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Uruguay bars vessels but will never share a maritime or economic blockade of the Falklands’ people
Uruguayan President Jose Mujica addressing his peers at the Mercosur summit in Montevideo ratified the country’s position barring Falklands’ flagged vessels from Uruguayan ports in active support of Argentina’s sovereignty claim over South Atlantic Islands, which has led to a serious diplomatic controversy with the UK. Read full article
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Dec 20th, 2011 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mujica says that..:
the Malvinas settlers can migrate to Uruguay whenever they want..!!
@1 No he hasn't. How does it feel to be a prat?
Dec 20th, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like the pressure is getting to him. Surely he is aware that the FI flagged vessel Jacqueline is currently in Montevideo and is enjoying his country's hospitality without any hinderance (I thought they were banned).
Dec 20th, 2011 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like he is aware that he has made this a right royal fuck up of this and whatever is said things will carry on as they have before.
“We have repeatedly supported Argentina in the Falklands claim,” he said. “This implies that we consider it a colonial territory in the Americas, therefore we can not recognize the flag”
Dec 20th, 2011 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is very clear. UK should comply with resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and reaffirm the invitation made in resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the United Kingdom). ”To proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on Decolonization United Nations.
Thanks Pepe ... you're a genius. From the interior of Argentina appreciate your solidarity and effort in our struggle.
He can't seem to backpedal fast enough...wonder what CFK will say to the Spanish?
Dec 20th, 2011 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0President Jose Mujica
Dec 20th, 2011 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is either totally confused
Or under a lot of pressure from outside influences, like argentina,
He is totally uncoherent,
And speaks double dutch,
1, barring Falklands’ flagged vessels from Uruguayan ports
And then says
2,
However the Uruguayan government will never share the idea of a maritime of economic blockade of the inhabitants of the Malvinas Islands because this represents a violation of human rights
3, We hold nothing against the UK [but] he explained. “It implies that we consider it a colonial territory in our America, consequently we can’t recognize its flag”.
4, Uruguay allows British flagged vessels to dock and operate in Montevideo as can any other flag recognized by the United Nations
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But we don’t allow English Navy vessels heading for Malvinas to call in Montevideo,
If this is not double Dutch, or anti British of argentine sentiment, then I don’t know what is,
1, is the Falklands recognised by the UN
2, is Uruguayan breaking international law.
3, is she abusing the human rights of the Falklanders.
My only suggestion is that the British, government should get U/N sanctions against all those that are in this conspiracy to deny the Falklands the human rights that they are legally entitled to .
The British government and the Spanish government, should then protect all boats from argentine aggression.
And / or, the British thus should blockade these countries and remove trading with them,
Yes we will both suffer, but they more than us, we will get ours back, =they may lose theirs for good,
[do nothing] and they will think we are weak ,what will it take for the british to act,
[a few deaths perhaps]
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I think Mujica fears for his future indictment at the ICC hence the weasel words to try to ameliorate complicity
Dec 20th, 2011 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Political solidarity is not lawful; UN Treaty and Rome Statute obligations are lawful, Mujica know the difference and so back pedals
Mercosur: You let in Chaves and you are dancing with the devil
Dec 20th, 2011 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think either Argentina or Uruguay has leaders that know what they will say from one minute to the next, no wonder their credit ratings are so bad.
Dec 20th, 2011 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rolly - no good referring to long dead Resolutions. Try to get a new one!
Dec 20th, 2011 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Mujica does seem to be trying to please everyone, and not managing it at all. I wonder if he got anything out of bully-boy Argentina ?
I'll put money on their never being another UNGA resolution about the Falkland Islands without the agreement of both Argentina and the UK.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“But we don’t allow English Navy vessels heading for Malvinas to call in Montevideo and this is because of solidarity with Argentina”, added Mujica.” Genius.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0”The Uruguayan government “will never share” the idea of a maritime or economic blockade of the inhabitants of the Malvinas Islands because “we understand this is not helpful, is in violation of human rights and contrary to creating the necessary conditions for a peaceful negotiations, the only path to find a way out for the historic dispute”. Genius, excellent words.
Thanks Pepe ... you're a genius. From the interior of Argentina appreciate your solidarity and effort in our struggle.
Marv33 - he's says both yes and no - and you are a complete duck ( I hate this keyboard!)
Dec 21st, 2011 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina is now claiming that the Falklands are a global issue - another complete duck !
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/cristina-takes-the-chair-at-mercosur/
just been on the NEWS something about [mercosur] has just agreed to bann all falklands ships,
Dec 21st, 2011 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0upping the anti,
looks like you may have push to far,
Man and I thought I write bad english - say what you want about Argentina public education, but at least all the kids learned TENSE. Of course, they also learn many other things, like how the british screw them out of common patrimony in the south atlantic.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you know anything about the british claim you know it is based on their principle of acquisitive proscription. See, they used to claim on historical basis but then they couldn't defend it against scrutiny. So they do what any good crook does, make an excuse to chuck the old basis and pull something out their bum.
In this case, what they pulled out is a principle that basically says “this territory has been administered by us for so long it might as well belong to us, no matter if we got by legal or illegal means”.
This is what argentina school children learn, because this is what the british say. We don't teach lies, we teach the truth and plain to see to all that the british think argentina's rights could never have been violated because argentina had no rights any british government would be bound to recognize.
You know, kind of like in the US the supreme court not so long ago ruled a black man had no rights a white man would be bound to recognize.
And then they have the bollocks to call us racist!
