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Under Chavez sponsorship Latam nomenclature adds a new regional grouping
Showing off new energy after cancer treatment, Venezuela's President Hugo Chávez hosted Latin American leaders on Friday to create a new regional body that pointedly excludes the United States and Canada. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesthe “” regional grouping “” ?? what for ??
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0it is very hard to decide up some “” complex global economic movings “”
by all together .......cultural decisions ?? ..they could be !!
Unasur, parlasur = dead, dufunct, deceased.
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can, Mercosur = inoperable, dead, defunct, deceased.
CELAC, Celac
Vb. trans. = 'to garrot like a dead parrot'
= to water down the influence of the American powerhouse economies
= to minimise the influence of, and bleed, Brasil,
= to exclude the US and Canada, and
= to make the minnows of the southern continent and islands 'feel good'.
” How to arrive to decisions?
The prevailing opinion was consensus,
but, in the absence of unanimity,
a qualified majority (four fifths) could be instrumented”.
. . . . Brasil will be 'over the moon' that she can be over-ruled and have her budgets tapped at will to be deployed across Central & South America and the Carribean.
= A permanent Lowest Common Denominator of development.
GET REAL !
l take it, Geoff, that Brazil won't be supporting this new“power-bloc”?
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask Geoff to be your source of information?
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geoff's “analyses” are informed by nothing but his personal prejudices. That's why he's contradicted by les nouvelles with such painful frequency. Geoff has a pro-West bias; he has a low opinion of Latin Americans. Hence he doesn't want Celac to take off.
Of course it is in the interest of Brazil that Celac be born and succeed. Brazil's foreign policy strategy for the last 8 years has aimed precisely what Celac will be enabling - a Latin America bloc free of external influences. It is in fact only natural that Brazil works to exclude the US, since in the abscence of that country the role of natural leadership falls into Brazil's hands.
A mind with more credibility than mine or Geoff's has said so c:
“I believe that the interest of Brazil's foreign policy is to strengthen South American autonomy in order that the region may play a role within a multi-polar world.”
https://nacla.org/news/2008/3/13/interview-immanuel-wallerstein-inevitable-decline-american-empire
#4 Forgetit87
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why quote something from a failure (less than US$3,000 in subscriptions) and an article from 2007 that does nothing but talk about Bush.
The reason the USA military ‘faltered’ in Iraq was because the Americans ‘back home’ didn’t like to see the results of their military in graphic details on the TV while they were getting drunk on Budweiser.
Until a credible replacement in currency terms emerges from any of the ‘new economies’ to challenge the Greenback the Author is pissing into the wind.
And I am not a good fan of the USA, BUT I am a realist.
“It is in fact only natural that Brazil works to exclude the US, since in the abscence of that country the role of natural leadership falls into Brazil's hands.”
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is exactly what they, Brazil, wants and it's already happening in front of our eyes. Even in DC they are aware of it where you hear and read more and more from left and right think tanks to get closer to Brazil. how the world is changing.
It will probably be an organization like the others in Lat/Am - a lot of “talk” and no “do”.
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Why quote something from a failure (less than US$3,000 in subscriptions) and an article from 2007 that does nothing but talk about Bush.”
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The number of subscription says nothing as to the quality of a publication. And anyway, I wasn't quoting the magazine, but instead a recognized scholar, Immanuel Wallerstein, who has shown great foreknowledge as to the events of this transition era. That the interview dates back to 2007 only supports my stance - that the promotion of a Latin American bloc has been Brazil's strategy for quite a while. And we're not discussing Iraq on here.
Word of warning:
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blocs can over-reach themselves; they become too disparate with too many different agendas and to few checks and balances to keep the 'outliers' in line.
My mind turns to the European Union and the Euro
(for the life of me, I don't know why).
If Brasil can't work harmoniously with its floundering Mercosur neighbour and the two sprats in between, how likely is it that it will work to best effect with the mix of national agendas that are now comprise CELAC?
I have five cats and one door;
trying to get them all in/out, flea-washed, fed & watered is like managing Mercosur.
. . . . . If I suddenly acquired 20 cats . . . . . democratic debate with cats? No, I think I would have to get a dictatorial dog, like CELAC.
I like that - Celac, the collie dog, herding the occupants of the cat-house.
Oh, the next few years are not going to be pretty, not least
the unpicking of everybody's external bilateralities and
the pressing demands to move monies from the richer countries to the poorer.
The scale is . . . . . unmanageable.
I think Celac is supposed to create the mechanisms with which regional disputes are supposed to be dealt with. If there already were venues to promote integration, there would be no need for Celac, would there?
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's funny, and it says volumes about your ideological prejudices, the fact that you pronounce Celac stillborn, and Unasur dead, when in fact it is the OAS whose credibility has been increasingly under attack by member states - and not only by the maligned Bolivarian regimes. In such a context, how's OAS supposed to be the only credible tool to promote stability? how can you say it is the only viable forum to address regional questions? The latest big regional controversy - the Venezuela vs. Colombia brawl in mid 2010 - was solved by Unasur; not by the OAS, and definitely not by the US (who was in fact interested in promoting instability). The same goes to the previous big regional issue, the Bolivian separatist movement, which was apparently enabled by the US embassador to that country. As for the OAS, I can't remember the last time it has proven to be qually useful. In fact, it looks increasingly superficial. That's why many governments are feeling ever more confortable in breaking up with it.
