily down hill all the way?
Those years of rapid, and essentially benign, economic development show what could be achieved, even now, with 'vision' and a willingness to be part of the world community.
even now, with 'vision' and a willingness to be part of the world community.... what you mean is without Peronistas in power and that stupid sense of social equality while I am making myself rich and the hell with the rest? :-))
Malvinero1,
Would be great if Argentina could go back in time to the year 1900.
Highest standard of living in the world.
Really?/ Who told you that? churchill? Because the middle class was very small....
Would be nice to go back to 1900 when uk ruled the waves and was an empire????
Get real....The past is gone!
The royal clown vacation in Argentina is not intended to be a “provocative act” is more to cover up the harsh reality in Britain. The cold harsh reality is that Britain is going broke.
Britain is on the brink of a second credit crunch, the Bank of England warned as it slashed its growth forecasts for the economy and raised the prospect of a double-dip recession
This is of no concern to us. Argentina should not object to the deployment of military of other nations within their own territory. This is typical of our right wing nationalists, who would like to see more wars and more deaths and believe our country has a right to rule over other people and their countries. This is the past and sadly our country is still living in the past.
Some would gladly turn back clock to 1982 but fact is it would only need winding back the minute hand as the hour hand hasn't moved since, we are stuck like a stuck record on las malvinas!
Benito. This is the first Argentinian post that:
is not abusive in any way;
is level headed and considerate;
offers a realistic insight into the rabid nationalists.
All countries have their problems and only by attempting to understand each other will progress be made. Thank you.
Malvinero #61 says Get real....The past is gone!
One has to agree with him;
1833, 1982, all are gone, all are pages in history books - and though winners write history, history comes in many versions at different times.
It frequently needs an intervening generation before we can see through the dark glass clearly to the history behind our particular mirror (1 Corinthians 13:12).
So both Napoleon and Hitler got it, in some large measure, wrong:
History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. Bonaparte;
bastardised by Hitler as History is written by the victors.
Thus the only thing that matters in the future for the Falkland Islands is the reality of the now.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesi just don't understand why these search and rescue operations are not carried out solely by Argentina? Anyone in danger in these waters is but 500 km away from a country with the largest amount of permanent bases in the Antartica and with plenty of experience in the field and perfectly equipped to handle all sorts of problems.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0A country that has to send military personnel and equipment 8000 km across the globe for search and rescue exercises shipping a high profile figure at that of course its nothing short of provocative.
why wasn't he shipped to japan during the tsunami? or to any other distant place where he might actually be rescuing people instead of waving at penguins from his helicopter.
I honestly do not know why you are so worried about a British serviceman doing his job on TFI. Neither has anything to do with Argentina.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine government has a well-developed victim mentality laced with amnesia.
Trousers - if your boat just sank where would you like the Search and rescue Team to be - 500 km away, or 50 km away?
Nov 14th, 2011 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Besides, we don't trust your lot not to c*ck it up!
All this 'playing it down' smacks of a wimpish approach at the FCO. Sod em! They're our Islands, and we'll send who we like. Argentina should be told plain, rather than pussy-footing around. Argentina takes everything as a 'provocation' so it hardly matters.
I see the oil shares are up-again. Beef'll never be able to get the smile off his face. :-)
The Argentine dose have a lot of experience in getting people out of helicopters over the sea,
Nov 14th, 2011 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0but not so much getting them into helicopters from the sea,
most ships captains from all over the world would rather have a British Air Sea rescue team come to there Aid than any other, this also go's for Argentine ships captains to,
also the British ASRT will go to the Aid of any ship no-mater what Flag it is flying.
Trousers- Why doesn't Argentina provide SAR in the Falklands? Possibly because it doesn't have the equipment to do the job?
Nov 14th, 2011 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apart from 7 Bell 212 machines,
1 Troneas
Nov 14th, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you do yourself a favour and keep quiet. You're making yourself look like an idiot.
The Search and Rescue teams do incredibly valuable work in the Falkland Islands, including evacuation from road traffic accidents and other medical evacuations from the West and the islands. This is on top of their main role, supporting the Typhoons, and other S&R operations at sea.
I might also add that FIG pays when the SAR helicopter is called out to civilian emergencies.