Oh and then the poor poor islanders are the victims, too!! Why yes mr. argie how dare you not allow our god-given right to treat you like the south american third world wankers that you are!! If we want your islands and your fisheries and your oil, we take it - that's that.
Hmm so all I have to say:
GRANDE PEPE. PLENTY MORE SPACE LEFT TO GO, BUT A GOOD START. RESISTANCE? “JUST MORE CUSHION FOR THE PUSHIN”.
PUNTA ARENAS IS NEXT. ENJOY IT WHILE IT LASTS. ONLY THIEVES WHO TAKE BY FORCE DON'T NEED TO NEGOTIATE - AND BEING SELF-RIGHTEOUS PRICKS COMES AT A PRICE.
Herpes - acquisitive prescription has, at the very least, as much basis in international law as the myth of uti possidetis juris.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0” 2010 - “The UK Government’s position on sovereignty of the Falklands has traditionally been as follows:
The British Government has no doubt about Britain's sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
With the exception of the 2 months of illegal occupation in 1982, the Falklands have been continuously, peacefully and effectively inhabited and administered by Britain since 1833.
Argentina's claim to the Falklands is based on the grounds that, at the time of British repossession of the Islands in 1833, Argentina had sovereignty over them through her inheritance, upon independence, of Spain's possessory title (uti possedetis), through her attempts to settle the Islands between 1826 and 1833, and through the concept of territorial contiguity. However, uti possedetis is not accepted as a general principle of international law. Moreover Spain's title to the Islands was disputed and in 1811 the Spanish settlement was evacuated, leaving the Islands without inhabitants or any form of government. Argentina's subsequent attempts at settlement were sporadic and ineffectual.
As for territorial contiguity, this has never been a determinant for title to islands (otherwise the Canary Islands, for example, might be Moroccan) and should not be used to overrule the right of self-determination.
The Argentine Government has argued that the Falkland Islanders do not enjoy the right of self-determination, on the (false) basis that they replaced an indigenous Argentine population expelled by force. However there was no indigenous or settled population on the Islands until British settlement....”
is south American using good cop bad cop tactics with europids ?? wow if I didn't see it with my own eyes, I would not believe it, I see ou british friends are alrrady here rewriting south America's history for us Latins, bery kind people this brits.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 015
Dec 21st, 2011 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If we want your islands and your fisheries and your oil, we take it - that's that”.
Only problem is that they are our fisheries, our oil and our Islands.
We continue to keep them because they were ours before Argentina was ever invented and have remained ours for years and years and years.
So take that rather obvious chip off your shoulder, teach your offspring some sense and allow the distinct, hardy and courageous Islanders to determine their own future.
All lies and fantasy. It would be one thing if you apply those principles universally to all nations - you don't. Example, forget uti for a minute and consider britain's general position of recognition of countries that were colonies of european powers before. Uti or no uti, britain does give recognition. Certainly to US at very least. So we know britain has legal concept of territorial inheritance of a new nation from a former colonial power, even if britain itself was the former colonial power. This already destroys half your argument; becouse failing to recognize argentina's own territorial inheritance from spain would be arbitrary, since britain recognizes this inheritance elsewhere.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So then the question that remain for you to prove a claim would be the exclusion of a part of the territory, in this case the archipelago. How you intend to prove this rationally is beyond imagination. You have no presence for 40 years before argentina independence. You had title to ONE settlement, egmnont, and you agreed with spain to leave and not erect any new settlements on the island. After you left it was destroyed. Britain always claim right to its settlements, not to the whole archipelago.
So what happen in 1833? Magic? Because even if one considers their previous claim to egmont still valid - how you go from egmont to the whole archipelago??No, what happen was force of arms implied and then used against the gauchos who wouldn't have british rule imposed upon them. If they such murderers why they were found innocent and set free in montevideo? Britain most certainly DID replace the population by force in 1833. If you're a gaucho working for vernet stuck out there in middle of nothing in brutal cold and bunch of guys on a war ship armed to the teeth come and say “this is ours, you can stay and work for us now” what you gonna do huh?
Say no? Fight them unprepared and outmanned and outgunned? The islands were never yours. EGMONT was yours, you left. Mercosur knows this well.
congratulation Pepe ..!
Dec 21st, 2011 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the construction begins..........................................!!
“History is strewn with the remnants of idiots who underestimated British resolve”
Dec 21st, 2011 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure...go and tell it to Ghandi.
History is strewn with the remnants of idiots who underestimated British resolve
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0and you are a prime example
Guys, guys: banning illegally flagged vessels does not clearly amount to the “blockade” you love to denounce. The banning is coherent with Uruguay, Argentina and even UN position: there IS a sovereignty dispute between TWO parties. This is to be solved through negotiations, not altering besides the situation by means of unilateral measures. It's no use crying over spilt milk. GREAT JOB ARGENTINA ONCE AGAIN
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 019 Or Canada perhaps where the loyal population took up arms to defend their own distinct identity outside the USA?
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0You see your problem is that you only want to understand your side of the argument which amounts to what you think a few dead gauchos may have thought 150+ years ago.
Of course it would suit your purposes very well to forget “possessory title” and the views of the Islanders but that ain't how the real world works.
I know you want some of our beautiful succulent Falkland Island fish to go with that big fat ugly chip on your shoulder but really your father should have taught you better the meaning of the word “NO”.
GREAT JOB ARGENTINA ONCE AGAIN
Dec 24th, 2011 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you shot yourself in the foot.
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