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The thuggery of Argentina's Falklands claim
By Ian Dunt @IanDunt<http://twitter.com/iandunt - “The protection of peoples' self-determination to choose their own government is the protection of the weak from the strong” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesPoor Brits, they can't stop crying today. :-)))
Dec 21st, 2011 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I disagree with the first paragraph. Who thinks Argentines in general, never mind their plastic president, are up to 5 years old? Time to melt her down. I don't say it would only take a single Trident missile. Doubtless the cow/pig wouldn't stay still. Never mind. Nothing worth keeping!
Dec 21st, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought it was a damn good article that destroyed any argument the argies had to the islands.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides if we did want to cry, why cant you let us ? you'be been crying about the rocks for nearly a couple hundred years mate LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqBBQ5J9BrA&feature=related
Dec 21st, 2011 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 there there 4 Marcos Alejandro (#), would you like a tissue for those tears ?
Dec 21st, 2011 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#5 Actually I do, I can't stop laughing reading the pissed Brits crying all day like a heavy monsoon rain.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its funny, because your country has been crying and winging for years :') sour grapes mate , sour bloody grapes :D LOL
Dec 21st, 2011 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you guys are so democratic let us have discussions in all of South America about free movement of peoples.Why Mr.Dunt now theres a name have you not adressed this little issue
Dec 21st, 2011 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 We previously tried to give back the islands or come to a conclusion over ownership before you so ruthsly failed to invade the islands. Our only concern was that the islands had the last say, you didnt want that though, because your selfish......
Dec 21st, 2011 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0James Peck is an absolute disgrace and his father would be turning in his grave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Peck
Dec 21st, 2011 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good article as witnessed by the juvenile posts of the usual suspects in the Argie mindset: Marcos Alejandro and the pretend Irishman Ogaga.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says it all really.
James Peck a man with real cojones.Bienvenido a la tierra de Libertad
Dec 21st, 2011 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I say just nuke the bastards and have done with it. Stop pussy footing around lets finish it once and for all. No one will miss the bastards
Dec 21st, 2011 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYPHP36sPjg
Dec 21st, 2011 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lies, la-la-la-la-la-lies! It´s all lies! You´re all lies!
Keep you big mouth shut!
@14 Education must be lacking in Argentina if all you can do is link a video about a statement you made, with no evidence and nothing backing you but your ignorance and stupidity :D
Dec 21st, 2011 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least i have found one thing that i love about you crazy argies, You never fail to make me laugh with your crazy comments and your illogical method of debating :')
13 I thought you were like North Korea now looking for a match to set it off but not able to afford it.You guys even have the same type of government one lunatic child succeeds another.Are all the Windsors completely nuts now they are so inbred
Dec 21st, 2011 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 ♪♫ Only lies ♪♫
Dec 21st, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0can afford to pee away £10 billion pounds foreign aid a year so can be to broke. Our GDP isnt that bad (check) City of London is the top trading centre and genrate billions. Far from broke. But funny nobody actually argues or debates the facts in this article. Why is that? because they are all true. Debate the fact dont post rubbish eg ''brits are crying''
Dec 21st, 2011 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The basic facts are that argentina lost a war and is embarrassed fact. If you want them come and get them.
Errrr, I thought FI flagged vessels were banned from Uruguay ports. Clearly not this one:
Dec 21st, 2011 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=740352000
@19 Enjoy it while it lasts! It´ll be the last time you´ll see your pirat flag flying in the continent.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 017 Islas Malvinas (#) i love this clip, i think you might as well , or maybe not ;) either or, seeing as though we're posting songs and films :D we may see another one of these in a few decades ey ?
Dec 21st, 2011 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0my favourite pirate flag was on HM Sub coming back to port.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 i am so sorry, i forgot to post the link ;) you'll love it.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl8etDqvvmQ
16 O gara (#)
Dec 21st, 2011 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 013 I thought you were like North Korea now looking for a match to set it off but not able to afford it.You guys even have the same type of government one lunatic child succeeds another.Are all the Windsors completely nuts now they are so inbred
8 O gara (#) Dec 21st, 2011 - 07:59 pm
If you guys are so democratic let us have discussions in all of South America about free movement of peoples.Why Mr.Dunt now theres a name have you not adressed this little issue
-------These sentences barely make sense. what do they mean?
Nothing he says makes sense as he is mildly retarded.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Limited resources.
Bullshit, the Rockhopper prospects are returning far better than anticipated results, the much larger prospects east and south are virtually unexplored. Within the whole continental shelf there are likely to be enormous reserves, it might take 20+ years to explore all of it.
I, for one, fart in the general direction of argentina.
Ahh livin stick to the Sun its about all.you can manage.as.for side kick who imagines London has bigger capitalization than New York well retarded is probably a bit weak to describe him.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But guys nobody told me are any of the inbred Windsors in any way sane
The Glamorous President Cristina Fernandez? Give me a break. She is our own Monkeyface, and if the melted all that plastic in her body down, we could run the BsAs metro for a week. There is nothing glamorous about COWS!
Dec 21st, 2011 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0126 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Dec 21st, 2011 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
Dec 21st, 2011 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 085 Gaga....
“Really you should come to Buenos Aires there are many good doctors here,i understand nobody can afford them up north any more.”
Thanks for proving you are not Irishman, but a Daygo blogger pretending to be one :) ......Idiot!