Well anyway, whilst I'm sure Argentina would pull out all the stops to rescue a downed Typhoon pilot, your help is not required, as this is not your territory.
i just don't understand why these search and rescue operations are not carried out solely by Argentina
Nov 14th, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe because the two Argie escorting destroyers left Belgrano crew to their fate
Shortly before the 30th anniversary the Falklands War...
Nov 14th, 2011 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0He could have been sent anywhere else... but no... It had to be in Malvinas, precisely close to a meaningful date. Not provocative?
Why doesn`t the Queen come to have some tea at the Rokhopper Oil Platform?
A storm in a teacup. Argentina getting as much mileage as possible.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 08 Islas Malvinas
Nov 14th, 2011 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Provocative? What is this provoking, exactly? Outrage from Argentina? Well no change there then. You act outraged if Falkland Islanders make a cup of tea without asking you, so you shouldn't be surprised if no-one pays any attention.
Prince Edward paid an official visit for the 25th aniversary celebrations, and I don't remember that being especially provocative.
Being 'provoked' is your choice. You can either do it or not, but don't expect us to be interested either way.
I wish the Queen would visit. I've met most of the other members of the royal family.
Argentina head of the Malvinas Desk at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Sebastian Brugo Marco
Nov 14th, 2011 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentina has a Malvinas Desk in the ministry of Foreign affairs.
There it is. Argentina recognises the Falkland Islands as foreign and therefore not part of its territory.
Hurrah !
Nov 14th, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100116363/britain-must-tell-argentina-to-mind-its-own-business-over-prince-william%E2%80%99s-deployment-to-the-falklands/
Bye bye Lan sooner than later.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any evidence Billy?
Nov 14th, 2011 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bye Bye Lan?
Nov 14th, 2011 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bye Bye argentinian aircraft entering Chilean airspace and overflying Isla Navarino when departing Ushuaia..
Bye Bye Ushuaia tourism.....
We send our servicemen and women wherever we wont and until the jackboot of Argentina sits in our Parliament they can go F*** themselves. who cares ifs its a provocative act I certainly don't. The more provocative the better until Argentina begins to behave its self. until then they can go and stuff themselves knowing that they cant do anything about it. Argentina is nothing in the world never has been and never will be.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13
Nov 14th, 2011 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That'll be rough for the families of the Argentine troops who are buried in the Falklands. It'll mean that they have to go to Chile to catch the flight.
Either that or somehow get to Ascension or (soon enough) Saint Helena.
I don't see how a SAR pilot is in any way provocative. It's not like he's flying an attack helicopter...It's a search and rescue team..
Nov 14th, 2011 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troneas: Quite simply because it's out territory and we prefer if our citizens had British trained people looking after them as our SAR pilots are trained to the highest standard.
Billy,
Nov 14th, 2011 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bye Bye Lan would equal Bye Bye ALL Argentine passport holders entering the Islands. Rest assured, if Arg provoked us by stopping the Lan overflight or other type of blackmail/bribe to Lan to stop - our response would be very very simple- OK lets go back to 1999 and no agrentine allowed onto the Islands unless he/she has dual nationality and uses another nationality passport. No problems to us.
So no Arg tourists allowed ashore of cruise vessels, no next of kin families visiting the cemetery(other than expensive difficult Int Red Cross Charter flight), no veterans visiting to get peace of mind.
Your Choice.
Islander, I think that if there are no negotiations over Malvinas soon Lan cancellation is a fact, the only question is when. These provocatives acts made by your colonials masters only make things worst.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My guess is that this will be the last summer (for now and until we resume negotiations) for kelpers to enjoy Lan flights.
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Nov 14th, 2011 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with completely. We must not be naive, it's really a challenge when there is a sovereignty dispute. He mocks the UN resolutions when called explicitly to reduce tension in the area. UK needs to create a war like Libya or Iraq to justify its budget crisis clearly makes arms when its economy.
Another laughable story about our friends in Argentina.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They never seem to be able to gauge how daft they sound.
A trident submarine off of Buenos Aires is provocative. A search and rescue pilot is not.
