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Uruguayan Foreign Minister says Falklands are an “inadmissible colonial enclave”
Uruguay considers that British control over the Falklands or Malvinas Islands constitutes a “colonial enclave”, which is “inadmissible”, and that is why Falklands’ flagged vessels are barred from entering Uruguayan ports, said on Friday Foreign Affairs minister Luis Almagro. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThanks, Uruguay!! Nice supports!!
Dec 17th, 2011 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor UK, they almost have been kicked out of the EU, they almost have been kicked out of South America. Their almost sterile land in the UK can't produce what they need, so they need to steal from other countries to survive. Their usual threats don't work anymore.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwi - what support? Uruguay have already said that any internationaly flagged vessel is free to use their ports and leave for a destination of its choosing (including the Falklands). Regarding FI flagged vessels this appears to have come about because Uruguay was continuing to allow them into port despite saying to you they wouldn't. You will find that they carry on saying one thing and doing another.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Xbox - kicked out? You wil find we stuck two fingers up to the Eurzone and considering they have asked us to come back to the table to help sort this failing Eurozone pact out then it looks like we are in a stronger position to push our demands. South America, well a second rig is over 1/3 of the way to the FI and I argue this is sufficient evidence that nothing significant has changed. If you want to get rid of us then you have two options, Legal or Military. Which one will it be?
Doesn't Argentina have a 'colonial enclave' in Uruguayan territory?
Dec 17th, 2011 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0And doesn't Suriname exist in South America?
And are not many Carribean islands fully linked to non-Carribean nations?
And do not South American nations lay claim to territories on another continent?
And is not Foreign Affairs minister Luis Almagro himself the product of colonial colonisers?
M'thinks the man doth protest - for political reasons - too much.
@ 4 show us your capoeira, come on! :)
Dec 17th, 2011 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0capoeira, is that how Argentina's next weapon now that trying to scare us with Tango dancing has failed?
Dec 17th, 2011 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 6 We do love capoeira, it's like dancing and you become flexible as f*ck, try it if you can :)
Dec 17th, 2011 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those Salvadorian capoeira performers are too young and too good for me.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Though I keep fit in the gym, tai chi is my prefered option - but as a total exercise program rather than as a martial art.
Flexible? Might recommend the wife takes it up ;-) I prefer rugby and muddy ten mile runs on a snowy morning.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do feel sorry for the Uruguayans, being forced to be Argentina's bum boys on this issue. Don't feel too bad though Luis, there's plenty of other countries who'll let us spend our money on their shipping services.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe Argentina'll reimburse you for all that lost revenue eh?
@ 9 nice, and what does she look like? like this? I think she looks pretty nice :P
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://latrola.net/blok/wp-content/gallery/mono-nariz/thumbs/thumbs_1222924789_07.jpg
2 xbarilox---- What a Muppet you are please keep up with World affairs, I know it must be hard for people like you to do that but I think you will find, no belay that, I know you will find that instead of being on the verge of being kicked out of the EU, today we are now in a strong position as quite a few country's including Germany have come out in support of us and it is France that is now being isolated.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for being kicked out of South America, who is going to do that? Your tin pot little country or the other little tin pot country's that suck up to your little tin pot country then stab you in the back when the going gets tough.
We are today stronger in Europe and in Falklands than ever before and you will find that it is the UK that is now pulling the strings in Europe. That is why last week that little weasel from France had to be physically restrained from attacking our Prime Minister when he told him and his German Mistress that fat dumpy one to get lost, the French weasel suddenly found that he was finished and it was us and not the French and Germans running things. You can see the smug smile on our Prime minister face as he stands behind the little French weasel in the photo shoot at the end of the meeting. One thing we are good at is kicking little weasels arses when we need to, well you do not need to tell you that do I as we kicked someone else's arse thirty years ago did not we. So in the future please keep up as when you don't you make yourself look an arse.
l might have to take Uruguay off my Christmas list, although l do feel a bit sorry for them for even sharing a border with Argentina.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Xbox - didn't click on the link but brunette who speaks three languages and with a PhD in literature. As we both like running then we plan to run the Stanley marathon in a few years time. Should be able to use the spare change from RKH profits to fund a stay of about a week?
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Re: Geoffward2 @ 4,
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“And doesn't Suriname exist in South America?”
Sorry, the country I meant to refer to was, of course, French Guyana - a full Department of France (Similar to Hawaii (a distant full State of the USA), or carribean Puerto Rico (US citizens).
It would be a pity to have to incorporate TFI into the UK as a full County, simply to address the 'colonial' issue and defend the integrity of the TFI from predatory acts from the mainland.
(4) Geoff….., Young lad…….
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You anger is taking control over your brains………., and it shows.
You ask:
Doesn't Argentina have a 'colonial enclave' in Uruguayan territory?
I say:
NO……
But…..If you are referring to the Martin Garcia Island, the correct answer is:
Argentina has a “bilateral treaty agreed exclave” in Uruguayan waters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Mart%C3%ADn_Garc%C3%ADa
You ask:
”And doesn't Suriname exist in South America?”
I say:
YES………
But….? What has the sweet little “Republic of Suriname” got to do with anything?
You surely meant “ La Guyane Française”……….. didn’t you?
A entirely different Country dear fellow……
I ”Think” I’ll stop here…….
Enough “Anglo Geographical Wisdom” for one day….
I can clearly see now where the Americans got theirs from…
Chuckle chuckle®
(10) WestisBest… My dear Kelper….
You say:
”…..there's plenty of other countries who'll let us spend our money on their shipping services.”
I say:
Plenty of other Countries, you say……?
More “Anglo Geographical Wisdom” from another Brit……!
As far as I can see on the map; there is only Chile, Uruguay and Brazil…….
As you surely know, we are lobbying hard on those three above mentioned Countries….
But maybe you could strike a deal with “La Guyane Française”…. They are the closest “Colony” to you…. Just 8500 km….
Chuckle chuckle®
** 13 isol
Dec 17th, 2011 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Last year- i had made Brit's fortune look . she knew they will expelled from Europe / said that Brits will be expelled from ( ???) respectively.
16 Think
Dec 17th, 2011 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is completely pointless. Any FI vessels (all 4 of them) could be reflagged as British, and all your lobbying isn't going to close SA to British vessels.
Meanwhile you've forced the Urugauyans to make themselves look like pansies and given Falkland Islanders another reason to 'Think' you're completely vile, although I think we knew this already.
Never mind, I think a floating dry dock will be near the top of the shopping list when we have a bit more cash. We might even be able to buy a surplus one from Uruguay. There'll be plenty of well paid jobs for our Uruguayan friends as well. Happy days.
(18) Monty96
Dec 17th, 2011 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”Any FI vessels (all 4 of them) could be reflagged as British……….”