Nice one!
No retard I didn't say it had bigger capitalisation I said it was the largest financial centre.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_centre#Global_Financial_Centres_Index
Most listings agree.
They just don't get it do they, we give more away in Foreign Aid than Argentina has as a Defence Budget (2011 £2.54 Billion), several times over.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If we're so broke, why can we afford to give away £10 Billion a year in Foreign Aid?
By comparison, the cost of maintaining the Defence of the Falkland Islands is insignificant, its the small change you put in the charity cup because you can't be bothered to have it in your pockets on the way home.
Even a simpleton can see that we're not broke, but apparently your average Malvinist has an IQ less than that of a simpleton.
What crazy people, you deserve the shit hole you live in.
26 O gara (#) Dec 21st, 2011 - 10:51 pm
Dec 21st, 2011 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ahh livin stick to the Sun its about all.you can manage.as.for side kick who imagines London has bigger capitalization than New York well retarded is probably a bit weak to describe him.
But guys nobody told me are any of the inbred Windsors in any way sane”
------- I'll say again. What kind of strange language is this? You do know your supposed to write in English don't you?
“Any Latin American with a sense of history should know what that is like. For over 100 years, the US has overthrown democratic left-wing governments in the continent. It has trained genocidal paramilitaries, it has funded tyrannical murderers, it has invaded and privatised and tested chemicals on the people of Latin America. It has watched the region turn into a hotbed of crime and anarchy due to its imposition of social-Darwinist economic policies.” yankeeboy this is for you :) and this is what has changed, this will happen no more. Thank you US and UK.
Dec 21st, 2011 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Any Latin American with a sense of history should know what that is like.” yes we know what that is like and it will happen no more.
Hilarious title. As I said before, either Mercopress has reshuffled its editorial board, or something caused it this desperation.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on People of killers and colonialists... go home!!!! The Shetland Island needs people and militars for Norwerigian Attacks!!
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0You Argies are trying to defend the indefensible,
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you had not illegally invaded an innocent unarmed little island in the first place,
You would not be here now trying to defend your disgusting and immoral actions
Would you .
“Stereotypes of the British as Victorian-era imperialists are as cack-handed and ignorant as jokes about the Germans still being Nazis” well, Nigel Farage and friends still believe that Germans are Nazis :)
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCqg9pVJGlU
@ 35 talking about moral actions, so much for a British theist :)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8971787/Sir-Gus-ODonnell-The-UK-faces-break-up.html
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you hear the cracking???? It is not us who defend the indefensible, it is you. We have been seeking the rightful return of our territories since you have usurped them, and we will continue to seek their return until you give back what you stole or the earth crashes into the sun.
Recuperation is inevitable. The sooner you accept that you must right the wrongs done to your neighbors, the sooner we can both live together in peace and prosperity and mutual respect. In denying dialogue, Britain has brought this upon itself - and more is to come. Every continued intransigence and hubris on their part will carry a price tag; it is the price you will pay and will continue to pay for your self-righteousness of deeming yourselves too high and mighty to sit down for discussions.
And BTW go ahead and send the nuclear sub down here.
Oh, and, a tip: try to avoid getting it stuck in mud this time.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8971787/Sir-Gus-ODonnell-The-UK-faces-break-up.html
I would like to know if there is a good website detailing the history of the Falkland Islands?
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0All we get in Argentina is childish propaganda. I know many of the facts but I would like a well sourced reference to refer my friends to on this.
Our government is insane and their insanity is fed by the mindless nationalists and I am getting increasingly worried that we are heading for a repeat of the the 1970's, a time I remember all too well as I lost family and friends who are still unaccounted for..
sometime you can be so childish, silly boys go and play with your toys,
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0[][And BTW go ahead and send the nuclear sub down here. [][
remarks like that are worthy of a child who play subs in the bath,
in your case a yellow one.
38 Benito (#)
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I would like to know if there is a good website detailing the history of the Falkland Islands?”
Yes Benito, and an English version just for you:
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland.htm
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looking at the British press, this is working out quite well - for us!
The British hate a bully.
Maybe we can offer Uruguay more than Argentina can ?
Thank you Redhoyt
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0british friendship perhaps,
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0without the threats and bullying.
This is a little earlier than I'd planned, but in view of the fuss.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0A preview - http://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/falklands-history.pdf
http://www.agrimoney.com/news/saudis-buy-argentine-farms-on-eve-of-land-curbs--3990.html
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0something is not working the way it should be :)
Very informative!
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here's what the author of this article refers to “much coming and going”:
1771 Treaty: “things shall be restored in the Great Malouine at the port called Egmont...declaring...the engagement... to restore to his British Majesty the possession of the PORT AND FORT called Egmont,
cannot nor ought any wise to affect the question of the prior right of sovereignty of the Malouine islands”
And how did the house view this statement?
Feb. 13 1771: ”n the said declaration the restitution is confined to Port Egmont...the declaration, by which his (Brittanic) Majesty is to obtain possession of Port Egmont, contains a reservation or condition of the question of a claim of prior right of sovereignty in the Catholic King to the whole of Falkland's Islands...No counter-claim has been made on the part of his (Brittanic) Majesty, to the right of sovereignty...”
