MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
“Mercosur at its worst moment” and Argentina has clearly “a protectionist focus”
Uruguay’s Vice-president Danilo Astori blasted Argentina’s protectionist and foreign exchange policies because they damage Mercosur, which is currently living its “worst possible moment”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesworst moments ?? compared to ?? I think this Uruguayan politician should worry more about Uruguay's economy more then what Argentina does or stops doing, as I recall it was Argentina who wanted to close border's soo Uruguayan's wouldn't have to look at us ugly Argentine's, what's the problem now should we just close the border indefinately untill they find we are not such a bad neighbours. it does comes across as though Uruguayan politicians want to bully Argentina into relaxing their economic and trade policy as if Argentina didn't represent any civilians, you got to admit it, it makes a great sound byte in a political arena, but it's a lousy motor drive for cooperation and integration, maybe the real purpposse is to divide or mislead public opinion regarding failing fiscal policy. what ever the case didn't anyone tell mr, Asstori that the economic crisys is global ???
Dec 06th, 2011 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Uruguay, the ony democratic country in a continent of banana republics and tin pot dictatorships - can't be easy !
Dec 06th, 2011 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0the funny thing is the Uruguay's very existence depends on these banana republics, and islanders' very existence too, so be careful :)
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't depend on you, Xbox.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0We can get along quite nicely without you, in fact.
And we are careful, thats why you'll never get these islands.
Maybe a union between Uruguay and the Falklands ? Which would give them accessto the EU (if its still standing) and maybe some oil revenues??
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe ?
:-)
It pains me to observe and state this; but today's Argentina is becoming a menace to the entire region. One wonders how long it will be before the customary bellicosity regarding the Falklands and utter disdain for its neighbours will translate into more foolishness and the waste of more Argentinean lives. The attitude of the ever-obnoxious Xbox is, I think, illustrative of the nature and extent of the mindless arrogance that is gradually re-emerging within Argentina. Too bad. Thinks looks really favourable there for a while. But, as they say; the leopard doesn't change his spots.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0MP biased report tipical of uruguayan probritish pasquin.............nothing more to say
Dec 06th, 2011 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 funny you should say he should worry about Uruguay's economy more. Yet do we see Uruguay making drastic changes like those that Argentina have been making lately. No we do not.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have a saying here in britain “If its not broke, don't fix it” In economic terms it appears the argentina economic bubble is starting to leak and they are desperately trying to patch up the leaks to stop in from bursting completely, Hence why we are seeing the protectionist atitude and changes they have been making lately along with the devaluation of their currency in order to boost exports some insigtful information here that will give you a small insight into the real state of argentine currency and economy - http://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/fedpoint/fed38.html
#1 Pratt-Junta
Dec 06th, 2011 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your country seeks at every turn to disadvantage all the other countries in LATAM whilst at the same time turning a blind eye to all the capital flight of the CFK cronies to these countries.
Also the recent devaluation of the Arg Pesos AND the refusal of your govt. to honour it's own currency speaks volumes for the intrinsic instability of your monetary system.
6 El Supremo (#)
SPOT ON. I could not agree with you more.
What I find hilarious is all the chatter about Celac, Unusur etc and how LAC are being integrated and will eventually become a powerhouse, what a laugh! Just a quick look at how MercoSur integration, CAN etc don't work, haven't worked since inception and for some reason they think cobbling together under another name is somehow going to change everything? People on this board harping about how great SA could become do not know even their recent history. You can't have contract/agreements with corrupt/dishonorable countries/leaders and expect it to turn out well.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Celac / celiulite, same thing
Dec 06th, 2011 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the safety valve is blowing .
“It pains me to observe and state this; but today's Argentina is becoming a menace to the entire region. ”
Dec 06th, 2011 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mostly a menace to PA, UR, BR, CH, TFI.
Chavezism is the 'parent-menace' and CELAC may be its voice.
#12 - Yes, you are entirely right. TY for pointing that out.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am an Argentinian & I love my country, but I am so ASHAMED of this Kriminal dictatorship K that is in charge. They certainly don't represent all of us. Let's hope these inept kriminals get tyhrown out before they start another war. Britain is not our enemy, our worst enemy is our own Government.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is not our enemy; our worst enemy is our own Government
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And we agree wholeheartedly with you,
Britain is your friend, get rid of this plastic lady.