I say:
1) Yesterday's Uruguayan measure will immediately affect the 18 big ships from the two Spanish companies, Marín and Cangas, that sail under the illegal Malvinas convenience flag. Reflagging will be their only option but, as everything bureaucratic, it takes time and money…….............................. Lots of time and money.
2) A swift shift to Brazilian ports is NOT possible for them because Brazil lacks the necessary EU sanitary certifications for trans-boarding fishing produce to the EU. The obtainment of such certifications takes time and money…….............................................. Lots of time and money.
3) This measure is just one of the first steps in our “long haul” strategy. As you well know, our objective is to stop any vessel from any nationality, be it touristic, commercial, fishing or oil industry related, to utilize Latin-American ports and services to assist you in the continued illegally occupation of Malvinas.
This objective has moved much closer since yesterday………..
You Kelpers better use that “Contingency Fund” of yours to build that pharaonic Deep Sea Harbour you keep talking about……
If we are consistent with our position that the Malvinas constitute the only remaining European colonial enclave in Latin America, we definitively must have a position
Dec 17th, 2011 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0?
A Russian Soyuz rocket has launched from French Guiana
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16229567
@ Think
Yes Martin Garcia, cunningly exchanged with the worthless Argie sinking Island, Juncal
Argentina has a “bilateral treaty agreed exclave” in Uruguayan waters
But Think, your arguments all hangs on Uruguayc actually doing what is says. As this story indicates Argentina has got the hump as Uruguay has already said one thing and done another. My money is that ships will continue to come and go and you will find that I probably will be right.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Either way as far as oil is concerned i presume you are as happy with the progress as I am :-)
Must be slow news week, as the same story just goes around and around.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing Argentina can do. No great change. A few upset Spanish fisherman maybe. Sounds like an own goal to me :-)
(22) Our resident Malvinas ”British Expert” has spoken…..:
Dec 17th, 2011 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”A few upset Spanish fisherman maybe.” he says………….
I say:
Fisheries amount for more than 50% of Malvinas GDP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Falkland_Islands#Economic_overview
With nearly 80% of all fisheries exports going to Spain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Falkland_Islands#Economic_overview
Redhoyt……….., your understanding of basic Malvinas economics is flabbergasting
“A few upset Spanish fisherman” indeed :-)
Yup - that's all. Tell me, what percentage of fishing licences are sold to the Spanish? How many asian craft are waiting to take up the slack? How does Argentina benefit by upsetting one of its supporters?
Dec 17th, 2011 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And - is this not just a media circus? Lots of headlines while Uruguay argues for its dredged out channel. No dredging, and then what ?
One thing I know, as your resident, British Expert, is that most of the politicians in the south cone are all wind and water. Lots to say followed by so little action.
The proof is in the pudding as we say ... so lets see.
After all, with 178 years of little more than rhetoric from you, I figure that history favours us.
:-)
19
Dec 17th, 2011 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Long haul” strategy indeed.
More like an “eternal sulk”.
(24) Redhoy
Dec 17th, 2011 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Any fishing vessel from any nationality will soon encounter the same difficulties in the South- Atlantic.
It will become very difficult to run a commercial fishing enterprise with Malvinas licenses.
But, of course, the FIG(leaf) has some options… They could reduce the fishing licenses fees, increase the fishing quotas ….. or even let people fish for free:-)
2) We are not upsetting Uruguay or Spain. We are upsetting some Spanish and Uruguayan private interests that collaborate and aid economically on the illegal occupation of the Malvinas Islands.
3) You speak about “Media Circus”; at the same time you fall for that “Media Circus” story about the dredging of some channel?
4) “One thing I know, as your resident, British Expert, is that most of the politicians in the South Cone are all wind and water. Lots to say followed by so little action.” you say………….
Only in the South Cone………….............................….? I ask
5) The proof is in the pudding as we too say ... so let’s see…………..
6) The South American ”Inflection Point” for the current Malvinas Issue was April 2010 when the British Pirate Oil Prospection showed all of us what the UK’s real intentions in the area are.
The rest is just ancient history for amateur historians like Pepper, Pascoe and Lordton :-)
The Falklands should then in this case be granted its own own sovereign state, which will sut up most of these stupid 200 year ago arguments.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This would in effect put them in the same leage as thoughs of other Latin American states.
This is another example of Argentian bulling.
Douchebags!!!!
My but the English are getting very upset with poor little Uruguay when they excercise their sovereign rights.Even the usually urbane Geoffrey has pissed in his cornflakes this morning.Geoffrey shame on you I thought you were more sophisticated.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But gentlemen get used to it with England and Europes continuing decline this little episode is merely the beginning at least recognized by one of the planter officials on the Malvinas
Good job Uruguay!
Dec 17th, 2011 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent example of independence and self determination...
Long live Latinamerica.
Pirats go home!
Yup - that's all. Tell me, what percentage of fishing licences are sold to the Spanish? How many asian craft are waiting to take up the slack? How does Argentina benefit by upsetting one of its supporters?
Dec 17th, 2011 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is obvious,from the anger showed by our “brits experts”,that the actions are problematic.After all,Uruguay,Brazil,Argentina and even Chile want to gain the control onf the S.Atlantic.Uruguay is fishing in Argentine territorials waters,with Argentine permission,and they benefit a lot from the SA.
SA countries are waking up to the fact that they are the first beneficiaries of controlling their resources....
You people,better cool off.Because THERE IS NOTHING an extracontinental power can do!
We SA,have reached the point of wanting to be the masters of our destiny...
uk and others powers are fading theirs presences in SA.
That is the NATURAL LAW!
The unnatural is what uk want to do!!
Actually our Foreign Affairs Minister is wrong in his statement “If we are consistent with our position that the Malvinas constitute the only remaining colony in South America, or ”colonial enclave“ as he puts it.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0French Guiana is, a part of France and in fact a part of the territories of the European Union. The Falklands are a self governing overseas territory - not a ”colony”. French Guiana's head of state is the President of France and it's head of government is the Prime Minister of France.
The only thing that the two have in common is that neither the residents of the Falklands or French Guiana want to change their current status!
What Argentina proposes, would in fact be tantamount to a colonialisation of the current population, with flagrant disregard for their rights of independence and self determination.
The Frente Amplio government have done little for Uruguay, only threatened it's farming base, cowtowed to Argentine demands for financial restrictions on Argentines who want to get their money out of AR. There has been capital flight of $2bn a month from AR since Kristina was re-elected. She is re-igniting the Falklands flame as did the dictatorship in a last ditch attempt to distract the populace.
I hope they are not so easily misled this time.
Shame on you Luis Almagro.
** 30 Malvin
Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you should want some proofs ......!!
There are always options Think.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) That deep-water port is still on the cards, and have you heard about the new freezer center ? Fish will never be free, and they'll keep coming while the resource is available. Not heard of 'food' security' Think? Big issue in the world.