So...we've established that contemporary British sources (Commons) interpreted the agreement in total harmony with the Spanish view; that Spain had a prior claim on the entire archipelago, that Britain was restored only to the port and fort of Edgmont, and that there was no question by the British of Spain's claim. This was Britain's official position in 1771. 3 years later as they withdraw, they leave a plaque attesting to the complete opposite.
I wonder what other treats I will find!!
The author of that articles name is spelt wrong, his real name is I AM DUMB, and the article reflects the thoughts of a pee wee mind and those in favor of all the nonsense he speaks are just HOOLIGANS who for sure don´t even know in what part of the world the islands are. They just know they are super equipped to attack because of course they are raised pirates, ready to bomb anywhere, in turn Argentina has done away with draft, no soldiers, nope. Argentina just had the bad luck of having a drunken military dictator who thought he was God and washed their heads, but the Argentines are not the warfare type, never invaded anyone (English can´t say the same in this point, because they LOVE warfare). Furthermore, poor HOOLIGANS live in a tiny island which is sinking inch by inch, year by year and need to find a place to settle. Hey Englishmen, why don´t you all hop on a boat and go live in the islands since you LOVE them so much, of course as second class citizens, your Queen doesn´t consider Kelpers purebreds, know it...
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 042 Benito Go ahead and thank Redhoyt for writing that piece of crap website himself :-)
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 01771 - March 11th, Prince Masseran sees Rochford and demands a date for the restoration of the Island to the “Crown of Spain.” Rochford refuses to enter in any discussion.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0March 15th, Lord Rochford sends instructions to the Admiralty; “ ….Your lordships will direct Captain Stott to behave with the greatest prudence and civility towards the Spanish commander and the subjects of his Catholic Majesty, carefully avoiding any thing that might give occasion to disputes or animosity, and strictly restraining the crews of the ships under his command in this respect; but if, at or after the restitution to be made, the Spanish commander should make any protest against his Majesty’s right to Port Egmont, or Falkland’s Islands, it is his Majesty’s pleasure that the commander of his ships should answer the same by a counter-protest, in proper terms, of his Majesty’s right to the whole of the said islands, and against the right of his Catholic Majesty to any part of the same ”.
In Parliament, a legal opinion from the Lord Chancellor, Charles Pratt, Earl Camden, is sought. He responds;
“ The right of sovereignty becomes absolute jure coronae from the moment the restitution takes place. Nor does it seem to me the King's title is abridged or limited; inasmuch as the reservation neither denies the right on one side nor asserts it on the other. The question remains as it stood before the hostility; the King of Spain declaring only that he ought not to be precluded from his former claim by this act of possessory restitution.”
1772 - January 21st, the King, in his speech on the Opening of the 5th Session of the 13th parliament;
“The performance of the engagement of the king of Spain, in the restitution of Port Egmont and Falkland's Island, and the repeated assurances that I have received of the pacific disposition of that court, as well as of other powers, promises to my subjects the continuance of peace ...”
Dig deeper Herpes !
What an old turkey neck.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0She should wear polar necks from now on in.
47. Algarythme
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I take it by your incoherently angry reply that the article moved you then :)
33 Forgetit87
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Hilarious title. As I said before, either Mercopress has reshuffled its editorial board, or something caused it this desperation”
If you had bothered to think, you would have realised from the first paragraph and the reference, that this is a syndicated piece and so nothing to do with MercoPress. It has appeared all over Europe and in North America.
Why do you Argies have to be so stupid?
Oh yes, where there are thugs, there is thuggery!
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
OMITIONS FOR EVERYONE.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If mr dunt thinks that our economic resurgence is mostly illusionary, that shows how little he knows about it, he must have the partial or ignorant information that he reads in the media, beside, if the only one thing that he can say about cristina, is that she's a glamorous, tha expresses how mediocre he's thought is, she is not only a woman who wears expensive clothe, she's one of the few presidents who made front the powerfull corporations which have always conditioned all the governments since 1983, obviuslly she made mistakes too, but no one can deny that she made a lot for the country, but we are still a very unequal society.
When he says that in 1947, the u. k. was going to propose argentina to take the question of malvinas to the hage, that's false, the proposal reffered only to the the dependencies from the islands (south georgia and sandwich), beside he omits also that in 1885 our government proposed the u. k. to take te question of the islands to the arbitration, but it rejected that posibility. He omits too that in 1968 and 1980 the british governments tried to presuade the islands, in order to achieve that the they accept to find a negotiated solution for the conflict.
On the other hand, he omits also that in 1985, the u. k. tried to incorporate references about the right to self determination for the malvinas-falkland cause, but the international comunity voted by a landslide against it, the malvinas-flakland cause has always been considered like a special colonial case.
None resolution asks the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, nor affirms that the sovereignty issue must be resumed only if the islanders wish it, the invocation of the right to self determination by the u. k., is just a hipocrite argument which is used with purpose of avoiding to resume the negotiations.
Finally, ¿do you really think that argentina is strong?, that can't be more rediculous.
New law against terrorism in Argentina approved this morning. Protests and everything that “terrorizes” the people of this country will be an act of terrorism. Nice :) So from this moment on Firmenich is a criminal, a terrorist, I believe that he will be extradited to Argentina and will spend the rest of his days in prison. Am I dreaming? What about La Campora? Aren't they a terrorist act? If CFK is still alive at the end of January she will be in real trouble :) I got my popcorn ready to be eaten and my 3D glasses heehee
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is funny to think that a colonial power can protect the weak from the strong :D
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What else can we find in this world of fantasy?