@11 You clearly know Argentina recognizes Malvinas as a national territory illigaly occupied by a Foreign Power... that´s what explains the Foreign Affairs. Don´t be a fool.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 13 I don´t think that´s something to go an celebrate about... as if we wanted to cause harm... If necessay, it won´t be a meassure happily decided by Argentina.
@18 We know its a search and resque team... the problem is not a matter of what, but of where and when.
Its a pitty the two countries can sit and resolve this for once and for all, as the international community is requesting. The answer to this is simply the UK can get her own way.
British political response to argentines [provocative actions ]
Nov 14th, 2011 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The comments provoked fury at Westminster, with one MP calling them ‘deeply misguided’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2060332/Argentina-accuses-Britain-acting-aggressively-posting-Prince-William-Falklands.html#ixzz1dhPbQy2a
British politicians warned Argentina to stop meddling in British affairs
Shadow Defence Secretary Jim Murphy said: ‘It is for the UK and UK only to decide which Forces to send overseas, when and where.’
Tory MP Patrick Mercer, added: ‘For the life of me, I cannot understand why this is provocative. It is certainly not as provocative as invading the Falkland Islands in 1982.
And fellow Tory MP Rory Stewart, who has also served in the army, said the comments were ‘unwise and deeply misguided’.
He added: ‘There cannot be provocative action on British soil.
you have been warned,
we have constantly stated, that if you keep pushing and pushing
Argentina may well get, what it least expected, and will suffer the consequences’ for decades to come,it may well prove better to except the status quo than be sent running back to the gutter with white flags between their legs, and the world laughing [Again]
Justa thought .
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Its a pity the two countries can sit and resolve this for once and for all
Nov 14th, 2011 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain & the Falklands did sit down with you but yet again Argentina had another change in government & the treaty was torn up. Now CFK's government insists that the outcome of any negotiations must result in full sovereignty handed over to Argentina or in other words Argentina is not willing to negotiate anything. No government in the world will enter into negotiations when the other side has put the precondition that their can be no negotiations.
read this in the telegraph ,
Nov 14th, 2011 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0any thruth does anyone know .
[• Argentina’s renewed and invigorated interest in the Falklands are largely to do with the fairly recent discovery that the territory holds large untapped oil reserves. Obama’s interest in supporting Argentina’s claim throu the OAS is a result of the pressure he is under from his main campaign sponsors… the US oil industry. Hmmm no connection then!
just a thought .
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Nov 14th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sitting down with you would not resolve anything. How do you think the conversation would go? What sort of solution do you think would be acceptable to both sides?
So, if the UK representatives sat at the table with Argentine representatives to listen to the Falkland Island representatives tell them they want to remain self -governing and British, that would be the end to it?
Nov 14th, 2011 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24: It´s clearly provocative. And it means: We do what we want to and we do it ´cos we can. You go cry to the UN. We´re stronger, have a better army and are a permanent member of the Security Council. You are poor, underdeveloped and weak. And it´s very realistic explanation.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There cannot be provocative action on British soil. Certainly not on non-disputed british soil. But in Malvinas, clearly it is.
@25: You know they never sat to negotiate what´s in question: the sovereignty dispute. Don´t lie. All other negotiations were meant to treat anything esle but not sovereignty, and were under the famous british umbrella.
@27: Why not? I don´t know what, but I´m sure there must be something we can come up with.
@28: No, that won´t be the end of anything no.
So what is the point? The Argentine government has only one option, to go to the ICJ. Why do you think they will not do that?
Nov 14th, 2011 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0end the illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina all pirats should be executed and throuwn into the ocean and any spyes working for them should be stirped of any material property and executed on the spot as nato does in Libya.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 024 Briton:
Nov 14th, 2011 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have been warned
we have constantly said, that if you keep pushing and pushing
Argentina could have, what we least expected it, and suffer the consequences ”in the coming decades, which may be better, except the status quo to be sent to the broker in the gutter with white flags between his legs, and laughed in the world [new]
just thinking
Pathetic and disgraceful comments. Do not worry, we're not afraid of threats against Britain. Are we attacked with atomic bombs to reclaim what is ours? Are we threatened with genocide and terrorism as the one carried out in Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq? Are they afraid of world public opinion? Argentina already had four English invasion and (1806-1807-1833 - Forced Return of 20/11/1845. Argentina has always always go forward. Over time, the world public opinion and South America Argentina regain sovereignty in the Malvinas Islands . Remember this always: the struggle undertaken by our country and have started kirchner is similar to the civil rights struggle led by Luther King in the U.S. or Perez Esquivel (Nobel Peace prize) in their struggle for human rights against the military dictatorship and the demands of dialogue in the Falklands conflict. there are no roads to peace, peace is the way.