2) Uruguay and Spain need their private interests. Haven't you heard, times is hard. Every country is desperate to keep up its GDP, so yes, you are annoying the country, not just the businesses.
3) So, the channel dredging is not important to Uruguay then ? I didn't know.
4) Quite correct - all politicians are 90% wind and water, everywhere. Which just goes to prove my point !
5) That we shall .... no choice really :-)
6) 1921 – An investigation into the potential for oil exploration in the Islands takes place.
1980 - “ ..It would provide the basis for agreements on oil exploration and fisheries, which would help the Falkland economy, ..”
1981 - May 18th, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office take out an advertisement in the International Herald Tribune threatening legal action against any oil company which attempts to operate in 'disputed waters'.
[gotta love that one :-]
Hardly 2010 Think !!
History and the future - where does one end and the other begin ? Toady ??
Looks like Rockhopper will shortly be paying dividends unlike the Botox Queen's eternal sulk strategy.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And still.............. the Union Jack flies high and proud over these our beautiful and resource rich Falkland Islands.
** 30 Malvin
Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't believe every comment ..maybe he/she lies ...!!
my government is being a puppet of the Argentinians, I feel concern about this. The open-front government in Uruguay is getting into a international crisis.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0O'G #28 “ . . . . Even the usually urbane Geoffrey has pissed in his cornflakes this morning. Geoffrey shame on you I thought you were more sophisticated.”
Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think #16 “Geoff….., Young lad…….Your anger is taking control over your brains………., and it shows.”
I repeat my postings:
Doesn't Argentina have a 'colonial enclave' in Uruguayan territory?
And doesn't French Guyana exist in South America? (#15)
And are not many Carribean islands fully linked to non-Carribean nations?
And do not South American nations lay claim to territories on another continent?
And is not Foreign Affairs minister Luis Almagro himself the product of colonial colonisers?
M'thinks the man doth protest - for political reasons - too much.
It would be a pity to have to incorporate TFI into the UK as a full County, simply to address the 'colonial' issue and defend the integrity of the TFI from predatory acts from the mainland.
There, are we all satisfied with my 'level-headed' posting?
:-)
@29 Good job Uruguay!
Dec 17th, 2011 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent example of independence and self determination...
Don't be such an Argentine prick. “Independence” forced by Argentina. “self determination”? Meaning Argentine determination.
Never mind Uruguay. Just hang on. We understand your forced actions. It will take time for the UK to rebuild its armed forces.
Watch for the next few years and the new British aircraft carriers.
Watch for the next few years and the new British air bases in Chile. The Royal Navy regularly “exercises” and refuels with Chile.
Watch for the new UK-Uruguay mutual defence agreement. Will it be similar to that with Brazil?
Do Brazil, Chile and Uruguay “surround” Argentina?
How long can an immature, ignorant, belligerent, lying country be allowed to continue to exist? Should it be exterminated or become property of the Uruguayan nation. I favour both.
Exterminate the Argentine imperialist colonialists and then turn the territory over to Uruguay.
@38 That´s stupid
Dec 17th, 2011 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0**36 Colonel
Dec 17th, 2011 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just correction !!
Uruguay / government is not puppet of Argentina just it's periphery
these are not the same things....don't worry !!
BUT
Las Malvinas is currently the puppet of UK not it's periphery ..!!
** 39 Malvinas
Dec 17th, 2011 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that's not stupid ..mere hang over ...!!
The Silly argentines are planning there own colonial enclave on the Falklands,
Dec 17th, 2011 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will NEVER happen just keep dreaming and blogging as that will be the closest you will come to Grand Falklands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
Excellent Uruguayan proof of coherence and consistency. It seems that many didnt trust all the commitments agreed by our presidents at all the summits in which Argentina's sivereignty rights are fully supported.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great job Argentina again!!!
@31 fluke
Dec 17th, 2011 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, French Guyana has been an “ integral ”part of France , I still call it a “ colony”, because is thousands of kilometers away on the other side of the Atlantic. That can't be compared to “Ceuta and Melilla” which are across the street from Peninsular Spain, which some idiots call them “ colonies of Spain”.
Did you know that Brazil was claiming a big chunk of French Guyana, and France ceded that chunk to Brazil??
France is in peace with South America now. How many ” territorial disputes do you hear France has around the world? The only one that I know of is Mayote island which the Comorros are claiming. France still has more colonies around the world than the UK.
UK has the problem of Malvinas, Gibraltar, and Chagos Islands.
Chagos Islands look very bad for the reputation of UK.
Don't get me wrong, having colonies is okay, as long as it doesn't involve outright theft. St. Helena, Ascension, Cayman, Bermuda, etc; if they want to remain colonies of UK, is okay.
I say Uk Malvinas get peace with Argentina, hand over Gran Malvina( West Falkland), and Argentina forgets Soledad( East Falkland) and SouthGeorgia and S.Sandwiches.
The Kelpers would still be very rich, not only with East Falkland/Isla Soledad, but UK handing over direct control of S.Georgia/Sandwiches to an East Falkland colonial gov't.
STOP being greedy ! follow the French Guyana example
(37) GeoffWard
Dec 17th, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”There, are we all satisfied with my 'level-headed' posting? :-)”
I say:
No, not at all……
You started your post No. (4) with two enormous blunders…:
First you used the word “Enclave” when you should have used “Exclave”!
Then you confounded the Republic of Suriname wit French Guiana!
On a self-publicized highly educated, antagonistic nutty professor scholar type as you, such colossal gaffes are a clear sign of obfuscation caused, undoubtedly, by a violent rage tantrum or a wife with a real bad headache :-)
In Mr. O’Gara’s very graphic, descriptive and eloquent words; …………. You pissed in your cornflakes this morning.
“ How many ” territorial disputes do you hear France has around the world?”
Dec 17th, 2011 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Europa Island
Banc du Geyser
Glorioso Islands
Mayotte
Tromelin Island
Matthew island
Hunter island
@19 “Reflagging will be their only option but, as everything bureaucratic, it takes time and money…….............................. Lots of time and money.”
Dec 17th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You make this up as you go along don't you?
Reflagging to the UK register would take less than a day and cost UKP124 per ship........
** 44 Andean
Dec 17th, 2011 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your thought systematic is not strategical/logical.....like fluke and
some others have....
French /Holland Guyanas can not be compared against/according British held worthless Malvinas...
Guyanas can not interpretated in colony class,but Malvinas is colony
in technically...
for instance that once Hong Kong was not UK colony...
why
when you have a colony ,you should have avarage population there
connecting by themselves....
more technically
colony term tells interim admins not eternal admins definition....
PLEASE COME TO THE REAL WORLD
France & UK are ordinary medium scaled powers..have no any
initiatives...are used by bigger powers as we saw Iraq,Afghanistan,
Libya... They can't do anything alone...even in their colonies.....!!
more explain
Dec 17th, 2011 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wales/N.Ireland/Scotland are not colony nor the parts of UK
these are just invaded regions becouse each has their own different
ethnical origin peoples....
