MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
The 33-nation CELAC grants full support to Argentina in the Falklands’ dispute
The members of the newly former CELAC (Community of Latinamerican and Caribbean States) unanimously approved on Saturday a document in support of Argentina’s claim over the Falklands/Malvinas and anticipated they would request the intervention of UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“However the two statements don’t seem to be strictly aligned to the spirit of Article 23 from the CELAC declaration” why not? You're being isolated or isolde-lated, that's all. smile.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, the democracy of democracies ....... then again !
Dec 05th, 2011 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yep- smiling as usual! Like all the others of it,s nature a mere mutual backlsapping to help Arg feel happy and a meaningless declaration by folks who have probably already forgotten it - FI/UK answer to any approach is very simple- please explain what is meant by a “peacefull” solution when Arg repeatedly states that there is only one solution - full transfer to them regardless of what the population of the Islands may wish - and their wishes and rights (as determined by the UN Charter) are irrelevant to Argentina!
Dec 05th, 2011 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0End result will be the usual total ZERO - nope- not bothered!
The day Arg starts producing statements saying“we wish to sit down and talk with the UK and Islands representatives about the future with an Open Agenda and NO prestated result” - only THEN we will have something to worry about!!
3 Islander1
Dec 05th, 2011 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please!!Stop with that stupid speech that repeats all the time .. The Gordito of cameron say of what the population of the Islands may wish - and their wishes and rights, ha,ha, It is the ending that stupid, we all know that our islands has a population implanted by the brits and they only wants to take non-recoverable natural resources of our islands, fear enough, mates! right now bring the little prince!! ha, ha
@3 lslander,
Dec 05th, 2011 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0When they say“peacefull”-they mean that they hope that we will just give up without a fight.
Fat chance.
What makes me laugh at their pathetic show of support is, first they are demanding the UK enter negotations over the sovereignty of the falkalnds islands, south georgia islands and south sandwitch island (love to know on what ground argentina believe the georgia and sandwitch islands belong to them, surely not the contenital shalf argument lol). Only to then, in their declearation, they acknowledge respect for self determination.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now which way is it, as you can not pick and choose when to respect self determination, as it applies to all regardless of who claims the land that is subject to dispute.
As for going to Bank KI-Moon at the UN, well there is this little thing called the UN charter which is the core in which the UN was founded on and ratified by all members, that clearly states that all people have the right to self determination, which would mean there is sod all the UN or Bank Ki Moon can do. I suppose the best thing the UK can do right now is to ask the falklanders to hold a referendum on whether they which to remain british, become argentine or become an independant nation. Hell even if the choose independance they would likely be a defence treaty in place where the UK can station troops there to defend the independant state of the Falklands, south georgia and sout sandwitch islands, from agressive military actions latin american states. So the status que won't change but the political position of argentina and their claim will be weakened significantly along with any chance they think they have of getting sovereingty as the islanders will have spoken.
How many “regional groupings” are there in South America? Just “talking shops” for Argentina so it can claim it has “support”. And it is going to approach Ban Ki-Moon? Like that has any effect! I understand Mr Ki-Moon has a big wastebasket labelled “Argentine crap”!
Dec 05th, 2011 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like argentina may need to watch who they pick as friends, no doubt the US is annoyed by this bit of news - http://tinyurl.com/cagvre2
Dec 05th, 2011 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you Caribbean Commonwealth and former UK colonies for your support, this is very important. If we were so isolated and this support was so insignificant, why all this fuss? This IS important and those who do understand are really concerned. GREAT job Argentina, once again. This is important, be aware
Dec 05th, 2011 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 06 Teaboy2 (#) Dec 05th, 2011 - 09:58 am
Dec 05th, 2011 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”What makes me laugh at their pathetic show of support is, first they are demanding the UK enter negotations over the sovereignty of the falkalnds islands, south georgia islands and south sandwitch island (love to know on what ground argentina believe the georgia and sandwich islands belong to them, surely not the contenital shalf argument lol)”.
-I have researched this and I cannot find a good reason why Argentina claims South Georgia and the Sandwich Islands. Can anyone expalin?
Argentina claims South Georgia on the basis that a Norwegian, who later took British citizenship, registered an office for his fishing company in Buenos Aires and built a whaling factory in South Georgia under a license issued for the Falkland Islands Dependencies. That and the British administered South Georgia from Stanley since 1843.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
Dec 05th, 2011 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 Would those be the same former UK Colonies and commonwealth countries that gave strong support for the falklands islanders right to self determination, something the CELAC also acknowledged respect for self determination? Oh i think it is the same countries - http://en.mercopress.com/2011/11/15/strong-support-in-caribbean-countries-for-falklands-right-to-self-determination
Dec 05th, 2011 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So it makes CELAC annoucement worthless, and clearly shows that not all CELAC nations will have been in support and only a majority were, though given the majority are Latin American and Cuba, then thats not surprise really.