@29 Your country has the right to challenge the sovereignty of the Falklands via the UN(ICJ). Its not our fault that your goverment refuses to do so. Every other goverment in the world knows this is how you resolve territorial disputes. As for future negotiations then past evidence shows that Argentina would not honor any agreements made as it hasn't honored any in the past. Your government has earned a worldwide reputation for not honoring the contracts signed with investors why else do you think foreign investment is fleeing Argentina.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0 Tory MP Rory Stewart, who has also served in the army, said the comments were ‘unwise and deeply misguided. There cannot be provocative action on British soil'.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry guys, but this IS provocative talk. Unwise and Deeply Misguided are powerfully war-mongering, terms if you are spoiling for an excuse. And it seems Argentina would like that excuse.
'There cannot be provocative action on British soil'.
Again, misguided provocation.
Putting the young prince there to save lives, is the equivalent of putting atomic weapons into Cuba.
This young man has the ability to kill millions with his bare hands. He could devastate the whole of Argentina, given half a chance. You must understand that Argentina cannot allow this weapon of Mass Destruction to be deployed anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere.
The G77 South South Alliance will, I have no doubt, vote that this should be the case.
Keep him caged, for the whole world's sake, for once released, this Terminator cannot be stopped!!!!!
@30 Well I really don´t know why they don´t go to the ICJ. I´ve read its not convenient for either party ´cos the court has decided differently in previous similar cases and they cannot be certain of what the result would be. I read its the only left alternative there is... I don´t know. I need to investigate further to have an opinion on it.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31 What? We´re trying to have a serious conversation! Please!
@32 Kirchner Luther King? Let´s focus. :)
@34 LOL
Nov 14th, 2011 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 You seem uncertain because Argentina might not win? They really will not win by spreading lies (like the Falkland Islanders are held under British military rule), they cannot win by talking to the Falkland Islanders because they absolutely do not want to become part of Argentina and the UK government will support the wishes of the FIs.
Please read up on the only option left which is to use the legal route. But I think you may find the reason your government does not take this action is that they know they cannot win. I mean, even if it was 50/50 it would be worth an attempt. Heck, even if they had a 10% chance it would be worth it because they have no chance any other way.
But why not contact you government and ask them? They have a duty to respond to your question.
@ 31 and 32. A puzzle for you. What word can you form by using all of the letters in the Spanish word ARGENTINO? My Chilean Spanish teacher showed me this with great joy and enthusiasm some years ago. Unlike him and his family, friends and colleagues, I don't think this applies to all Argentines. I know some very decent people from Argentina and, most likely, the vast majority of the servicemen involved in the great away loss of 1982 were nothing more than decent citizens doing what they were told. As for you two though, this certainly applies.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The answer? IGNORANTE
I am talking serious aren't pirats executed in UK, illegal occupyers get deported or jailed in Palestine ??? they do it in EU and USA to mexicans and gypsis, ho I forgtot I was talking to ignorant indians who still trade espejitos por oro. The illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina should end and we will work around the world to end it ASAP, it's time we start taking back with pride what is legitimate ours, all british should GTFO of Argentina or face civil punishment, if brits theft land we should take everything made by them for free.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 Troneas
Nov 14th, 2011 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why wasn't he shipped to japan during the tsunami? or to any other distant place where he might actually be rescuing people instead of waving at penguins from his helicopter
The answer is simple, is cheaper for the British to keep this Royal Parasite
in Malvinas rather than UK. In UK he just had a expensive wedding and now starting a unbelievable re-decoration of his chosen palace he wants to live in. Meanwhile, back in the UK people are losing their National Health Serv., pensioners are looking forward to freezing to death over this winter, the unemployed keep loosing their homes and benefits, etc. but the Royals are going in vacation to Argentina.