This is valid for Spain --Basque..Catalan......France-- Corsica.....
some other examples in the world.
The Silly argentines are planning there own colonial enclave on the Falklands,
Dec 17th, 2011 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will NEVER happen just keep dreaming and blogging as that will be the closest you will come to Grand Falklands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
papamosca!!
in other words :
Dec 17th, 2011 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is very dangerous /controversial/comprehensive game ....!!
(47) Ahhhhh…….Frank the Yank….! AkA the simpleton that tried, some time ago, to convince us that navigation on the Magellan Strait was free of charge for all ships and pilotage was not compulsory or necessary…………………….
Dec 17th, 2011 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now he tries to convince us that the little matter of reflagging Spanish fishing vessels flying the Malvinas convenience flag into the UK register is just a day’s matter and costs only UKP124 per ship........
What a simple world he lives in……
I suppose that he can also get the EU fishing permissions and quotas for all those new British ships…..
What a turnip…………
'evening, Think.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Article headline: 'Uruguayan Foreign Minister says Falklands are an “inadmissible colonial enclave”.'
English language is obviously not the forte of the Foreign Minister so - being unchurlish - we let it pass.
'You surely meant “ La Guyane Française”……….. didn’t you?' #16
You probably saw this was corrected before your series of knocking-copy postings.
'enormous blunders' . . . 'colossal gaffes' - you and O'G sure have a taste for the over-statement today!
52 Think
Dec 17th, 2011 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you seriously saying that Spanish or British flagged fishing boats fishing in the South Atlantic need an EU quota? You've lost the plot old chap.
(53)Afternoon Geoff…..
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Uruguayan Foreign Minister has used the proper English words in their proper place….
The Malvinas are a “inadmissible colonial enclave” for us South Americans.
The Malvinas are a “anachronistic colonial exclave” of Britain.
Maybe the following article will help you understand the proper use of both words:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclave_and_exclave
(54) Monty96
Don't play dumb with me.... I know you are year lights more intelligent than Frank the Yank....
Anyone in the Islands knows that EU flagged fishing ships, with all their implicit rules and regulatives, are totally un-commercial in the South-Atlantic.
That’s why the Malvinas convenience flag is so convenient…………….
It allows the fishing companies to disregard any safety standard and exploit their crews to the point of good old slavery.
You know it and we know it………….
“Britain’s fishermen have condemned a European Union deal on fishing which will keep their boats tied up for longer as a ”bitter blow“ to the industry.”
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8963093/Fishermen-angry-at-European-Union-decision-to-reduce-number-of-days-at-sea.html
give them potatoes then.
l see Think & Ogara have crawled out from under their respective rocks.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l don't think that Think likes you, Geoff.(but l do!)
He once accused me of being a “drama queen”, but with his silly observations “enormous blunders” etc, its him who is stirring a storm in a tea cup! Are you getting desperate because of the future oil flow,Think?
Poor Uruguay, they have my sympathy. Can't be easy living next door to would-be empire builders(snigger!).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8963221/Taxpayers-pay-5-million-for-union-placemen.html
Dec 17th, 2011 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a no no no!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8963221/Taxpayers-pay-5-million-for-union-placemen.html
An enclave has to be completely surrounded by the territory of another jurisdiction. Since the Falklands' EEZ borders international waters to the north, east, and south, they are by definition not an enclave.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Uruguay considers that British control over the Malvinas Islands constitutes a “colonial enclave”, which is “inadmissible”
Dec 17th, 2011 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ouuuuch, Brits do you need any vaseline? :-)
Thank you Uruguay!
Dear me no Think, you couldn't be further from the truth. The Merchant Shipping Ordinance 2001 brought into FI law the UK Merchant Shipping Act 1995, so you see we have the same regulations as the UK regarding safety standards and so on.
Dec 17th, 2011 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As anyone who has been a fisheries observer on a Spanish fishing boat would be able to tell you.
Was that a deliberate lie or are you letting your prejudices get the better of you again?
Perhaps you're just hoping to get appointed as ambassador to Washington or somewhere else where your talents will be appreciated.
(61) Monty96
Dec 17th, 2011 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well.......................
Is your Kelper word against the dozens of crewmen from those Malvinas convenience flagged Spanish vessels that every year denounce the appalling working conditions and sue those Spanish/Kelper companies when reaching a civilized Country as Uruguay.
I know whom I believe....
62 Think
Dec 17th, 2011 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You said we had no regulations, I'm telling you that we do.
If you think they aren't being enforced, then give us your references and we'll have a look.
That's assuming that the courts knew who to believe as well.
Morning all - I see Think has rather more time on his hands than usual. Now don't get too excited Think, its just the usual diplomatic too-ing and fro-ing. Of course, Cristina's visit to Chile will be the next thing thrown into the mix.
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The conspiracy theorists will have a field day.
One of the advantages of looking back in time however, is that it becomes obvious how often history repeats itself.
Argentina has been playing these games since 1940. 70 years without success. Well - maybe this year :-)
Or maybe not !
Nice point about the EU rules and regs though - isn't it Argentina's intransigence on applying them that is currently holding up that elusive Mercosur/EU deal ??
48 geo
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0PLEASE COME TO THE REAL WORLD
France & UK are ordinary medium scaled powers,,,,
And Argentina is a very small county state WITHOUT power
[just enough electric for the karaoke talking]
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49 geo2==Wales/N.Ireland/Scotland are not colony nor the parts of UK
Another indoctrinated reply, but as you only understand lies,
[England Scotland Wales and n.ireland, are in fact applying to be the 52 53 54 55 states of America.
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50 Malvinero1, Long Live the Falklands
[now, sadly totally brain dead ]
52, the turnip thinks,
The Spanish, can look after their own bloody ships,,,,,,
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The perceived weakness of the British,
Is the main reason the Argies are taking the piss,
Foot note,
We wont always be weak
And
You wont always take the piss.
British Falklands, full stop.
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@55
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Anyone in the Islands knows that EU flagged fishing ships, with all their implicit rules and regulatives, are totally un-commercial in the South-Atlantic.”
what are conditions like on YOUR South atlantic fishing boats then? Either you're just as bad as you purport us to be or you're full of shit Think...
I know which I believe.
'In Mr. O’Gara’s very graphic, descriptive and eloquent words; …………. You pissed in your cornflakes this morning.' Good old Thicko..... only an RG would piss in their own cornflakes... just as they keep shitting in their own nests....
Dec 18th, 2011 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The expression is in fact ' did someone piss in your cornflakes this morning'
Tell us all again how the Magellan Straits are controlled by Argentina and are shallow and of no commercial signficance ...