Were they also protecting the weak from the strong when the UK supported the war “against terrorism” during the last decade?
Was the british government also protecting the weak from the strong while they had to repress demonstrations in the streets of London during the last conflicts in there?
They can only protect the interests of the little group of lazy bankers and petrol keepers.
On the other hand, the Argentinian Government has shown a real care for those we can call “weak”. Argentina has supported the Palestinian position at the UN this year, it has worked intensely to prevent a coup d'etat in Bolivia and Ecuador. Apart from the caring for the weak ones in the Argentinian Society itself.
56 fermin
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From this load of crap, I now know why you are referred to as vermin.
54 axel arg
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason that there are no negotiations is because there is no negotiated settlement that would be acceptable to both sides.
A settlement would have to be agreed by islanders because the consequences of an enforced solution are unthinkable.
What are you planning? Presumably not genocide, so deportations? House arrest? Martial law? Where would your international support be then?
You just haven't thought it through properly. You can't do anything unless we agree to it.
56 fermin
You just keep up the mindless insults. If that's the best you can do we haven't got much to worry about :-)
By piggybacking on the contested properties owned by its former colonial master, the Argentine case shows how superficial that bluster about the 'rule of the powerful' really is.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If las Malvinas was included in spanish rule in south America at the time of Argentina's successful liberation from the colonialist,it was also liberated.Ireland's liberation failed to completely it's objective.The colonialist established a blemish on the unity of the island and created Northern Ireland.Spain did not do that in the case of Argentina.
How can it be piggybacking,it was a fact of the settlement.No separatist negotiations occurred.The whole of the territory transferred to an independent Argentina.The brutish like,consistently,to make their own rules.They occupied the islands after the independence of Argentina.
@ChrissyR
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't matter whether or not this is a syndicated article: that Mercopress is becoming more bilious, that it is publishing more over-the-top articles on the FI theme, is indeniable. And whether Mercopress sometimes chooses to hide behind someone else's name is irrelavent. If you haven't noticed Mercopress's editorial changes, you are either a newcomer speaking out of your ass, or you're the stupid one.
60 Forgetit87
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for those words of encouragement!
How I wished I had your erudite treatment of the English language: but I will continue telling the truth as it is written, not, as I would want it, like you do.
Perhaps, just perhaps, it is your misunderstanding of what is going on at MercoPress that is your problem, and if you do not like it, leave!
:o)
“The Glamorous President Cristina Fernandez? Give me a break. ” (#27, image to this article)
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, she is quite good looking for somebody of her age.
The work done on her face is excellent.
But she really ought to go back to wearing a neck-scarf.
59 Yuleno
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''The brutish like,consistently,to make their own rules.''
Charming; racist insults and stereotyping. Who, exactly, are you trying to impress? Is this what passes for cosmopolitan where you come from?
Chrissy,
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Second time I see you adopting this pretentious, “enigmatic” style when you clearly have nothing intelligent to say and wanna hide it. Just so you know, you're not impressiong anyone. I still suspect you should've worn a helmet more often in your childhood.
:-))
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/22/britain-asleep-over-falkland-islands
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain is asleep over Argentina and the Falklands”
Another example that shows that some in the UK are opening their eyes.
Not bad as an article, the part about hydro-carbons was wide of the mark though!!!
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As it says Nobody likes a Bully (argentina)!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
#63 Monty I don't think it's racist or stereotypical to say that Ian Dunt is brutish and distorts facts.Remember dear friend,brutish is the same singular or plural.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 068 Yuleno
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You might at least have the guts to stand by your own bigotry. 'Their own rules''.... definitely plural.
In your defense of England you are building a monument to your ignorance. Spitting venom against the United States of America won't do you any good. Get another soap box on which to vociferate your odd mixture of Imperialism and Marxism.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0A nice point of view
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077296/Falkland-Islands-Britain-dusts-war-plans-Argentina-turns-heat.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077296/Falkland-Islands-Britain-dusts-war-plans-Argentina-turns-heat.html
at the rate this is going, all future bets will be off, all agreements
And argie bargie claims,
all will end up in the gutter
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I supported Mr. Dunt's assertions throughout this piece until it became an anti-American rant. Talk about the logic of a five-year-old; “we might be bad but the Americans are worse”. Don't hate us, hate them...what an itellectual cop-out.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have we nuked the bastards yet?
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 062 GeoffWard2--- I would not if you see what I mean but I must admit that if she keeps her neck-scarf on and put a bag over her face I might be tempted.
I know I know I can be rather obnoxious bastard at times. All right then all the time.
#73
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0My word, you are a brave (or desperate) man to even think of shagging CFK.
Even thinking about it makes me want to throw up!
You can have my share if you want :o)
MONTY69.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0¿Are you crazy or just drunk?, i can't believe what you are saying, we are talking about negotiations, there won't be any deportation, or genocide or martial law, that's crazy, we are a democratic nation, not a dictatorship.