Hi Briton, Yes I totally agree, the British people are our friends. far more so than our own Korrupt K gov, at least you try to respect your own citizens...here it's the wild west. We the middle classes are being held to ransom, and we don't have an well educated middle class like we did in the past...now ignorance rules & this is what the Populist Ks thrives on...IGNORANCE. Kertina wants to drag us all back to the dark ages with her Pro Chavez 'model'..they are trying to distract the public while they fill their pockets. Just remember, A significant proportion of us in Argentina admire & respect you the British. Cross fingers, I pray this Gov will shoot itself in the foot & eat itself out of office before they do any more damage.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Riocardo explain how the Argentine government elected by 54% of the people when opposed bitterly by the biggest media group in Latin America is a dictatorship.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I say to you and the likes of you what you want is a coup against the peronists which of course was the only way the oligarchs ever got rid of DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED peronist governments.
You amigo and La Nacion and Clarin are the proven supporters of the dictators.
As for our Oriental friends.they cannot have it every way.If they want to be part of a trading group they cannot be Switzerland or Liechtenstein taking the “hot” money at the same time.
By all means Uruguay let Mercosur be more fair in trading terms but also cut out the money laundering that you have not only allowed but encouraged for decade after decade
You O Gara are a proponent of BIG GOVERNMENT Corruption. Unwittingly, the Populist feed on the very ignorance you are now displaying ....ONLY AN IGNORANT would need to ask why 54% voted this Mafia back in! I'll spell it out to you slowly...THIS K MAFIA SUBSIDIZED the underclass here...they BRIBED directly & indirectly all the gullible & the greedy. They paid subsidies to Casinos, corporations, companies, they subsidized transport, food, health...anything to get re-elected...once they got back into power they started to cut off subsidies overnight. They FOOLED THE LIKES OFF yOUR ILK & got away with murder. Their model is based on one fundamental tactic, Creating dependency on the Government - by robbing, taxing, & terrorizing the middle class... at any cost..once. I am a staunch NATIONALIST, not a fly by night K peronist. You my friend, get off the Green stuff & go get a real job.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 018 RicardoMardisich
Dec 06th, 2011 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you,
We only want peace, and what is ours, we have enough problems at home,
And in the wider world,
We can understand a man that is patriotic; we used to be good friends, till that dictator ruined it all,
Even today Cristina uses the Falklands as a distraction, and she is pushing the British to far,
She wants conflict so her allies can come to her rescue and possibly join in, a confrontation will suit her, she cares nothing for peace, or human rights of others, the Falklands are 300 miles of the coast,
Why does she want these tiny islands when she is at least 10 times bigger and wealthier?
Its just greed corruption and her hatred of Britain, but then again, it wont be her that fights, it’s the poor people that get dragged into it, you lot suffer the consequences and she can just slide of to another country with all her riches and wealth,
All the Falklands want, is to be left alone to rule herself, and to be friends with her neighbours,
But sadly Cristina Fernandez , just wants to destroy the lot, helped by her deluded bloggers,
Britain will always promote peace, right up to the point of no return,
If this blow up only the Argentinean government will carry the can,
Why destroy everything both of you have built up, for an deluded power hungry obsessed bit of plastic,
Just a peaceful thought .
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Argentina’s car production up 3.2 percent in November
Dec 07th, 2011 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.inautonews.com/argentinas-car-production-up-32-percent-in-november
UPDATE 2-Argentina trade surplus widens 30 pct in October
www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/22/argentina-economy-trade-idUSN1E7AL1HN20111122
Who pays for Europe's meat consumption?
www.publicserviceeurope.com/article/1110/who-pays-for-europes-meat-consumption
Argentina: The Assassins of the Landowners
www.upsidedownworld.org/main/news-briefs-archives-68/3337-the-assassins-of-the-landowners
if there was a real Argentine in here he could have casted his vote for CFK as well and we could have made fun of all of you loosers, I feel sad for those Argentines in here who can't even get a visa to go visit their queen in UK, if the british here loved Uruguayans so much why not accept them in the EU that way they won't have to apply for a visa, I think we have something really close to open borders with Uruguays, UK doesn't even let natives americans take part in international sports without a visa and they think they can pass judgements on others ? give me a break !.