Reflagging? Happens all the time.. no big deal I can assure you....
Mind you it would be easier still and also cheaper to go for the Vanuatu register.....
Think- do check facts old boy. All Falkland Flagged Fishing Vessesl with long term licence have to comply with EU regulations aboard the vessel.
Dec 18th, 2011 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interestingly it cost the average Spanish vessel around £200,000 to come “up” to EU standards- yet these vessels were built in an EU state and operated by one before coming to the Islands!!!!!
Our Fishing Industry- like our Oil Industry - operates to a top grade health and safety standard.
I was trying to ignore the little storm in a tea-cup, but then I thought ... how many vessels and of what type are we actually talking about ??
Dec 18th, 2011 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/falklands-storm-in-a-tea-cup/
Anyone know how many we are talking about ?
In addition to a colonial enclave, Malvinas is a territory illegally occupied. This should not be forgotten.
Dec 18th, 2011 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong again Marv - perfectly legally occupied. The only other claimant was Spain - and they seem not to care. THAT should not be forgotten !
Dec 18th, 2011 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0jajaja good joke eh Red, “The only other claimant was Spain” interesting words. Very very interesting ;-))
Dec 18th, 2011 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0And Argentina is a very small county state WITHOUT power
Dec 18th, 2011 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0[just enough electric for the karaoke talking]
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AHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAA!
Another stupidity coming from bankrupt uk.....AHAHAHHAHAHAAH poor deluded islander......
You make me laugh briton...Please go on......
67 Frank, Who told you that, Pastor Ben?
Dec 18th, 2011 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who told me what Parrot boy??
Dec 18th, 2011 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see the fee hasn't changed since the last time I looked.. http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/mcga07-home/shipsandcargoes/mcga-ukshipregister/mcga-ukshipregister-merchantships/mcga-ukshipregister-feesandcosts
What is it about Thicko and making himself look like a dickhead?
@75Frank,
Dec 18th, 2011 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course he looks like a dickhead, Frank, because he is one.
Golly, everyone is up bright and early this morning.
Dec 18th, 2011 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good morning Isolde, do you happen to know how many ships are on the Falklands register? Its news to me that there is a massive fleet of FI flagged Spanish owned boats.
And yes... with a small 'd'
There are 28 Falklands flagged boats altogether (or there were when a particular Exco paper was written a couple of years ago). There are very strict rules governing these boats- they have to be majority owned by FI companies.
Dec 18th, 2011 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Re: Think #55
Dec 18th, 2011 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0An interesting diversion.
”(53)Afternoon Geoff….. The Uruguayan Foreign Minister has used the proper English words in their proper place….The Malvinas are a “inadmissible colonial enclave” for us South Americans.
The Malvinas are a “anachronistic colonial exclave” of Britain.
[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclave_and_exclave]”
Enclaves which are also exclaves:
eg. Argentina
(i) Isla Martín García (34°11′S 58°16′W / 34.183°S 58.267°W / -34.183; -58.267 (Isla Martín García, Argentina in Uruguay)) is surrounded by Uruguayan territorial waters in the Río de la Plata. In addition, the Argentine islands of Apipé (27°30′S 56°54′W / 27.5°S 56.9°W / -27.5; -56.9) and
(ii) Entre Ríos are surrounded by Paraguayan territorial waters in the Paraná River, as are some small islets.
Pene-enclaves/exclaves and inaccessible districts:
Pene-enclaves and pene-exclaves are regions that are enclaves for practical purposes, without meeting the strict definition.
For instance, being contiguous with the main region but not connected by road.
eg. Argentina:
(i) The eastern part of Tierra del Fuego island, which is part of Tierra del Fuego province, is bounded by Chile, the Beagle Channel and the Atlantic Ocean.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_enclaves_and_exclaves]
I think - once you have the ICJ ruling in your favour - you will be able to add your example to the two (above) that the world recognises; if you can redefine enclaves/exclaves to include ofshore islands within AND without EEZs.
But you can't do this in anticipation or through wishful thinking.
Thanks for the fun of the investigation.
Clearly this guy needs to get his facts right “If we are consistent with our position that the Malvinas constitute the only remaining European colonial enclave in Latin America”
Dec 18th, 2011 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0So French Guiana is not a french colony according to him then. Though according to the french and the rest of the world it is. Will they be banning French Guiana flagged vessels too?
** 65 brit
Dec 18th, 2011 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0congratulations !
if you you compare Argentina with Britain,then,means that you are finished...poor UK you see that you are compared with a 400 billion $ country...however you are 2.213.679.156 US $ country.
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i don't guess there will be any more states to US citizenship,reason of it is broke to buy anymore states.
** 65 brit
Dec 18th, 2011 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0BUT
the Russians / some Arabs have a lot of money
don't you concern their probable buying more than football clubs in UK ?
(69) Redhoyt
Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You ask:
”I was trying to ignore the little storm in a tea-cup, but then I thought ... how many vessels and of what type are we actually talking about ?? Anyone know how many we are talking about ?”
I say:
Just keep that stiff upper lip up lad… Anyhow…
We are talking about ~40 Spanish vessels and 1200 crew……:
”Los buques de pesca que faenamos en aguas internacionales del Atlántico SW, así como en aguas de las Islas Malvinas (40 buques con 600 tripulantes españoles y otros 600 de distintas nacionalidades)”
http://www.aetinape.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=236:acoso-a-la-flota-de-malvinas-y-atlantico-sw&catid=36:infogeneral
I was going to stop here. but then I tought………Why don’t these ”Spanish/Kelper”companies protest much more vehemently??
What is sooo good about the Malvinas Convenience Flag??
It can’t only be to exploit poor Peruvians… Can it??
After a bit of surfing I found out that they are already being investigated by the Spanish Tax Authorities + the EU Fisheries Directorate and they have NO interest whatsoever to attract any attention to their shady “Malvinas Tax Haven” arrangements.
But don’t take my word for it…..
DYOR
@83
Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks think Your right NOBODY will take your word for it!!!!
And were the Hell is this malvinese tax haven the place doesn't even exist!
Long Live the Falklands.
Certainly won't - 40 ! Wow ! Still sounds like an own goal to me. After all, annoying the Spanish has been a game we've played for centuries.
Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just be thankful that you're not French :-)
France Finance Minister says that ...
Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0“” being a French is better than British(pardon English !!) ...“”
BUT
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what do i say ...
“” being a Guarani better than English ...“”
@86 You forgot God loves an Englishman !!!!
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore We are perfect in every way!!
Long Live the Falklands.
geo #86
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes, but as Winston Churchill might have said
“Ok, but when I wake up I'll be sober, but when you wake up you'll be still .. . . . . French.”
** 88 p.mao
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUT
you forgot i am atheist....!!
long live balanced humanity
geo,
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pull yourself together, man.
You are falling apart.