Like i said you can not pick and choose as to when you respect self determination, you either respect it 100% in all cases or you don't respect it at all. And clearly Celac is acting in contradiction to its own acknowlegment of respecting self determination.
@13 The Self determination principle is respected 100% in all cases it can be applied to.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwisarg4- If you had ever visited the Falkland Islands you would know how stupid your statement sounds.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not only Cameron who supports British sovereignty- it is British policy through successive governments of any colour.
At least half the population of the Falklands is native going back as far as nine generations, which is more than most Argentinians can claim for their country. The other half are a diverse mixture of Brits, Chileans and others who have moved their of their own free will - not part of some dastardly masterplan to colonise the islands with a particular race.
It is worrying (British understatement!) that several Argy posters here seem to promote a sort of ethnic cleansing - Brits out, change lingua franca to Spanish, drive on the right, etc. Do they honestly think that this is a way to go about getting world support for their case?
With CFK cosying up to lose cannons like Chavez and Ahmedinajad, she is appearing more crazy by the day (comparisons with a certain Austrian or Libyan come to mind).
If I were Argentinian, I would want to distance myself from these ill-informed and irrational ravings, irrespective of my opinions about the Islands which, by the way, will ALWAYS be British unless the locals decide otherwise.
@13 Teaboy2: that is exactly the big problem YOU have in believing in Mercopress. Biased press, biased reasoning. Heads of State and Government statement certainlybgo much beyond Mercopress articles. These biased articles do not constitute international law either! Excellent job Argentina once again
Dec 05th, 2011 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 “These biased articles do not constitute international law either! Excellent job Argentina once again” - No but the UN Charter does, and its clear all people have the right to self determination. Its easy to blame such things on the press and accuse them of biased, but it is a matter of fact and not something made up in regards to the former colonies and commonwealth countries supporting the falkland islanders right to self determination.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 I think you will find the right to self determination applies to all people regardless of any sovereingty disputes, as its the people that live on the land being disputed that have the final say as to who governs them and no other state has the right to make that decision for them. So it is not a question of if it applies as it will and does apply 100% in all cases whether the sovereingty is disputed or not. Plus Argenina nor yourself or any other country has the power to say that no it does not apply, only the ICJ can do that and we all know Argentina refuse to goto the ICJ because they know they will lose.
How do the south Sandwich and South Orkney's fit in? From What I have studied so far Argentina does not have a very good Claim to these. Can anyone clarify?
Dec 05th, 2011 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 - I believe they are claiming them as part of their claim under the continental shelf arguement and their sovereingty claim for the area of antartica, which actually collides with british antartic territory also claimed by chile. Though Britian was first in 1908 and argentina in 1942 with chile putting in their claim in 1940.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A map here on Wiki shows the Territories claimed by each state claiming sovereingty over antartic territories. You will see how argentinas claim terrotory is smack back in the middle and takes up a huge majority of British Antartic territory. It would seem Argentina are hell bent on claiming anything that belongs to britian in the south atlantic. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Antarctic_Region.png
So how argentina or chile for that matter can claim antartic territory that is part of the british antartic territory a good 35 years after britian claim it is beyond me.
@ Teaboy
Dec 05th, 2011 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Resolution 1514 establishes two fundamental principles that should guide the process of decolonization: the self-determination and territorial integrity.
Any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter. This restriction on the principle of self implies that it gives way to respect the territorial integrity of States.
Malvinas were occupied by the United Kingdom by force in 1833, expelling the established population there and not allowing their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.
Admiting the self-determination principle of the present inhabitants, of British citizenship, would allow group of people of one colonial power decide the fate of a territory which is claimed by a State to which that power stripped by an act force for almost two hundred years.
The principle of self determination cannot be applied, as its exercise by the Islanders would cause the “breach of national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina.
Lets hope the residents of Gilbert House writes to each and every one of the 33 countries and puts them right on the ACTUAL facts .
Dec 05th, 2011 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's rights over the South Georgias (San Pedro) and South Sandwich Islands, are based on: 1. the succession rights from Spain and the subsequent occupation from 1820 to 1829 by Argentina, unanswered by any country of the world and until 1833, when the
Dec 05th, 2011 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0intervention of England occurs, and 2. On the theory of continuity,
by which the Malvinas, South Georgia (San Pedro) and Sandwich
South, are part of the geological unit of the Republic.
199 countries in the world, and 198 support argentinas rights to everything british,
Dec 05th, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[Argentinas leaders awaiting for a reply.
Britain replies,
UP YOURS .
“Special Communiqué Project on the Malvinas Islands, states that the members of CELAC support “Argentina’s legitimate rights in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas, Georgia del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands, as well as its surrounding maritime spaces”
Dec 05th, 2011 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope is clear enough for London and their illegal colony in Argentina.
You are not welcome in South America anymore.