Why the tribe who invented lacrosse can't play it here
A transatlantic visa row means this week's world championships in the UK may not feature one of the favourites.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/why-the-tribe-who-invented-lacrosse-cant-play-it-here-2025986.html
WELL SAID PIRAT HUNTER.Of course what Ricardito really said but hadnt the wherewithal.to espouse it was CFKs government is so.extraordinarily successful 54% of the people are happy to see her back in the Casa Rosada.Ricardito this is what succesful politics is all about satisfying the majority and letting extemists like yourself look in from the cold of RECOLETA pobrecito
Dec 07th, 2011 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good to find some Argentines that are NOT malvinistas.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's hope yet.
you can't please everyone all the time but you can please anyone at any given time, you just have to try, #22 “hope” is the opiate of religious fools, angels don't build nations, activists do.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0O'gara & Pirat....ciber K brigade Kids...like cowards you both insinuate that to disagree with your pay masters (the K mafia) is to be anti-Argentina. ...very 'spineless' of you.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile if it's not the Malvinas it's the Americans...or the 'Pirates'...This Gov is always looking to rouse fear of an external threat....but much to your dismay, there are many of us who still don't swallow your cheap propaganda.
A few months ago, the K government , in a clumsy attempt to distract the Argentine public from the embarrassment of having to pander to the IMF played one it's common tactics & tried to 'pinch the nationalist nerve' by starting a diplomatic row with the USA over a fictitious claim that there was undeclared contraband on a US military cargo plane. Embarrassingly, it was later proved to be totally false.
Argentina is isolating itself & regressing further & further away from the rest of South America thanks to the great abundance of extreme left wing komie wannabees like ogara & pirate.
Almost 2/3rds of Argentines eligible to vote did not vote for CFK. About 10m, mostly the poor and uneducated, did.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0People that voted CFK were mostly the ones living with some subsidy from the government, subsidy that we, workers, pay from our salary.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About Falklands we can differ about their story, what we can not ignore is that today the only ones to decide are the islanders. They have the right to self determination and every country worldwide must accept it, also Argentina.
Argentina is isolating itself and Mercosur is not working fine for other members, like Uruguay and Paraguay, because of Argentina. But, please, don't blame the argentine people for it, it's just queen botox and her dreams of being a dictator.
#25 ElaineB
Dec 07th, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, but that means the 2/3rds don't care about what happens or cannot think for themselves.
Why not vote for the opposition, if only as a protest, or are they scared some Peronista thugs will turn up on their doorstep?
It just seems so strange to me that they are the ones who will suffer most by the actions of CFK, yet nothing is done.
@23Pirat,
Dec 08th, 2011 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yet you want to tear our nation down.
You have no chance, fool.
23 Pirat-Hunter (
Dec 08th, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you can't please everyone all the time but you can brainwash and indoctrinate argentine citizens .
at any given time, you just have to try
Once again you prove your very own indoctrination lesson .
[just a controlled thought ]
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First of all, I can tell you that either RicardoMardisich and rob the argentine are not Argentinean. I can see it in the way you write.
Dec 09th, 2011 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Second to that. We can differ about the goverment. Personally, I'm not fan of CFK. The inflation thing specially makes me mad. Also the lack of obra publica(public works I think it is). But nevertheless, she knows how to do politics and attract people to vote her.
But something no real Argentinean says is that Malvinas are not Argentineans and we should move on. I'm all okay with British guys. I have quite some friends there, and I even went there on winter(ours). Regarding the Islands, some say we all should move on and focus on progress, others staunchly believe they should be British. Personally, I believe you take them from ours and expelled the Argentine inhabitants, and from there on all you said has a fake base. However, we DISCUSS and DEBATE it, not repeat like a parrot that they are ours.
Our country wants to discuss the whole matter of soverignty with the UK, something you reject on the basis that the Malvinenses should participate too as a third part, telling us they should, because they are the one that govern themselves.
So after telling you my points, one question remains to me. Why are the islands listed as a non-self governing territory? Either your argument that they govern themselves is fake or you are part of an organization(UN) which tells lies to the people, that if this was the case and you were right, its strange you are part of it.
#26 you are free to go anywhere you want, Argentina doesn't need you or holds anyone hostage, as a matter of fact if it wasn't for UK visa limitations you can go to that cold rock in the ocean whenever you please but I am affraid you are not white enought to even get a visa, poor fools those who think equal rights where created for them as well, you got a lot to learn from Mexicans in USA and gypsys in UK, and in regards to self determination why doesn't UK want the illegal aliens to come back home ?? or why do the illegal aliens refuse to get documents in Islas Malvinas Argentina ??? here is a tip for ya ! get of your a$$ and vote for a candidate of your choice and stop being an “ignorante villero”.