Everyone is better than everyone else, you just ask them.
** 89 goofff
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0who is W.Churchill ..??
once i heard that is World War II freeloader !!
**91 isol
of course .....!!
@90
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well maybe we should Buy you a CHUFFTY badge so everyone knows that you don't believe in anything!! and if You don't believe in anything how can You believe in Yourself!
Long Live the Democratic Republic of Grand Falklands.
** 93 p.mao
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i am very happy to hear your comment (93).
i do support all UK parts entering to the Republics like you.....!!
Mr. Almagro: You are slightly confused:
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can a territory situated 400 miles away be a colonial enclave?
Is it not Martin Garcia Island a real colonial enclave instead??
Philippe
Mr. Almagro: You are slightly confused:
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can a territory situated 400 miles away be a colonial enclave?
Is it not Martin Garcia Island a real colonial enclave instead??
Really?BTW,in the future I see an union between Argentina and Uruguay,possibly Paraguay as well.
@ 95 You ignorant isleños keep mentioning Isla Martín García! Ha ha ha ha... you guys coulnd´t be more funny! I´m assuming you´re ignorant and not liers.
Dec 18th, 2011 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 083 Think
Dec 18th, 2011 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, Think, there are not 40 Spanish vessels registered here.
There are 28 or so vessels of all kinds, including the ferry! And they all have to be substantially owned by Falkland Islanders. There are regulations governing shipping here and it is not a flag of convenience. FI companies pay taxes here. I'm not at all surprised that the EU authorities keep their eye on them to make sure they pay taxes somewhere.
Do your own research. The Exco Paper you are looking for is about the cost implications of conducting health inspections on boats.
Still waiting for the details of court cases convicting Falkland Island fishing companies of mistreating fishermen. Or did a man in a pub tell you?
Thanks Monty - I did wonder as the Islands are only a Category 2 Member of the Red Ensign Group !
Dec 18th, 2011 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(98) Monty96
Dec 18th, 2011 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For starts…..:
I never said there were 40 Spanish vessels registered in Malvinas……….
Mr. Redhoyt asked an imprecise question at post no.69:
”….how many vessels and of what type are we actually talking about? Anyone know how many we are talking about?”
I gave him an answer at (83); direct from the horse’s mouth:
”Los buques de pesca que faenamos en aguas internacionales del Atlántico SW, así como en aguas de las Islas Malvinas (40 buques con 600 tripulantes españoles y otros 600 de distintas nacionalidades)”
http://www.aetinape.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=236:acoso-a-la-flota-de-malvinas-y-atlantico-sw&catid=36:infogeneral
Then……:
At post No. (18) you say:
”This is completely pointless. Any FI vessels (all 4 of them) could be reflagged as British……”
A few hours later, at post No. (78) you say:
”There are 28 Falklands flagged boats altogether…….”
I say:
Good girl......; finally telling the truth…............Wasn’t so hard. Was it?
That was a nippy 700% increase of the Malvinas Shipping Fleet in a matter of hours….
To finish:
You know very well that those cases get quickly dealt extra-judiciary by the Spanish/Kelper Companies that fear the advanced Uruguayan Labor Legislation, by which the Fishing vessels get impounded until the resolution of the case.
You don’t even need to go to the pub to hear these stories…. You can read them at home, courtesy of your own Propaganda organ:
http://www.aetinape.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=236:acoso-a-la-flota-de-malvinas-y-atlantico-sw&catid=36:infogeneral
(99) Redhoyt
You are quite a “Chupamedias”, lad...
Still thanking Monty96 after she called your hard work for “Crap”!
Chuckle chuckle®
What a ignorant the Uruguayan Foriegn Minister is.....!!! The only one colonial site in South América is French Guyana.....wich is a Department of the central Fremch political administration. Falklands Islands is an independent British Overeseas Territory......a big difference, such ignorant....And a lot more colonial dependencies are in the Caribean, as well....
Dec 18th, 2011 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW, Chile is proud to offer its ports, airports and shipyards to all nations flagged vessels and airplanes, included the Falklands Islands flag, specially when it means helping to keep the basic food chain for isolated areas, like South Atlantic Islands and Antarctic, or to repair ships that gives service and protection to the civil inhabitants of those areas.
And, of course, we don´t accept pressure from foreign Gvt. to give our back to our friends....
Do you know which was the answer from Piñera to CFK when she offered to cut the airlink between Punta Arenas and Stanley.....??? It was, please Cristinita take one more pill and go to play jokes to another place....and buy some more cheap shoes in New York...
100 Think
Dec 18th, 2011 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's hyperbole, not untruth. When I say you had 3 men and a dog here in 1833, I don't actually know if that's true or not. It could be closer to 10 men and 3 dogs for all I know. It just sounds better the way I tell it.
Likewise when you say the Falklands is an unregulated shipping jurisdiction, a tax haven, a flag of convenience and an abuser of all fishermen, we know that this is just your little joke and not a blatant lie.
You are misunderstanding me- I do appreciate Red's efforts. Anyone who can carry on bandying words with the likes of you about Nootka Sound deserves a medal. I just think it's a bit cruel to give hope to the poor fools who think that a solution can be found in the events of 1833. Most Falkland Islanders don't know anything about it, and most of us don't care. And rightly so.
(102) Monty96
Dec 18th, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hyperboles?
Yeahhh…. right ;-) You must be a Master-hyperbowler then…………….
Besides……….. It’s not only me that calls a spade for a spade and a Tax Haven for a Tax Haven………
Please find below an article from “El Faro de Vigo” a conservative newspaper from Spain that serves the interests of the fishing industry and is often quoted by your own Malvinas News Agency a.k.a. MercoPress:
”Se considera paraíso fiscal a todo aquel territorio en el que no se aplique un impuesto idéntico o análogo al Impuesto sobre la Renta de las Personas Físicas, al Impuesto sobre Sociedades o al Impuesto sobre la Renta de No Residentes. Según los registros de Inversiones Exteriores, los destinos preferidos del capital gallego son Hong Kong, las Islas Caimán, Omán, Panamá, las Antillas Holandesas y, POR ENCIMA DE LOS DEMÁS, MALVINAS (FALKLANDS). EL CASO DE ESTAS ISLAS DEL ATLÁNTICO SUROCCIDENTAL ES PARADIGMATICO PORQUE ACAPARA LA MITAD DE LAS INVERSIONES Y DEMUESTRA LAS CONECCIONES ENTRE LAS COMPAÑÍAS PESQUERAS GALLEGAS Y LOS PARAISOS FISCALES.”
http://www.farodevigo.es/secciones/noticia.jsp?pRef=2008082400_10_252995__Economia-empresas-gallegas-tienen-millones-paises-ventajas-fiscales
Ps:
I fully agree with you about the futility of Redhoyt’s work but……
You didn’t need to be so blunt and call it “Crap”….