Cristina said on wendsday that we are not asking the u. k to recognize that the malvinas are argentine, we are just asking it to dialogue with us and find a solution . It's not imposible to find a fair solution for both, as long as you insist on rejecting the negotiations, we will keep on having more problems, i accept the critics that you make to my country respecting the agreements that were signed in the past, which were finally recalled by argentina, surelly my country made mistakes also, but your side never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty issue which is the main problem that we have, both made mistakes, not only argentina, and that must change, or there will be more problems, you dont have to be so smart to realise of it.
75 axel arg
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not crazy, I'm just trying to spell out for you the reality of trying to impose a solution on an unwilling population.
You have two choices here- you either listen to Falkland Islanders and respect their wishes, or you impose something by force. There isn't any other solution.
Your government has always denied the rights of Falkland Islanders to have their wishes respected, and denies Falkland Islanders any right to participate in any negotiations, and has a constitution that predetermines the outcome of any negotiations.
There is, therefore, no basis for negotiation, and it's you that has to change, not us.
Falkland Islanders have always been very willing to talk to Argentina about areas of mutual interest, and you have refused. If we could all get along, then the FI might move towards independence, which is actually the best outcome you can hope for.
Before 2005 we were becoming closer to SA and developing our own links throughout the region, which would in time have lessened our ties with the UK. You stopped all that. Your actions make us more insular, more self- reliant and closer to the UK. You only have yourselves to blame for this.
Monty.You're right,it doesn't ring true.Their are British people who don't do that,but they are not posting here.The ones that post here are consistent in their denial of any wrong-doing.The way they do that,and I'm sure you agree every country has some 'history',they avoid the subject or present their version of the truth.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However you are correct it was racist as it stood.Apologies
This CFK woman is even ranked intellectually below the standards of “General” Peron's “cabareteras.”
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
77 Yuleno
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Accepted.
And I think if you examine my past posts, you'll find that you are mistaken.
77 Yuleno
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, at least we are consistent with our facts and not 'variable' shall we say like a lot of the Argie bloggers.
Consistently selectively wrong is it ChrisR.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 081 Yuleno
Dec 24th, 2011 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can always rely on you Yuleno.
It shows I must be doing something 'right' to consistently get a rise out of the fabled Yuleno.
Let's be serious about that CFK woman:
Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. She wears inexpensive shoes
2. She wears inexpensive scarfs
3. She carries inexpensive and always “empty” Louis Vuitton luggage, donated by golpista colonel Chaves
She has some qualities, after all!
Philippe
Something right are the operative words.What it is evades(you can use this no doubt)me.
Dec 24th, 2011 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MONTY69.
Dec 25th, 2011 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont deny that my contry made mistakes surelly, and i think that the islanders must join the negotiations, but this is evident that you dont want to see that you are not acting correcly neather, like i said in planty of oportunities, none resolution affirms that the solution to the sovereignty conflict must be discussed only if the islanders wish it, and you never accepted to discuss with the purpose of finding a solution for this, which is the main problem, so, dont blame only argentina, beside the u. n. is not telling the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, all the resolutions only call both sides to negotiate a peacefull solution, AND THEY MUST BE RESPECTED BY THE TWO COUNTRIES, so, no one is going to subdue your people, the solution will be the result of the negotiations, and both will have to cede in some aspects of their pretentions, in order to find a fair solution for all the parts, that's all, i really hope you can understand it.
74 ChrisR--- I was rather pissed at the time of writing seeing its Christmas time, haven’t you done, said something when out on the lash that went against the grain next morning :>)
Dec 25th, 2011 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I woke up next morning after writing and it sent shivers down my spine, and then I had to vomit down the toilet. However, I am not sure if it was because it was from the alcohol I had consumed or the utter revolting thought of shagging the Wicked Witch of the South
86 Britishbulldog
Dec 25th, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OH! please, please stop. It wasn't the alcohol. I was quesy enough about the first comment but this is just too much :o)
Axel arg.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have to echo monty 69. There will be no negotiations in the forseable future because we have nothing to say to you that has not already been aired.
Besides, the unprovoked attack in 1982 has completely soured the very idea that we should give you anything, you killed too many of our people to be easily forgiven in such a short time.
Why would we want to reward an aggressor? Even sitting with you at a table would legitimise your claim.
Besides if there are economically useful deposits of oil in the seas around the falklands the UK wants access to it. Our economy needs the money. There is no way we're going to let you even try to talk us into giving the islands away if this is the case, and why should we. We need to grow our economy.
Besides, we may want access to other resources in the area in the future. Before people start squealing about this latter idea, think about this. All nations need access to resources and utilise the territories they have to do this. We are no different to you in this.
Nobody gives away useful land in negotiations for no return (which is what you're offering us) particularly if the other party is continually making threats and actively working to cause you harm.
If Chile threatened you about land in Tierra Del Fuego, your response would be exactly the same as ours.
SHB.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand that you need economic growth, in order to have more progress for your people, that's the same that we want, actually in the whole world people wishes that. But this is evident that you dont understand that beyond our wishes, our postures etc etc, which are all respectable, yours and ours, the resolutions from the u. n. must be respected, and your side is not doing it, i wont deny that surelly my country made mistakes, but at the same time, you never accepted to discuss the sovereignty isue which is the main conflict, the blockades are the result of the rejection of your side, to resume the negotiation like the u. n solicits, so, dont blame only argentina.
As I pointed out in my previous post simply sitting down with you would reward your aggression towards us.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the early 80s we were prepared to negotiate a return of the islands to you.