Dec 09th, 2011 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#28 don't be a fool, I can't take a coutry down but I can see when one will fall flat face on their own.
#29 you are mixing up doctrines with facts, I don't make up or push forth doctrines, I state facts and personal opinions, you can make of it what you want.
You cannot negotiate what you lost by means of a violent act,
Dec 09th, 2011 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You lost any, and all arguments the day you deliberately and maliciously invaded an unarmed and peaceful, little island , resulting in the direct deaths of hundreds of people,
So no, we do not have nothing to talk abt,
End of,
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@30 “Why are the islands listed as a non-self governing territory?” I think you will find they are a self governing territory, they govern themselves apart from foreign policy and defense. It is only the likes or argentina that prevents the name of the islands being removed from the list of non self governing territories.
Dec 09th, 2011 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If argentinas claims were valid and accurate, then why oh why do they still refuse to take their claim to the ICJ? That is the real question, not why they are still listed as non self governing, when in fact they are self governing.
And not one argie blogger, can or will tell you WHY they refuse to go to the ICJ, Exept for the known fact, that they will lose .
Dec 09th, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 briton,
Dec 09th, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l think they are hoping for a miracle.
They know that they have no hope otherwise.
They know they will lose in the ICJ.
They know that they are not strong enough to use military force again.
Maybe they look in vain for the Chinese fleet to sail over the horizon, to deliver them?
Who knows? Who cares? But we must never drop our guard again.
Agreed,
Dec 09th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One of our greatest heroes once said,
Typical, we wait for months and they never come,
But as soon as we play bowls they turn up ,
As you say, never ever trust them, as soon as our guard is down,
[Who knows] we don’t want to be caught for the 2nd time.
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@33 It's a pure weight matter. The UK have way more say at the international scene and already plays from an advantage. Yes, the UK is one of the members of the security council, which regarding to many developing countries, is a way of putting yourselves one step higher than the rest.
Dec 10th, 2011 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IMO, the matter shouldn't be solved via the ICJ, it would only create more bad feelings, which nobody wants. I think it should be bilateral talks. Between the UK and Argentina. By the way, the people in the Islands happen to be British citizens, let them be the UK representatives.
As I read many times, the people in the Islands would really benefit from our oil infrastructure and ports. I would like to know your opinion(I think there are a few Islanders here), about a deal for ten years of suddenly taking away all the restrictions we impose on you right now, cooperating in the oil and fish business. Suppose on fish you keep what you are getting(but you allow our patrols and we also give ships a license), and on oil we do 50/50 of the benefits.
Also, prices of many stuff will go down for you as you can buy them here. For example here in Tierra del Fuego we are starting to fabricate tons of electronics devices.
And Argentines will be allowed to go and settle in the islands freely. So this way, after ten years of cooperation, I think more serious talks between you and us can start. In our eyes, you could very well have Argentine Nationality as well as the British one. You shouldn't think that being quite a particular group with such an identity doesn't make yourselves able to also be part of Argentina. We are a country of many identities.
I mean, you could very well be your own province, with your own goverment, you own resources revenues(obviously the national goverment takes a share but generally Patagonia provinces receive more than they give). Well maybe it's just a dream, but don't tell me it wouldn't be nice if things worked like this.
suddenly taking away all the restrictions we impose on you right now
Dec 10th, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sound like blackmail to me,
just a thought
juanito Stnic....Sos? o te haces?
Dec 11th, 2011 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keep rolling that stuff Juan...dream on..as if the Falkland islanders would suddenly want to be Taxed by Kretina & mafia. We can't even manage our own country, let alone another island....dream on. And what are you proposing ...that the British citizens should suddenly bow down to the AFIP mafia?
Briton is right, you're just threatening those people like as if you were demanding protection $$$ from them. Grow up! Let them decide for themselves. We already have too much division between las provincias. Que peloti que sos.
Just cause I cause my opinion differs to yours it doesn't make me any less an Argentino.
@38 No, it's not blackmail. Personally, I think that kind of pressure it's not the way to go. That the islands are ours no doubt, but other paths can be followed.