After all, the poor lad is on your side….
103 Think
Dec 18th, 2011 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Foreign companies do have to pay tax in the FI and it is not a 'tax haven'. Where do you think the 19m budget surplus came from?
If Spanish companies are claiming to have paid tax in the FI and haven't,it's for the Spanish authorities to get a grip on it.The FI fishing companies pay a fortune in corporation tax to FIG.I fail to see how the Falkland Islands are responsible for what the Spanish companies do.
Sergio Vega
Dec 18th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chilean group ‘Solidarity with Malvinas”
“visited this week the Argentine legation in Santiago to meet Ambassador Ginés González Garcia and express their support for Argentina’s claim over the disputed Malvinas and other South Atlantic islands”
Chilean President Piñera a few days ago:
“The position of the Chilean government is clear and firm: we back and support the right of Argentina, on legal and historic reasons, over the Malvinas and other adjoining islands”
Sergio, You do not represent Punta Arenas nor Chile, you only represent your selfish non existing business.
75 Frank, You don't know Pastor Ben?
You may kneel at the screen and confess...
Think - when can you get it into your head that EU Fisheries has Bugger All (ZERO) to do around the Island? The regulatiuons, quotas,licence fees are set and controlled 100% by our Islands Govt - and always have been.
Dec 18th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As an Associate State of the EU we make sure that the vessels themselves - health and saftey etc - comply to EU standards. That is where the EEC bit ends.
Trawlers do NOT need an full EU compliant and standard built registered port to transfer their catch ashore! Yes certain common sense basic international health standards of course.
Quite a few vessels that fish here ALREADY use Brazillian ports. Not because of politics but because of the antics of a group of ripoff shady uruguayan lawyers and their antics of getting the crews drunk and then getting them to make flimsy allegations against the ship etc! That has affected many vessels fishing form all sort of places!
See you are rabbiting on about the nasty Brits who started Oil Exploration work offshore in 2010 - please name me the UK Govt Department that has uissued and controls such licences? Come on NAMES please - I want FACTS!
And before you parrot on - the Islands Govt is the Islands Govt and has full legal resposibility for such issues and the Islands Govt is NOT the UK Govt . UK is legally answerable to the UN (fact) for proper well run Govt of the Islands - so they offer us advice on Oil related issues of Safety and Environment etc which the ISLANDS Govt discusses and may modify to suit local conditions and then applies.
If you dispute this - then come into print with FACTUAL Evidence - not meaningless rhetoric about implants and pirates and squatters!
Hey 2 private Arg aircraft flew in today - and have now returned to Argentina - please explain HOW WILL ARG AIRPORT CUSTOMS allow them back into Argentina when their logbooks show the Customs Stamp of the Falkland Islands???
Those 40 Spanish ships will be ships with the Spanish flag, not the FI flag.
Dec 18th, 2011 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 75 Ben and Monica? Yes but what was the question......?
Dec 18th, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(106) Islander1
Dec 18th, 2011 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you can infer from my long comments (100) and (103) there is not much sense in discussing here…………..
Let’s just say thay I dispute your whole argumentation on the basis that you are implants, pirates and squatters…………..
Have a nice Sunday
El Think
Magic in MercoP! Some comments were gone and now they are back (100 and 103)
Dec 18th, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0109.... pretty rich coming from a first generation implanted patagonian squatter.
Dec 18th, 2011 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And a pretty crap response from someone who has just had all their arguments ripped to shreds..... again....
Just to identify that Uruguay has been telling Argentina one thing for the past few months and been doing another. The following ship is flagged in the FI and is currently enjoying the hospitality of the Uruguay capital (and has been doing so since the 14/12).
Dec 18th, 2011 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=740352000
I will find a few more and then we can see what happens over the coming year and we will see if my premonition that despite all these verbals the ships will continue to come and go.
Think - Marcos thought better of a bet against the Beef. Can we see the fiber of your fabric?
@112
Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And in case the argies are too scared to check your link,and have their heads up their arses ;-))))
Vessel's Details
Ship Type: Fishing
Length x Breadth: 62 m X 9 m
Speed recorded (Max / Average): 10.4 / 8.5 knots
Flag: Falkland Is [FK]
Call Sign: ZDLF-1
IMO: 0, MMSI: 740352000
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Last Position Received
Area:
Latitude / Longitude: -34.89935˚ / -56.20109˚ (Map)
Currently in Port: MONTEVIDEO
Last Known Port: MONTEVIDEO
Info Received: 0d 0h 0min ago
Think - first you say my work is futile and then refer to 'pirates, squatters and implants' which is what my work is all about. Make your mind up :-)
Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And I'm too thick skinned to worry about odd remarks. After all - she may be right !
As for my 'imprecise question', its an old habit. Never ask a question that only requires a one word answer - you don't learn very much that way.
So we have 28 flagged boats - all with a connection to the Island as per the Category 2 requirements. Which suggests that non of the spanish vessels are Falklands Flagged. Which means that this storm in a tea-cup is just the old perrenial which raises its head evey so often. eg the John Cheek in 2006.
Still pinning your hopes, and arguments, on wind and water Think?
70 Malvinense
Dec 18th, 2011 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In addition, Malvinas is a territory illegally occupied. This should not be forgotten
[quite agree old chap, and the Argies should leave immediately
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] 73 Malvinero1 (#)
And Argentina is a very small county state WITHOUT power
[just enough electric for the karaoke talking]
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AHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAA!
Another stupidity coming from bankrupt uk.....AHAHAHHAHAHAAH poor deluded islander......
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You still have enough power for your key board [eye see]
The UK is not bankrupt
Great Britain is not bank rupt neither is, England,
But Argentina on the other hand is getting rich [is she not]
Soon time for more rowing boats, laugh laugh .
81 geo (#) Dec
** 65 brit
82 geo2 (#)
** 65 brit
[90 geo (#)
BUT
you forgot i am atheist....!!
[poor geo, the only argie to be created by another poor argie]
www.bullshit.com
www.im george and im silly.com
www.argie.lies.com
For a world without Argentina,
Is a peaceful world, in deed ?.
.
Think - typical Argentine- confronted with reality- rush off behind pitates etc? How many generations born in a place before you are not an “implanted”? Guess we just agree to differ in basic start lines.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I also wish you a quiet Sunday evening - before the mad rush of Monday starts in the world.
Hell - and a good Patagonian asado and some smooth vino next week - it is Christmas after all!
Whats so funny, is the big noise they make about this over the last few days when the story rips on Mercopress that the Uruguayan Navy has prevented the Argentine Navy from intercepting a Spanish Flagged vessel leaving Montevideo, and Spain has criticised Argentina for harassing Spanish Fishing Vessels in International Waters.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really couldn't make this shit up, Argentina shoots itself in the foot, yet again!