After the end of the war, when Argentine forces had invaded the islands, the people over here lost interest in doing a deal with you.
You have cost us too much blood and treasure to want to give you anything. You started the war in 1982, your aggression was unprovoked.
You are also the party that has initiated every single crises since then, culmninating in the latest little gem of Argentine charm, a blockade.
You still pose an armed threat to a British civilian population, the same population you have alreday subjected to an armed, fascist occupation.
We are'nt doing that to you. So yes, I do blame Argentina solely for the current state of affairs. As for the UN, it states that talks should occur, but there is no binding timescale. I hope I don't see talks in my lifetime, I would hate to see you be given anything. The only “mistake” we have made is not to roll over and supinely give in, which is all you will really accept.
My country wants good relations with yours, but you keep stabbing us in the back.
PETER PRESTON, THE GUARDIAN, UK: “IT MAKES NO ECONOMIC OR POLITICAL SENSE TO HANG ON TO THE FALKLANDS, BUT NO ONE WILL FACE THE TRUTH”
Dec 27th, 2011 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MORE: www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/14/falklands-economic-crisis-politics-argentina
SHB.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont keep on using the war to reject the negotiations, i will always undertsand the desperation that the islanders felt during the 76 days of the conflict, it's actualy the same desperation that our compatriots felt during 7 years and a half, we suffered it much more than you, beside, my country is judging and sentencing now, all those sons of a bitch who destroyed my country.
On the ether hand, if you have no capacity to see that the so called blockade is the result of the rejection of your side to resume the negotiations, like the u. n solicits, it's lamentable, some day you will have to see it, i recognize the mistakes of my country, but some day you'll have to realise that your side is acting correctly neather, so, dont blame only argentina.
Sorry where are her brains she's sound like an imperial leader, maybe their been subjected to that way of thinking for so long. Britain does not have an empire any more not for over 60 years at least. but we sure did stop the bully's who tried to take the freedom away from the FALKLANDERS by force. I think the point is self rule and under your dictatorship the Falkland Islander would not have a say. And if the island came under Argentina the islanders would go for independence and self rule from you. So what do you not understand no negotiations as they is no argument of the island FULL STOP.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Axel arg.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am glad that the criminals who wrecked your country and implemented a reign of terror in the 70s and 80s are being held to account. I can't imagine what it must be like to live under a regime as foul as your country had to endure.
My only inkling of what it must be like is the description I got from someone I used to work with, from Chile. He had to leave to evade arrest at the hands of the Army. From what he said, I don't think he fancied his chances if they had got their hands on him.
I am sorry, but you can't change my mind, or that of my government. My country has acted witha great deal of restraint in the face of some quite serious and calculated aggression. We cannot let ourselves be pushed into talks by crude bully boy tactics.
The people who live in the Falklands are British. They are our kith and kin. All Argentina wants from talks (as I have already stated) is a complete surrender of the islands. This would result in a form of ethnic cleansing, with the Falklanders either deported or forced to accept your way of life. We can't accept that. It would be a national disgrace. We already have enough to deal with without a new “munich”, handing someones home away to a predatory neighbour.
If we wanted to own an Argentine town of 3000 people and pursued the same tactics against you, you would be outraged (quite rightly).
I have been in Argentina for ten years. Love it. Have some great friends.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But make no mistake it's a psychopathic culture. The majority are simply incapable of internalizing rules, norms, and moral codes - and they have no conscience. Those are the two defining features of psychopathology. (Less than 1% of psychopaths are serial killers or mass murdering dictators.)
You want to talk about insanity meets stupidity, just look at the Art Building where the current President went to University. It looks like a Kindergarten for Crazy Children. It's called Belles Artes with no irony. It is absolutely disgusting. The ugliest building in the city.
The article was good until the last section withthe usual cliches about the USA's role here. Always stated, never proven. First, less than 3% of US GDP comes from ALL of South America. It's a region the US has showed little to no interest in. And, since the writer is English he should use more caution and humility when throwing stones at the US, considering England's historical crimes against the Irish and not just the Irish.
But let's face it, Latin America has been going back and forth between Dictatorship and Anarchy for 500 years. They would f-up a cup of coffee.
Back to Argentina - it is one of the most corrupt countries in the history of countries, ie; the number one victim of Argentine corruption is Argentina. They don't give a damn about each other. So their talk about anyone else is empty. They have inherited centuries of authoritarianism that is now reduced to a pathetic, rock-headed, inflexible egomania.
They are Ego Addicts incapable of honesty.
Even if they were right about the people they routinely criticize, which they aren't, but even if they were - what does that have to do with what anyone can see with their own eyes down here, ie; Dog shit on broken sidewalks, trash on broken streets, spray paint on broken buildings, people driving against the traffic with no shame and corruption literally everywhere?
#95 catagom: 1,000 times bravo for everything you have said and printed in black and white!
Dec 28th, 2011 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I always say that the malvinas fiction-fixation is nothing but a mass psychopathological problem.
Congratulations and recongratulations for your clever analysis!