Dec 11th, 2011 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I kind of understand a bit more than other Argentines the situation of living in an Island and dealing with shortages, higher prices and lack of interest from the continent(I'm from Ushuaia). So I think it's not good on our side to make more difficult an already hard situation.
@Ricardo. Dos cosas te dejo en claro pichon. A mi no me bardeas viejo, que te quede claro. Y si no sabes usar bien el ingles ni mosquies en paginas asi, te lo tengo que escribir en español para que lo entendas?
As I said, the British citizens won't be taxed by the Argentine government. They would keep the fishing revenues and SHARE with our government the oil revenues as they would be supposed to use our infrastructure. And this is just for cooperation and showing that good relations between them and the continent are possible and profitable.
Besides, only after this “experiment” of good relations any serious talk about what to do with soverignity can be held. But talks are long shot from having staff done. During this experiment, they will keep governing themselves and managing the island(with the observation of our government). No say if nothing's wrong.
Now to the part that you started with real bullshit. What division between the provinces are you talking? Where are you living? That some provinces discuss and have differences between them is normal. We live under federalism you know. Provinces are supposed to have a say(that why we have senadores) and that say not neccesarely is the same in all of them. Jajaja, division entre las provincias, que tipo. Just in case, Rosas is not governing us.
40 JuanStanic (#) 'I'm from Ushuaia'
Dec 11th, 2011 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0In that case you should know that your town was founded by missionaries who came over from the Falklands (there are no Malvinas).
So, in reality, your town and that end of Argentina belongs to Britain.
The Falklands will never belong to Argentina while the Falklanders want to remain British.
AND WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT TO BE ARGENTINIAN BY CHOICE?
@40JuanStanic,
Dec 11th, 2011 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You whole attitude is wrong, señor.
“That the lslands are ours no doubt”- well the lslands are NOT yours, l can assure you.
And you admit there are restrictions?
We don't need you & we don't want you & we certainly do NOT want to become Argentines.
Clear?
Isolde, I'm so ashamed & embarrassed to admit that there are Argentines like Juan Stanic...they will deny & argue till they turn blue in the face. A lot of these trolls are 'Ciber Ks' (Pro K Gov paid posters). I too remember going to school here & having the teachers point to this map called 'Malvinas'. It took me a while but one day I realized that people have a right to self determination & that Governments don't have a right to impose on them.
Dec 11th, 2011 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 040 JuanStanic
Dec 11th, 2011 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In plain English,
YOU do not [threaten][abuse][insult][intimidate][blockade][tell abhorrent lies]
Then say, lets be friends,
With friends like that,
The Falklands definitely don’t need enemies,
Savvy .
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Thank you, Ricardo.
Dec 12th, 2011 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0lt's always a pleasure to speak to Argentines that do not beat the malvinista drum.
l hope that one day we can become good neighbours as l would like to visit Argentina.
@41 Inform yourself before bringing fake facts. On one side it seems you don't know the basics about Ushuaia. The Anglican mission was at the other side of Ushuaia Bay. It wasn't until Priedabuena foundation that the North side of the bay, the core of the city, was settled. And it wasn't before 1894 before proper planning of the city started.
Dec 13th, 2011 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Second to that, your patetic “AND WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT TO BE ARGENTINIAN BY CHOICE?”. The first ones to come to mind are the British at the Anglican mission in Ushuaia. Then, some more million europeans that came down here. Those were the ones who built the Argentine way of being, and among them were many British and Irishmen.
And for god's sake I'm against the blockade and this goverment, I said it before. It's unconstructive.
@42 You can not censor nor prohibit my beliefs as much as I hadn't done that to you. It's from guys like you that the conflict keeps going on. It so easy to repeat like a child “The islands are not yours”, instead of discussing it. If your argument is so solid, so true than anyone with some use of his mind can understand it and say “You're right”, discuss it with a Brazilian, with a Chilean or with a Mexican and tell me their answer.
@43. You're a shame for any Argentinean. You are not an Argentinean for asking for the Malvinas. It doesn't make you a better Argentinean to call the British pirates for taking the Islands when there were Argentines there. What it does make you a disgusting Argentinean is to let people like this speak as they do of your country and to say “AND WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT TO BE ARGENTINIAN BY CHOICE?” Tell me Ricardo, are you ashamed of being Argentinean? Do you reject your roots? Because I was asked right know that if I lost my Argentinean nationality would I like to get it back or get the British one, or the French or the American, I won't doubt for a second that the answer is the first one.