Well, Marcos, Prat-Junta and the rest really have got themselves into another lather.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just cannot say how funny it is to read these rediculous comments, especially when they think they can rescue anything from 400 kms with their antiquated helicopters. Their govt spends USD600M per year on providing football coverage for the poor people (source - Argentina), they spend almost nothing on the armed services.
Keep dreaming lads.
@ 36 I´ll learn more about it.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 37 Thank you for the very decent people part. Hope I´m one of those :)
UK people are losing their National Health Serv., pensioners are looking forward to freezing to death over this winter, the unemployed keep loosing their homes and benefits, etc
Nov 14th, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop talking out of your arse Marcos
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Is there a point to any of the comments from Argentina?
Nov 14th, 2011 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A routine deployment of a SAR pilot, routine, nothing more. He shouldn't have any special priveliges to avoid a tour of duty.
As to Argentina being upset. Argentina makes a noise about everything and nothing, even demanding it is responsible for venereal disease in the Falklands at an International Symposium on Sexually Transmitted Diseases. Why would anyone take notice of professional whingers. Talk about crying wolf too often.
WOW what a response, the truth hurts does it, you spend months/years threatening and abusing the islands and Britain,
Nov 14th, 2011 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And one little response and all you derelict Argies go into overdrive,
Wow [again] powerful words,
Scared response, ,,,,,, zippiest or what.
34 GeoffWard2 ,, but will they listen and take the hint,
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32 Raul
Pathetic and disgraceful comments. Do not worry, we're not afraid of threats against Britain. Are we attacked with atomic bombs to reclaim what is ours
RAUL im very upset that you are very up set, [lolol]
Your wording fails you, nuclear bombs are you attacked, WELL you are still alive, so another lie,,,
Were not afraid of threats against Britain,, pot kettle black, silly boy, ,tut tut
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@24: It´s clearly provocative. And it means: you should not cast the first stone,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,allow pot calling kettle answering lol
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Just one last thought.
You can shout from the rooftops and cry plastics, but you wont get the Falklands ever,,,,,
Especially when you use threats against the little guy, then cry foul,
And acting like school children, you have more chance of invading the USA then getting the Falklands,
Poor kids lol.
#29 - Idle marvin - you don't know your own histiry !
Nov 14th, 2011 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 01967 – In March, the British Government states formally to Argentina that they are prepared to cede sovereignty over the Islands under certain conditions, provided that the wishes of the Islanders are respected. A ‘Memorandum of Understanding’ is prepared.
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1966-1981/
We talked already - you wouldn't accept the direction of those talks.
Rolly - nor you apparently - Argentina did not exist in 1806/07
Nothing Argentina can do - except learn a little history maybe :-)
Billy, work out who will be most damaged by Arg stopping Lan? I have already described the Arg losses to you.
Nov 15th, 2011 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Approx 2000 plus Chilean citizens who have family living in the Islands(and sending them money home) will find it very difficult and expensive to visit their friends and family here in the Islands. And those living here will find it very difficult to return hgome.
I think Chile will really love you all!!
The Islands? - we have alternative flights to Europe direct for mail,passengers,cargo etc.some imports will be a bit more expensive - thats about all.
Already we are discussing an airlink direct to Miami next year as wellSo yes Ok a Lan ban would inconvenience us a bit, but we have alternatives and can soon adjust, so we would not be really bothered.
As I said before , your choice Argentina - and live with the consequences.
An air link to Miami ? Now wouldn't that be fun :-)
Nov 15th, 2011 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0link to Miami? too many of my countrymen there. I thought you were trying to stay away from us Red :-))
Nov 15th, 2011 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding the LAN issue. I think it has been told several times, that Argentina is not able to stop the flights to the Islands, but they can stop the stop-by @ Rio Gallegos in Argentina (only).
Nov 15th, 2011 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LAN can fly over international territory to reach the Islands... that shouldn't be a prob.
put it this way,
Nov 15th, 2011 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the less argentina does, the more others will do,
and the argies will end up with nothing .
#50 briton. Absolutely! This is NOT the Argentina I was born in, a long three score and eleven years ago. That was a country where justice, order, hard currency, honesty and respect were an everyday issue to improve. Then came colonel P and all went to the dogs since.