Philippe
95 catagom—Thanks for confirming that Argentines are psychopaths I have been saying for quite some time that they are. And quite rightly you say that they would F- up a cup of coffee, actually that’s obvious seeing that they have F- up their country many times in the past. A good piss up in a brewery springs to mind as well, they would F-up that as well.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CATAGOM. SHB.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CATAGOM: If you say that you love argentina, you dont show it so much in your comment, actualy ignorant people, who doesn't separate the questions, thinks like you, obviouysly that we negative and positive aspects like all the cultures, but what you forget, is that argentina is not only buenos aires, we have 23 more provinces, i use to travel arround the country and i can see that people are very diferent in those places, and they dont deserve to be considered in the way you did, by an ignorant like you, or by any other, dont be so hipocrite, all the countries have positive and nagative aspects, not only argentina.
SHB: Ufortunatelly, you didn't undertsnad what i told you, what you say is really crazy, i already told it to monty69, i can't believe that you can think those terrible things, no one is going to subdue your people, no one will be deported, ¿can't you understand that we are a democracy?, we are talking about negotiations, not submition, ¿do you know what a negotiated solution is?, please get those thoughts out of your mind, you have no idea about how far from reality you are.
Axel #98,
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems that the many small town across the country also have their 'fiefdoms' and unusually rich political families. They seem to me to be characterised by the same lack of development and poverty of education and infrastructure that catagom (#95) describes above.
It also seems to be the case that when provincial politicians are drawn to the capital to govern the federation of states, they do not bring with them clean politics - as you would indicate, they simply transfer corrupt small-town-politics to the whole country. Here in Brasil we have had the pleasure of 'Maranhao politics' controlling Brasilia.
Work for this to change both in Argentina and in Brasil.
Catagom's friends are not really friends.He mistakes politeness for friendship.He's brutish and quick to form opinions,and also demonstrative,how could he have friends in Argentina or in brutain.He needs to address his colonialist frame of mind if he wants friends.Aren't friends like equals?
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah well perhaps he will stay another 10 years in this terrible place.
GEOFFWARD2.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You and catagom, have the same partial knowledge, which is tipical of the empires, i dont deny the falencies that we have as a society, but only an ignorant who has bad faith can make the analysis of you both. Of course we have corruption and poverty, but no one can deny that the country improved a lot, and there is still so much to do for our people, because we are a very unequal society, and respecting corruption, we have corruption cases not only in the government, but in the society also, anyway i can ignore that when i travel around the country, people are very diferent in those places, and they dont deserve to be considered in the way catagom did.
Axel arg
Dec 29th, 2011 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not being crazy, neither am I far from reality. I realise that today Argentina is a much better place to live in, even if it is not perfect (it's not perfect here either, but it is home!).
I think you must misunderstand what I am writing (I don't have any spanish, so I can't help you out).
From what I understand of the Argentine position is that you want soveriegnty of the Islands. If this happens the Islanders will have to conform to the Argentine way of doing things. They are considered to be illegal interlopers by many people in your country, so I would expect them to get a very rough ride, particularly as they don't want to be under Argentine jurisdiction. Therefor many of them will leave.
Some of your fellow Argentines have made all sort of helpful comments about “resettling”the Falklanders in Patagonia. Unsurprisingly, they are very angry about this.....
My reference to Munich is an analogy, it's an event seared into Britain's memory. We gave in to a aggressor, and an innocent nation paid the price.
Please explain to me how you see negotiations proceeding and what the end result would be in an ideal world. Then give me an honest assessment of what you think would REALLY happen if negotiations were to occur. If possible give me the Argentine official position as backup.
I still must state that for my part I don't want talks to happen. The Islands are British and have been so since before the Argentine colonisation (we still had an active claim when they arrived).
We should never reward aggressors with a rather fabricated claim. Particulalry one nearly 200 years old.
Slagging each other of, won’t achieve nothing,
Dec 29th, 2011 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This may well suit the Argies better, as it absolves their arguments by watering ours down,
The fact is, it does not matter how long they have claimed [what is clearly not theirs]
They had no excuse under the sun, to invade a defenceless, little unarmed island,
Without provocation,
Thus are directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people,
Yet despite this, [and their refusal to apologise] they shill, even to day, without justification, abuse threatened intimidate blockade the islands, then have the Gaul to say, you belong to them,
They want you; they will respect your rights,
This is in effect nothing more than indoctrination and brain washing, to try and turn the islanders against the British, by promising a luxury lifestyle,
Then 5 min, later start up the abuse, telling lies to the world, getting other nations to do her dirty work, than say[its not us, their choice]
// for if they really wanted you lot, they would be treating you like royaly and doing everything they could, to help you,
But alas I think all they want, is the wealth, that lies under and just off your coast,
They will move in hundreds of argentine citizens, so as to out number you, then with a majority, change everything, that you hold dear, then make life totally anti British, so you will leave.
They wont fight, so they use the talking word, on the surface,
Then skulduggery beneath, they will stop at nothing to get them,
[Including dragging themselves to war and bloodshed]
She knows as long as she keeps on pushing, their can only be one likely outcome,
But being obsessed and in denial she thinks we will just crack, and hand them over,
But she keeps forgetting, we are not a 3rd world defenceless nation,
We can and we will fight for them, the decisions she makes, will have severe consequences for all.
Just an interesting thought .
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103# you are such a kind man.I'm sure your advice will be taken up by your comrades and they will stop slagging the other posters.You are good enough at doing that.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW the word is GALL.Gaul is a tribe in Europe,France isn't it.Yes that's still in europe
102# I don't think you know what you are saying in English,do you?Why don't you just say,in english,how you would like to see these reality tv negotiation should go.That would be interesting and it would make your position clearer and ,therefore,you would be understood easier.