Dear o dear Juan...do you always get this emotional? ...please take a deep breath & calm down...also I think you may need to get your blood pressure checked.
Dec 13th, 2011 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now, back to the topic....just cause someone disagrees with your dogmatic views it doesn't necessarily mean they are wrong, or that they are the enemy, or that they are 'Evil Pirates' :-) Maybe we can all learn something from each other here in a positive way..the Falkland Islanders & the British people deserve to be respected whether you agree with them or not.
All your ranting & raving is only going to make more enemies... your style is very condescending & childish. No one likes tantrums....Those of us Argentinians who have traveled to other lands have learned that in order to achieve a positive outcome, you need to respect & appreciate other peoples views, the British & the Falkland Islanders are not our enemies...but with your behavior you are making enemies.
What school do you go to? Don't they teach you this in your school?
I love my country...but it doesn't make me want to agree with everything that's been done here...our Governments pathetic blunders & have sent us to war totally unprepared...we sent shoeless conscripts to fight a superior professional British force...what fathers would do that to their sons?
Why do you believe everything our Government feeds us? Can't you see that if they miscalculated so badly in the past that they are likely to do it again? What makes you think our current leaders are any different?
These islands & the people there are going to be used as a political tool of mass distraction again... take a break, go outside & get some fresh air, cool off...the sun is still shining...we don't need to go into another dark time again.
@46JuanStanic,
Dec 13th, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why should we discuss the sovereignty of our land with you or anyone else?
There is nothing to negotiate.
Are you willing to discuss the sovereignty of your country?
lf not, why not? You want us to do it.
Listen to your countryman & educate yourself.
@48 lsolde
Dec 13th, 2011 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First the land is not yours. If your country so much wanted the lands, you would have bothered to at least declare war to the government of Buenos Aires that was in charge of the Islands at the time. The reason why Buenos Aires was in charge were mainly 4: 1)They were by treaty in charge of the foreign relations in the Confederacy. 2)They had the only harbor in the Confederacy. 3) As the Patagonian borders hadn't been fixed nor discussed, following the Intendencia de Buenos Aires ones gives the province of Buenos Aires control over all of Patagonia. 4) They sent Vernet.
Really, take a moment and rethink what you say. I never asked you to negotiate. You are always coming with your story of self determination, the land is yours and such. And you believe it to be your outstanding truth, unbeatable. If the reasons why the land is yours are so clear, what is your problem in making others(not neccesarely an Argentine) to understand it. I have a few Brazilian and Chilean friends, living in their own countries not down here, who think you are wrong. I took the chance and showed them your reasons. One said you were plain wrong, that your whole concept of ownership was built over stealing lands. Other said that he understood your right to self-determination and all, but that if you didn't want to discuss the thing is because you're either know your facts are wrong or you know the outcome may not like you at all.
After all, what's the worst that press can make to a place where nothing else happens and they earn so much from tourism?
I tell you it matters. Before the war, not even your motherland remembered you. And I don't say it as an attack or something like that. I say, cause I've been born also in an Island and I know what are the effects of suddenly become know by many more people. I have my own small hotel, and as an example, this years volcanic fallout give us enough press to predict as much as 50% more Brazilians coming in winter. Press matters.
Very nice Juan, but l am not wrong.
Dec 14th, 2011 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0This IS our land & we did not “steal” it. lt has never belonged to Argentina & does not now. lt is our land & l do not care one jot what Argentina says. Argentina's claims are based on outright lies.
You are wrong when you say that Buenos Aires was in charge.
Britain owned these lslands well before Argentina was even a country.
As l once stated, the mistake that we made was being too slow to return.
But that doesn't matter.
You say that you have a hotel.
Well, what if you closed it up & went for a holiday to Croatia for six months.
You did not sell it, merely locked up & left.
When you returned somebody had moved in & “claimed” it as theirs.
You would, of course remove them as we removed the Argentine garrison when we returned to the Falklands in 1833.
Wouldn't you? Well bradko?
You can always tell the indoctrinated, by their indoctrinated answers
Dec 14th, 2011 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Envy and jealousy, that’s all it is,
Actually im surprised the argentine government has not protested to the British government, for restoring HMS VICTORY, as a provocative act.
Another victorious thought .
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