For the purposes of Resolution 1514(XV) and UN Charter 73 Territorial integrity is applied to the Administering Country and the Non-Self-Governing Territory; in the case of the Falkland Islands the Administering Country is Great Britain
Dec 05th, 2011 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The argument that Argentina has under General Assembly resolution 1514(XV) rights does not follow; Argentina claims rights under resolution 1514(XV) but has none because it a third party with a dispute
Spain had no territorial claim of South Georgia or the South Sandwich Islands; thus Argentina gained no lawful rights from Spain, but did invent bogus claims which Argentina refuses to be subject to the evidential standards required by the UN International Court of Justice, which is the proper court for Argentina to take its claim against Great Britain. However, Argentina fears high standards of evidence and avoids the ICJ.
Resolution 2065(XX) invited the Argentine Republic and Great Britain to settle Argentina's dispute over sovereignty by negotiation. Negotiation of sovereignty is only a separate Argentine demand
Argentina settled all differences with Great Britain in 1850 when the Argentine Congress ratified the Convention of Settlement
Argentina is obligated in international law to obey the UN Security Council and the UN Charter but it does not and instead represses the Falkland Islanders development by use of systematic political and economic persecution against them with its supporters
Shame on Argentina
I was made welcome in Buenos Aires.....I am from London.....Perhaps Snr Alejandro it is just that you can only make the bold statements through websites......
Dec 05th, 2011 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those Argentine numpties that think they have such effective support may wish to track the journey of this vessel for the next two months.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?mmsi=308243000¢erx=-47.24927¢ery=56.16461&zoom=10&type_color=8
Let us see how much difficulty this vessel comes across as is passes by Argentina's so called South American “supporters”.
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/152/88/IMG/NR015288.pdf?OpenElement
Dec 05th, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if any of the Argentines have actually bothered to read 1514?
Article 2. All peoples of the right to self-determination.
Article 7. Is a sub-ordinate clause. It is intended to stop colonial powers breaking up a territory, it doesn't exist to deny the right to self-determination if a 3rd party decides to invent a sovereignty claim. Its there to protect the rights of the people of non-self-governing territories not deny them.
Or is basic written comprehension not part of the curriculum?
Justin, UN links like that do not work. You have to post the source page and say which link it is on the page. Or, alternatively, find another link such as this one
Dec 05th, 2011 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_1514
UNGA resolutions, as well as being non-binding, are also non retroactive
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_1514
@20&22 lslas-something or other,
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Summed up in two words, Utter Crap.
You delude yourself. Be thankful for what you have & stop trying to steal what doesn't belong to you.
@22 & 24 Be warned! Keepit up and we are going to have to kill you. Right at the moment we are concentrating on wrecking Europe. And doing quite well, thank you. “Europe” may be the start of the third British Empire. Once we've got that sorted out, we'll be sending some German untermenschen and Spanish peons to stamp on you.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31 Haha you guys are funny!
Dec 06th, 2011 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It may seem that the only way this will end is in bloodshed
Dec 06th, 2011 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The safety valve is blowing , and Argentina is sitting on top.
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AN AIDE MEMOIRE
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NO. 1 United Nations Security Council Resolution No. 502, adopted on 3 April 1982, demanded an immediate cessation of hostilities and a complete withdrawal by all Argentine forces from the Falkland Islands. Thus, the United Nations Organisation highest body IMPLICITLY RECOGNISED UK SOVEREIGNTY over the Falkland Islands.
No. 2 United Nations General Assembly Resolution No. 2065 of 16 December 1965, like all GA resolutions, it is not mandatory. Therefore, it is just a blah, blah
“chiffon de papier.”
Honi soit qui mal y pense,
Philippe
Council Resolution No. 502, adopted on 3 April 1982, demanded an immediate cessation of hostilities
Dec 06th, 2011 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After nearly 30 odd years, you would have thought she would have stopped hostilities by now,
Perhaps someone would like to refresh their memories.
Perhaps she has forgotten.
Just a Dementing thought .
#34 You'll find that Argentines are very fond of old Resolutions, particularly the dead ones! They collect them apparently :-)
Dec 07th, 2011 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Contradiction anyone?
Dec 08th, 2011 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The 33-nation CELAC for the next twelve months under Chilean President Piñera also condemned the US embargo on Cuba and demanded an end to this ‘coercion’ measure.
“We demand an end to the economic, commercial and financial blockade” imposed on Havana since 1962 because it is contrary to International law and to abidance of successive UN General Assembly resolutions.
The blockade causes “huge and unjustified damages to the well being of the Cuban people and affects peace and neighbourly relations among American nations. The coercion and unilateral measures are applied because of “political motives”
Allegedly the blockade is intended “to prevent Cubans from exercising their right to decide their own will, their political, economic and social system”.'
The US is quite within its rights to impose an economic blockade on Cuba as they gained control over Cuba by right of conquest after the Spanish / American war......
Unless of course it was inherited from Spain by Argentina...........
should not then [CELAC]
Dec 08th, 2011 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0condem the embargo on the falklands by argentina,
or is as we thought,
Argentina is above the law,?
@38briton,
Dec 08th, 2011 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They think that they are!
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