Nov 15th, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51
Nov 15th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then came colonel P and all went to the dogs since...... True that !!
Argie,
Nov 15th, 2011 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I respect your years and your perspective.
Not far behind!
50 briton. Absolutely! This is NOT the Argentina I was born in, a long three score and eleven years ago. That was a country where justice, order, hard currency, honesty and respect were an everyday issue to improve. Then came colonel P and all went to the dogs since.
Nov 15th, 2011 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? and what Did you do to remedy the situation?Is not Peron dead,in 1974????
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Nov 15th, 2011 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very distasteful to your fellow comrade, who happens to be correct?
Your glorious plastic corporation is destroying a once great country, and if you think you are correct, so be it, but everybody else may not agree with you,
But ones thing for certain, without, you and some of your fellow bloggers, and your stalking leader, Argentina, today would be an even better and proud place to live, instead of your indoctrination methods . ??
Malvinero1,
Nov 16th, 2011 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would be great if Argentina could go back in time to the year 1900.
Highest standard of living in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Argentina.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Isolde,
I have checked out 1900 and the level of development in Buenos Aires was equal to that in any great European or US city, but this did not extend much beyond the railheads of the (British-built) railway system.
It is salutory to read just how much the economic heights reached by Argentina at the start of the last century were created by England and by France; this was NOT home-grown prosperity.
Is this why there is so much antipathy towards Europe - the fact that we made them what they were at the height of their development over 100 years ago, and that since they took their destiny into their own hands it has been steadily down hill all the way?
Those years of rapid, and essentially benign, economic development show what could be achieved, even now, with 'vision' and a willingness to be part of the world community.
At the time it was debatable if the US or Argentina would be the new world economic power. We know how that turned out.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0even now, with 'vision' and a willingness to be part of the world community.... what you mean is without Peronistas in power and that stupid sense of social equality while I am making myself rich and the hell with the rest? :-))
Nov 16th, 2011 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has a great noose around its neck called President Cristina Fernandez
Nov 16th, 2011 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And in the following 5 years, it will get heavier and heavier,
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@59 LOL. I probably would not word it like that. : )
Nov 16th, 2011 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinero1,
Nov 17th, 2011 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would be great if Argentina could go back in time to the year 1900.
Highest standard of living in the world.
Really?/ Who told you that? churchill? Because the middle class was very small....
Would be nice to go back to 1900 when uk ruled the waves and was an empire????
Get real....The past is gone!
The royal clown vacation in Argentina is not intended to be a “provocative act” is more to cover up the harsh reality in Britain. The cold harsh reality is that Britain is going broke.
Nov 17th, 2011 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is on the brink of a second credit crunch, the Bank of England warned as it slashed its growth forecasts for the economy and raised the prospect of a double-dip recession
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8895337/Sir-Mervyn-King-Britain-on-the-brink-of-second-credit-crunch-Bank-of-England-Governor-warns.html
the children utter to gether .
Nov 17th, 2011 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0go to bed little children
This is of no concern to us. Argentina should not object to the deployment of military of other nations within their own territory. This is typical of our right wing nationalists, who would like to see more wars and more deaths and believe our country has a right to rule over other people and their countries. This is the past and sadly our country is still living in the past.
Nov 20th, 2011 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some would gladly turn back clock to 1982 but fact is it would only need winding back the minute hand as the hour hand hasn't moved since, we are stuck like a stuck record on las malvinas!
Benito. This is the first Argentinian post that:
Nov 20th, 2011 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is not abusive in any way;
is level headed and considerate;
offers a realistic insight into the rabid nationalists.
All countries have their problems and only by attempting to understand each other will progress be made. Thank you.
Malvinero #61 says Get real....The past is gone!
Nov 20th, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One has to agree with him;
1833, 1982, all are gone, all are pages in history books - and though winners write history, history comes in many versions at different times.
It frequently needs an intervening generation before we can see through the dark glass clearly to the history behind our particular mirror (1 Corinthians 13:12).
So both Napoleon and Hitler got it, in some large measure, wrong:
History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. Bonaparte;
bastardised by Hitler as History is written by the victors.
Thus the only thing that matters in the future for the Falkland Islands is the reality of the now.
Benito, once again, speaks for many of us.
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