But Islander - Think has a point.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0After all, Jewett and Mason were pirates,
Vernet, after breaching his British licence in 1829, was a squatter.
And Mestivier's garrison were implanted - although not for very long.
:-)
@96Malvinero1,
Dec 19th, 2011 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0A union of Argentina, Uruguay & Paraguay.
l feel sorry for U & P, being bullied around by A, if that happens.
suppose it would be one way that Paraguay would get their land back that Argentina stole in 1871.
@118Redhoyt,
That was extremely witty(& also happens to be true!).
Let's see sr Think wriggle out of that one.
Think - typical Argentine- confronted with reality- rush off behind pitates etc?
Dec 19th, 2011 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Godwin's law more like Thinks law when he brings up pirates
Funny how the Falklands are “inadmissible” yet none of the South American countries ever seem to object to Guyane.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana
@121 You forgot to mention that the Malvinas were occupied by force and Argentina immediately protested this fact.
Dec 20th, 2011 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's a big difference with your example.
UNASUR members are bound by the UN Charter, including Uruguay, whose actions are in breach of Articles 2 and 74 and the Rome Statute of the ICC
Dec 20th, 2011 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0UN Charter Article 103 applies to UNASUR decisions and Articles 2 and 74 prevail
At the end of the day, Politicians and national Executives can make proclamations, however, international law applies and binds those nations to uphold their international obligations.
Almagaro can provide opinion until he is blue in the face, the fact is his government's Executive must comply with international law. The banning of Falkland Island flagged vessels is contrary to the UN Treaty
It is also petty. I suspect its purpose is to provide Uruguayan lip-service support to Argentine Propaganda as a political bargaining chip for bilateral consumption
Malvinense. The Falklands were never Argentine territory so the protest had zero validity. Anyway, that particular protest was settled in 1849 when Argentina accepted that the Falklands were British territory.
Dec 20th, 2011 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Almagro cannot deny the fact that the democratically elected representatives of the people who he alleges to be subject to an “inadmissible colonial enclave” themselves declare to the UN Committee of 24 they are not but rather that they have achieved their desired measure of self-government and chose free association with Great Britain with the status of British Overseas Territory.
Dec 20th, 2011 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is this not the utmost stupidity? A foreign minister of a supposedly independent
Dec 20th, 2011 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0country supporting a fictional territorial claim of a neighbouring banana republic!
Almagro must be a very, very busy man!
Philippe
#122 - Argentina had no right to protest, not even in 1833 !
Dec 20th, 2011 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0123 Domingo (#) December 20, 2011 - 8:02 a.m. Report abuse
Dec 20th, 2011 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UNASUR members are bound by the Charter of the United Nations, including Uruguay, whose actions are in violation of Articles 2 and 74 and the Rome Statute of the CP
Dear Domingo:
The Falkland Islands are in South America, in the Argentine Sea. The Rome Statute is applicable in Europe. Not applicable in South America. You want to justify the beginning of colonialism and imperialism in South America.
In addition, all international agencies have been issued in this regard. As much as MERCOSUR, UNASUR, CELAC, and United Nations resolutions on decolonization committee and the general resolutions resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49 ), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25) .
Remember this is fundamental. The Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands are in South America. Are not in Europe.
Just read the resolutions of international organizations to realize that jurisdiction are the Falkland Islands.
I recommend reading the following link.
http://observatoriomalvinasunla.blogspot.com/
Thank you.
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Dec 20th, 2011 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul, the Rome Statute if the ICC applies to all signatory states who have ratified it and any non-signatory states the UN Security Council decides it applies to if they are a threat to international peace and security; South American countries are signatories, including Uruguay and Argentina
Dec 20th, 2011 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN Treaty prevails over any other treaties that Argentina makes
Raul, the Rome Statute of the ICC, if it applies to all signatory States that have ratified and non-signatory states of the Security Council decides that applies to whether they are a threat to international peace and security, South American countries are signatories, including Uruguay and Argentina
Dec 20th, 2011 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN treaty prevail over any other treaty that Argentina does
Dear Domingo: With all due respect the Treaty of Rome, has no jurisdiction in Latin America. The Falkland Islands belong to South America. No to Europe. I reiterate that the way you think you are accepting and justifying colonialist and imperialist principles. Europe and England does not own South America. Argentina are exercising their legitimate right to respect its territorial integrity using peaceful coercion, against encroachment or foreign occupation. This is supported by resolutions from multilateral agencies like the United Nations, MERCOSUR, UNASUR and CELAC.
Argentina does not have nuclear bombs for peaceful negotiation. England if, with the threatening military base in Malvinas.
With the attitude of the United Kingdom not to comply with resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12) , 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25) of the General Assembly of the United Nations, England is a threat to global peace and security.
This is demonstrated by the commitment the UK has with humanitarian bombing civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, along with the United States.
United Kingdom and the United States must abandon his seat on the Security Council and be sanctioned by international terrorism and promoting preventive bombing defenseless civilians.
The Rome Statute and the Security Council can not ignore and go against the United Nations Resolutions (2065 and later), or go against the MERCOSUR, UNASUR and CELAC.
Thank you.
Raul, with all due respect it is you are mistaken. I make no reference to the Treaty of Rome. You mistakenly do and confuse it with the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, to which I refer
Dec 21st, 2011 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I completely agree with you: The Treaty of Rome which established the European Economic Community has nothing to do with the South Atlantic
On UN GA resolutions: Argentina itself ignored UN GA Resolution 2065. It abandoned peaceful negotiations and and invaded South Georgia and the Falkland Islands; after 1982 Argentina breached subsequent resolutions inviting further negotiations by unilateral acts. Argentina also ignores UN Charter Articles 73 & 74 and UN GA resolution 1514(XV) which place specific obligations on all nations, including Argentina, to the Falkland Islanders
Your views that the USA and UK should abandon their seats on the UN SC are extreme and unjustified; what you should comprehend is that the USA provides moral leadership in the UN and acts in accordance with the UN Security Council and acts in accordance with Security Council resolutions
You are completely wrong to accuse the USA of indiscriminate bombing of civilians; the opposite is true. The USA try to avoid civilian casualties in all circumstances.
Ultimately the USA is a military Superpower and if it so chose could use hard power to achieve its self-interest without reference to the UN. I think the world is lucky American is a free and peace-loving democracy and seeks to spread these ideals through persuasion and consciously limits its Foreign Policy to soft power only and respects the UN as an institution by its use; America's position as a world leader is no easy role and receives little thanks. It is a heavy burden the American people have carried for decades. Easy to criticize, but hard to do
Raul, modern day South American states are wholly the product of European colonization themselves and the Spanish and Portuguese Empires are the source of colonization in South America
ANY claim you had,
Dec 21st, 2011 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0died when you invaded the falklands,
get use to it,
you cannot talk about something , after you failed to get it by force .
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