MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Mujica “submissive”, “obsequious” with Argentina, claim Uruguayan opposition
Uruguayan opposition called the government of President Jose Mujica “submissive” and “obsequious” with Argentina for having announced it was barring Falkland Islands flagged vessels from the port of Montevideo. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHmmm - people with a little spine .... interesting.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps someone should remind Uruguay that Argentina wouldn't agree to the 1848 Treaty at Lima (which included uti possidetis juris) because General Rosas still had hopes of dragging Uruguay back into a United Argentina. Whether they liked it or not.
Agentina and come to that Brazil, have a history of wanting to swallow up poor little Uruguay.
They may do better by keeping in with some serious world powers :-)
I'm sure a Free Trade and Circulation Agreement between Uruguay and the UK would be something that the UK would look forward to.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0If we're prepared to invest time and money protecting non-British people in Libya from oppression, I'm sure we could side with Uruguay should it find itself being oppressed by Argentina.
After all, Argentina wants to take over everyone else, and despite using terminology like 'brother country' to describe its neighbours, it wants to dominate and control, it has colonial empire building ambitions, and the small countries can be ignored if they get in its way.
Most beneficial indeed.
Great job Argentina, Mercopress interests also seem to be at stake. Interesting that so many headlines are devoted once again to criticize Argentina. Spain has nothing to say unless they think otherwise regarding Gibraltar. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF A GIBRALTAR FLAGGED VESSEL DOCKED AT AN ARGENTINE PORT???
Dec 19th, 2011 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why would they want to visit such a shithole?
Dec 19th, 2011 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0So many headlines? MercoPress is based in Uruguay you idiot.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0And I suspect that Spain will have a lot to say - albeit not via the press.
Interesting to note,that there is no mention to the fact that Argentina,allows Uruguay to fish in Argentine teritorial waters.Many fishermen in Argentina complained about the depletion on our sea of the Uruguayan....
Dec 19th, 2011 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comments on this and related pieces of news in the main Uruguayan national daily 'El Paìs' are running about 80% against this new instance of Argentine bullying. Over the last few years the Argentinian government has engaged in many instances, in a number of fields. Unfortunately the British will not see off the Argentines if they attack Uruguay, which is probably why former Uruguayan president Dr. Vásquez secured US assurances.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting to note,that there is no mention to the fact that Argentina,allows Uruguay to fish in Argentine teritorial waters.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its the least you can do, since you have a island in theirs
@8 Keep coming with the typical british bordening stupidity comments?
Dec 19th, 2011 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Helloooooo! There´s no sovereignty dispute there! Hello! Wake up!
Thank you Uruguay for still supporting FI flagged vessels.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=740352000
@9
Dec 19th, 2011 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who said anything about a dispute? just pointing out a Geographical oddity
5 Redhoyt, You know very welll that Merco is funded from the colonial Gov. in Malvinas, don't be so naive.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 You said the island is on “their” waters... since they don´t dispute it they recognize those wares are not “theirs” but “ours”.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who recognizes the waters around Malvinas are british?
#12 Marcos Alejandro
Dec 19th, 2011 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Impressive post: THREE myths in one sentence: Britain does not fund MercoPress AND is no longer a colonial power AND the Malvinas do no exist! :o)
@13 Islas malvinas, You clearly fail to see how the fact you have an island inside Uruguayan territorial waters, blows apart your claim for the falkland islands based on continental shelf and territorial integrity arguments. As am sure your aware your arguments would also apply to Uruguay if they wanted to claim the island that you have inside their territorial waters. Not only that but it also blows apart your argument based on proximity of the falkland islands too.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or are you saying its one rule for your island in Uruguayan waters and another rule for the falkland islands? As i think you will find you can not have different rules of law based on your own preference just to get what you want.
In spicology they would call the headline in this article a “projection”, where the one accusing the other one on something is in fact projecting its own ambitions and desires.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So... in LatinAmerica we have a long history about being SUBMISSIVE with European colonial and neo-colonial powers, the UK (apart from Spain) can be considered the main participant in this history.
On the other hand, we DO NOT have this tradition that exist in Europe about seeing neighbors as enemies and invading each other. So... how can there be any submission in this case??
At the Mercosur and Unasur the members try to defend from hostile foreign nations, and to be safe we need to stay together...
Where the writer of this article sees submission I see COOPERATION and a COMMON CAUSE. Where the writer of this article finds OBSEQUIOUS attitudes I see the practice of a COMMON POLICY in SouthAmerica.