Ah who cares anyway.
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Dec 04th, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, who gives a rat's arse.
Dec 04th, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Geoff, you explain things better than touchy forgets-his-name anyway.
But l don't think your Collie dog(as much as l like them!)could control 20 cats!
Cats are very independent creatures, you know.
TWIMC
Dec 04th, 2011 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0The final CELAC declaration backed Argentina's “legitimate rights” and urged Britain to resume negotiations.
“The Argentine government has shown a permanently constructive attitude and willingness to reach, via negotiations, a peaceful and definitive solution to this anachronistic, colonial situation on American soil.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/03/latam-summit-idUSN1E7B204I20111203
Yet another nail in Great Britains diplomatic coffin on the south Atlantic.
It has to be said Brasils move on to the World.stage has so far been spectacularly helpful to Argentina.Brasilias idea is keep our big neighbour happy as well keep Hugo quiet hosting multinational events while Mexico remains.an.irreleavance wrapped up in a drugwar.It must be stomach churning in Washington to see even its dominace challenged in the Americas by a clever upstart
Dec 04th, 2011 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look at the demonstration of mediocrity and parochialism on comment #13. Apparently it's not enough to proceed from real premises and make a description of a state's probable intentions. A good explanation is one instead that pleases her and confirms her worldview. Very intellectual of her. Bet there are dishes in her kitchen that miss her more than these boards would, though.
Dec 04th, 2011 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0(16) Forgetit87
Dec 04th, 2011 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have surely ruined Mr. Isolde's Sunday.........................
I'll bet the poor guy is now running all over the house after that catwoman, trying to control her feminine tantrum and stopping her from posting her various University Degrees in Dish-Washing, Sweater-Knitting, Kitten-Feeding, Ship Engineering and International Politics on the internet, just to prove you wrong………………
That man must have a highly developed sense of humor (and a Christian saint’s patience:-)
No, Isolde, you fail to get my irony.
Dec 04th, 2011 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no cats in the Latin American cat-house.
Just things we call . . . politicians.
All Latin American and Caribbean countries (yes, Commonwealth and former UK colonies in rhe Caribbean) have officially supported Argentina's “legitimate rights” othev the Malvinas, South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands! EXCELLENT job Argentina, once again!!! You might say this is not important, but it certainly is, much more than you even realise!
Dec 04th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In other news, all the countries which are actually relevant on the world stage are excluded :)
Dec 04th, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They're too busy piling up more debt and putting police to teargas poor citizens.
Dec 04th, 2011 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Dec 04th, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Students
Military Police in Vitoria, Brazil Firing Tear Gas at Student Protesters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrGnxTI13tc
Supporting you,
Dec 04th, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And backing you up, are two completely different things,
When you wake up from your fantasy, perhaps you may understand, that their is only ONE country in this and its Argentina, all alone,
No one will back you up, if you cant see that, then by all means walk the plank.
just a thought .
#18, re. #9,
Dec 04th, 2011 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isolde,
fyi, a cat-house is a brothel, and its occupants are whores.
Not much work for the collie dogs, but a lot for a Presidenta.
@24 Geoff,
Dec 05th, 2011 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0l did know that a cathouse is a brothel, but as you said l did miss your irony.
l see your understudy(or is he Think's understudy), mr forget-me-not is trying to provoke me like Think did with his definition of “women's work & women's place in society etc etc” Try again ladyboy.
@17Think,
My other half is very happy & contented, Think
So happy that l can do nearly anything & can have nearly anything that l want.
@ 23. Briton, sorry but ours is not a “fantasy” and this is besides the view of all of our region, including former UK colonies in the Caribbean. This must be a difficult one to justify but their SUPPORT is more than BACKING our position as they support our “legitimate” rights in the “sovereingty” dispute, among many other significant elements. Excellent job Argentina. You may insist on our region being many things, but your country (UK, of course) is not a good example to the world. Not only because of your past; your present days are even worse. Look into the mirror!
Dec 05th, 2011 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(25) Of course he is Cher Isolde...., of course he is…..
Dec 05th, 2011 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your'e hard working…
You still got all your teeth...
What more could a man wish for..?
“mr forget-me-not is trying to provoke me”
Dec 05th, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just as you provoked me after I, for change, tried to be helpful to you by explaining that Geoff was wrong and that Brazil is indeed interested in Celac's success. Unfortunately you can't accept that someone tries to engage you in honesty, and instead try to reduce everything to catty and unnecessary swipes.
but your country (UK, of course) is a good example to the world.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And still is,
If you bring the past, then you bring over 50,000 years or murder atrocity rape pillage barbaric treatment , slaughter massacre, and include possibly all nations of the world,
Why not forget the past,
A line in the dirt, and start afresh, that’s the best and mature and civilised way to go, [is it not]
So let’s start with this,
The Falkland people wish to be rules by the British, [that’s ok]
The British people wish to live in peace, [that’s ok]
Argentina ????????? you can fill that bit in .
Just a historical thought.
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