,] 104 Yuleno actually Gaul was correct.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gaul [French ]to say, you belong to them
Justa, frenchie joke
They spent centuries claiming us,
Just a thought mmmm
'Argentina and the Falklands; Rocking the boat; Another diplomatic victory for President Fernández'
Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Economist, UK; Dec 31st 2011 | BUENOS AIRES |
http://www.economist.com/comment/1186732
There is also an extensive Comments section of thoughts which will present new perspectives on the Falklands Question.
I recognise one or two posters from Mercopress, but many 'new' people are giving voice on the debate from around the world.
It gives insight into the the amount of support - or otherwise - for the opposing points of view.
104 Yuelno
Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My position is (again) no talks. I would never want to talk to your government so the meeting would never occur.
My position is “the falkland islands are british territory and the falkland islanders wish to remain under the protection of HM government. This will not change unless the islanders wish it to happen.” This is a non-negotiable position.
Why should we even think about talking about handing over 3000 british citizens as well as the territory and natural resources therein to you.
Is that clear enough for you?
HSB.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are very misinformed, firstly you shouldn't take into account people´s opinions, most them have very partial informations, our politicians can say whatever, but what we all must comply, are the resolutions from the decolonization committee, you all know that none resolution asks the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, in the same way that none of them affirms that the sovereignty issue must be discussed only if the islanders wish it, all the resolutions only call both parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a negotiated solution. The word, negotiations, implicates that both parts will have to cede in some aspects of their pretentions, it's obvious that allthough the negotiations are resumed, the islands wont never be only under argentine sovereignty, because that's not what the u. n signalizes, it's not imposible to find fair solution for the three parts, i have said it in all my comments, for the last two years and half that i take in this forum, i recognize the mistakes of my country, and accept the critics that you do to argentina, but at the same timne, you never acepted to discusse about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, in the same way that you deffend the right the right to self determination, we deffend our territorial integrity, and only a judgement from the i. c. j can say if self determination is really applicable or not, ,but if none of the two parts proposes to give that step, it's because none of them is sure that it can win the case, so, what both must do, is to resume the negotiations like the u. n. solicits, it's not imposible to find a fair solution for all the parts, however it's your side the one that rejects to resume the negotiations, you already know what i think about the consecuences of that posture. Respecting the claim that you have even before 1833, you must understand that the history will always be submited to omitions, in my next comment i'll tell you more.
Dear Falkland Islanders beware!
Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is rocking a paper boat!
Philippe
oh, dear Philippe, you are very funny. tell me the truth, you are a kind of creative genius, right?
Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shb -thank you for posting the script.No negoitiations in any circumstances you say.That a very short script.So now you can relax while the world changes around you.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Briton-Gaul or gall,I don't think you are being sincere in your claim.Not to worry, it's only a minor point isn't it.
Geoff-There is not much new on the economist except,probably,the amount of posts.As a poster yourself,you can tell how that differs.I guess that it shows a higher level of interest,understandably.Hope your good.
-Gaul or gall,, it's only a minor point isn't it.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yup, just a minor point,
still soon another year, will come and go, and so will the next decade,
and the falklands will still be british,
and the british, will still be british,
And Argentina will be ?? check mate?
Briton you are getting monotonous
Dec 30th, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 089 years max
The world is changing but you aren't,now hope you do for the new year will soon be here.
next year will be the same as last year,
Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina still crying,
great britian still protecting british teritory.
they say the more desperate the agresser gets, the mistakes they will make,
last chance saloon perhaps
one more go, before tea time
one day, argentina will make one mistake to often .
we hope you have enough plastic to pay interest .
Thanks for the kind words Philippe.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 098 axel arg (#)
Everyone should read this comment to get a good idea of what I am talking about.
It is an excellent demonstration of how your average Argentinian thinks.
They think in abstractions and talk in cliches. In short, they think like children.
And, like children, they are hostile to fact and bereft of reason.
They are incapable of rising above knee-jerk cliches, no matter how discredted or outworn.
Example. He can't refute me so he is reduced to name-calling, as if I need his approval. Pathetic.
He has no idea whether or not I have seen the whole country. In fact, I have been to much of the country and met many ot it’s people. As a consultant I have worked 5 years with ont of their ministries in Capital. 3 years with the Criminal Justice system in the capital of the Provence of BA (La Plata) and 8 years with one of their most important corporations. My experience here is extensive.
Argentina is addicted to conformity. So generalization is appropriate.
Mate, Asado, Football, they are always together, but never united.
The people here have no history of innovation. The school system is the same everywhere, vocational and mediocre.
They are not a dynamic, self-questioning people.
On Argentine society:
The family is the matrix of any society. Here the family is incestuous.
To become an individual capable of self-responsible authority you have to learn how to do two things.
1. Separate thought from feeling.
2. Separate from your family. Or, Separate to Indivuduate, as some psychologists say.
In Argentina these concepts are totally alien to them. They never separate from their families. That’s why they are so incredibly immature and spoiled. This explains their insufferable arrogance (with no content).
They all come from the same “rules” so the majority are selfish, immature, dishonest, and shameless.
And shamelessness is the source of all corruption.
Argentina won't survive the 21st century.
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