When there was an attempt to concrete a coup d'etat in Ecuador last year if it weren't for the Unasur and the compromise of the presidents of this region the president there would be already dead or exiled and there would be no democracy in Ecuador now. Where were the main media there? Where were the NorthAmerican or the European ones denouncing what was going on then??
When it comes to defending democracy we are ALONE as SouthAmericans.
Argentina and Uruguay are united on this, and both get great benefits from our Union at Mercosur and UnaSur. In fact we could also say that Uruguay is the one who makes profit the most in this union because it offers services (tourism and financial services for example) while Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay offer basically primary and secondary areas products.
Uruguay has a strong democracy and a great president. All this series of articles in Mercopress do not reflect that. Respect Uruguay's decisions as serious ones, not as an effect of a supposed argentinian pressure.
Falklands? Malvinas? What are you talking about? As far as I know there are some Soputh Atlantic islands whose UN official names are Islas Malvinad-Falklands and Falkland-Malvinas Islands. R U referring to these? cheers
Dec 19th, 2011 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How funny/pathetic Mujica and his government are.......What do the Islands have to do with Uruguay?? NOTHING. Yet this sad, deluded, bitter little man will do anything to comply with Argentina.....Such a shame for the people of Uruguay.....I weep for the horrible mess he has made of a once beautiful country....
Dec 19th, 2011 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As an Uruguayan, I agree with onredelijk that the Mujica administration is pathetic. But there nothing funny about it, very much to the contrary. And the damage this administration is doing is not limited to foreign affairs: education, security, public health and increasing corruption also cause great concern.
Dec 19th, 2011 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor old Uruguay they give everything to argentina and get NOTHING in return, too much of a one way street going on here!!!
Dec 19th, 2011 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
On the other hand, we DO NOT have this tradition that exist in Europe about seeing neighbors as enemies and invading each other. So... how can there be any submission in this case??
Dec 19th, 2011 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0History not your strong point?
The War of the Triple Alliance, often called the Great War, or the Paraguayan War, was fought at a great cost. No other war in South America’s history has ever resulted in as many deaths. Paraguay fought against the allied countries of Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay from 1864 until 1870
The War of the Pacific (Spanish: Guerra del Pacífico) took place in western South America from 1879 through 1883. Chile fought against Bolivia and Peru. Despite cooperation among the three nations in the war against Spain, disputes soon arose over the mineral-rich Peruvian provinces of Tarapaca, Tacna, and Arica, and the Bolivian province of Antofagasta.
The Vatican's Cardinal Antonio Samore, 73, left Buenos Aires for Rome last week to report to Pope John Paul II on “the little that I have done.” Actually, he had done quite a lot. After a fortnight of shuttle diplomacy, Samore had pretty well averted the danger of war between Argentina and Chile.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,920046,00.html#ixzz1h15ShotT
As a former supporter of Mujica, I am embarrassed about his ideological sucking up to his worst enemy, Argentina. His kowtowing to Cristina the argengunt is truly embarrassing to the free nation of UY. Shame on you Mr. Mujica. Did you forget why you spent years a s a prisoner of fascists like the peronists.
Dec 20th, 2011 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mujica has his nose stuck in the butt of a certain Casa Rosada dog. Watch out for the Casa Rosada dog spews out a lot of brown stuff
Dec 20th, 2011 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope the opposition in Uruguay remember how Uruguay was found it; independent; I said that because Mujica looks like he forgot about it, or he is just playing dummy. This 'bend over' position of Uruguay toward the Falklands islands is going to bite them right in theirs butts.
Dec 20th, 2011 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Colonel, unfortunately you're right. And so say growing numbers of Uruguayans.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0How ironic, a declaration intended to hurt the people of the Falklands economically and galvanise the UK to the negotiation table kicking and screaming, seems to have actually done more damage to Uruguay both economically, politically and diplomatically and show it to be little more than a puppet state.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seeing as the vast majority of all Fishing vessels that visit the Falklands are registered under different flags, and can change us such, this declaration will do little to hurt the Falklands economically or even bother them, it will however drive them further from Argentina and become far more self resilient, the up and coming deep water port and the Saint Helena airport will finally put paid to the already limited economic links with South America.
The only way Argentina could realistically force negotiations would be if she and her cohorts can find a way of making the Falklands cost the UK billions of pounds annually without it costing them a penny, luckily with the exception of warfare, such an action does not exist.......so stand by for more mundane and wholly irrelevant decrees and huffing and puffing by Argentina and the ever present sound of Lady Mujca's lips kissing CFK's arse.......
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